RE: 2-debra, Mark Kincaid...5/28....re...How do we become moreintune with Saturn?

[Guest guest]

I agree with you about Saturn/Shiva. I have S right on asc and in Ardra no less (a nak. associated with Shiva, or Rudra, which seems like a chaotic aspect of Shiva) and have always (since I've known about such things) felt that I have "a lifetime in which Shiva is operative". Plans getting turned topsy turvy, unexpected changes, major problems, but it seems with a solution just when I think there is no hope. I feel as though I've been forced to look at reality, existence, for what it really is, and not what I might want it to be. Some deep despondency and some bursts of intense exhileration and creativity that seem to come from nowhere. Also, a powerful desire to know reality and know spirit; to know myself and all of existence as spirit.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Friday, May 28, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: 2-debra, > Mark Kincaid...5/28....re...How do we become moreintune with Saturn?Dear Debra:It's a very important question, and one that I think about every time when writing about Jyotish.Read up on some of the many past star reports..and you'll read many descriptions in more depth.You're prompting me to start a category...on Jyotish Remedies....especially Saturn....thanks!In general, think of Saturn as representing the poise, the silence, the balance in life...So, even in the middle of a storm, there is some deep, silent, center....That's Saturn...In Vedic Knowledge sometimes Saturn has been described as Shiva.... which is the essence of pure Silence....So, anything and everything we can do to develop more inner quietness; meditation, more regular rest....periods....Anything and everything.... that stirs our inner balance.....strengthens....Saturn...So, things like meditation are crucial for developing Saturn....balance....The other thing I've noticed,...is that Saturn being the planet associated with balance... also means that rhythms and cycles.... should be balanced too...And for me, watching the daily transits...all these days....and over 16 years now; has shownme...that learning about all these cycles.... and then adjusting...and learning how to be more in-tune with each of them....has helped my Saturn, too!The other day, I thought I could write an article...called:Saturn Cycles:Daily, Monthly and Yearly Cycles.....Being more intune with the daily, Monthly and Yearly cycles....does strengthen Saturn, because the more intune we are with Nature's cycles....the more Saturn is appeased....or lived....and therefore doesn't need to be malefic!Hope this helps...Mark Kincaid

"dqm51" <dqm51 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:04:55 -0000 Subject: Re: 2-All, > Mark Kincaid...5/26.....re....Finding Saturn's many blessings...and banishing....headaches, disease, forever!

