2-Bettina & all, Mark Kincaid 8/5 re.....Mars &shyness & aggressi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bettina & All:

 

Guess what I have, too?

 

Yes, you're righhhht..... Moon & Saturn together in my 12th

house...

 

And yes, when I was younger I did cling to things, past, my

mother,

my belongings, I was a pack rat, even before I'd ever heard that

term...

 

Moon & Saturn can also stand for shyness, isolation,

loneliness.. and on and on..

 

Though it's been fulfilling to see how much that has changed....

after

many years of meditation...

and then, especially Jyotish....

 

in which, I finally understand the problem, intellectually....

 

and then learned some fascinating ways of literally strengthing

both my Moon & Saturn!

 

 

ciao

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

> " Bettina " <chiria

>

> Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:48:18 -0700

>

> RE: 2- Robin & Bettina & all, > Mark

Kincaid 8/5

> re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

>

> Now that I think of it, my friend also has a Moon/Saturn aspect.

>

> Different subject, but I've noticed that people with Moon and

Saturn in

> aspect tend to cling to the past. Often they remain unusually

close to ...

> either their actual parents, or their parent's values and ways of

doing

> things long after they've reached maturity. Probably all their

lives, in

> fact.

>

> Any one else notice that?

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

> Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:33 PM

>

> 2- Robin & Bettina & all, > Mark

Kincaid 8/5

> re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

>

>

> Dear Robin, friends & All:

>

> Don't forget, it's also important to look at the Sun, Rising Signs,

and

> especially the Moon's when trying to explain quietness.....

>

> I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a kind of

dynamic side of

> myself...

>

> But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the first or 7th

houses, because

> of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too, and only one

house away from

> my Sun in the 11th....

>

> I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and even

shyness, that a

> strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

>

> I also know a friend who has Mars in her first house, and she

too, is very

> shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her Saturn in

her 11th House,

> and she's often been able to tell me,

> she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in her first

house, because

> she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get upset or

irritable fairly

> easily.

>

> Like Bettina has said before, it's very important to look at all the

> different aspects of our charts.

>

> We have to study each part of our charts, individually, one at a

time,

> but...

> we need to stop and let them all go, and spontaneously,

embrace all of them,

> together....

> at some point...

>

>

> ciao

>

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>> " Bettina " <chiria

>>

>> Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:10:37 -0700

>>

>> RE: Re: 2- Rajeev, > Mark Kincaid

> 8/3...re..... To

>> Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

>>

>> Robin ...

>>

>> I have a relatively new friend (I've known her for about 10 mos.

now).

> She

>> has Mars smack dab on asc in Virgo along with Neptune.

Mars is a wide

>> square to Mercury. From what I've seen of her, she's very

quiet, very

>> intelligent. She teaches 3rd grade. She's into metaphyshics

(she's Navajo

>> and I think that has much to do with her spiritual background).

She

> doesn't

>> seem Mars-like at all to me.

>>

>> However, she's never married (she's in her mid-fifties). She's

> tremendously

>> independent. Perhaps that's what Mars in asc in female chart

means. You

>> sound independent, too.

>>

>> Anyhow, welcome to the group!

>>

>>

>> ... Bettina

>>

 

In , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Now that I think of it, my friend also has a Moon/Saturn aspect.

>

> Different subject, but I've noticed that people with Moon and

Saturn in

> aspect tend to cling to the past. Often they remain unusually

close to ...

> either their actual parents, or their parent's values and ways of

doing

> things long after they've reached maturity. Probably all their

lives, in

> fact.

>

> Any one else notice that?

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid@m...]

> Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:33 PM

>

> 2- Robin & Bettina & all, > Mark

Kincaid 8/5

> re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

>

>

> Dear Robin, friends & All:

>

> Don't forget, it's also important to look at the Sun, Rising Signs,

and

> especially the Moon's when trying to explain quietness.....

>

> I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a kind of

dynamic side of

> myself...

>

> But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the first or 7th

houses, because

> of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too, and only one

house away from

> my Sun in the 11th....

>

> I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and even

shyness, that a

> strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

>

> I also know a friend who has Mars in her first house, and she

too, is very

> shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her Saturn in

her 11th House,

> and she's often been able to tell me,

> she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in her first

house, because

> she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get upset or

irritable fairly

> easily.

