2-Shad & All, Mark Kincaid....9/28, re. Science & Astrology....?

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Dear Friends/Members: Here's an interesting discussion regarding the relationship between Science and Jyotish/or Astrology.

 

 

enjoy

 

 

Mark

 

 

ps... I find this especially important especially since at 'Nature's Astrology' one of our missions, is to try and encourage a true, modern, science of Astrology....

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shad & All:

 

I believe, actually, that good Jyotish is not that different really....from.......good science.

 

What I mean is when we have our charts, 'read' or study our own Jyotish, we look inside,

and 'feel' if that statement or expression, really fits us...

 

And if it does, we go....'wow, you're right'....

 

In this way, we are like little scientists, testing and validating,....the ideas, principles, rules and expressions of Jyotish or Astrology.

 

The main difference I see, is that Jyotish is much more comprehensive, and contains the knowledge of the mind as well as matter.

 

Though the Western science, of Psychology, has not progressed, nearly as far as Physics, for example...

 

But, Jyotish contains the wisdom of both Psychology, and Physiology.

 

In fact, all branches of science, or areas of life, are contained within Jyotish.

 

The physical body is contained in the lst house,

Mind or psychology is captured in the 4th house...

early life including education is contained within the 5th house,...

health is contained within the 6th house...

 

 

So, profound is this knowingness from Jyotish, that even our dna, or genetics, what diseases willl we be prone to.....

 

all these things are contained within our Jyotish chart....

 

I guess one could do Jyotish in a non-scientific way,.... not objectively,.... not testing out the ideas and opinions....

 

but, we kind of do that anyway...

 

Someone tells us something about our charts, and immediately, we do that,....we look within,

we want to verify the validity or truth......

 

And according to Vedic Science,....it's the true, 'Knower' within, that's the ultimate judge, or evaluator....

 

So, we look within,...and we say....yea,...or nay.....

 

 

Shad also said:

 

 

What is the truth?

 

Science does not accept the existence of the soul, as they only see

the flesh, bones and DNA... approximately every seven years the

scientific theories change and are re-newed.

Jyotish in opposite sees the soul and spiritual and does not occupy

with symptoms, but causes. Jyotish are the eyes of the vedas and

true science, which will never change, as the speculations of so-

called science do.

 

 

You're right science does not accept the existence of the soul,...

but some are beginning to study 'it'...

 

What is the soul?

 

According to many modern thinkers,....consciousness....is the soul...

 

And we are consious...

 

We may not know everything about that 'consciousness'....

but it is real, and true!

 

It does exist....because we 'are'....

 

We experience,...being conscious...

 

What I especially like about Jyotish, is Jyotish has the amazing ability to decipher,.... within that abstract field of consciousness....

 

It is true, we all, are conscious,...but the flavors of 'that' consciousness,...are multi-fold...

 

Some have a gemini, flavor, some...more cancerish,....some Leoish...while some Aquarian....

 

As Karl Jung said: 'Astrology helps us understand the many archetypal forms of the mind.'

 

I believe 'god' him/ahhh...herself...' created this period of modern science, so humans would gain the ability to start verifying truth....

 

Pre-science people argued about everything including whether the World was round or flat!

 

Science then, got invented, came along, so people could test their beliefs...

 

Okay, we believe that the Universe is basically 'astrological'...

 

So, let's prove it to people!

 

First, prove it to ourselves!

 

Then, le'ts help others discover these wonderful truths!

 

 

Jai Guru

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

Founder Starlight Unlimited, a business, promoting Jyotish into all areas of life.

Nature's Astrology: / a ,

looking at the best of Western & Eastern Astrologys, and how we can encourage

a development of a true, modern day Science of Astrology

and new :

kincaidmark/ for those who want more formal

Jyotish.

 

 

 

 

 

" Shad " <waterpowers

 

Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:51:36 -0000

 

Re: 2-Shad & All, > Mark Kincaid....9/26, re. liberation from karma... & sciene of 'karma'

 

 

Dear Mark, and all,

 

modern science rather occupies with symptoms than causes. Sciences

bases on gross sensual perception, which is quiet limited, since our

senses are conditioned.

 

To give you a short example: in school you learned that vapor from

boiling water is lighter than air and due to this rises up. They

came to this conclusion by their sensual perception and logical

thinking. And this is a relative truth, which is wrong.

 

Now here a nice article from NASA and experiments in zero gravity

which shows they were wrong...

