2-All, Mark Kincaid...5/26.....re....Finding Saturn's many blessings...and banishing....headaches, disease, forever!

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Dear Friends:

 

Please don't think my thoughts are being insensitive, regarding headaches and migranes, but ...

I think it may be helpful to understand that 'they'....are often due to Saturn....

in it's functional malefic mode...

 

The reason why this is important, is we need to discover how to live our lives more in-tune with Saturn....and as we do this...

 

then obstuctions, headaches,...pain of all kinds....will be less!

 

I used to have many more headaches....for a variety of reaons....

 

And when I finally began to figure Saturn out.... pain....finally started going away....

 

Now, when I feel the beginning of a headache or pressure coming back,...this time I immediately stop and realize....'woa!..... Saturn's telling me something....

and instead of keep going...I relax....

I take it more easy....till that 'symptom' of Saturn's imbalance....goes away!

 

The reason why it's sooooo difficult to get rid of headaches....or pain...

or dis-ease or disease...

 

is by the time, 'it'....has become chronic....we've been out of tune with Saturn for a long time,

and not hearing Saturn's earlier feedbacks....

 

now, we're due...for the more constant ones.....

 

So, it may take longer then we'd like....but this too, is to help us, really.... discover... the real importance of silence....

 

We mostly appreciate....activity...and the outer....

in life,...today....

 

And that's sooooo superficial... especially in terms...of Nature's unbounded silence.... potential!

 

We, Jyotish students..are prime....exponents....of Saturn's blessed silence...and peace....

 

May we all quickly discover.... how to live and breathe....in Saturn's blessings!

 

 

 

Jai Sani!

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

" Bettina " <chiria

 

Wed, 26 May 2004 17:34:52 -0700

 

RE: Greetings

 

 

Excedrin is VERY high in caffeine. To get off caffeine, you have to wean yourself, a little bit at a time. I find that taking the tablets is better than coffee, because coffee is very acidic which can make you feel weird in itself. Even decaf makes me feel a little weird, and I think it's the acidity. To get off caffeine, take a little less of a c. pill every day, or even every few days, till you're just having a minute fraction. Then ... nothing. Your friend might try that with the Excedrin tablets.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Patrice Curry [patricecurry]

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:55 PM

 

Re: Greetings

 

Hi Debra and Bettina,

 

Boy, you two have really been through it - awful. Migraines are crippling. I know that my friend, that has always suffered them and is having a terrible time getting free of caffeine, had trouble believing that she could be headache free after trying so many things and attending headache clinics, etc... I have found caffeine often to be a huge one for people to get away from, for improvement from migraines, but also a very difficult one to get off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so for many. None of the allopathic medicines or docs were able to help her, and she had done quite a bit over the years so it can feel defeating after trying it all. She relied on Excedrin to " just get through " these years for so long now. She has an addiction to it and it is very, very tough to break.

 

No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test done. I was though very freaked about needles, use to faint as a child when they gave me shots ;-) My experience though with the acupuncturist was that the needles were no problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt them. And I was freaked still about them a bit when I went in.

 

The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep and I was just finally so exhausted, and then ran into this situation so I tried it. I had been getting messages from people regarding how it really worked for frozen shoulders, and other positive feedback regarding acupuncture was coming at me from all directions ;-) so I finally just did it. It truly was amazing to then immediately begin sleeping again and the shoulder so much improved, no pain. All that remained was to work it and exercise it to regain my complete range of movement, which I'm now doing. The movement was also better right away following the acupuncture. Thanks for your kind wishes.

 

Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is my 2nd frozen shoulder and I hadn't tried it with my first (went to physical therapy on that one and it lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a minimum of a year) my shoulder just got stronger and stronger and the atrophy that happens went away completely, which is what causes much of the pain. For this one, astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left shoulder... My right shoulder happened yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting 3rd...

 

A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful books on women's health, one on menopause and has traveled the world to attend women's health gatherings as a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the government gives classes and courses regarding women's health. She said that frozen shoulders are in fact also a hormone related thing in many, many cases. Apparently in Japan where women don't suffer many of the symptoms that are common in the west of peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly they have a high incident of frozen shoulders... And as I spent important years for learning diet, cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in Hawaii, and am vegetarian, I very much have always had an Asian diet. I also haven't had the more common western symptoms.

 

I use homeopathy as well and have had good experience with it, especially in acute situations. It has also been helping my friend deal with the acute symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is actually a surprisingly amazingly strong drug after all, and she has experienced fevers, sick feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is helping her. I don't know if you've tried that as well Debra.

 

I will continue on another post regarding your questions on nakshatra books and medical astrology, some experiences and the way I started on it.. Yes! it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the info helpful and are getting the books, great! The purple one you mentioned is by Dennis Harness. Bepin Behari has written some good ones and also there are tapes. One of the best things too is in Parashara's Light, in the " Astrology Lessons " , there is all kinds of wonderful info on them there, even descriptions of all the deities of the nakshatras. All the basic books also give good basic info on them, such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens, and Defouw and Svoboda's Light on Life. More soon.