see below , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> Dear Friends:> > Please don't think my thoughts are being insensitive, regarding headaches> and migranes, but ...> I think it may be helpful to understand that 'they'....are often due to> Saturn....> in it's functional malefic mode...> > The reason why this is important, is we need to discover how to live our> lives more in-tune with Saturn....and as we do this...> > then obstuctions, headaches,...pain of all kinds....will be less!>Mark, how does one go about doing this - getting in tune with Saturn?Debra......read below> I used to have many more headaches....for a variety of reaons....> > And when I finally began to figure Saturn out.... pain....finally started> going away....> > Now, when I feel the beginning of a headache or pressure coming back,...this> time I immediately stop and realize....'woa!..... Saturn's telling me> something....> and instead of keep going...I relax....> I take it more easy....till that 'symptom' of Saturn's imbalance....goes> away!> > The reason why it's sooooo difficult to get rid of headaches....or pain...> or dis-ease or disease...> > is by the time, 'it'....has become chronic....we've been out of tune with> Saturn for a long time,> and not hearing Saturn's earlier feedbacks....> > now, we're due...for the more constant ones.....> > So, it may take longer then we'd like....but this too, is to help us,> really.... discover... the real importance of silence....> > We mostly appreciate....activity...and the outer....> in life,...today....> > And that's sooooo superficial... especially in terms...of Nature's unbounded> silence.... potential!> > We, Jyotish students..are prime....exponents....of Saturn's blessed> silence...and peace....> > May we all quickly discover.... how to live and breathe....in Saturn's> blessings!> > > > Jai Sani!> > > Mark Kincaid> > > > > > "Bettina" <chiria@n...>> > Wed, 26 May 2004 17:34:52 -0700> > RE: Greetings> > > Excedrin is VERY high in caffeine. To get off caffeine, you have to wean> yourself, a little bit at a time. I find that taking the tablets is better> than coffee, because coffee is very acidic which can make you feel weird in> itself. Even decaf makes me feel a little weird, and I think it's the> acidity. To get off caffeine, take a little less of a c. pill every day, or> even every few days, till you're just having a minute fraction. Then ...> nothing. Your friend might try that with the Excedrin tablets.> > > .... Bettina> > > > > Patrice Curry [patricecurry@c...]> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:55 PM> > Re: Greetings> > Hi Debra and Bettina,> > Boy, you two have really been through it - awful. Migraines are crippling.> I know that my friend, that has always suffered them and is having a> terrible time getting free of caffeine, had trouble believing that she could> be headache free after trying so many things and attending headache clinics,> etc... I have found caffeine often to be a huge one for people to get away> from, for improvement from migraines, but also a very difficult one to get> off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so for many. None of the allopathic> medicines or docs were able to help her, and she had done quite a bit over> the years so it can feel defeating after trying it all. She relied on> Excedrin to "just get through" these years for so long now. She has an> addiction to it and it is very, very tough to break.> > No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test done. I was though very freaked> about needles, use to faint as a child when they gave me shots ;-) My> experience though with the acupuncturist was that the needles were no> problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt them. And I was freaked still> about them a bit when I went in.> > The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep and I was just finally so> exhausted, and then ran into this situation so I tried it. I had been> getting messages from people regarding how it really worked for frozen> shoulders, and other positive feedback regarding acupuncture was coming at> me from all directions ;-) so I finally just did it. It truly was amazing to> then immediately begin sleeping again and the shoulder so much improved, no> pain. All that remained was to work it and exercise it to regain my complete> range of movement, which I'm now doing. The movement was also better right> away following the acupuncture. Thanks for your kind wishes.> > Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is my 2nd frozen shoulder and I> hadn't tried it with my first (went to physical therapy on that one and it> lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a minimum of a year) my shoulder> just got stronger and stronger and the atrophy that happens went away> completely, which is what causes much of the pain. For this one,> astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left shoulder... My right shoulder> happened yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting 3rd...> > A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful books on women's health, one on> menopause and has traveled the world to attend women's health gatherings as> a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the government gives classes and> courses regarding women's health. She said that frozen shoulders are in fact> also a hormone related thing in many, many cases. Apparently in Japan where> women don't suffer many of the symptoms that are common in the west of> peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly they have a high incident of> frozen shoulders... And as I spent important years for learning diet,> cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in Hawaii, and am vegetarian, I very> much have always had an Asian diet. I also haven't had the more common> western symptoms. > > I use homeopathy as well and have had good experience with it, especially in> acute situations. It has also been helping my friend deal with the acute> symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is actually a surprisingly> amazingly strong drug after all, and she has experienced fevers, sick> feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is helping her. I don't know if> you've tried that as well Debra.> > I will continue on another post regarding your questions on nakshatra books> and medical astrology, some experiences and the way I started on it.. Yes!> it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the info helpful and are getting the> books, great! The purple one you mentioned is by Dennis Harness. Bepin> Behari has written some good ones and also there are tapes. One of the best> things too is in Parashara's Light, in the "Astrology Lessons", there is all> kinds of wonderful info on them there, even descriptions of all the deities> of the nakshatras. All the basic books also give good basic info on them,> such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens, and Defouw and Svoboda's Light> on Life. More soon.> > I must get to something here tonight so will return on this info asap.> > Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for your sharing as well.> > Kindest wishes, > > Patrice > > ________________________________> > Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!> > Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well. Keep us posted to your> welfare. > > I¹m racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations. Also, yes,> there is a ch. Med dr 1Ž2 hour away. I think I will try and acupuncture> possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done. It¹s where they stick> you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve function> is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes to acupuncture, I have been> a little leery because of the needles and its ensuing pain. But you know,> there is just too many good things going on in alternative meds that I just> can¹t ignore or not give priority attention too. Just think, pain free!> Yeah! I¹ll settle for relief J> > Charak is good. I am going to order this book too! I am fascinated with> you work with the Nashastras. This is an area that I have not really> investigated. But, maybe I should for better understanding and prediction.> Or event synthesis. I would like to hear more. How did you start and go> about it. Is there a book or reference to understand the Nashastra stars.> I have one book. It is very small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need> to go look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains> this Vedic meaning of it¹s stars and I think there is something valid to it> in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events. Also you> study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see a> lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of> exploration, isn¹t it?!> > Debra > Dear Deb and Patrice ...> > Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They sound wretched. I> would recommend rotating, and in your case, rotating everything. That's> what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate grains,> veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong> cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe> no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ...> quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become> adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things> ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I> also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp> cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a> fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is> really, really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol ever.> > Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you ever been checked for> candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could go to a naturopath. I> believe in allopathic AND alternative medicine. Whatever works. Life is> too precious to have it ruined by chronic pain. Do you still live in the> Chicago area? There's probably a huge selection of alternative medical> practioners there.> > Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's great to be able to> help each other out.> > If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it would be "Don't> take the bc pill!". I think it's one thing that contributed to my migs,> even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting getting really bad.> My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your system, you become> sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce yourself. Then> you develop, in effect, an autoimmune response to them. Then factor in> allergies and you have a real problem.> > > ... Bettina> > > > >

