RE: 2-Bettina, & all: Mark K...5/22..... Aspects across signs- Or Bhava vs Rasi Charts....

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Dear

Bettina, Mark, MuMin and all

 

I am particularly

interested in this topic because I have several charts that have this unique

degree shift potential. Other than defining the ayanamsha one way over

another, I find this dilemma a very real impact on accuracy of a chart. Most

of the time the bhava chart will reassign a planet to another sign and house

but the Rashi degree obviously stays the same in sign and house on the cusp - with

defining the chart accurately, ambiguous. Ayanmasha can change the degree

placement but that’s not necessarily accurate either. I have

one chart in particular where the Moon is on the cusp at 0* Capricorn and Saturn

at 28* in another sign Libra. If one were to look at the bhava chart, one

would see that the Moon has moved backwards to Sagittarius and the Saturn has

moved ahead to Scorpio. There is enough degree change too within the

signs where the other planets are that the whole chart takes on a whole other

meaning. Which one is more accurate? If one were to change the

ayanamsha, then the Asc changes houses beside the Moon and Saturn.

YIKES. I think this is where the true experts in the field are different from

others being more accurate when they have the skills, the wisdom and the talent

to decipher the difference and know how to accurately interpret. Any suggestions?

7/3/1985 – 8:16am (CDT) – 87 W 48, 42 N 10 Lahiri Asc: Cancer

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:33

PM

 

 

2-Bettina, & all: > Mark K...5/22..... Re: Aspects across signs- Or Bhava

vs Rasi Charts....

 

Dear

Bettina & All:

 

This is a great question.

 

There is a wonderul difference between someone who's got their Rising Sign in

the lst degree of

Aries...and someone who's Rising....Signs.... at 29 degrees....

 

The system you mention, creating a first house, from that exact.... moment...

is called the Bhava

chart in Jyotish...

 

This is used especially when any planets are not within 15 degrees, either way

of the Rising Sign, exact degree...

 

This is expecially significant when people are born 'on the cusp' between 2

signs...

 

Because, quite often, planets will move into different houses, in the Bhava Chart,....

 

It's often looked at by any Astrologer... because it represents a subtlety....

that's very real....

 

The key, is to consider,....finding....if the different rules... fit you!

 

And if they do, which is the point of all these great Vedic Jyotish....

principles....

 

then, the subtleties.... of our unique charts....comes forward....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

" Bettina "

<chiria

 

Sat, 15 May 2004 21:09:27

-0700

 

RE:

Re: Aspects across signs

 

 

Thanks,

Therese. Now I'll have to try to apply that.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Therese Hamilton

[eastwest]

Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:39

PM

 

Re:

Aspects across signs

 

At

11:05 AM 5/15/04 -0700, Bettina wrote:

Dear Mu and Whoever Else Can Answer these Question

....

 

I have a question. Some Vedic astrologers

use the " sign as house " method

while others use the method of a house being 15 degs

on either side of the

cusp, and any planet in that 30 deg area is

considered to be in that house,

even if it's in a different sign from the one on

the cusp.

 

Here's an example: a young man has his Sun

in 1 deg of Leo. He has 26

degs of Cancer rising. Mu (and all), would

you consider that to be a first

house Sun, or a 2nd house Sun? Or ... a 2nd

house Sun which is nonetheless

cnj. the asc? Which system works best

for you folks out there?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bettina,

I use sign-as-house for the yogas, for example if

the lord of first is with

the lord of 9th, that is raja yoga. However, if

this conjunction happens to

be within 15 degrees of the 8th cusp, then the

yoga is weak because it's in

the 8th house. Or else it applies to 8th house

affairs.

An example of planet changing house is in the

chart of Paramahansa

Yogananda. Y had 6 Leo rising, Jupiter in 24

Pisces. Jupiter is the 8th

sign-as-house, but the 9th equal house. For a

spiritual guru, Jupiter in

9th is a better fit than Jupiter in the 8th.

However, Jupiter is strong in

its own sign, and *as lord of 5th*, Y had no

children. So in considering

planets as house lords, sign-as-house is

important. Taking the planet

alone, Jupiter in 9th is a better fit.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

>>Another question: do out of sign

asps work if they're major asps and

very close? I know that strict Vedic-ists

say no, but I'm not convinced

that they're correct. So, if Venus were in,

say, 29 degs of Aries and

Saturn in 1 deg Taurus, would they influence each

other or no?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I discovered something very interesting when I

studied a group of

earthquake and quake ingress charts a while ago.

(Some of these are posted

on

/ in the files section

in the Earthquake Charts folder. Very often the

critical quake aspects

crossed signs. For example the Sun might be in 29

Leo opposing Uranus at 1

Pisces. From this I concluded that aspects **do**

have effect across signs,

but they may be critical or unstable. The fact

that two planets are on sign

cusps would indicate change or instability.

Therese