On A Proper Understanding of The 4th and 9th Vedic Houses - Darshan

[Guest guest]

Hi Darshan,

 

Thanks for the compliments, I deeply appreciate them.

 

I will try to explain/answer the question you put to me on the houses

signifying mother and father.

 

The 4th house represents the mother. Therefore, if say, a Kapata Yoga

exists, which is formed by a strong malefic existing in the 4th,

while at the same time, the 4th lord is aspected by a malefic and

there is no mitigation by benefics, then we can reasonably assume

there to be a good deal of pain and the like concerning the mother in

some way. It could be that the mother was ill, or died early, or was

very abusive toward the native (think Mommy Dearest), etc. But in

some way, such a combination suggests that the native's innate sense

of happiness and peace of mind was greatly disturbed in some way in

their childhood and formative years, and almost always had something

to do with the mother.

 

If, in a male chart, the female factors, the Moon and/or Venus, are

also considerably damaged, it could lead that man toward having very

negative and strong feelings toward women in general. Take a look at

the charts of Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy, and you'll see what I

mean.

 

The 4th house represents the Mind, and as such, this house more than

any other will give intense clues as to the overall state of mind the

native has and is in. Disturbing influences such as Rahu in the 4th,

unchecked, can suggest the person needing to get counseling due to

lots of pain in some way in their growing up years. Letting go is

very difficult, and if they don't address these issues, it can have a

disasterous effect on their marital and relationship life later on.

Because all planets in Jyotish aspect the houses directly opposite

the one in which they are placed, such a disturbing influence in the

4th can have a deliterious effect on the career front as well.

 

Overall, a difficult 4th house usually indicates difficulty of the

native to get along with his/her mother.

 

Now, as for the father - the 9th house represents him. And like I

said earlier, if the 9th is damaged in some way - let's say it's a

Nirbhagya Yoga - it means that the native has trouble listening and

obeying the advice of gurus/teachers, will be irreligious, or, will

be duped by people putting themselves up as religious teachers. In

this society - the USA - this 9th house symbolism can be manifest in

the form of teachers, college professors, or anyone whom the native

considers to be in a position of authority and enlightenment. Since

the father is the first person with whom most of us will experience

in our lives in this way, the way he is seen in the chart via the 9th

house is very important.

 

I have noticed a great deal, that whenever the 9th lord is in the 8th

or 12th, or even to an extent the 6th house, the father either left

the home early on in the native's life in someway, or if he was there

he was very distant, kinda like in name only. This of course, puts a

tremendous strain on the native, because they cannot get what they

need in order to navigate life successfully, due to the father's

distance.

 

Because of the 9th house's natural link to God and a higher power,

this house speaks a great deal to a person's inherent amount of faith

and " higher " things. When a person's faith is not very strong, it

almost always is due to their having a very weak or in some case,

a " destroyed " 9th house, which means that the relationship with the

father was less than desirable.

 

In either case, the 4th or the 9th house, when either are afflicted,

or both, the answer is psychological counseling, along with spiritual

counseling, which the astrologer is uniquely qualified to do, because

they are in a position to see things that the psychologist and

preacher/imam/rabbi/priest cannot see. Because these two houses are

most in importance in a person's life, they are always among the

first houses I look to when assessing a chart for analysis in a

general way.

 

Hope this answers your questions a bit.

 

Salaam,

Mu

 

, " Darshan Pachapurkar "

<darshan_pac> wrote:

> Hi Mu'Min:

> u have very nicely explained about the effects of 9th house.

> Regarding father can u explain if ninth house or tenth house plays

a

> role in it. If 4th house is bad, does that mean the person doesnt

> have good relations with his mother..?

> Thanks

> Darshan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mu'Min:

Very nice explanation and i can sort of relate what u mean..

I'm a Cancer Asc.

Leo- Venus/ Moon

Virgo- Mercury

Libra- Rahu/ Sun

Pisces- Jupiter ®

Aries- Ketu

Gemini- Mars

 

I've wonderful parents but had too many problems in my education.

Some or other obstacle used to create problems and that used to take

me away from studies..I think that is indicated by 4th house rahu and

obstructed sun. My mom keeps a pretty good health but suffers from

minor problems like cough and cold etc. from time to time. I think in

my case its the 9th house that has saved me a lot.

 

, " MuMin Bey " <mumin_bey>

wrote:

> Hi Darshan,

>

> Thanks for the compliments, I deeply appreciate them.

