2-Sanjay Sharma, #2 Mark Kincaid, re....[jyotish_tat_sat] Can we accelerate manifestation of guru in our life?

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Mark,

 

(You said)....

 

" Don't take your charts seriously like they're written in stone.

They're just the state of your Physiology at the time of birth. "

 

Are you suggesting that horoscopes are the blue print at the time of

birth and a person can change his fortune totally!

 

I wonder what is the point in reading charts if spirituality can

enable a person to change his course of life ?

 

Please enlighten

 

Regards

 

Sanjay C.

 

 

Dear Friends/ at Natures Astrology....

 

Here is another follow up to this previous discussion regarding improving ourselves through our charts.

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjay:

 

Very good question. My Guru says, " If we could not change the dangers on the horizon, it would rather be better that we not even know. "

 

I'm suggesting that our Charts are not only the blueprints as to what we've come to 'face', or our 'conditionings', or 'fate',...but....our charts are also about our 'Opportunities', our areas of Growth, and even 'transformation'...

 

This idea is very new to Indian Jyotish, because, also, as my Guru suggests, " Indian culture has been in a great loss of Knowledge related to all Vedic Knowledge for many generations. As a result, meditation has become thought to be hard, and the path of enlightenment also very difficult, or only for the renunciates, path of life. "

 

In the West we haven't had the benefits of any real Vedic Wisdom, but...

we believe in growth and transformation.

 

In fact, in the United States, we have a saying..... " Any young person, boy or girl, can grown up to be President! "

 

This is a great belief in the power of transformation, regardless of your background, or humble beginnings...

 

Like that, yes,...I believe there's an entire Universe, of All Possibilities, waiting for each one of us!

 

Our Jyotish charts, are great for helping us understand what and how we came into this life....

 

But, we have the potential to far 'transcend' our Charts...and discover.... the great power and potential of Human life... which is Unbounded, Eternal and Immortal....

 

The Self, after all, is far beyond the boundries, or limitations of any and every personality, or individuality, or of any Jyotish chart...

 

 

Ujala, you also said:

 

I wonder what is the point in reading charts if spirituality can

enable a person to change his course of life ?

 

 

I believe the purpose of Jyotish, is to help us, where we're stuck.

 

For example, I, personally, know many 'meditators' who are on the path, learning and growing in many powerful ways....but....

 

they too can benefit from knowing their charts.

 

Many of these non-Jyotish meditators, though their life is improving tremendously, still...

if they could come to understand and learn some of the lessons of the details of their Jyotish charts....then, their, too, lives would dramatically improve...

 

I'll give you an example...

 

I'd been meditating for many years before I discovered Jyotish.

 

And believe me, I had grown sooooo much both emotionally and in terms of self-confidence.

 

But, when I began to study Jyotish, I discovered that still, one of my weaknesses, was a Moon in the 12th House, with a raja yoga, Sani, while the Sun was in my 11th house, (ie. a very small Moon)....

 

That helped me understand #1) why I had suffered with so much loneliness, and sadness, and shyness in my life...

 

And though meditation had improved that tremendously, when I started studying Jyotish, myself, I discovered that I could in fact, improve, individually, the Moon!

 

For example, every day, the Moon is Waxing and/ or Waning. After watching these 'transits' for a number of months, it occured to me, 'wow, this is the cycle of the Moon, getting bigger and getting smaller. Later I realized this represents a very powerful, very important 'cycle' of rest and activity for our entire World.

 

Well, it didn't surprise me that I had a very great lack of appreciation of the importance of balance or cycles, in life...with a Saturn in my 12th house...

 

In fact, I hated going to bed 'on time', and didn't appreciate how important that was ....

 

After awhile, I realized that, by studying or watching the Moon transits, I started to spontaneously, feel and 'be' more intune with their gyrations...

 

This immediately,...started making me 'feel' stronger...and again, after more time, I saw that my emotions or feelings, in other words, my very Moon was getting strengthened by this one insight, gained from my chart...

 

I hope this helps, answers your question.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

" ujala " <chadhatony

jyotish_tat_sat

Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:39:51 -0000

jyotish_tat_sat

Re: 2-Sanjay Sharma, > Mark Kincaid, re....[jyotish_tat_sat] Can we accelerate manifestation of guru in our life?

 

 

Mark,

 

" Don't take your charts seriously like they're written in stone.

They're just the state of your Physiology at the time of birth. "

 

Are you suggesting that horoscopes are the blue print at the time of

birth and a person can change his fortune totally!

 

I wonder what is the point in reading charts if spirituality can

enable a person to change his course of life ?

 

Please enlighten

 

Regards

 

Sanjay C.

 

 

 

jyotish_tat_sat , Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Sanjay Sharma:

>

> I just love your question. Also, I find it a very important and

crucial

> question in the whole field of Vedic science as well as Jyotish.

>

> To answer your question,....'yes', I believe it is possible to

strengthen or

> 'accelerate the manifestation of guru' in our lives.

>

> I also believe it's possible to strengthen every planet.