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07sep_2.htm

 

Additional we must see that sensual perception is influenced by

karma. Our karmic impressions in our psychological body 'color' our

external sensual perception. Two people can look at the same woman,

one can say she is beautiful and the other one will say she is an

ugly wall-flower.

 

What is the truth?

 

Science does not accept the existence of the soul, as they only see

the flesh, bones and DNA... approximately every seven years the

scientific theories change and are re-newed.

Jyotish in opposite sees the soul and spiritual and does not occupy

with symptoms, but causes. Jyotish are the eyes of the vedas and

true science, which will never change, as the speculations of so-

called science do.

 

Best regards,

Shad

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Shad & All:

>

> What amazes me is that modern science may have discovered 'karma',

for

> atoms,

> " for every action, there's an equal an opposite, re-action... "

>

> is a Physics law, now, but somehow they just haven't been able to

make a

> case for finding this same law in Psychology, or human life.

>

> This is encouraging however, but I think Jyotish can go a long way

at

> helping bringing out this deep principle of 'causality', for other

areas of

> life, too.

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>

> " Shad " <waterpowers>

>

> Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:38:14 -0000

>

> liberation from karma... -> Mark K. - Sep 26, 2004

>

>

> Dear Mark,

>

> Well, life isn't fair, but God is : )

>

> I can guarantee you the teachings of karma are real! And believe

me,

> I am no blind believer. Rather a scientific thinker, even an

> inventor on the field of quantum physics - blind belief would be

> abstract for me.

>

> The Bhagvat Geeta in my eyes is one of the best books, with which

> one can study and understand the law of karma and its interaction

> with the soul. But most important is that you are able to apply and

> realize this knowledge in your life here and now. Realized

knowledge

> about karma is true knowledge.

> We may theoretically and logically understand things, but we really

> know things only when we have tried it and realized it in our very

> lives.

>

> The teachings of the Bhagvat Geeta are no myth, poetry or

whatsoever

> universities and scientists call it – the Geeta is the jewel of

> science!

>

> The Lord promises Arjuna: `o Arjuna, tell everyone that my devotee

> will never fall, he eternally is under my protection.'

> Once we take shelter in the protection of the Lord, He guides our

> lives. No demi-Gods, karma, planets can harm us as we are

protected!

>

> If we honestly worship God, chant His names and try to follow His

> teachings, living our lives according to those, the Lord will

remove

> our karma, which might harm us on our way to self-realization.

>

> In Vedanta and Siddhanta is says: `The soul, our true self, cannot

> be cut by weapons, burned by fire, moisten it with water or dried

by

> wind.'

>

> Krishna on the battlefield spoke to Arjuna, who was afraid to lose

> his relatives, beloved family and friends in the war:

>

> BG 2.12

> na tv evaham jatu nasam

> na tvam neme janadhipah

> na caiva na bhavisyamah

> sarve vayam atah param

>

> 'Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all

these

> kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.'

>

> The Vedas teach us that the law of karma is made out of dualities,

> which will never make us happy and that we should try to free

> ourselves from karma and perform transcendental activities, which

do

> not cause karmic reactions. Acting in akarma. Good karma might

bring

> lot of material luck, but where there is material luck there also

is

> material suffering.

>

> These two are married, such as husband and wife, one cannot

separate

> them. Where there is one of them, you will find the other one.

>

> The true happiness and luck are deep in us. The soul is eternal,

ful

> of knowledge and bliss. We have to free our true self, the soul,

> from karma, than our real nature and happiness will shop up,

without

> any dualities. And no karma, bad karmic planetary positions can

> affect, demigods or demons can hurt or harm us.

>

> So, dear Mark, you are right, if no we act properly, in

> transcendental manner to the benefit to our soul and our God, no

one

> can really hurt us, and we are really free, and will never again

> experience suffering or misfortune. Because God Himself will

protect

> us, as He promises in the Bhagvat Geeta.

>

> Kind regards,

> Shad

>

>

>

> Dear Shad:

>

> I agree with your words very much.

>

> I only want to add one thing.

>

> And that is, if it's true that karma or our consequences are what

> we're

> truely experiencing,

> then, not only does that help us,....

>

> from not blaming others for our situations....

>

>

> If karma is true, and all we experience is due to our own

> actions,... from

> somewhere in the past....

>

> then,.... if karma is true,....then the other side to this

> coin,...is that

> no one stands in our way!

>

> This means that no one can really hurt us, and we are really free

to

> right

> now, beginning a new action, which will be our next futures....

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

>

>