>

> I will try to explain/answer the question you put to me on the

houses

> signifying mother and father.

>

> The 4th house represents the mother. Therefore, if say, a Kapata

Yoga

> exists, which is formed by a strong malefic existing in the 4th,

> while at the same time, the 4th lord is aspected by a malefic and

> there is no mitigation by benefics, then we can reasonably assume

> there to be a good deal of pain and the like concerning the mother

in

> some way. It could be that the mother was ill, or died early, or

was

> very abusive toward the native (think Mommy Dearest), etc. But in

> some way, such a combination suggests that the native's innate

sense

> of happiness and peace of mind was greatly disturbed in some way in

> their childhood and formative years, and almost always had

something

> to do with the mother.

>

> If, in a male chart, the female factors, the Moon and/or Venus, are

> also considerably damaged, it could lead that man toward having

very

> negative and strong feelings toward women in general. Take a look

at

> the charts of Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy, and you'll see what I

> mean.

>

> The 4th house represents the Mind, and as such, this house more

than

> any other will give intense clues as to the overall state of mind

the

> native has and is in. Disturbing influences such as Rahu in the

4th,

> unchecked, can suggest the person needing to get counseling due to

> lots of pain in some way in their growing up years. Letting go is

> very difficult, and if they don't address these issues, it can have

a

> disasterous effect on their marital and relationship life later on.

> Because all planets in Jyotish aspect the houses directly opposite

> the one in which they are placed, such a disturbing influence in

the

> 4th can have a deliterious effect on the career front as well.

>

> Overall, a difficult 4th house usually indicates difficulty of the

> native to get along with his/her mother.

>

> Now, as for the father - the 9th house represents him. And like I

> said earlier, if the 9th is damaged in some way - let's say it's a

> Nirbhagya Yoga - it means that the native has trouble listening and

> obeying the advice of gurus/teachers, will be irreligious, or, will

> be duped by people putting themselves up as religious teachers. In

> this society - the USA - this 9th house symbolism can be manifest

in

> the form of teachers, college professors, or anyone whom the native

> considers to be in a position of authority and enlightenment. Since

> the father is the first person with whom most of us will experience

> in our lives in this way, the way he is seen in the chart via the

9th

> house is very important.

>

> I have noticed a great deal, that whenever the 9th lord is in the

8th

> or 12th, or even to an extent the 6th house, the father either left

> the home early on in the native's life in someway, or if he was

there

> he was very distant, kinda like in name only. This of course, puts

a

> tremendous strain on the native, because they cannot get what they

> need in order to navigate life successfully, due to the father's

> distance.

>

> Because of the 9th house's natural link to God and a higher power,

> this house speaks a great deal to a person's inherent amount of

faith

> and " higher " things. When a person's faith is not very strong, it

> almost always is due to their having a very weak or in some case,

> a " destroyed " 9th house, which means that the relationship with the

> father was less than desirable.

>

> In either case, the 4th or the 9th house, when either are

afflicted,

> or both, the answer is psychological counseling, along with

spiritual

> counseling, which the astrologer is uniquely qualified to do,

because

> they are in a position to see things that the psychologist and

> preacher/imam/rabbi/priest cannot see. Because these two houses are

> most in importance in a person's life, they are always among the

> first houses I look to when assessing a chart for analysis in a

> general way.

>

> Hope this answers your questions a bit.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

> , " Darshan Pachapurkar "

> <darshan_pac> wrote:

> > Hi Mu'Min:

> > u have very nicely explained about the effects of 9th house.

> > Regarding father can u explain if ninth house or tenth house

plays

> a

> > role in it. If 4th house is bad, does that mean the person doesnt

> > have good relations with his mother..?

> > Thanks

> > Darshan

> >

[Guest guest]

By the way my saturn is in Cancer.

Thanks

Darshan

 

, " Darshan Pachapurkar "

<darshan_pac> wrote:

> Hi Mu'Min:

> Very nice explanation and i can sort of relate what u mean..

> I'm a Cancer Asc.

> Leo- Venus/ Moon

> Virgo- Mercury

> Libra- Rahu/ Sun

> Pisces- Jupiter ®

> Aries- Ketu

> Gemini- Mars

>

> I've wonderful parents but had too many problems in my education.

