On A Proper Understanding of The Vedic Houses

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Hi All,

 

Just been sitting back reading the posts...

 

In order to fully understand the Vedic system of

astrology, you have to, in essence, think the way an

Indian thinks. And this is coming from one that is an

American (of African descent) and has an extensive

background in Western astrology, both traditional and

modern.

 

In my view, Vedic far surpasses the Western in terms

of richness with respect to the Houses of the chart.

 

 

Don't cheat yourself. Learn how to read the Vedic

chart in its original, pure forms. The North Indian

style closely resembles what many Western astrologers

are used to, because the houses stay fixed but the

signs move. Plus, the move right to left, like the

Western chart.

 

On the other hand, the South Indian format features a

style I like to call " hollywood sqaures " ; here, the

signs stay fixed, but the houses move.

 

Both formats are very helful in your work, and they

highlight certain things. One focuses on houses

themselves, the other focuses on signs.

 

Many Western astrologers don't understand the houses

in the way that the average Vedic astrologer does.

 

For example, in Vedic astrology, there is the

principle known as Bhavat Bhavam. In this principle, a

house carries double the meaning of the house upon

which it is based. For instance, the 11th house is 6

houses away from the 6th house. Therefore, the 11th

house carries much of the intrinsic meanings of the

6th house to begin with. Thus, you will understand why

so many of the classics say what they do in less than

positive terms about bodies being in the 11th. This is

Bhavat Bhavam.

 

Conversely, B can be used in a positive ways, as when

for example, the 9th house. It is 5 house ways from

the 5th house, which again, if you are familiar with

the basic meanings of the 5th house and what the

classics have to say about it, you see why the 9th

house is the single best house anyone can have in

their chart, all things being equal of course.

 

This principle does not exist in Western astrology.

 

The Maraka Houses - literally, killer houses - this

principle in Vedic astrology has no equivalent in WA

either.

 

If the 8th house is the house of longevity - and it is

- then the 7th house has to be the intrinsic loss of

that longevity, since the 7th is the 12th of the 8th.

The 8th house's reflection point is the 2nd house. 7th

house again. Also, the 2nd house represents anything

that supports the person - food, money, furnishings,

etc. For many people, illness and the like is as much

a matter of money as anything else. The 2nd house is a

7th house dynamic of the 8th house. Again WA can't

relate.

 

The 9th house in a Vedic chart is vitally important,

because it is recognized in that system to represent

the father principle, which is the protector and

teacher to the family which includes the children. In

the Western system, those in it who use the 10th house

use as their rationale that the 10th house takes it

cue from Saturn which rules it from the natural zodiac

point of view. Therefore, it represents authority,

etc. Not so from the Vedic perspective. The 9th house

represents guidance, and the principle guidance that

any of us gets in this life is from our father. It is

through him that we also get our first inkling of what

God is all about. When a person has a very difficult

9th house, the person more than likely has a difficult

relationship with the father, and as a result, a

difficult relationship with the Creator, not to

mention lacking in a major way in terms of the things

they need to understand life.

 

Both the Western and Vedic systems understand that the

4th house is extremely important in terms of

psychological and emotional health. But Vedic

astrology states very clearly, that a very disturbed

4th house is a major stumbling block to that person's

happiness. In fact, in a Vedic chart, the very first

house most jyotishis look to when assessing the chart

for psychological issues is the 4th.

 

While there is no specific house that denotes

intelligence per se in the Western system, in the

Vedic system, this would fall under the 5th house.

Indeed, I have seen many people who were of above

average intelligence just from looking at their 5th

houses alone.

 

This is only a smattering of the power of the Vedic

Houses in the chart. Those who would truly wish to

understand Jyotisha would be wise to fully embrace,

unlearn the Western astrology they have learned, and

let Vedic Astrology " seize " them.

 

Hope this exaplains things a bit.

 

Salaam,

Mu

 

Further suggested reading: Light on Life

 

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Dear Mu ...

 

 

Good letter. What you were saying about the 11th being the 6th from the 6th explains why it's considered good to have malefics in 11th, but benefics are somewhat thrown away there. Also, 11th is a Upashaya (sp?) hs, along with 3,6, and 10, and they're all considered good for malefics.