 

I must get to something here tonight so will return on this info asap.

 

Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for your sharing as well.

 

Kindest wishes,

 

Patrice

 

________________________________

 

Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

 

Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well. Keep us posted to your welfare.

 

I¹m racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations. Also, yes, there is a ch. Med dr 1Ž2 hour away. I think I will try and acupuncture possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done. It¹s where they stick you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve function is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the needles and its ensuing pain. But you know, there is just too many good things going on in alternative meds that I just can¹t ignore or not give priority attention too. Just think, pain free! Yeah! I¹ll settle for relief J

 

Charak is good. I am going to order this book too! I am fascinated with you work with the Nashastras. This is an area that I have not really investigated. But, maybe I should for better understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis. I would like to hear more. How did you start and go about it. Is there a book or reference to understand the Nashastra stars. I have one book. It is very small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need to go look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains this Vedic meaning of it¹s stars and I think there is something valid to it in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events. Also you study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see a lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of exploration, isn¹t it?!

 

Debra

Dear Deb and Patrice ...

 

Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They sound wretched. I would recommend rotating, and in your case, rotating everything. That's what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate grains, veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ... quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is really, really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol ever.

 

Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you ever been checked for candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could go to a naturopath. I believe in allopathic AND alternative medicine. Whatever works. Life is too precious to have it ruined by chronic pain. Do you still live in the Chicago area? There's probably a huge selection of alternative medical practioners there.

 

Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's great to be able to help each other out.

 

If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it would be " Don't take the bc pill! " . I think it's one thing that contributed to my migs, even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting getting really bad. My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your system, you become sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce yourself. Then you develop, in effect, an autoimmune response to them. Then factor in allergies and you have a real problem.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

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, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Friends:

>

> Please don't think my thoughts are being insensitive, regarding

headaches

> and migranes, but ...

> I think it may be helpful to understand that 'they'....are often

due to

> Saturn....

> in it's functional malefic mode...

>

> The reason why this is important, is we need to discover how to

live our

> lives more in-tune with Saturn....and as we do this...

>

> then obstuctions, headaches,...pain of all kinds....will be less!

>

 

 

 

Mark, how does one go about doing this - getting in tune with Saturn?

 

Debra......read below

 

 

> I used to have many more headaches....for a variety of reaons....

>

> And when I finally began to figure Saturn out.... pain....finally

started

> going away....

>

> Now, when I feel the beginning of a headache or pressure coming

back,...this

> time I immediately stop and realize....'woa!..... Saturn's telling

me

> something....

> and instead of keep going...I relax....

> I take it more easy....till that 'symptom' of Saturn's

imbalance....goes

> away!

>

> The reason why it's sooooo difficult to get rid of headaches....or

pain...

> or dis-ease or disease...

>

> is by the time, 'it'....has become chronic....we've been out of

tune with

> Saturn for a long time,

> and not hearing Saturn's earlier feedbacks....

>

> now, we're due...for the more constant ones.....

>

> So, it may take longer then we'd like....but this too, is to help

us,

> really.... discover... the real importance of silence....

>

> We mostly appreciate....activity...and the outer....

> in life,...today....

>

> And that's sooooo superficial... especially in terms...of Nature's

unbounded

> silence.... potential!

>

> We, Jyotish students..are prime....exponents....of Saturn's blessed

> silence...and peace....

>

> May we all quickly discover.... how to live and breathe....in

Saturn's

> blessings!

>

>

>

> Jai Sani!

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

>

> Wed, 26 May 2004 17:34:52 -0700

>

> RE: Greetings

>

>

> Excedrin is VERY high in caffeine. To get off caffeine, you have

to wean

> yourself, a little bit at a time. I find that taking the tablets

is better

> than coffee, because coffee is very acidic which can make you feel

weird in

> itself. Even decaf makes me feel a little weird, and I think

it's the

> acidity. To get off caffeine, take a little less of a c. pill

every day, or

> even every few days, till you're just having a minute fraction.

Then ...

> nothing. Your friend might try that with the Excedrin tablets.

>

>

> .... Bettina

>

>

>

>

> Patrice Curry [patricecurry@c...]

> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:55 PM

>

> Re: Greetings

>

> Hi Debra and Bettina,

>

> Boy, you two have really been through it - awful. Migraines are

crippling.

> I know that my friend, that has always suffered them and is having

a

> terrible time getting free of caffeine, had trouble believing that

she could

> be headache free after trying so many things and attending

headache clinics,

> etc... I have found caffeine often to be a huge one for people to

get away

> from, for improvement from migraines, but also a very difficult

one to get

> off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so for many. None of the

allopathic

> medicines or docs were able to help her, and she had done quite a

bit over

> the years so it can feel defeating after trying it all. She relied

on

> Excedrin to " just get through " these years for so long now. She

has an

> addiction to it and it is very, very tough to break.

