Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Dear Mark, I have noticed that sometimes when the Moon transits to Scorpio, I feel very irritated and angry about things that I thought I had resolved. Its like some suppressed hurt from my subconsious awakens and I feel the pain. Any thoughts on why this happens. Supriti My Chart: Natal Chart September 18, 1970 Time: 17:45:20 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 32' 00 " Rasi +--------------+ | \ SaR / \ / | | \ Mo / \ Ra / | | \ / \ / | | \ / GL \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL x As x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Gk \ 12 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Md x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / HL \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Su x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ma \ / Ju \ | | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | +--------------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 At 10:08 PM 6/30/04 +0200, Anne wrote: > Hi Bettina and Therese, Thank you for your interpretation, >Bettina wrote: > Moon is in it's fall in Scorpio, which simply means it's >in the sign where... Hi Anne, I really should mention that the planetary aspects to the Moon are far more important than the sign it's in. Also, if the Moon is prominent in the chart, the emotions will be strong no matter what sign it's in. For the Moon in Scorpio, there might be problems with the house the Moon rules. Also if the Moon is aspected by a planet in its own sign or exalted sign, that will be good and outweigh sign effects also. In Jyotish, it's far more important what mansion/nakshatra the Moon is in than the sign. Also more important than the sign is the condition of the dispositor. If the (sidereal) dispositor is good, then there shouldn't be many adverse effects from the Moon's sign. Also, adverse effects may happen only during certain transits. We just can't make any hard and fast rules about planets in signs. A planet in a sign is just one minus or plus factor among many other factors. I'll have to go look up your chart. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Therese, Many thanks again for your explanation! You wrote: > I really should mention that the planetary aspects to the Moon are >far more > important than the sign it's in. Anne replies My moon is only square rahu and ketu. So that means a lot of karmic encounters that I need to overcome during my life, which effect my emotional state. Therese wrote: > Also, if the Moon is prominent in the > chart, the emotions will be strong no matter what sign it's in. > For the > Moon in Scorpio, there might be problems with the house the Moon >rules. Anne replies: I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. It is hard to see in a square vedic chart. Anyway the 3rd House reflects the nature and quality of younger brothers and sisters, communications, the arts, music, and especially the performing arts, There is no planet in my 3rd house (vedic chart), but it is true that I am a creative person and I used to go to music lessons, my sister also and I can sing quite well. However I thought that that was always a quality of the 5th house, which is qute full in my western chart (Uranius, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Sun), my vedic chart 5th house is less occupied, only ketu is there, which can also explain a rich and skillfull past, so basically it says the same thing, that is what confuses me. Therese wrote: > Also if the Moon is aspected by a planet in its own sign or exalted sign, > that will be good and outweigh sign effects also. In Jyotish, it's far more > important what mansion/nakshatra the Moon is in than the sign. Anne replies: My moon is in Jyestha, which associated with Kundalini, the sythesis of spiritual and physical. However the description of Komilla Sutton is based on sun naksatras. Can i assume that these naksatras are also applicable for other planets and also the moon? Is Komilla's book adequate for interpreting moon signs also, or can you recommend another book on interpreting moonsigns for nakshatras? When I read about the relationships it fits like a glove, because it describes about the NEED of a person. What does a person emotionally NEED, can also be translated from the emotional state of an person's moon position. Jyestha's can be very much in love, but that love can fade quickly. They need new stimulance often and need relationships that are intellectual stimulating. However relationships are also the realm of venus, but I would plead to interprete the emotional needs from a person too, not just for men also for women. Therese wrote: > Also more important than the sign is the condition of the > dispositor. Anne replies: Which dispositor should I take? Jyestha's dispositor is mercury, which is coniunct with the sun and trine with rahu and ketu. However scorpio's dispositor is pluto, which makes a sextile with neptune. This is what confuses me: different dispositors because the nakshatras are not used in jyotish but merely western signs. I am still wondering how it fits? I agree with you that the aspects