 

Sounds like you know your Vedic!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Mu'Min Bey [mumin_bey]Monday, April 26, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: On A Proper Understanding of The Vedic HousesHi All,Just been sitting back reading the posts...In order to fully understand the Vedic system ofastrology, you have to, in essence, think the way anIndian thinks. And this is coming from one that is anAmerican (of African descent) and has an extensivebackground in Western astrology, both traditional andmodern. In my view, Vedic far surpasses the Western in termsof richness with respect to the Houses of the chart. Don't cheat yourself. Learn how to read the Vedicchart in its original, pure forms. The North Indianstyle closely resembles what many Western astrologersare used to, because the houses stay fixed but thesigns move. Plus, the move right to left, like theWestern chart. On the other hand, the South Indian format features astyle I like to call "hollywood sqaures"; here, thesigns stay fixed, but the houses move. Both formats are very helful in your work, and theyhighlight certain things. One focuses on housesthemselves, the other focuses on signs. Many Western astrologers don't understand the housesin the way that the average Vedic astrologer does. For example, in Vedic astrology, there is theprinciple known as Bhavat Bhavam. In this principle, ahouse carries double the meaning of the house uponwhich it is based. For instance, the 11th house is 6houses away from the 6th house. Therefore, the 11thhouse carries much of the intrinsic meanings of the6th house to begin with. Thus, you will understand whyso many of the classics say what they do in less thanpositive terms about bodies being in the 11th. This isBhavat Bhavam. Conversely, B can be used in a positive ways, as whenfor example, the 9th house. It is 5 house ways fromthe 5th house, which again, if you are familiar withthe basic meanings of the 5th house and what theclassics have to say about it, you see why the 9thhouse is the single best house anyone can have intheir chart, all things being equal of course. This principle does not exist in Western astrology. The Maraka Houses - literally, killer houses - thisprinciple in Vedic astrology has no equivalent in WAeither. If the 8th house is the house of longevity - and it is- then the 7th house has to be the intrinsic loss ofthat longevity, since the 7th is the 12th of the 8th.The 8th house's reflection point is the 2nd house. 7thhouse again. Also, the 2nd house represents anythingthat supports the person - food, money, furnishings,etc. For many people, illness and the like is as mucha matter of money as anything else. The 2nd house is a7th house dynamic of the 8th house. Again WA can'trelate. The 9th house in a Vedic chart is vitally important,because it is recognized in that system to representthe father principle, which is the protector andteacher to the family which includes the children. Inthe Western system, those in it who use the 10th houseuse as their rationale that the 10th house takes itcue from Saturn which rules it from the natural zodiacpoint of view. Therefore, it represents authority,etc. Not so from the Vedic perspective. The 9th houserepresents guidance, and the principle guidance thatany of us gets in this life is from our father. It isthrough him that we also get our first inkling of whatGod is all about. When a person has a very difficult9th house, the person more than likely has a difficultrelationship with the father, and as a result, adifficult relationship with the Creator, not tomention lacking in a major way in terms of the thingsthey need to understand life. Both the Western and Vedic systems understand that the4th house is extremely important in terms ofpsychological and emotional health. But Vedicastrology states very clearly, that a very disturbed4th house is a major stumbling block to that person'shappiness. In fact, in a Vedic chart, the very firsthouse most jyotishis look to when assessing the chartfor psychological issues is the 4th. While there is no specific house that denotesintelligence per se in the Western system, in theVedic system, this would fall under the 5th house.Indeed, I have seen many people who were of aboveaverage intelligence just from looking at their 5thhouses alone. This is only a smattering of the power of the VedicHouses in the chart. Those who would truly wish tounderstand Jyotisha would be wise to fully embrace,unlearn the Western astrology they have learned, andlet Vedic Astrology "seize" them.Hope this exaplains things a bit.Salaam,MuFurther suggested reading: Light on Life=====Mu'Min M. BeyWestern and Vedic AstrologerCheck out my site:muminbey.tripod.com"The Future of Astrology, is Here..."AOL IM Screen Name: JediMuJoin the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

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Mu,

 

You have explained this very well. It's something I have to continually go

back and revise. After 30 years of western astrology, I've had to learn to

think in Vedic terms with houses - though I will say that I've always worked

my western charts more from houses than signs. I find some Vedic astrology

books by westerners sometimes muddle the houses with western ones so that

you get strange mixed meanings.

 

Flick.

Author website:

http://www.witchcraft.org/elenhawke.htm

 

 

On 27/4/04 12:52 am, " Mu'Min Bey " <mumin_bey wrote:

 

> Hi All,

>

> Just been sitting back reading the posts...