[Guest guest]

To

All,

I

think this topic is going to prove very important and informative.    I am

thrilled that it will be given special discussion.

 

 Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Friday, May 28, 2004 7:58 PM

 

RE:

2-debra, > Mark Kincaid...5/28....re...How do we become moreintune with

Saturn?

 

 

I agree with you about

Saturn/Shiva. I have S right on asc and in Ardra no less (a nak.

associated with Shiva, or Rudra, which seems like a chaotic aspect of Shiva)

and have always (since I've known about such things) felt that I have

" a lifetime in which Shiva is operative " . Plans getting

turned topsy turvy, unexpected changes, major problems, but it seems with a

solution just when I think there is no hope. I feel as though I've been

forced to look at reality, existence, for what it really is, and not what I

might want it to be. Some deep despondency and some bursts of intense

exhileration and creativity that seem to come from nowhere. Also, a

powerful desire to know reality and know spirit; to know myself and all of

existence as spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message-----

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

Friday, May 28, 2004 3:51 PM

 

 

2-debra, > Mark Kincaid...5/28....re...How do we become moreintune with

Saturn?

Dear

Debra:

 

It's a very important question, and one that I think about every time when

writing about Jyotish.

 

Read up on some of the many past star reports..and you'll read many descriptions

in more depth.

 

You're prompting me to start a category...on Jyotish Remedies....especially

Saturn....

thanks!

 

 

In general, think of Saturn as representing the poise, the silence, the balance

in life...

 

So, even in the middle of a storm, there is some deep, silent, center....

 

That's Saturn...

 

In Vedic Knowledge sometimes Saturn has been described as Shiva.... which is

the essence of pure Silence....

 

So, anything and everything we can do to develop more inner quietness;

meditation, more regular rest....periods....

 

Anything and everything.... that stirs our inner

balance.....strengthens....Saturn...

 

So, things like meditation are crucial for developing Saturn....balance....

 

The other thing I've noticed,...is that Saturn being the planet associated with

balance...

also means that rhythms and cycles.... should be balanced too...

 

And for me, watching the daily transits...all these days....and over 16 years

now; has shown

me...that learning about all these cycles.... and then adjusting...and learning

how to be more in-tune with each of them....has helped my Saturn, too!

 

 

The other day, I thought I could write an article...called:

 

Saturn Cycles:

 

Daily, Monthly and Yearly Cycles.....

 

 

Being more intune with the daily, Monthly and Yearly cycles....does strengthen

Saturn, because the more intune we are with Nature's cycles....the more Saturn

is appeased....or lived....

and therefore doesn't need to be malefic!

 

 

Hope this helps...

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

" dqm51 " <dqm51

 

Thu, 27 May 2004 16:04:55

-0000

 

Re:

2-All, > Mark Kincaid...5/26.....re....Finding Saturn's many blessings...and

banishing....headaches, disease, forever!

 

 

see

below

 

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Friends:

>

> Please don't think my thoughts are being

insensitive, regarding

headaches

> and migranes, but ...

> I think it may be helpful to understand that

'they'....are often

due to

> Saturn....

> in it's functional malefic mode...

>

> The reason why this is important, is we need

to discover how to

live our

> lives more in-tune with Saturn....and as we

do this...

>

> then obstuctions, headaches,...pain of all

kinds....will be less!

>

 

 

 

Mark, how does one go about doing this - getting

in tune with Saturn?

