Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Bettina, that is so very interesting to hear about you and your daughter and your connection to each other, and obviously she was born to you exactly on your Uranus opposition. I am connected to my two with Uranus configured very importantly. In fact the Uranus theme continues with my grandson born almost four years ago. Natal Uranus exactly within one degree on my Sun and Diandra's Rahu exactly! In fact his solar moon this year is her natal Sun. I find all this stuff really amazing when I start looking at the patterns and love hearing about the patterns with others. Aimee and I have Uranus square, and Diandra, born a few weeks before I turned 40 was conceived when Chiron/Uranus exactly opposed my natal Uranus and even though I too, like you dreamed of her beforehand, including seeing her little rascal self smiling up at me, she was still a complete surprise; not as much as yours I bet since you had a tubal. I was a divorced Mom of a 19year old and happy to be free of raising a child by myself, and I did not have a relationship with the Dad at all, hence she does not either, which is sad for her. It all goes to show that karma wins. I dreamed of her for two years before she was conceived, but still did not believe she was really coming and certainly not as a single Mom, but...there it is, and she was/is a great joy in my life, despite the challenge now that she is a very strong and rebellious teen! You mention your angles being square each other. Again Bettina, same in my daughter's charts. One has a Scorpio MC almost exactly to the minute and degree of my Ascendant and the other has a Scorpio Nadir, three degrees compared to my 9 degrees but still in aspect. That too is strange I thought until I read about your mutual aspects with your daughter. I guess you had your son when you were very young since you ahve a 37 year old, as well as your daughter at age 40? That sounds like the same as mine too. What is your birth data, if you don't mind my asking? This is lots of fun, cheers, Morgana Quoting Bettina <chiria: > Hi, Morgana ... > > My daughter was born when I was 40 and we both have Moon/Uranus cnjs which > are almost exactly in opposition to each others. My Moon is 13 Taurus, > Uranus 20 Taurus, her Moon is 14 Scorpio, Uranus 20 Scorpio. Our ascs are > sq. with mine at 14 0r 15 Gemini and hers at 15 degreees Virgo (near my > Sun). Actually, we get along well, but every transit that hits one of us > hits the other one as well. We have a really close karmic connection. I > even met her in a dream before she was conceived. And she was a complete > surprise ... conceived after I'd had a tubal ligation. > > > ... Bettina > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM > > RE: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize. I > wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her > Uranus > also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has the > same > Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of sign, > so > it > was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still! Having > it on > an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's is > in her > 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that > degree and > future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his Mom, > Thanks for the info, cheers, Morgana > > Quoting Bettina <chiria: > > > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as > well > > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the > life > > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society, > you > > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working > on > > a > > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That > > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We > probably > > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh! > > > > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my > son, > > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of > death > > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a > > terrible fate). > > > > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto: > > aaaaaaaargh. > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM > > > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to > > have > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do > notice > > that we > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year > we > > have > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone > > else > > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over > thirty > > years) > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half > Dutch. > > She > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers > you > > have > > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult > to > > have a > > birth path with those numbers. > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am > > thinking > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would > disagree > > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for > sure, > > already walking the path. > > > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I > > have > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in > western, > > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the > JHora > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I > really > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to > > learning, > > even if they do not have the finances! > > > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my > > grandson's > > who > > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite > famous > > for > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including > Jupiter-saturn > > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her > descendant > > and > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I > am > > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd > and > > her > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, > > both > > of > > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom > it > > is > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all > those > > degrees > > are Western. > > > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her > Ascendant, > > but if > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she > hates > > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her > > Mars/Pluto > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in > Mexico > > right > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in > the > > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades > oppose > > Pluto > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her > > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and > > grandson) > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but > now > > that > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good > long > > one > > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was > > nerve-wracking > > so I > > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and > your > > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in > their > > > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed > their > > > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are > quite > > > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little > 'devils', > > > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon > in > > > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > > > > > say: > > > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > > > there > > > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful > and > > > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > > > Obviously > > > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you > mentioned? > > > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when > it > > > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any > good > > > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when > I > > > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > > > might > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to > set > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the > supposed > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi again, Morgana... I have 4 children, 2 sons from my first marriage and my 3rd son and daughter by my current one. I was 22 when my first child was born. That seems young now, at least in the USA, but at the time it was about average. My data: Oct. 5, 1944 / 22:51 / Providence, RI, USA / 41N49, 71W24. It should come out with14 degrees 52 mins (or close) on the asc. Sounds like our daughters were really eager to be here. .... Bettina morganaspirit [morganaspirit]Friday, April 23, 2004 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Uranus oppostions and birthBettina, that is so very interesting to hear about you and your daughter and your connection to each other, and obviously she was born to you exactly on your Uranus opposition. I am connected to my two with Uranus configured very importantly. In fact the Uranus theme continues with my grandson born almost four years ago. Natal Uranus exactly within one degree on my Sun and Diandra's Rahu exactly! In fact his solar moon this year is her natal Sun. I find all this stuff really amazing when I start looking at the patterns and love hearing about the patterns with others.Aimee and I have Uranus square, and Diandra, born a few weeks before I turned 40 was conceived when Chiron/Uranus exactly opposed my natal Uranus and even though I too, like you dreamed of her beforehand, including seeing her little rascal self smiling up at me, she was still a complete surprise; not as much as yours I bet since you had a tubal. I was a divorced Mom of a 19year old and happy to be free of raising a child by myself, and I did not have a relationship with the Dad at all, hence she does not either, which is sad for her. It all goes to show that karma wins. I dreamed of her for two years before she was conceived, but still did not believe she was really coming and certainly not as a single Mom, but...there it is, and she was/is a great joy in my life, despite the challenge now that she is a very strong and rebellious teen!You mention your angles being square each other. Again Bettina, same in my daughter's charts. One has a Scorpio MC almost exactly to the minute and degree of my Ascendant and the other has a Scorpio Nadir, three degrees compared to my 9 degrees but still in aspect. That too is strange I thought until I read about your mutual aspects with your daughter. I guess you had your son when you were very young since you ahve a 37 year old, as well as your daughter at age 40? That sounds like the same as mine too. What is your birth data, if you don't mind my asking?This is lots of fun, cheers, MorganaQuoting Bettina <chiria:> Hi, Morgana ...> > My daughter was born when I was 40 and we both have Moon/Uranus cnjs which> are almost exactly in opposition to each others. My Moon is 13 Taurus,> Uranus 20 Taurus, her Moon is 14 Scorpio, Uranus 20 Scorpio. Our ascs are> sq. with mine at 14 0r 15 Gemini and hers at 15 degreees Virgo (near my> Sun). Actually, we get along well, but every transit that hits one of us> hits the other one as well. We have a really close karmic connection. I> even met her in a dream before she was conceived. And she was a complete> surprise ... conceived after I'd had a tubal ligation.> > > ... Bettina> > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM> > RE: Re: your twins: Morgana> > > Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize. I> wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her> Uranus> also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has the> same> Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of sign,> so> it> was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still! Having> it on> an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's is> in her> 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that> degree and> future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his Mom,> Thanks for the info, cheers, Morgana> > Quoting Bettina <chiria:> > > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. as> well> > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took the> life> > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, society,> you> > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's working> on> > a> > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That> > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We> probably> > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh!> >> > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for my> son,> > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house of> death> > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for a> > terrible fate).> >> > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto:> > aaaaaaaargh.> >> >> > ... Bettina> >> >> >> > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM> > > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana> >> >> >> > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to> > have> > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do> notice> > that we> > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year> we> > have> > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone> > else> > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over> thirty> > years)> > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half> Dutch.> > She> > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers> you> > have> > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult> to> > have a> > birth path with those numbers.> > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am> > thinking> > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would> disagree> > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for> sure,> > already walking the path.