>

> In order to fully understand the Vedic system of

> astrology, you have to, in essence, think the way an

> Indian thinks. And this is coming from one that is an

> American (of African descent) and has an extensive

> background in Western astrology, both traditional and

> modern.

>

> In my view, Vedic far surpasses the Western in terms

> of richness with respect to the Houses of the chart.

>

>

> Don't cheat yourself. Learn how to read the Vedic

> chart in its original, pure forms. The North Indian

> style closely resembles what many Western astrologers

> are used to, because the houses stay fixed but the

> signs move. Plus, the move right to left, like the

> Western chart.

>

> On the other hand, the South Indian format features a

> style I like to call " hollywood sqaures " ; here, the

> signs stay fixed, but the houses move.

>

> Both formats are very helful in your work, and they

> highlight certain things. One focuses on houses

> themselves, the other focuses on signs.

>

> Many Western astrologers don't understand the houses

> in the way that the average Vedic astrologer does.

>

> For example, in Vedic astrology, there is the

> principle known as Bhavat Bhavam. In this principle, a

> house carries double the meaning of the house upon

> which it is based. For instance, the 11th house is 6

> houses away from the 6th house. Therefore, the 11th

> house carries much of the intrinsic meanings of the

> 6th house to begin with. Thus, you will understand why

> so many of the classics say what they do in less than

> positive terms about bodies being in the 11th. This is

> Bhavat Bhavam.

>

> Conversely, B can be used in a positive ways, as when

> for example, the 9th house. It is 5 house ways from

> the 5th house, which again, if you are familiar with

> the basic meanings of the 5th house and what the

> classics have to say about it, you see why the 9th

> house is the single best house anyone can have in

> their chart, all things being equal of course.

>

> This principle does not exist in Western astrology.

>

> The Maraka Houses - literally, killer houses - this

> principle in Vedic astrology has no equivalent in WA

> either.

>

> If the 8th house is the house of longevity - and it is

> - then the 7th house has to be the intrinsic loss of

> that longevity, since the 7th is the 12th of the 8th.

> The 8th house's reflection point is the 2nd house. 7th

> house again. Also, the 2nd house represents anything

> that supports the person - food, money, furnishings,

> etc. For many people, illness and the like is as much

> a matter of money as anything else. The 2nd house is a

> 7th house dynamic of the 8th house. Again WA can't

> relate.

>

> The 9th house in a Vedic chart is vitally important,

> because it is recognized in that system to represent

> the father principle, which is the protector and

> teacher to the family which includes the children. In

> the Western system, those in it who use the 10th house

> use as their rationale that the 10th house takes it

> cue from Saturn which rules it from the natural zodiac

> point of view. Therefore, it represents authority,

> etc. Not so from the Vedic perspective. The 9th house

> represents guidance, and the principle guidance that

> any of us gets in this life is from our father. It is

> through him that we also get our first inkling of what

> God is all about. When a person has a very difficult

> 9th house, the person more than likely has a difficult

> relationship with the father, and as a result, a

> difficult relationship with the Creator, not to

> mention lacking in a major way in terms of the things

> they need to understand life.

>

> Both the Western and Vedic systems understand that the

> 4th house is extremely important in terms of

> psychological and emotional health. But Vedic

> astrology states very clearly, that a very disturbed

> 4th house is a major stumbling block to that person's

> happiness. In fact, in a Vedic chart, the very first

> house most jyotishis look to when assessing the chart

> for psychological issues is the 4th.

>

> While there is no specific house that denotes

> intelligence per se in the Western system, in the

> Vedic system, this would fall under the 5th house.

> Indeed, I have seen many people who were of above

> average intelligence just from looking at their 5th

> houses alone.

>

> This is only a smattering of the power of the Vedic

> Houses in the chart. Those who would truly wish to

> understand Jyotisha would be wise to fully embrace,

> unlearn the Western astrology they have learned, and

> let Vedic Astrology " seize " them.

>

> Hope this exaplains things a bit.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

> Further suggested reading: Light on Life

[Guest guest]

>Also, 11th is a Upashaya (sp?) hs, along with

>

Upachaya ;-)

[Guest guest]

Hello Mu,

 

Your knowledge is a gift! Thank you very much for your explanation!

 

Anne

 

, Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey>

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Just been sitting back reading the posts...

