Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dear Annick, Eberhart and Mark Thank you very much for your answer. I agree that Jyotish has a lot to offer and I am still learning, reading a number of recommended books about it makes me realise that is gives a profound other view on a chart. However my question about Opiuchus was an experimental one, because this list is called Natures Astrology and we are trying to find out how to blend different froms of astrology. I am not saying that we all should brutally squeeze Ophuichus-interpretations into our zodiac system, but I was curious to know whether there is anyone who would like to add his/her two cents of thoughts about Opiuchus, not about Jyotish (the veda etc Eberhart) because -with respect- that was not my question. So to formulate my question in short: Does anyone here knows something about Opiuchus and what do you think of the theories that I have sent. Kind regards, Anne , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > Dear Anne & Eberhard: > > I agree with most of what Eberhard says here. > > But, I believe also we need to interact with the world and those that would > try and understand how 'Jyotish' or Nature's Astrology, works. > > The article Anne sent about the case for what the Sun, Moon & Planets is > actually very fascinating. > > And Eberhard, I'd also like to say, Jyotish or Vedic Knowledge can only be > true if it reveals more 'truth' about the actual world too. > > Ayurved works because it helps explain the actual 'goings' on in the body, > and mind. > > Meditation is practical because real, life people take advantage of this > knowledge. > > Also, Jyotish has to relate to the real life people, in the World... > > Also, Jyotish has to be open to explaining exactly how it works... > > It's not this system that is only 'symbolic' as many Western Astrologers, > are forced to say. > > This is one of the reasons why I liked the article, though it was not coming > from any profound level of 'truth' as in the Vedic system, still, we all, > need to test out, the Vedic stuff, just as we would anything else. > > What ultimates convinces, regarding 'a lot' of the Vedic, Jyotish, is that > it works! > > One fact kept coming to me day after day, week after week; and that was, > that the Jyotish calculations, and principles,...fits so well, real live > people, who I came into contact with. > > After over 16 years, and thousands and thousands of people's charts, I can > truthfully say, people's Jyotish charts, really seem to fit them.... > > Ultimately each one of us, has to look within, and have that sort of > experience. > > I'm not, saying that we just believe whatever 'Jyotish' has to say. > > Our Western objectivity, can be very helpful at determining what is true or > not for us. > > For example, I've discovered a huge, emmense, aspect of Jyotish is not!, > correct and that is the interpretative, aspect of 'fate' or fatalism. > > This doesn't negate so much of the other, wonderful qualities, and I > believe, actually strengthens Jyotish and makes it better... > > See below,.... > > " Eberhard C. Friedrich " <eberhard.c.friedrich@v...> > > Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:27:49 +0200 > > AW: ophiuchus and scorpio moon weakness > > > Dear Anne, > > of course there is a physical level, that we can observe: There are all > those stars an signs, and the moon, sun and planets are physically moving > through those signs. And we can experience those special qualities of the > singns and build our own science based on both traditional knowledge and > scientific methods. This is, how science and even astrology works today. > > Vedic science is different. It comes from a field of total knowledge, the > Veda, that was realized by enlightened seers, thousands of years ago. This > is a very complete science and it's not based on experience. This is why it > is hard to understand the Veda in our days, cause we are trained to believe > in nothing but scientific facts. But the main key to the Veda is neither our > intellectual understanding nore mere believing - it is by experience on the > level consciousness. This is why Mark keeps on recommending meditation as an > important part of realizing Vedic Astrology, Jyotish, which is a part of > this ancient wisdom of the Veda. > > If you are looking for a more detailed kind of astrology, Jyotish offers a > tremendous depth. For example, there are not only those 12 sings, but it > also provides a system of 27 sings, the Nakshatras. On this level, you can > go very deep into the sublte aspects of a chart. > > This is what I was thinking too. > > Unfortunately there's not a lot of information on the Nakshatra system, but > Philosophically it's very charming.... > > Imagine the 12 constellations are broken up into smaller packages of > 'qualities'... > > For example, Jyotish says there are approximately 2 1/2 natshatras for each > sign... > > Therefore, someone who was born in the very beginning of Aries, would have a > much different, even if subtle, nature then someone born in the middle or at > the end... > > For most practical investigations, however, even the more general, 12 Sign > or Constellation rendition of people's charts, is extremely accurate... > > I have not found one person in all these years, that doesn't truely, fit > their charts.... > > People live these Astrological qualities.... > > These 'qualities' are not only vibrant and make up people's very > Psychologys....but > much of human Physiology can be described in terms of these very basic, 12 > 'body-types'.. > > > > > Let me look at another aspect of Vedic Astrology, which is a science > decribing the mechanics of space and time, which bulid the pysical level of > the universe. On a more sublte level, you can see, that everything in > Jyotish is based on mathematics. There is another aspect of Veda, which > describes the world in mathematical terms. From this point of view you can > realize that everything is made out of numbers and ratio. Each number has > its typical " flavour " and also the ratio between all the numbers. Vedic > Astrology is based on this Vedic Mathematics. After some years of ocupation > with Jyotish, I have realized, that it's as perfect as the universe itself. > The plantes, signs, houses etc. became more and more something like symbols > for different aspects of a whole integrated reality, which expresses itself > in an infinite number of ways. One of these ways are the cycles of the > planets, stars and signs. Anotherone is our pysical body. Each expression > functions according to the same basic cosmic principles and this is the > reason, why Jyotish simply works. > > dear eberhard: ARe you referring to Vedic sanskrit, here? > > Quite an interesting other area...of Vedic knowledge... > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > take care all, > > > Great discussions! > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fence Rider [adsl569619@1...] > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Oktober 2004 13:00 > An: > Betreff: ophiuchus and scorpio moon weakness > > > Dear people, > > I have understood that there is an ignored sign ophiuchus between > scorpio and sagittarius. My moon would be technically in it. > According to the vedic astrology the moon would be weak in scorpio, > where my moon would traditionally be in. However the new sign > opiuchus is related to healing, medicine and intuition. I guess > having a moon in this sign would be positive, because medicine is > also related to cancer, the moon's own sign. I know I am mixing > things up, but I'd like to discuss this with peopel, who are also > open to other forms of astrology, because peopel who are only open > to vedic, would say that opiuchus is not existing (according to the > traditional vedic) > > Please see also: http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html > > Greetings, > > Anne > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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