>

> Like Bettina has said before, it's very important to look at all the

> different aspects of our charts.

>

> We have to study each part of our charts, individually, one at a

time,

> but...

> we need to stop and let them all go, and spontaneously,

embrace all of them,

> together....

> at some point...

>

>

> ciao

>

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> > " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> >

> > Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:10:37 -0700

> >

> > RE: Re: 2- Rajeev, > Mark Kincaid

> 8/3...re..... To

> > Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

> >

> > Robin ...

> >

> > I have a relatively new friend (I've known her for about 10

mos. now).

> She

> > has Mars smack dab on asc in Virgo along with Neptune.

Mars is a wide

> > square to Mercury. From what I've seen of her, she's very

quiet, very

> > intelligent. She teaches 3rd grade. She's into metaphyshics

(she's Navajo

> > and I think that has much to do with her spiritual

background). She

> doesn't

> > seem Mars-like at all to me.

> >

> > However, she's never married (she's in her mid-fifties).

She's

> tremendously

> > independent. Perhaps that's what Mars in asc in female chart

means. You

> > sound independent, too.

> >

> > Anyhow, welcome to the group!

> >

> >

> > ... Bettina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Robin Welch [AiiluroTangent@a...]

> > Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:07 PM

> >

> > Re: 2- Rajeev, > Mark Kincaid

8/3...re.....

> > To Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

> >

> >

> > Hi, all,

> >

> > Am new in this group & facinated with the Mars discussion.

> > I have Mars in Aquarius in ASC aspected loosely by Moon

and

> > tightly by Ketu; have any of you read James Braha's books?

In one

> > he talked about a woman who had Mars in first--he said he

would have

> > expected her to be aggressive but she was one of the

gentlest people

> > he knew. I can identify, can't stand aggressiveness --I think

Ketu

> > burned that out of Mars. But, I have to have lots of physical

> > activity or it adversely affects health (moon as 6th ruler?).

Had a

> > desk job before and am much happier with an active one! (I

am

> > female, BTW, and am a rural mail carrier now) Also, Mars in

first is

> > a good one for females --read that it makes one look younger

than

> > their age, and I have been told that a lot.

> > I have heard that 2 people with Mars Dosha should marry.

But I

> > don't think it really cancels out. Actually, look at your own 7th

> > house its ruler & navamsa and Venus. I have my 7th ruler

Sun

> > conjunct Rahu, and aspected by Saturn; and Saturn is tightly

> > conjunct Venus. (Venus sub-periods are tough! I learned to

work

> > really really hard to get the good out of 'em) Also a debilitated

> > Moon in my 7th in navamsa. Whereas my 5th ruler Mercury is

aspected

> > by Jupiter; so, even with Ketu in 5th, well, let's put it like

> > this: dating a man will give me no clue as to what kind of

married

> > life we'll have. (sounds of jail doors slamming) (Honeymoon

is OVER)

> > I should just date. Of course if I'd known years ago...

> > One other thing, what do you think?: probably better not to

> > have the other person's ASC lord as your MMP.

> > One book had some clues on what house relationship your

ASC

> > ruler & your 7th house ruler has, and your prospective

partner's

> > also. If your prospective partner had Mars and Saturn

aspecting

> > his/her 7th, say, and the 7th lord in a dustana, it may be quite

a

> > different life than the 7th receiving Jupiter and Venus

aspects.

> > A book I read by a Mr Joshi said that love marriages don't

need

> > all the astrological compatibility work (i think he was talking

> > about kuta, yoni, etc--all the really complicated things), but

what

> > Mr. Braha wrote in his latest book , The Art and Practice of

Ancient

> > Hindu Astrology, was so accurate it had my jaw dropping!

> > I loved that about telling the guy with Venus in tenth to be

> > sweet...you know, one of the Gabor sisters said that men

love with

> > their eyes, and women love with their ears. Harsh speech is

a

> > definite romance killer to a woman. Would you want your

lady's face

> > to have a hideous expression toward you? Ears and eyes,

remember?

> > And sweet speech is hard to resist.

> >

> > Robin

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

It is very interesting issue for me. Because my Lagna

is Saturn in 12th house and Moon is in 7th house also

7th house lord. I am always alone and isola. I feel

comfortable when I am alone. Also I live with my

mother.