 

Debra......read below

 

 

> I used to have many more headaches....for a

variety of reaons....

>

> And when I finally began to figure Saturn

out.... pain....finally

started

> going away....

>

> Now, when I feel the beginning of a headache

or pressure coming

back,...this

> time I immediately stop and realize....'woa!.....

Saturn's telling

me

> something....

> and instead of keep going...I relax....

> I take it more easy....till that 'symptom' of

Saturn's

imbalance....goes

> away!

>

> The reason why it's sooooo difficult to get

rid of headaches....or

pain...

> or dis-ease or disease...

>

> is by the time, 'it'....has become

chronic....we've been out of

tune with

> Saturn for a long time,

> and not hearing Saturn's earlier

feedbacks....

>

> now, we're due...for the more constant

ones.....

>

> So, it may take longer then we'd like....but

this too, is to help

us,

> really.... discover... the real importance of

silence....

>

> We mostly appreciate....activity...and the

outer....

> in life,...today....

>

> And that's sooooo superficial... especially

in terms...of Nature's

unbounded

> silence.... potential!

>

> We, Jyotish students..are

prime....exponents....of Saturn's blessed

> silence...and peace....

>

> May we all quickly discover.... how to live

and breathe....in

Saturn's

> blessings!

>

>

>

> Jai Sani!

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

>

> Wed, 26 May 2004 17:34:52 -0700

>

> RE: Greetings

>

>

> Excedrin is VERY high in caffeine. To

get off caffeine, you have

to wean

> yourself, a little bit at a time. I

find that taking the tablets

is better

> than coffee, because coffee is very acidic

which can make you feel

weird in

> itself. Even decaf makes me feel a

little weird, and I think

it's the

> acidity. To get off caffeine, take a

little less of a c. pill

every day, or

> even every few days, till you're just having

a minute fraction.

Then ...

> nothing. Your friend might try that

with the Excedrin tablets.

>

>

> .... Bettina

>

>

>

>

> Patrice Curry

[patricecurry@c...]

> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:55 PM

>

> Re: Greetings

>

> Hi Debra and Bettina,

>

> Boy, you two have really been through it -

awful. Migraines are

crippling.

> I know that my friend, that has always

suffered them and is having

a

> terrible time getting free of caffeine, had

trouble believing that

she could

> be headache free after trying so many things

and attending

headache clinics,

> etc... I have found caffeine often to be a

huge one for people to

get away

> from, for improvement from migraines, but

also a very difficult

one to get

> off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so

for many. None of the

allopathic

> medicines or docs were able to help her, and

she had done quite a

bit over

> the years so it can feel defeating after

trying it all. She relied

on

> Excedrin to " just get through "

these years for so long now. She

has an

> addiction to it and it is very, very tough to

break.

>

> No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test

done. I was though

very freaked

> about needles, use to faint as a child when

they gave me shots ;-)

My

> experience though with the acupuncturist was

that the needles were

no

> problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt

them. And I was

freaked still

> about them a bit when I went in.

>

> The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep

and I was just finally

so

> exhausted, and then ran into this situation

so I tried it. I had

been

> getting messages from people regarding how it

really worked for

frozen

> shoulders, and other positive feedback

regarding acupuncture was

coming at

> me from all directions ;-) so I finally just

did it. It truly was

amazing to

> then immediately begin sleeping again and the

shoulder so much

improved, no

> pain. All that remained was to work it and

exercise it to regain

my complete

> range of movement, which I'm now doing. The

movement was also

better right

> away following the acupuncture. Thanks for

your kind wishes.

>

> Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is

my 2nd frozen

shoulder and I

> hadn't tried it with my first (went to

physical therapy on that

one and it

> lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a

minimum of a year) my

shoulder

> just got stronger and stronger and the

atrophy that happens went

away

> completely, which is what causes much of the

pain. For this one,

> astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left

shoulder... My right

shoulder

> happened yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting

3rd...

>

> A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful

books on women's

health, one on

> menopause and has traveled the world to

attend women's health

gatherings as

> a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the

government gives

classes and

> courses regarding women's health. She said

that frozen shoulders

are in fact

> also a hormone related thing in many, many

cases. Apparently in

Japan where

> women don't suffer many of the symptoms that

are common in the

west of

> peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly

they have a high

incident of

> frozen shoulders... And as I spent important

years for learning

diet,

> cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in

Hawaii, and am

vegetarian, I very

> much have always had an Asian diet. I also

haven't had the more

common

> western symptoms.