>

> In order to fully understand the Vedic system of

> astrology, you have to, in essence, think the way an

> Indian thinks. And this is coming from one that is an

> American (of African descent) and has an extensive

> background in Western astrology, both traditional and

> modern.

>

> In my view, Vedic far surpasses the Western in terms

> of richness with respect to the Houses of the chart.

>

>

> Don't cheat yourself. Learn how to read the Vedic

> chart in its original, pure forms. The North Indian

> style closely resembles what many Western astrologers

> are used to, because the houses stay fixed but the

> signs move. Plus, the move right to left, like the

> Western chart.

>

> On the other hand, the South Indian format features a

> style I like to call " hollywood sqaures " ; here, the

> signs stay fixed, but the houses move.

>

> Both formats are very helful in your work, and they

> highlight certain things. One focuses on houses

> themselves, the other focuses on signs.

>

> Many Western astrologers don't understand the houses

> in the way that the average Vedic astrologer does.

>

> For example, in Vedic astrology, there is the

> principle known as Bhavat Bhavam. In this principle, a

> house carries double the meaning of the house upon

> which it is based. For instance, the 11th house is 6

> houses away from the 6th house. Therefore, the 11th

> house carries much of the intrinsic meanings of the

> 6th house to begin with. Thus, you will understand why

> so many of the classics say what they do in less than

> positive terms about bodies being in the 11th. This is

> Bhavat Bhavam.

>

> Conversely, B can be used in a positive ways, as when

> for example, the 9th house. It is 5 house ways from

> the 5th house, which again, if you are familiar with

> the basic meanings of the 5th house and what the

> classics have to say about it, you see why the 9th

> house is the single best house anyone can have in

> their chart, all things being equal of course.

>

> This principle does not exist in Western astrology.

>

> The Maraka Houses - literally, killer houses - this

> principle in Vedic astrology has no equivalent in WA

> either.

>

> If the 8th house is the house of longevity - and it is

> - then the 7th house has to be the intrinsic loss of

> that longevity, since the 7th is the 12th of the 8th.

> The 8th house's reflection point is the 2nd house. 7th

> house again. Also, the 2nd house represents anything

> that supports the person - food, money, furnishings,

> etc. For many people, illness and the like is as much

> a matter of money as anything else. The 2nd house is a

> 7th house dynamic of the 8th house. Again WA can't

> relate.

>

> The 9th house in a Vedic chart is vitally important,

> because it is recognized in that system to represent

> the father principle, which is the protector and

> teacher to the family which includes the children. In

> the Western system, those in it who use the 10th house

> use as their rationale that the 10th house takes it

> cue from Saturn which rules it from the natural zodiac

> point of view. Therefore, it represents authority,

> etc. Not so from the Vedic perspective. The 9th house

> represents guidance, and the principle guidance that

> any of us gets in this life is from our father. It is

> through him that we also get our first inkling of what

> God is all about. When a person has a very difficult

> 9th house, the person more than likely has a difficult

> relationship with the father, and as a result, a

> difficult relationship with the Creator, not to

> mention lacking in a major way in terms of the things

> they need to understand life.

>

> Both the Western and Vedic systems understand that the

> 4th house is extremely important in terms of

> psychological and emotional health. But Vedic

> astrology states very clearly, that a very disturbed

> 4th house is a major stumbling block to that person's

> happiness. In fact, in a Vedic chart, the very first

> house most jyotishis look to when assessing the chart

> for psychological issues is the 4th.

>

> While there is no specific house that denotes

> intelligence per se in the Western system, in the

> Vedic system, this would fall under the 5th house.

> Indeed, I have seen many people who were of above

> average intelligence just from looking at their 5th

> houses alone.

>

> This is only a smattering of the power of the Vedic

> Houses in the chart. Those who would truly wish to

> understand Jyotisha would be wise to fully embrace,

> unlearn the Western astrology they have learned, and

> let Vedic Astrology " seize " them.

>

> Hope this exaplains things a bit.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

> Further suggested reading: Light on Life

>

> =====

> Mu'Min M. Bey

> Western and Vedic Astrologer

> Check out my site:

> muminbey.tripod.com

> " The Future of Astrology, is Here... "

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[Guest guest]

Mu'Min, Salaam!!!

Good Post on Houses---could u explain then the 4th House (of Mother)

being 8th (malefic) from the 9th House (of Father) AND the 9th House

(of Father) being 6th (malefic) from the 4th House (of Mother)?