are far more important than the signs themselves. Therese wrote: > If > the (sidereal) dispositor is good, then there shouldn't be many >adverse > effects from the Moon's sign. Also, adverse effects may happen >only during > certain transits. Anne replies: My twins were born when pluto crossed my moon. That makes me think, because mercury is the dispositor of Jyestha. Mercury is in western astrology the dispositor of gemini... I am mixing things up I guess.. Greetings, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Anne ... Another important thing for the moon is the sign it occupies in the navamsa. Almost everyone has at least one planet in fall or problematically aspected. Have you ever posted your data? I agree that the 5th has a lot to do with creativity. " Expertise " is also a good word to assiciate with it. Also the sun, being natural ruler of the 5th, has to do with these qualities. I think of third as " self expression " , so when 3rd and 5th are combined in some way (ruler of one in the other, cnj of the 2 in a prominent position, whatever) the person should be outstandingly good at something, I would think. .... Bettina hagazussah [hagazussa] Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:31 AM Re: Moon in Scorpio Hi Therese, Many thanks again for your explanation! You wrote: > I really should mention that the planetary aspects to the Moon are >far more > important than the sign it's in. Anne replies My moon is only square rahu and ketu. So that means a lot of karmic encounters that I need to overcome during my life, which effect my emotional state. Therese wrote: > Also, if the Moon is prominent in the > chart, the emotions will be strong no matter what sign it's in. > For the > Moon in Scorpio, there might be problems with the house the Moon >rules. Anne replies: I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. It is hard to see in a square vedic chart. Anyway the 3rd House reflects the nature and quality of younger brothers and sisters, communications, the arts, music, and especially the performing arts, There is no planet in my 3rd house (vedic chart), but it is true that I am a creative person and I used to go to music lessons, my sister also and I can sing quite well. However I thought that that was always a quality of the 5th house, which is qute full in my western chart (Uranius, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Sun), my vedic chart 5th house is less occupied, only ketu is there, which can also explain a rich and skillfull past, so basically it says the same thing, that is what confuses me. Therese wrote: > Also if the Moon is aspected by a planet in its own sign or exalted sign, > that will be good and outweigh sign effects also. In Jyotish, it's far more > important what mansion/nakshatra the Moon is in than the sign. Anne replies: My moon is in Jyestha, which associated with Kundalini, the sythesis of spiritual and physical. However the description of Komilla Sutton is based on sun naksatras. Can i assume that these naksatras are also applicable for other planets and also the moon? Is Komilla's book adequate for interpreting moon signs also, or can you recommend another book on interpreting moonsigns for nakshatras? When I read about the relationships it fits like a glove, because it describes about the NEED of a person. What does a person emotionally NEED, can also be translated from the emotional state of an person's moon position. Jyestha's can be very much in love, but that love can fade quickly. They need new stimulance often and need relationships that are intellectual stimulating. However relationships are also the realm of venus, but I would plead to interprete the emotional needs from a person too, not just for men also for women. Therese wrote: > Also more important than the sign is the condition of the > dispositor. Anne replies: Which dispositor should I take? Jyestha's dispositor is mercury, which is coniunct with the sun and trine with rahu and ketu. However scorpio's dispositor is pluto, which makes a sextile with neptune. This is what confuses me: different dispositors because the nakshatras are not used in jyotish but merely western signs. I am still wondering how it fits? I agree with you that the aspects are far more important than the signs themselves. Therese wrote: > If > the (sidereal) dispositor is good, then there shouldn't be many >adverse > effects from the Moon's sign. Also, adverse effects may happen >only during > certain transits. Anne replies: My twins were born when pluto crossed my moon. That makes me think, because mercury is the dispositor of Jyestha. Mercury is in western astrology the dispositor of gemini... I am mixing things up I guess.. Greetings, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Anne, Bettina and Therese, Bettina, I'm just back and on here again, and will get back to your daughter's chart and be in touch with you soon. It was an amazing trip.. Anne, your Scorpio Moon has cancellation of debiltation (neechabhanga) due to Mars being exalted. Also Venus, lord of exaltation rashi is in Kendra from the dispositor. This gives, in my experience, a different Moon from a debilitated (neecha) Moon or a Moon without this at all. This Mars is also in Moon's nakshatra. Your Moon would have a very strong Mars energy to it and that Mars exalted in 8H, again natural house for Scorpio. Deep interest in pyschology perhaps and definitely also all these more occult teachings. Jyeshtha's deity is Indra, and Mercury ruler. Indra is a great mighty warrior and hero. Your Moon also is in Mercury's star and Mercury in 5H. Also you have Moon on 1H in Navamsa chart. And this is in exchange (Parivartana) with Saturn. This parivartana also occurs in your chart for work/great success' (Dashamsha chart) again with Saturn, and in that chart your Moon is in your 5H. It would be interesting to hear what your experience is with your mother, if you feel you can share this. As you have Ketu/Pluto in 4H in KP chart, you may be very private regarding this. Your mother is probably not very traditional at all - is this correct? Rahu is sublord of your 4H and this is a strong Rahu. In KP chart Rahu moves into 10H. It's interesting in your chart that both signs owned by Mars have a neechabhanga planet - in 11H Aries, RSaturn. RSaturn is the only planet in Ketu's star and in KP chart Ketu in 4H. Also your Neptune is in Saturn's star (again, outer planets are not considered in traditional KP, but I like to look at this) and that Neptune is conjoined with your Moon in 6H. This Neptune and Moon conjunction in your 6H also gives a sensitivity that you have mentioned before in your earlier posts. 10H has this Moon for sub lord, again looking like you may do some kind of psychology type of work. You wrote: Anne replies:I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. Cancer rules your 2H in Vedic chart. Out of time. I hope this is helpful. You had asked me before regarding your Jyeshtha Moon and I was never able to return to this. Also it's very confusing to try to use the western combined with Jyotish. It's so wonderful that you know western and can use it as well, you're fortunate, but when doing Jyotish try not to combine the two at all. Kindest regards, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Bettina, Thanks for your answer. My data are 11-11-1969, 19.20h Arnhem, The Netherlands. I am not sure whether you are pointing at the vedic signs or the western ones. At least the fall is venus in western astrology, but in vedic it is a strong planet. Moon is in it's fall in vedic, but not in western astrology. So it is quite confusing to me. Greetings, Anne , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Anne ... > > Another important thing for the moon is the sign it occupies in the navamsa. > Almost everyone has at least one planet in fall or problematically aspected. > Have you ever posted your data? I agree that the 5th has a lot to do with > creativity. " Expertise " is also a good word to assiciate with it. Also the > sun, being natural ruler of the 5th, has to do with these qualities. I > think of third as " self expression " , so when 3rd and 5th are combined in > some way (ruler of one in the other, cnj of the 2 in a prominent position, > whatever) the person should be outstandingly good at something, I would > think. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > hagazussah [hagazussa@c...] > Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:31 AM > > Re: Moon in Scorpio > > > Hi Therese, > > Many thanks again for your explanation! > > You wrote: > > I really should mention that the planetary aspects to the Moon are > >far more > > important than the sign it's in. > > Anne replies > My moon is only square rahu and ketu. So that means a lot of karmic > encounters that I need to overcome during my life, which effect my > emotional state. > > Therese wrote: > > Also, if the Moon is prominent in the > > chart, the emotions will be strong no matter what sign it's in. > > For the > > Moon in Scorpio, there might be problems with the house the Moon > >rules. > > Anne replies: > I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the > houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. It is hard to see in a > square vedic chart. Anyway the 3rd House reflects the nature and > quality of younger brothers and sisters, communications, > the arts, music, and especially the performing > arts, > There is no planet in my 3rd house (vedic chart), but it is true > that I am a creative person and I used to go to music lessons, my > sister also and I can sing quite well. However I thought that that > was always a quality of the 5th house, which is qute full in my > western chart (Uranius, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Sun), my vedic > chart 5th house is less occupied, only ketu is there, which can also > explain a rich and skillfull past, so basically it says the same > thing, that is what confuses me. > > Therese wrote: > > Also if the Moon is aspected by a planet in its own sign or > exalted sign, > > that will be good and outweigh sign effects also. In Jyotish, it's > far more > > important what mansion/nakshatra the Moon is in than the sign. > > Anne replies: > My moon is in Jyestha, which associated with Kundalini, the sythesis > of spiritual and physical. However