>

> I use homeopathy as well and have had good

experience with it,

especially in

> acute situations. It has also been helping my

friend deal with the

acute

> symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is

actually a surprisingly

> amazingly strong drug after all, and she has

experienced fevers,

sick

> feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is

helping her. I don't

know if

> you've tried that as well Debra.

>

> I will continue on another post regarding

your questions on

nakshatra books

> and medical astrology, some experiences and

the way I started on

it.. Yes!

> it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the

info helpful and are

getting the

> books, great! The purple one you mentioned is

by Dennis Harness.

Bepin

> Behari has written some good ones and also

there are tapes. One of

the best

> things too is in Parashara's Light, in the

" Astrology Lessons " ,

there is all

> kinds of wonderful info on them there,

even descriptions of all

the deities

> of the nakshatras. All the basic books also

give good basic info

on them,

> such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens,

and Defouw and

Svoboda's Light

> on Life. More soon.

>

> I must get to something here tonight so will

return on this info

asap.

>

> Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for

your sharing as well.

>

> Kindest wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

> ________________________________

>

> Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

>

> Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be

well. Keep us

posted to your

> welfare.

>

> I¹m racing off to order Amazon for your book

recommendations.

Also, yes,

> there is a ch. Med dr 1Ž2 hour away. I

think I will try and

acupuncture

> possibility. Have you ever had that

nerve test done. It¹s where

they stick

> you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere

to see if your nerve

function

> is still right on. Horrible. So,

when it comes to acupuncture, I

have been

> a little leery because of the needles and its

ensuing pain. But

you know,

> there is just too many good things going on

in alternative meds

that I just

> can¹t ignore or not give priority attention

too. Just think, pain

free!

> Yeah! I¹ll settle for relief J

>

> Charak is good. I am going to order

this book too! I am

fascinated with

> you work with the Nashastras. This is

an area that I have not

really

> investigated. But, maybe I should for

better understanding and

prediction.

> Or event synthesis. I would like

to hear more. How did you

start and go

> about it. Is there a book or reference

to understand the

Nashastra stars.

> I have one book. It is very small.

Purple cover. Nashastra

title. Need

> to go look. Anyway, it is the only book

I have come across that

explains

> this Vedic meaning of it¹s stars and I think

there is something

valid to it

> in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities

along with events.

Also you

> study and work into Medical Astrology.

How you have helped, where

you see a

> lot of things in the chart cropping up etc.

it is a whole other

area of

> exploration, isn¹t it?!

>

> Debra

> Dear Deb and Patrice ...

>

> Deb, so sorry to hear about your health

probs. They sound

wretched. I

> would recommend rotating, and in your case,

rotating everything.

That's

> what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and

early 50s. Rotate

grains,

> veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings.

Avoid anything with mold

(strong

> cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar,

chocolate. Maybe no

yeast. Maybe

> no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains

I'd never tried

before ...

> quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots

like tarot for starch. You

become

> adventurous and creative. Now I only

have to rotate the meaty

type things

> ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a

week for a special

treat. I

> also am careful with mushrooms and never eat

strong cheeses like

sharp

> cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged.

Never drink coffee but

take a

> fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy

in the daytime.

Caffiene is

> really, really hard to get of off. Tea

once in a while. No

alcohol ever.

>

> Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers.

Have you ever been

checked for

> candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps

you could go to a

naturopath. I

> believe in allopathic AND alternative

medicine. Whatever works.

Life is

> too precious to have it ruined by chronic

pain. Do you still live

in the

> Chicago area? There's

probably a huge selection of alternative

medical

> practioners there.

>

> Patrice, thank you so much for you good

guidance. It's great to

be able to

> help each other out.

>

> If I could have one bit of advice to offer

all women, it would

be " Don't

> take the bc pill! " . I think it's

one thing that contributed to my

migs,

> even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they

starting getting

really bad.

> My theory is that by adding extra hormones to

your system, you

become

> sensitized to those hormones ... even the

ones you produce

yourself. Then

> you develop, in effect, an

autoimmune response to them. Then

factor in

> allergies and you have a real problem.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>