RE: 2-Bettina & All, Mark K.....5/23...Please specify if lookingthrough someone's West. or East. Charts...

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Hi, Mark ...

 

 

I'll try to distinguish between the 2 schools. I do use the transSaturnians, cuz I've found them to work. In the letter below are there instances of using Trop terms (aside from referring to Neptune?).

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Sunday, May 23, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: 2-Bettina & All, > Mark K.....5/23...Please specify if lookingthrough someone's West. or East. Charts...Dear Bettina & All:When you're describing someone's chart, I've been noticing you using sometimes Western terms, and or aspects and Planets, but it sometimes sounds like you're talking Jyotish, too.Can you please and everyone please be specific,....if we're looking at someone through their Western or Eastern charts....?Please say that.... otherwise there'll be too much confusion....That'll help us ....evolve...a sense how both systems.... are important and of value....Thanks...Mark K.

"Bettina" <chiria Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 22:31:00 -0700RE: Greetings

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body. The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.... Bettina

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: GreetingsHi Bettina, I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It¹s been some kind of week, hasn¹t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It¹s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother¹s group to join and collaborate. Didn¹t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom¹s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology ³keep you jazzed²!! After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don¹t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know. The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn¹t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don¹t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration ­ maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters. If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse). I don¹t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting. Debra Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.... Bettina Hello again, Mohish ...I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings. You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area. Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted. Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them. ... Bettina

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/