the description of Komilla Sutton > is based on sun naksatras. Can i assume that these naksatras are > also applicable for other planets and also the moon? Is Komilla's > book adequate for interpreting moon signs also, or can you recommend > another book on interpreting moonsigns for nakshatras? > When I read about the relationships it fits like a glove, because it > describes about the NEED of a person. What does a person emotionally > NEED, can also be translated from the emotional state of an person's > moon position. Jyestha's can be very much in love, but that love can > fade quickly. They need new stimulance often and need relationships > that are intellectual stimulating. However relationships are also > the realm of venus, but I would plead to interprete the emotional > needs from a person too, not just for men also for women. > > Therese wrote: > > Also more important than the sign is the condition of the > > dispositor. > > Anne replies: > Which dispositor should I take? > > Jyestha's dispositor is mercury, which is coniunct with the sun and > trine with rahu and ketu. > > However scorpio's dispositor is pluto, which makes a sextile with > neptune. > > This is what confuses me: different dispositors because the > nakshatras are not used in jyotish but merely western signs. I am > still wondering how it fits? I agree with you that the aspects are > far more important than the signs themselves. > > Therese wrote: > > If > > the (sidereal) dispositor is good, then there shouldn't be many > >adverse > > effects from the Moon's sign. Also, adverse effects may happen > >only during > > certain transits. > > Anne replies: > My twins were born when pluto crossed my moon. That makes me think, > because mercury is the dispositor of Jyestha. Mercury is in western > astrology the dispositor of gemini... I am mixing things up I guess.. > > Greetings, > > Anne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Anne ... I always use Vedic. I'll run off your chart and have a look. Got a friend coming to stay for a few days so prob'ly won't be for a while. .... Bettina hagazussah [hagazussa] Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:01 AM Re: Moon in Scorpio Hi Bettina, Thanks for your answer. My data are 11-11-1969, 19.20h Arnhem, The Netherlands. I am not sure whether you are pointing at the vedic signs or the western ones. At least the fall is venus in western astrology, but in vedic it is a strong planet. Moon is in it's fall in vedic, but not in western astrology. So it is quite confusing to me. Greetings, Anne , " Bettina " <chiria@n...> wrote: > Anne ... > > Another important thing for the moon is the sign it occupies in the navamsa. > Almost everyone has at least one planet in fall or problematically aspected. > Have you ever posted your data? I agree that the 5th has a lot to do with > creativity. " Expertise " is also a good word to assiciate with it. Also the > sun, being natural ruler of the 5th, has to do with these qualities. I > think of third as " self expression " , so when 3rd and 5th are combined in > some way (ruler of one in the other, cnj of the 2 in a prominent position, > whatever) the person should be outstandingly good at something, I would > think. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > hagazussah [hagazussa@c...] > Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:31 AM > > Re: Moon in Scorpio > > > Hi Therese, > > Many thanks again for your explanation! > > You wrote: > > I really should mention that the planetary aspects to the Moon are > >far more > > important than the sign it's in. > > Anne replies > My moon is only square rahu and ketu. So that means a lot of karmic > encounters that I need to overcome during my life, which effect my > emotional state. > > Therese wrote: > > Also, if the Moon is prominent in the > > chart, the emotions will be strong no matter what sign it's in. > > For the > > Moon in Scorpio, there might be problems with the house the Moon > >rules. > > Anne replies: > I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the > houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. It is hard to see in a > square vedic chart. Anyway the 3rd House reflects the nature and > quality of younger brothers and sisters, communications, > the arts, music, and especially the performing > arts, > There is no planet in my 3rd house (vedic chart), but it is true > that I am a creative person and I used to go to music lessons, my > sister also and I can sing quite well. However I thought that that > was always a quality of the 5th house, which is qute full in my > western chart (Uranius, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Sun), my vedic > chart 5th house is less occupied, only ketu is there, which can also > explain a rich and skillfull past, so basically it says the same > thing, that is what confuses me. > > Therese wrote: > > Also if the Moon is aspected by a planet in its own sign or > exalted sign, > > that will be good and outweigh sign effects also. In Jyotish, it's > far more > > important what mansion/nakshatra the Moon is in than the sign. > > Anne replies: > My moon is in Jyestha, which associated with