Helen

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear Bettina & All:

>

> Guess what I have, too?

>

> Yes, you're righhhht..... Moon & Saturn together in

> my 12th

> house...

>

> And yes, when I was younger I did cling to things,

> past, my

> mother,

> my belongings, I was a pack rat, even before I'd

> ever heard that

> term...

>

> Moon & Saturn can also stand for shyness, isolation,

>

> loneliness.. and on and on..

>

> Though it's been fulfilling to see how much that has

> changed....

> after

> many years of meditation...

> and then, especially Jyotish....

>

> in which, I finally understand the problem,

> intellectually....

>

> and then learned some fascinating ways of literally

> strengthing

> both my Moon & Saturn!

>

>

> ciao

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> > " Bettina " <chiria

> >

> > Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:48:18 -0700

> >

> > RE: 2- Robin & Bettina

> & all, > Mark

> Kincaid 8/5

> > re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

> >

> > Now that I think of it, my friend also has a

> Moon/Saturn aspect.

> >

> > Different subject, but I've noticed that people

> with Moon and

> Saturn in

> > aspect tend to cling to the past. Often they

> remain unusually

> close to ...

> > either their actual parents, or their parent's

> values and ways of

> doing

> > things long after they've reached maturity.

> Probably all their

> lives, in

> > fact.

> >

> > Any one else notice that?

> >

> >

> > ... Bettina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

> > Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:33 PM

> >

> > 2- Robin & Bettina &

> all, > Mark

> Kincaid 8/5

> > re.....Mars & shyness & aggression...

> >

> >

> > Dear Robin, friends & All:

> >

> > Don't forget, it's also important to look at the

> Sun, Rising Signs,

> and

> > especially the Moon's when trying to explain

> quietness.....

> >

> > I have Mars in my 10th House, and have enjoyed...a

> kind of

> dynamic side of

> > myself...

> >

> > But, though Mars is very dominant, like in the

> first or 7th

> houses, because

> > of my Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too,

> and only one

> house away from

> > my Sun in the 11th....

> >

> > I also experience a deep kind of 'inwardness', and

> even

> shyness, that a

> > strong dominant Mars, doesn't completely explain.

> >

> > I also know a friend who has Mars in her first

> house, and she

> too, is very

> > shy. Her shyness, is because her Moon's with her

> Saturn in

> her 11th House,

> > and she's often been able to tell me,

> > she understands why her Mars is uncomfortable in

> her first

> house, because

> > she does go 'too fast' sometimes, and can get

> upset or

> irritable fairly

> > easily.

> >

> > Like Bettina has said before, it's very important

> to look at all the

> > different aspects of our charts.

> >

> > We have to study each part of our charts,

> individually, one at a

> time,

> > but...

> > we need to stop and let them all go, and

> spontaneously,

> embrace all of them,

> > together....

> > at some point...

> >

> >

> > ciao

> >

> >

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >> " Bettina " <chiria

> >>

> >> Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:10:37 -0700

> >>

> >> RE: Re: 2- Rajeev, >

> Mark Kincaid

> > 8/3...re..... To

> >> Mark from Rajeev on Kuja Dosha

> >>

> >> Robin ...

> >>

> >> I have a relatively new friend (I've known her

> for about 10 mos.

> now).

> > She

> >> has Mars smack dab on asc in Virgo along with

> Neptune.

> Mars is a wide

> >> square to Mercury. From what I've seen of her,

> she's very

> quiet, very

> >> intelligent. She teaches 3rd grade. She's into

> metaphyshics

> (she's Navajo

> >> and I think that has much to do with her

> spiritual background).

> She

> > doesn't

> >> seem Mars-like at all to me.

> >>

> >> However, she's never married (she's in her

> mid-fifties). She's

> > tremendously

> >> independent. Perhaps that's what Mars in asc in

> female chart

> means. You

> >> sound independent, too.

> >>

> >> Anyhow, welcome to the group!

> >>

> >>

> >> ... Bettina

> >>

>

> In , " Bettina "

> <chiria@n...>

> wrote:

> > Now that I think of it, my friend also has a

> Moon/Saturn aspect.

> >

> > Different subject, but I've noticed that people

> with Moon and

>

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