>

> Each planet has a particular signification related to our lives.

>

> Sun stands for self-confidence,

> Moon stands for emotional nature or strength,

> Mercury stands for intellect....

> and Jupiter stands for 'Spiritual power', or wisdom...

>

> So, when we do things that improve our self-confidence, whether

it's

> learning to do public speaking, or stand up for ourselves or even,

read the

> Upanishads, which are all about the 'Self', the extent to which

the 'self'

> inside, is strengthened, then the Sun, inside of us too becomes

stronger.

>

> I have a Guru who said one time, " Don't take your charts seriously

like

> they're written in stone.

> They're just the state of your Physiology at the time of birth. "

>

> Over the years I have found this statement very insightful and

unique.

>

> Instead of thinking our charts are only about our 'fate', I

believe it's a

> very profound insight into human and Cosmic Nature, that life can

be

> improved.

>

> My own experience, because my Moon was very 'weak' when I was

born, after

> years of meditating, and then, after Jyotish, learning how to

literally pay

> attention and strengthen, the Moon, inside of me,....

>

> I found the significations of the Moon, emotions, mental peace of

mind, even

> intuition, all, improved very powerfully the more I paid attention

to

> 'that'; .... strengthening the Moon...

>

> Now, I feel that anything and everything we do of a Spiritual

nature, like

> meditation and yaguas, being in the presence of the Guru,

reading 'his'

> words, even following 'his' suggestions for us,....all.... has a

very

> definite effect of " accelerating the Guru, within " .

>

> What's especially significant about learning how to manifest

more 'Guru' for

> ourselves, is that the grace of Guru, or God, is one of the most

powerful,

> 'helps', or 'aids', in life.

>

> And learning how to strengthen 'that', 'Jupiter' inside of us, is

a great

> focus.

>

> That may be why Jyotish calls 'Jupiter' or 'Guru', sometimes,

the...GREATEST

> BENEFIC!

>

> Finally, I've been thinking of a topic recently, which I like to

call:

>

> OUR JYOTISH CHARTS ARE LIKE THE 'GURU' FOR US!

>

> And what I mean by this, is that Jyotish makes discriminations, it

makes

> value judgements.

>

> Jyotish says: " This planet is benefic, or good, and this planet

is malefic,

> or weak, or trouble! "

>

> Now, I believe this is of the greatest importance in our personal

lives,

> because left to our own, efforts, without any 'guidance', or

> discriminations, like this..... we may just continue, making

mistakes, ....

> whether it's having Mars accidents, fights or quarrels, or Saturn

griefs,

> losses, and disappointments.

>

> Our Charts and especially the perspective of 'reason'

or 'interpretation',

> in our charts, IS... the opinion of the Guru!

>

> Therefore, knowing this, means at any moment when we look at our

charts,

> reflect upon our lives, and aspire to do anything differently,

or 'better',

> we are as if, heeding the Wisdom of the Guru.

>

> Everyday, life, has this quality too..

>

> Again, to go back to Mars, .... If we're going too fast, and we

don't know

> it, we have an accident.

>

> We're in fact, startled by it. We didn't go that speed to have an

accident.

> We thought that speed would help us win the race.

>

> But, 'Life', has a way of showing us, how we're doing.

>

> When we have that, 'accident', that's not only Mars, cursing us

with our

> bad, or malefic Mars; ... that's 'Life' telling us the

consequences of our

> actions.....!

>

> For most of us, after a number of accidents, we get it!

>

> " Ahhhhh, I'm going too fast " ....

>

> Then, we learn to adjust, to slow down, go at a more 'reasonable'

pace....

>

> That's the Guru, in Life, helping us, even if we don't know

it,...or don't

> have a more formal relationship with a 'Guru' or teacher, or even

God, ....

> in life...

>

> Imagine, how great the lesson, learning can be, when we

wholeheartily, open

> up to, and listen to the perspectives, discriminations, to the

Wisdoms

> ....of a Guru!

>

> The discriminations of our malefics, in our Charts, is.... one

such....

> 'glance' of the Guru...

>

> When we learn that our 'malefics' are those parts of us, that

we've come to

> improve, to change, transform,...and/or gain greater wisdom....

>

> then, we are heeding the innate Wisdoms of the Jyotish/Guru, for

us....

>

>

> Thanks for your great question.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Sanjay " <s16444>

> jyotish_tat_sat

> Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:10:02 -0000

> jyotish_tat_sat

> [jyotish_tat_sat] Can we accelerate manifestation of guru

in our

> life?

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Is it possible to accelearte the manifestation of guru in our

lives?

> by following a strictly sattvic life style and doing matra japa of

> kuldevta. or can we know from horoscope if we will ever get divine

> grace of guru?

>

> Yesterday I have seen many posting on moksha. i may be wrong but i

> feel & find from history that GURU BIN MOKSHA nahin.

>

> My details are following:

>

> DOB:30-7-1969

> TOB:10.35am

> POB: Delhi Cantt, India

>

> Warm regards

>

> Sanjay Sharma

>

>

>