Kundalini, the sythesis > of spiritual and physical. However the description of Komilla Sutton > is based on sun naksatras. Can i assume that these naksatras are > also applicable for other planets and also the moon? Is Komilla's > book adequate for interpreting moon signs also, or can you recommend > another book on interpreting moonsigns for nakshatras? > When I read about the relationships it fits like a glove, because it > describes about the NEED of a person. What does a person emotionally > NEED, can also be translated from the emotional state of an person's > moon position. Jyestha's can be very much in love, but that love can > fade quickly. They need new stimulance often and need relationships > that are intellectual stimulating. However relationships are also > the realm of venus, but I would plead to interprete the emotional > needs from a person too, not just for men also for women. > > Therese wrote: > > Also more important than the sign is the condition of the > > dispositor. > > Anne replies: > Which dispositor should I take? > > Jyestha's dispositor is mercury, which is coniunct with the sun and > trine with rahu and ketu. > > However scorpio's dispositor is pluto, which makes a sextile with > neptune. > > This is what confuses me: different dispositors because the > nakshatras are not used in jyotish but merely western signs. I am > still wondering how it fits? I agree with you that the aspects are > far more important than the signs themselves. > > Therese wrote: > > If > > the (sidereal) dispositor is good, then there shouldn't be many > >adverse > > effects from the Moon's sign. Also, adverse effects may happen > >only during > > certain transits. > > Anne replies: > My twins were born when pluto crossed my moon. That makes me think, > because mercury is the dispositor of Jyestha. Mercury is in western > astrology the dispositor of gemini... I am mixing things up I guess.. > > Greetings, > > Anne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Patrice ... Good to have you back! I think you've about said it all in re Anne's moon. .... Bettina Patrice Curry [patricecurry]Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Re: Moon in Scorpio Hi Anne, Bettina and Therese, Bettina, I'm just back and on here again, and will get back to your daughter's chart and be in touch with you soon. It was an amazing trip.. Anne, your Scorpio Moon has cancellation of debiltation (neechabhanga) due to Mars being exalted. Also Venus, lord of exaltation rashi is in Kendra from the dispositor. This gives, in my experience, a different Moon from a debilitated (neecha) Moon or a Moon without this at all. This Mars is also in Moon's nakshatra. Your Moon would have a very strong Mars energy to it and that Mars exalted in 8H, again natural house for Scorpio. Deep interest in pyschology perhaps and definitely also all these more occult teachings. Jyeshtha's deity is Indra, and Mercury ruler. Indra is a great mighty warrior and hero. Your Moon also is in Mercury's star and Mercury in 5H. Also you have Moon on 1H in Navamsa chart. And this is in exchange (Parivartana) with Saturn. This parivartana also occurs in your chart for work/great success' (Dashamsha chart) again with Saturn, and in that chart your Moon is in your 5H. It would be interesting to hear what your experience is with your mother, if you feel you can share this. As you have Ketu/Pluto in 4H in KP chart, you may be very private regarding this. Your mother is probably not very traditional at all - is this correct? Rahu is sublord of your 4H and this is a strong Rahu. In KP chart Rahu moves into 10H. It's interesting in your chart that both signs owned by Mars have a neechabhanga planet - in 11H Aries, RSaturn. RSaturn is the only planet in Ketu's star and in KP chart Ketu in 4H. Also your Neptune is in Saturn's star (again, outer planets are not considered in traditional KP, but I like to look at this) and that Neptune is conjoined with your Moon in 6H. This Neptune and Moon conjunction in your 6H also gives a sensitivity that you have mentioned before in your earlier posts. 10H has this Moon for sub lord, again looking like you may do some kind of psychology type of work. You wrote: Anne replies:I have cancer in my vedic chart on the 3rd house I suppose, so the houseruler of the moon is the 3rd house. Cancer rules your 2H in Vedic chart. Out of time. I hope this is helpful. You had asked me before regarding your Jyeshtha Moon and I was never able to return to this. Also it's very confusing to try to use the western combined with Jyotish. It's so wonderful that you know western and can use it as well, you're fortunate, but when doing Jyotish try not to combine the two at all. Kindest regards, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Thanks Dear Bettina ;-) It's nice to be home and back doing Jyotish too! Happy Guru Purnima to you and all today! - an amazing full Moon, such a lovely special day. All blessings, Patrice ________ Patrice ... Good to have you back! I think you've about said it all in re Anne's moon. .... Bettina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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