> Some or other obstacle used to create problems and that used to

take

> me away from studies..I think that is indicated by 4th house rahu

and

> obstructed sun. My mom keeps a pretty good health but suffers from

> minor problems like cough and cold etc. from time to time. I think

in

> my case its the 9th house that has saved me a lot.

>

> , " MuMin Bey "

<mumin_bey>

> wrote:

> > Hi Darshan,

> >

> > Thanks for the compliments, I deeply appreciate them.

> >

> > I will try to explain/answer the question you put to me on the

> houses

> > signifying mother and father.

> >

> > The 4th house represents the mother. Therefore, if say, a Kapata

> Yoga

> > exists, which is formed by a strong malefic existing in the 4th,

> > while at the same time, the 4th lord is aspected by a malefic and

> > there is no mitigation by benefics, then we can reasonably assume

> > there to be a good deal of pain and the like concerning the

mother

> in

> > some way. It could be that the mother was ill, or died early, or

> was

> > very abusive toward the native (think Mommy Dearest), etc. But in

> > some way, such a combination suggests that the native's innate

> sense

> > of happiness and peace of mind was greatly disturbed in some way

in

> > their childhood and formative years, and almost always had

> something

> > to do with the mother.

> >

> > If, in a male chart, the female factors, the Moon and/or Venus,

are

> > also considerably damaged, it could lead that man toward having

> very

> > negative and strong feelings toward women in general. Take a look

> at

> > the charts of Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy, and you'll see what I

> > mean.

> >

> > The 4th house represents the Mind, and as such, this house more

> than

> > any other will give intense clues as to the overall state of mind

> the

> > native has and is in. Disturbing influences such as Rahu in the

> 4th,

> > unchecked, can suggest the person needing to get counseling due

to

> > lots of pain in some way in their growing up years. Letting go is

> > very difficult, and if they don't address these issues, it can

have

> a

> > disasterous effect on their marital and relationship life later

on.

> > Because all planets in Jyotish aspect the houses directly

opposite

> > the one in which they are placed, such a disturbing influence in

> the

> > 4th can have a deliterious effect on the career front as well.

> >

> > Overall, a difficult 4th house usually indicates difficulty of

the

> > native to get along with his/her mother.

> >

> > Now, as for the father - the 9th house represents him. And like I

> > said earlier, if the 9th is damaged in some way - let's say it's

a

> > Nirbhagya Yoga - it means that the native has trouble listening

and

> > obeying the advice of gurus/teachers, will be irreligious, or,

will

> > be duped by people putting themselves up as religious teachers.

In

> > this society - the USA - this 9th house symbolism can be manifest

> in

> > the form of teachers, college professors, or anyone whom the

native

> > considers to be in a position of authority and enlightenment.

Since

> > the father is the first person with whom most of us will

experience

> > in our lives in this way, the way he is seen in the chart via the

> 9th

> > house is very important.

> >

> > I have noticed a great deal, that whenever the 9th lord is in the

> 8th

> > or 12th, or even to an extent the 6th house, the father either

left

> > the home early on in the native's life in someway, or if he was

> there

> > he was very distant, kinda like in name only. This of course,

puts

> a

> > tremendous strain on the native, because they cannot get what

they

> > need in order to navigate life successfully, due to the father's

> > distance.

> >

> > Because of the 9th house's natural link to God and a higher

power,

> > this house speaks a great deal to a person's inherent amount of

> faith

> > and " higher " things. When a person's faith is not very strong, it

> > almost always is due to their having a very weak or in some case,

> > a " destroyed " 9th house, which means that the relationship with

the

> > father was less than desirable.

> >

> > In either case, the 4th or the 9th house, when either are

> afflicted,

> > or both, the answer is psychological counseling, along with

> spiritual

> > counseling, which the astrologer is uniquely qualified to do,

> because

> > they are in a position to see things that the psychologist and

> > preacher/imam/rabbi/priest cannot see. Because these two houses

are

> > most in importance in a person's life, they are always among the

> > first houses I look to when assessing a chart for analysis in a

> > general way.

> >

> > Hope this answers your questions a bit.

> >

> > Salaam,

> > Mu

> >

> > , " Darshan Pachapurkar "

> > <darshan_pac> wrote:

> > > Hi Mu'Min:

> > > u have very nicely explained about the effects of 9th house.

> > > Regarding father can u explain if ninth house or tenth house

> plays

> > a

> > > role in it. If 4th house is bad, does that mean the person

doesnt

> > > have good relations with his mother..?

> > > Thanks

> > > Darshan

> > >