> >> > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I> > have> > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in> western,> > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the> JHora> > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I> really> > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to> > learning,> > even if they do not have the finances!> >> > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my> > grandson's> > who> > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite> famous> > for> > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including> Jupiter-saturn> > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with> > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus> > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her> descendant> > and> > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I> am> > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd> and> > her> > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag,> > both> > of> > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom> it> > is> > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all> those> > degrees> > are Western.> >> > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her> Ascendant,> > but if> > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she> hates> > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her> > Mars/Pluto> > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in> Mexico> > right> > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in> the> > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades> oppose> > Pluto> > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her> > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and> > grandson)> > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but> now> > that> > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good> long> > one> > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was> > nerve-wracking> > so I> > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and> your> > babies, Morgaan> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa:> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Morgana,> > >> > >> > >> > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in> their> > >> > > charts?> > >> > >> > >> > > Anne> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , morgana> > >> > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > >> > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to> > >> > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred> > >> > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana> > >> > > >> > >> > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed> their> > >> > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are> quite> > >> > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little> 'devils',> > >> > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon> in> > >> > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are> > >> > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never> > >> > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they> > >> > > say:> > >> > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they> > >> > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe> > >> > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious> > >> > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some> > >> > > more.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Anne> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > , morgana> > >> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > >> > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my> > >> > > > bookcase):> > >> > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have> > >> > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs> > >> > > > one...which is good too by the way.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing,> > >> > > Moon> > >> > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are> > >> > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in> > >> > > there> > >> > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on> > >> > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful> and> > >> > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a> > >> > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am> > >> > > looking> > >> > > > at western, not having vedic software.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant!> > >> > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?> > >> > > Obviously> > >> > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to> have> > >> > > a> > >> > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at> > >> > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have> > >> > > to> > >> > > > think about that!> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > warm wishes, Morgana> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Hi Morgana,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you> mentioned?> > >> > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more> > >> > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when> it> > >> > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my> > >> > > moon> > >> > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically> > >> > > > changed> > >> > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in> > >> > > western> > >> > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to> > >> > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a> > >> > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any> good> > >> > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the> > >> > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest> > >> > > and> > >> > > > > Stephen Arroyo.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Anne> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > , morgana> > >> > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when> I> > >> > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet> > >> > > that> > >> > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always> > >> > > > good> > >> > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not> > >> > > recognize> > >> > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all> > >> > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that> > >> > > saturn> > >> > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge> > >> > > natal> > >> > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception> > >> > > with> > >> > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating> > >> > > > contemplation> > >> > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and> > >> > > might> > >> > > > I> > >> > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu> > >> > > are> > >> > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western> > >> > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but> I> > >> > > > > have> > >> > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to> set> > >> > > > my> > >> > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a> > >> > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you> > >> > > will> > >> > > > be> > >> > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about> > >> > > > what> > >> > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st> > >> > > > > house> > >> > > > > > in ashwini/aries.