>

> No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test done. I was though

very freaked

> about needles, use to faint as a child when they gave me shots ;-)

My

> experience though with the acupuncturist was that the needles were

no

> problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt them. And I was

freaked still

> about them a bit when I went in.

>

> The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep and I was just finally

so

> exhausted, and then ran into this situation so I tried it. I had

been

> getting messages from people regarding how it really worked for

frozen

> shoulders, and other positive feedback regarding acupuncture was

coming at

> me from all directions ;-) so I finally just did it. It truly was

amazing to

> then immediately begin sleeping again and the shoulder so much

improved, no

> pain. All that remained was to work it and exercise it to regain

my complete

> range of movement, which I'm now doing. The movement was also

better right

> away following the acupuncture. Thanks for your kind wishes.

>

> Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is my 2nd frozen

shoulder and I

> hadn't tried it with my first (went to physical therapy on that

one and it

> lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a minimum of a year) my

shoulder

> just got stronger and stronger and the atrophy that happens went

away

> completely, which is what causes much of the pain. For this one,

> astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left shoulder... My right

shoulder

> happened yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting 3rd...

>

> A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful books on women's

health, one on

> menopause and has traveled the world to attend women's health

gatherings as

> a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the government gives

classes and

> courses regarding women's health. She said that frozen shoulders

are in fact

> also a hormone related thing in many, many cases. Apparently in

Japan where

> women don't suffer many of the symptoms that are common in the

west of

> peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly they have a high

incident of

> frozen shoulders... And as I spent important years for learning

diet,

> cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in Hawaii, and am

vegetarian, I very

> much have always had an Asian diet. I also haven't had the more

common

> western symptoms.

>

> I use homeopathy as well and have had good experience with it,

especially in

> acute situations. It has also been helping my friend deal with the

acute

> symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is actually a surprisingly

> amazingly strong drug after all, and she has experienced fevers,

sick

> feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is helping her. I don't

know if

> you've tried that as well Debra.

>

> I will continue on another post regarding your questions on

nakshatra books

> and medical astrology, some experiences and the way I started on

it.. Yes!

> it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the info helpful and are

getting the

> books, great! The purple one you mentioned is by Dennis Harness.

Bepin

> Behari has written some good ones and also there are tapes. One of

the best

> things too is in Parashara's Light, in the " Astrology Lessons " ,

there is all

> kinds of wonderful info on them there, even descriptions of all

the deities

> of the nakshatras. All the basic books also give good basic info

on them,

> such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens, and Defouw and

Svoboda's Light

> on Life. More soon.

>

> I must get to something here tonight so will return on this info

asap.

>

> Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for your sharing as well.

>

> Kindest wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

> ________________________________

>

> Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

>

> Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well. Keep us

posted to your

> welfare.

>

> I¹m racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations.

Also, yes,

> there is a ch. Med dr 1Ž2 hour away. I think I will try and

acupuncture

> possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done. It¹s where

they stick

> you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve

function

> is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes to acupuncture, I

have been

> a little leery because of the needles and its ensuing pain. But

you know,

> there is just too many good things going on in alternative meds

that I just

> can¹t ignore or not give priority attention too. Just think, pain

free!

> Yeah! I¹ll settle for relief J

>

> Charak is good. I am going to order this book too! I am

fascinated with

> you work with the Nashastras. This is an area that I have not

really

> investigated. But, maybe I should for better understanding and

prediction.

> Or event synthesis. I would like to hear more. How did you

start and go

> about it. Is there a book or reference to understand the

Nashastra stars.

> I have one book. It is very small. Purple cover. Nashastra

title. Need

> to go look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that

explains

> this Vedic meaning of it¹s stars and I think there is something

valid to it

> in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events.

Also you

> study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where

you see a

> lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other

area of

> exploration, isn¹t it?!

>

> Debra

> Dear Deb and Patrice ...

>

> Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They sound

wretched. I

> would recommend rotating, and in your case, rotating everything.

That's

> what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate

grains,

> veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold

(strong

> cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no

yeast. Maybe

> no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried

before ...

> quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You

become

> adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty

type things

> ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special

treat. I

> also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like

sharp

> cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but

take a

> fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime.

Caffiene is

> really, really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No

alcohol ever.

>

> Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you ever been

checked for

> candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could go to a

naturopath. I

> believe in allopathic AND alternative medicine. Whatever works.

Life is

> too precious to have it ruined by chronic pain. Do you still live

in the

> Chicago area? There's probably a huge selection of alternative

medical

> practioners there.

>

> Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's great to

be able to

> help each other out.

>

> If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it would

be " Don't

> take the bc pill! " . I think it's one thing that contributed to my

migs,

> even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting getting

really bad.

> My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your system, you

become

> sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce

yourself. Then

> you develop, in effect, an autoimmune response to them. Then

factor in

> allergies and you have a real problem.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>