Will await ur reply.

Thanks, SAM

 

 

, Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey>

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Just been sitting back reading the posts...

>

> In order to fully understand the Vedic system of

> astrology, you have to, in essence, think the way an

> Indian thinks. And this is coming from one that is an

> American (of African descent) and has an extensive

> background in Western astrology, both traditional and

> modern.

>

> In my view, Vedic far surpasses the Western in terms

> of richness with respect to the Houses of the chart.

>

>

> Don't cheat yourself. Learn how to read the Vedic

> chart in its original, pure forms. The North Indian

> style closely resembles what many Western astrologers

> are used to, because the houses stay fixed but the

> signs move. Plus, the move right to left, like the

> Western chart.

>

> On the other hand, the South Indian format features a

> style I like to call " hollywood sqaures " ; here, the

> signs stay fixed, but the houses move.

>

> Both formats are very helful in your work, and they

> highlight certain things. One focuses on houses

> themselves, the other focuses on signs.

>

> Many Western astrologers don't understand the houses

> in the way that the average Vedic astrologer does.

>

> For example, in Vedic astrology, there is the

> principle known as Bhavat Bhavam. In this principle, a

> house carries double the meaning of the house upon

> which it is based. For instance, the 11th house is 6

> houses away from the 6th house. Therefore, the 11th

> house carries much of the intrinsic meanings of the

> 6th house to begin with. Thus, you will understand why

> so many of the classics say what they do in less than

> positive terms about bodies being in the 11th. This is

> Bhavat Bhavam.

>

> Conversely, B can be used in a positive ways, as when

> for example, the 9th house. It is 5 house ways from

> the 5th house, which again, if you are familiar with

> the basic meanings of the 5th house and what the

> classics have to say about it, you see why the 9th

> house is the single best house anyone can have in

> their chart, all things being equal of course.

>

> This principle does not exist in Western astrology.

>

> The Maraka Houses - literally, killer houses - this

> principle in Vedic astrology has no equivalent in WA

> either.

>

> If the 8th house is the house of longevity - and it is

> - then the 7th house has to be the intrinsic loss of

> that longevity, since the 7th is the 12th of the 8th.

> The 8th house's reflection point is the 2nd house. 7th

> house again. Also, the 2nd house represents anything

> that supports the person - food, money, furnishings,

> etc. For many people, illness and the like is as much

> a matter of money as anything else. The 2nd house is a

> 7th house dynamic of the 8th house. Again WA can't

> relate.

>

> The 9th house in a Vedic chart is vitally important,

> because it is recognized in that system to represent

> the father principle, which is the protector and

> teacher to the family which includes the children. In

> the Western system, those in it who use the 10th house

> use as their rationale that the 10th house takes it

> cue from Saturn which rules it from the natural zodiac

> point of view. Therefore, it represents authority,

> etc. Not so from the Vedic perspective. The 9th house

> represents guidance, and the principle guidance that

> any of us gets in this life is from our father. It is

> through him that we also get our first inkling of what

> God is all about. When a person has a very difficult

> 9th house, the person more than likely has a difficult

> relationship with the father, and as a result, a

> difficult relationship with the Creator, not to

> mention lacking in a major way in terms of the things

> they need to understand life.

>

> Both the Western and Vedic systems understand that the

> 4th house is extremely important in terms of

> psychological and emotional health. But Vedic

> astrology states very clearly, that a very disturbed

> 4th house is a major stumbling block to that person's

> happiness. In fact, in a Vedic chart, the very first

> house most jyotishis look to when assessing the chart

> for psychological issues is the 4th.

>

> While there is no specific house that denotes

> intelligence per se in the Western system, in the

> Vedic system, this would fall under the 5th house.

> Indeed, I have seen many people who were of above

> average intelligence just from looking at their 5th

> houses alone.

>

> This is only a smattering of the power of the Vedic

> Houses in the chart. Those who would truly wish to

> understand Jyotisha would be wise to fully embrace,

> unlearn the Western astrology they have learned, and

> let Vedic Astrology " seize " them.

>

> Hope this exaplains things a bit.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

> Further suggested reading: Light on Life

>

> =====

> Mu'Min M. Bey

> Western and Vedic Astrologer

> Check out my site:

> muminbey.tripod.com

> " The Future of Astrology, is Here... "

> AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu

> Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological

Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum-@t...

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