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Anne> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...>> > >> > > > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > guy. Certainly> > >> > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the> supposed> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > aspects.> > >> > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn> > >> > > > > > transits have> > >> > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something> > >> > > I've> > >> > > > > been> > >> > > > > > in a> > >> > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most> > >> > > > > > significant> > >> > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I> > >> > > like> > >> > > > > Liz> > >> > > > > > Greene's> > >> > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi Bettina, Well it took me long enough to do your chart on the computer; bet if I was still doing it by hand it would have been faster this time. I ended up downloading JJyotish last night, as well as JHora, and using both, trying to come up with 14 Gemini rising was a challenge. I had to do some fancy zone playing but finally the Moon was where it was supposed to be in degrees and the ascendant too. I must admit that I cannot make head nor tail of the vedic house placements yet, so refer to my old Western style, using Vedic degrees. The one thing that popped out at me is the obvious one of course your daughter's moon and Uranus right exactly on your equal house 5th at her birth. Obviously then Uranus on that cusp of your house would have caused that unexpected surprise for you. Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO much sense to me to discard. Thank you for sharing your birth data and I am going now back to traditional view in my Janus to really SEE your chart. You are right, these girls of ours really wanted to come to earth right then, warm wishes, Morgana Quoting Bettina <chiria: > Hi again, Morgana... > > > I have 4 children, 2 sons from my first marriage and my 3rd son and > daughter > by my current one. I was 22 when my first child was born. That seems > young > now, at least in the USA, but at the time it was about average. > > My data: Oct. 5, 1944 / 22:51 / Providence, RI, USA / 41N49, 71W24. It > should come out with14 degrees 52 mins (or close) on the asc. > > Sounds like our daughters were really eager to be here. > > > ... Bettina > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > Friday, April 23, 2004 5:19 PM > > RE: Uranus oppostions and birth > > > Bettina, that is so very interesting to hear about you and your daughter > and > your connection to each other, and obviously she was born to you exactly > on > your Uranus opposition. > > I am connected to my two with Uranus configured very importantly. In > fact > the > Uranus theme continues with my grandson born almost four years ago. > Natal > Uranus exactly within one degree on my Sun and Diandra's Rahu exactly! > In > fact his solar moon this year is her natal Sun. I find all this stuff > really > amazing when I start looking at the patterns and love hearing about the > patterns with others. > Aimee and I have Uranus square, and Diandra, born a few weeks before I > turned > 40 was conceived when Chiron/Uranus exactly opposed my natal Uranus and > even > though I too, like you dreamed of her beforehand, including seeing her > little > rascal self smiling up at me, she was still a complete surprise; not as > much as > yours I bet since you had a tubal. I was a divorced Mom of a 19year old > and > happy to be free of raising a child by myself, and I did not have a > relationship with the Dad at all, hence she does not either, which is sad > for > her. It all goes to show that karma wins. I dreamed of her for two > years > before she was conceived, but still did not believe she was really coming > and > certainly not as a single Mom, but...there it is, and she was/is a great > joy in > my life, despite the challenge now that she is a very strong and > rebellious > teen! > > You mention your angles being square each other. Again Bettina, same in > my > daughter's charts. One has a Scorpio MC almost exactly to the minute > and > degree of my Ascendant and the other has a Scorpio Nadir, three degrees > compared to my 9 degrees but still in aspect. That too is strange I > thought > until I read about your mutual aspects with your daughter. I guess you > had > your son when you were very young since you ahve a 37 year old, as well > as > your > daughter at age 40? That sounds like the same as mine too. What is > your > birth data, if you don't mind my asking? > > This is lots of fun, cheers, Morgana > > > Quoting Bettina <chiria: > > > Hi, Morgana ... > > > > My daughter was born when I was 40 and we both have Moon/Uranus cnjs > which > > are almost exactly in opposition to each others. My Moon is 13 > Taurus, > > Uranus 20 Taurus, her Moon is 14 Scorpio, Uranus 20 Scorpio. Our ascs > are > > sq. with mine at 14 0r 15 Gemini and hers at 15 degreees Virgo (near my > > Sun). Actually, we get along well, but every transit that hits one of > us > > hits the other one as well. We have a really close karmic connection. > I > > even met her in a dream before she was conceived. And she was a > complete > > surprise ... conceived after I'd had a tubal ligation. > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > RE: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > > > > Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize. > I > > wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her > > Uranus > > also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has > the > > same > > Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of > sign, > > so > > it > > was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still! > Having > > it on > > an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's > is > > in her > > 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that > > degree and > > future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his > Mom, > > Thanks for the info, cheers, Morgana > > > > Quoting Bettina <chiria: > > > > > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc. > as > > well > > > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took > the > > life > > > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents, > society, > > you > > > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's > working > > on > > > a > > > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That > > > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We > > probably > > > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh! > > > > > > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for > my > > son, > > > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house > of > > death > > > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for > a > > > terrible fate). > > > > > > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto: > > > aaaaaaaargh. > > > > > > > > > ... Bettina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit] > > > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't > appear > to > > > have > > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do > > notice > > > that we > > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each > year > > we > > > have > > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. > Anyone > > > else > > > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over > > thirty > > > years) > > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half > > Dutch. > > > She > > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power > numbers > > you > > > have > > > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is > difficult > > to > > > have a > > > birth path with those numbers. > > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I > am > > > thinking > > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would > > disagree > > > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction > for > > sure, > > > already walking the path. > > > > > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, > and I > > > have > > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in > > western, > > > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded > the > > JHora > > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I > > really > > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people > dedicated > to > > > learning, > > > even if they do not have the finances! > > > > > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my > > > grandson's > > > who > > > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite > > famous > > > for > > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including > > Jupiter-saturn > > > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > > > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her > > descendant > > > and > > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange > I > > am > > > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the > 2nd > > and > > > her > > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 > Sag, > > > both > > > of > > > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a > Mom > > it > > > is > > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all > > those > > > degrees > > > are Western. > > > > > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her > > Ascendant, > > > but if > > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means > she > > hates > > > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. > Her > > > Mars/Pluto > > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is > in > > Mexico > > > right > > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back > in > > the > > > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the > Mars/Hades > > oppose > > > Pluto > > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have > her > > > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and > > > grandson) > > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, > but > > now > > > that > > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a > good > > long > > > one > > > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was > > > nerve-wracking > > > so I > > > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you > and > > your > > > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in > > their > > > > > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, > blessings > to > > > > > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a > preferred > > > > > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed > > their > > > > > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are > > quite > > > > > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little > > 'devils', > > > > > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their > moon > > in > > > > > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There > are > > > > > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I > never > > > > > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and > they > > > > > > > > say: > > > > > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe > they > > > > > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or > maybe > > > > > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am > curious > > > > > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study > some > > > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I > have > > > > > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising > signs > > > > > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note > are > > > > > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod > in > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. > Mars > on > > > > > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. > Powerful > > and > > > > > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get > asked a > > > > > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being > significant! > > > > > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > > > > > Obviously > > > > > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to > > have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet > at > > > > > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will > have > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you > > mentioned? > > > > > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed > when > > it > > > > > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over > my > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I > have > to > > > > > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to > do a > > > > > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any > > good > > > > > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in > the > > > > > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen > Forrest > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn > when > > I > > > > > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the > Planet > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but > always > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They > all > > > > > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual > reception > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, > and > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How > Rahu/ketu > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to > western > > > > > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, > but > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning > to > > set > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is > in a > > > > > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, > you > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious > about > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the > 1st > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick > <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always > the > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the > > supposed > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with > something > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the > most > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. > I > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 On 24/4/04 10:26 am, " morganaspirit " <morganaspirit wrote: > Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another > dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO much sense to > me > to discard. Don't discard it. I've had in my hands recently the charts of my close friend's daughter (her father is Indian) and her Indian fiancé, done in India by his father: the Indian astrologer has used the outer planets with the rest of his Vedic calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi, Morgana, actually my daughter's Moon/Uranus is on my 6th cusp. She has Ketu, Sun, Moon, Uranus, and Mercury all in Scorpio in her 3rd, falling into my 6th. She's had some health probs which I already described, and raising her has been hard work at times (maybe that's my 6th), but I truly adore her. I know that we go way back. .... Bettina morganaspirit [morganaspirit]Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: RE: Uranus oppostions and birthHi Bettina, Well it took me long enough to do your chart on the computer; bet if I was still doing it by hand it would have been faster this time. I ended up downloading JJyotish last night, as well as JHora, and using both, trying to come up with 14 Gemini rising was a challenge. I had to do some fancy zone playing but finally the Moon was where it was supposed to be in degrees and the ascendant too. I must admit that I cannot make head nor tail of the vedic house placements yet, so refer to my old Western style, using Vedic degrees. The one thing that popped out at me is the obvious one of course your daughter's moon and Uranus right exactly on your equal house 5th at her birth. Obviously then Uranus on that cusp of your house would have caused that unexpected surprise for you. Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO much sense to me to discard. Thank you for sharing your birth data and I am going now back to traditional view in my Janus to really SEE your chart. You are right, these girls of ours really wanted to come to earth right then, warm wishes, MorganaQuoting Bettina <chiria:> Hi again, Morgana...> > > I have 4 children, 2 sons from my first marriage and my 3rd son and> daughter> by my current one. I was 22 when my first child was born. That seems> young> now, at least in the USA, but at the time it was about average.> > My data: Oct. 5, 1944 / 22:51 / Providence, RI, USA / 41N49, 71W24. It> should come out with14 degrees 52 mins (or close) on the asc.> > Sounds like our daughters were really eager to be here.> > > ... Bettina> > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> Friday, April 23, 2004 5:19 PM> > RE: Uranus oppostions and birth> > > Bettina, that is so very interesting to hear about you and your daughter> and> your connection to each other, and obviously she was born to you exactly> on> your Uranus opposition.> > I am connected to my two with Uranus configured very importantly. In> fact> the> Uranus theme continues with my grandson born almost four years ago. > Natal> Uranus exactly within one degree on my Sun and Diandra's Rahu exactly!> In> fact his solar moon this year is her natal Sun. I find all this stuff> really> amazing when I start looking at the patterns and love hearing about the> patterns with others.> Aimee and I have Uranus square, and Diandra, born a few weeks before I> turned> 40 was conceived when Chiron/Uranus exactly opposed my natal Uranus and> even> though I too, like you dreamed of her beforehand, including seeing her> little> rascal self smiling up at me, she was still a complete surprise; not as> much as> yours I bet since you had a tubal. I was a divorced Mom of a 19year old> and> happy to be free of raising a child by myself, and I did not have a> relationship with the Dad at all, hence she does not either, which is sad> for> her. It all goes to show that karma wins. I dreamed of her for two> years> before she was conceived, but still did not believe she was really coming> and> certainly not as a single Mom, but...there it is, and she was/is a great> joy in> my life, despite the challenge now that she is a very strong and> rebellious> teen!> > You mention your angles being square each other. Again Bettina, same in> my> daughter's charts. One has a Scorpio MC almost exactly to the minute> and> degree of my Ascendant and the other has a Scorpio Nadir, three degrees> compared to my 9 degrees but still in aspect. That too is strange I> thought> until I read about your mutual aspects with your daughter. I guess you> had> your son when you were very young since you ahve a 37 year old, as well> as> your> daughter at age 40? That sounds like the same as mine too. What is> your> birth data, if you don't mind my asking?> > This is lots of fun, cheers, Morgana> > > Quoting Bettina <chiria:> > > Hi, Morgana ...> >> > My daughter was born when I was 40 and we both have Moon/Uranus cnjs> which> > are almost exactly in opposition to each others. My Moon is 13> Taurus,> > Uranus 20 Taurus, her Moon is 14 Scorpio, Uranus 20 Scorpio. Our ascs> are> > sq. with mine at 14 0r 15 Gemini and hers at 15 degreees Virgo (near my> > Sun). Actually, we get along well, but every transit that hits one of> us> > hits the other one as well. We have a really close karmic connection.> I> > even met her in a dream before she was conceived. And she was a> complete> > surprise ... conceived after I'd had a tubal ligation.> >> >> > ... Bettina> >> >> >> > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:37 PM> > > > RE: Re: your twins: Morgana> >> >> > Hi Bettina, Poor you Bettina, and I as you realize can sympathize.> I> > wondered about Uranus and what it would mean and am seeing now! Her> > Uranus> > also opposes mine, and interesting my eldest who will be 34 soon has> the> > same> > Uranus-Pluto your son has, although hers is a 5-6° orb and out of> sign,> > so> > it> > was not so strong, or noticeable....although I do see it, still!> Having> > it on> > an angle in your son's case brings it to a power focus (my daughter's> is> > in her> > 3rd, so not) and I guess that is why he has gone on to focus on that> > degree and> > future. Yes, lucky his is also well aspected, for your sake as his> Mom,> > Thanks for the info, cheers, Morgana> >> > Quoting Bettina <chiria:> >> > > My oldest son is 37 now. He has Uranus and Pluto smack on his asc.> as> > well> > > as Sun and Mercury cnj. Rahu. He was so rebellious it almost took> the> > life> > > out of me. After years of going against everything, parents,> society,> > you> > > name it, he decided to go to college and get a degree; now he's> working> > on> > > a> > > master's and I've never seen anyone so dedicated to a goal. That> > > Pluto/Uranus cnj. of the mid and late sixties was a humdinger. We> > probably> > > can thank it for the Vietnam debacle. Ugh!> > >> > > The musician Kurt Cobain also had that cnj on the asc. Lucky for> my> > son,> > > his asc ruler is exalted in 9th. Cobain's was in 7th, Vedic house> of> > death> > > (like everything else, there has to be more than one indication for> a> > > terrible fate).> > >> > > Yes, Uranus can be very rebellious. But when mixed with Pluto:> > > aaaaaaaargh.> > >> > >> > > ... Bettina> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > morganaspirit [morganaspirit]> > > Friday, April 23, 2004 12:45 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: your twins: Morgana> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't> appear> to> > > have> > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do> > notice> > > that we> > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each> year> > we> > > have> > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird.> Anyone> > > else> > > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over> > thirty> > > years)> > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half> > Dutch.> > > She> > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power> numbers> > you> > > have> > > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is> difficult> > to> > > have a> > > birth path with those numbers.> > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I> am> > > thinking> > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would> > disagree> > > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction> for> > sure,> > > already walking the path.> > >> > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen,> and I> > > have> > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in> > western,> > > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded> the> > JHora> > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I> > really> > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people> dedicated> to> > > learning,> > > even if they do not have the finances!> > >> > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my> > > grandson's> > > who> > > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite> > famous> > > for> > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including> > Jupiter-saturn> > > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with> > > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus> > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her> > descendant> > > and> > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange> I> > am> > > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the> 2nd> > and> > > her> > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7> Sag,> > > both> > > of> > > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a> Mom> > it> > > is> > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all> > those> > > degrees> > > are Western.> > >> > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her> > Ascendant,> > > but if> > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means> she> > hates> > > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement.> Her> > > Mars/Pluto> > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is> in> > Mexico> > > right> > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back> in> > the> > > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the> Mars/Hades> > oppose> > > Pluto> > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have> her> > > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and> > > grandson)> > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally,> but> > now> > > that> > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a> good> > long> > > one> > > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was> > > nerve-wracking> > > so I> > > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you> and> > your> > > babies, Morgaan> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Morgana,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in> > their> > > >> > > > charts?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Anne> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , morgana> > > >> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals,> blessings> to> > > >> > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a> preferred> > > >> > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed> > their> > > >> > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are> > quite> > > >> > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little> > 'devils',> > > >> > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their> moon> > in> > > >> > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There> are> > > >> > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I> never> > > >> > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and> they> > > >> > > > say:> > > >> > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe> they> > > >> > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or> maybe> > > >> > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am> curious> > > >> > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study> some> > > >> > > > more.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Anne> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > , morgana> > > >> > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my> > > >> > > > > bookcase):> > > >> > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I> have> > > >> > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising> signs> > > >> > > > > one...which is good too by the way.> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing,> > > >> > > > Moon> > > >> > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note> are> > > >> > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod> in> > > >> > > > there> > > >> > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. > Mars> on> > > >> > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. > Powerful> > and> > > >> > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get> asked a> > > >> > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am> > > >> > > > looking> > > >> > > > > at western, not having vedic software.> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being> significant!> > > >> > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?> > > >> > > > Obviously> > > >> > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to> > have> > > >> > > > a> > > >> > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet> at> > > >> > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will> have> > > >> > > > to> > > >> > > > > think about that!> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > Hi Morgana,> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you> > mentioned?> > > >> > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more> > > >> > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed> when> > it> > > >> > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over> my> > > >> > > > moon> > > >> > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically> > > >> > > > > changed> > > >> > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in> > > >> > > > western> > > >> > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I> have> to> > > >> > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to> do a> > > >> > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any> > good> > > >> > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in> the> > > >> > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen> Forrest> > > >> > > > and> > > >> > > > > > Stephen Arroyo.> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Anne> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > , morgana> > > >> > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn> when> > I> > > >> > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the> Planet> > > >> > > > that> > > >> > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but> always> > > >> > > > > good> > > >> > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not> > > >> > > > recognize> > > >> > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They> all> > > >> > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that> > > >> > > > saturn> > > >> > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge> > > >> > > > natal> > > >> > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual> reception> > > >> > > > with> > > >> > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating> > > >> > > > > contemplation> > > >> > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data,> and> > > >> > > > might> > > >> > > > > I> > > >> > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How> Rahu/ketu> > > >> > > > are> > > >> > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to> western> > > >> > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits,> but> > I> > > >> > > > > > have> > > >> > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning> to> > set> > > >> > > > > my> > > >> > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is> in a> > > >> > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn,> you> > > >> > > > will> > > >> > > > > be> > > >> > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious> about> > > >> > > > > what> > > >> > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the> 1st> > > >> > > > > > house> > > >> > > > > > > in ashwini/aries.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Anne> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > , Flick> <rubysun@n...>> > > >> > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950>> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always> the> > > >> > > > > bad> > > >> > > > > > > guy. Certainly> > > >> > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the> > supposed> > > >> > > > > bad> > > >> > > > > > > aspects.> > > >> > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some> Saturn> > > >> > > > > > > transits have> > > >> > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with> something> > > >> > > > I've> > > >> > > > > > been> > > >> > > > > > > in a> > > >> > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the> most> > > >> > > > > > > significant> > > >> > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas.> I> > > >> > > > like> > > >> > > > > > Liz> > > >> > > > > > > Greene's> > > >> > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so> much.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 For all its virtues, Vedic doesn't like change. Guess that's why they don't use the transSaturnian planets. I can't imagine under standing a chart w/o them. .... Bettina Flick [rubysun]Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Uranus oppostions and birthOn 24/4/04 10:26 am, "morganaspirit" <morganaspiritwrote:> Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another> dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO much sense to> me > to discard. Don't discard it. I've had in my hands recently the charts of my closefriend's daughter (her father is Indian) and her Indian fiancé, done inIndia by his father: the Indian astrologer has used the outer planets withthe rest of his Vedic calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi Bettina, The course I'm doing encourages learning to interpret the chart using only traditional Vedic techniques, at first. Later there will be the inclusion of some western techniques, including the outer planets. The course was specifically designed for western astrologers who want to learn jyotish. I've found it very effective so far. It was probably easier for me to make the leap as I've never liked distorted houses systems such as Placidus and have always used equal house (after studying, reading about and experimenting with all the others). I think Indian astrologers are resistant to trying new things because they consider Vedic astrology to have been divinely inspired and transmitted to the sages. However, there is some evidence to suggest that use of sun sign characteristics, planetary zodiacal placements etc were grafted on later as a result of contact with Greek astrologers. Flick. Author website: http://www.witchcraft.org/elenhawke.htm On 24/4/04 6:27 pm, " Bettina " <chiria wrote: > For all its virtues, Vedic doesn't like change. Guess that's why they don't > use the transSaturnian planets. I can't imagine under standing a chart w/o > them. > > > ... Bettina > > Flick [rubysun] > Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:28 AM > > Re: Uranus oppostions and birth > > > On 24/4/04 10:26 am, " morganaspirit " <morganaspirit > wrote: > >> Of course Vedic does not use URANUS, another >> dilemna. mmm have to think about this because this makes TOO much > sense to >> me >> to discard. > > Don't discard it. I've had in my hands recently the charts of my close > friend's daughter (her father is Indian) and her Indian fiancé, done in > India by his father: the Indian astrologer has used the outer planets with > the rest of his Vedic calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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