Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hi Morgana, Thank you for your long reply ;-) I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the chart of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in. Ughhh... Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests, just to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can understand with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble in Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about her wonderfull stories :-) Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and esoterics, but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with so many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to grow before I am ready for that role.... I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks Morgana and Annie!!! Anne , morganaspirit@t... wrote: > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear to have > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do notice that we > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each year we have > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. Anyone else > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over thirty years) > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half Dutch. She > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power numbers you have > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is difficult to have a > birth path with those numbers. > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am thinking > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would disagree > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction for sure, > already walking the path. > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, and I have > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in western, > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the JHora > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I really > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated to learning, > even if they do not have the finances! > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my grandson's who > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite famous for > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter- saturn > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her descendant and > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange I am > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the 2nd and her > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 Sag, both of > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a Mom it is > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all those degrees > are Western. > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her Ascendant, but if > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she hates > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. Her Mars/Pluto > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in Mexico right > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in the > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades oppose Pluto > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have her > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and grandson) > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, but now that > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a good long one > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve- wracking so I > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you and your > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in their > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings to > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a preferred > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed their > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are quite > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing little 'devils', > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their moon in > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There are > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I never > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and they > > > > say: > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe they > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or maybe > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am curious > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study some > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I have > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising signs > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > Moon > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note are > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > there > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars on > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful and > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get asked a > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > looking > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being significant! > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > Obviously > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to have > > > > a > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet at > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will have > > > > to > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you mentioned? > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed when it > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over my > > > > moon > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > changed > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > western > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have to > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to do a > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any good > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in the > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen Forrest > > > > and > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn when I > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the Planet > > > > that > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but always > > > > > good > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > recognize > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They all > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > saturn > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > natal > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual reception > > > > with > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > might > > > > > I > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu > > > > are > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to western > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, but I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to set > > > > > my > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is in a > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious about > > > > > what > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the 1st > > > > > > house > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the > > > > > bad > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed > > > > > bad > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > I've > > > > > > been > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I > > > > like > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hi Anne, I am finally down here at the bottom of my inbox and am thinking I should have the ascending time coming into box instead of the other way around! Anyway, thank you for your acknowledgement of this aspect and yes, like you, I am very familiar with this energy. Pluto rules my western chart and the moon is widely conjunct that scorpio ascendant. It is tough to be sure! Yes, I am worried silly about what she is " up to " in Mexico without my watchful eye seeing all; in fact have dedicated my life so far to keeping her safe, which I could not do for the eldest, so yes, it is a worry! I have to trust that her higher self will protect her in the end, and that it knows best....eeeyiyiyi, not so easy. She will be home tomorrow. It will be a relief to have them all safely home because of the transiting configuration now of Venus/Mars/Hades oppose Pluto, exact tomorrow, although it is my eldest daughter who is greatly affected by this transit (venus does this next week exactly) Hope you are having the beginning of a great weekend and a peaceful healing one at that, Oh yes, I need to add here a meditation I do because I cannot do the body ones either...my own idea, but actually found out that the Rosicrucians do something similar. I discovered the open-eye meditation technique, channelling, seeing past lives etc, accidentally with a friend I worked with (meditation) about 15 years ago. We noticed that we were going into trance when we were really focused on our eyes during tarot readings. I need to have direct focused eye contact to hear...deaf in one ear.. and this is how it began. Anyway, that friendship ended and it was the meditation I missed more than anything else, so I decided to try meditating with myself...in the mirror, focusing on the third eye, and in the beginning my picture of the Christ that I had from Sai Baba...that didn't work, so I just focused on my third eye instead of his! It works Anne, as far as having a blissful and relaxing experience, but you have to be prepared to see your face shift and change and yes, disappear too in the light that is aroused. I wish I could develop this meditation further, but that is as far as I have got with it, my fear of channelling preventing me from entering those realms! The Rosicrucians must have more to it, but I have never studied with them. cheers, Morgana Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa: > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > Thank you for your long reply ;-) > > I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your > > mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the chart > > of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in. Ughhh... > > Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty > > frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests, just > > to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can understand > > with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble in > > Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about her > > wonderfull stories :-) > > > > Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and esoterics, > > but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high > > sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with so > > many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to grow > > before I am ready for that role.... > > > > I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks > > Morgana and Annie!!! > > > > Anne > > > , morganaspirit@t... wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear > > to have > > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do > > notice that we > > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each > > year we have > > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. > > Anyone else > > > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over > > thirty years) > > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half > > Dutch. She > > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power > > numbers you have > > > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is > > difficult to have a > > > birth path with those numbers. > > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am > > thinking > > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would > > disagree > > > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction > > for sure, > > > already walking the path. > > > > > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, > > and I have > > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in > > western, > > > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the > > JHora > > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I > > really > > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated > > to learning, > > > even if they do not have the finances! > > > > > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my > > grandson's who > > > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite > > famous for > > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter- > > saturn > > > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her > > descendant and > > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange > > I am > > > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the > > 2nd and her > > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 > > Sag, both of > > > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a > > Mom it is > > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all > > those degrees > > > are Western. > > > > > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her > > Ascendant, but if > > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she > > hates > > > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. > > Her Mars/Pluto > > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in > > Mexico right > > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in > > the > > > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades > > oppose Pluto > > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have > > her > > > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and > > grandson) > > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, > > but now that > > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a > > good long one > > > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve- > > wracking so I > > > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you > > and your > > > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in > > their > > > > > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings > > to > > > > > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a > > preferred > > > > > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed > > their > > > > > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are > > quite > > > > > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing > > little 'devils', > > > > > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their > > moon in > > > > > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There > > are > > > > > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I > > never > > > > > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and > > they > > > > > > > > say: > > > > > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe > > they > > > > > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or > > maybe > > > > > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am > > curious > > > > > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study > > some > > > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I > > have > > > > > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising > > signs > > > > > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note > > are > > > > > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars > > on > > > > > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful > > and > > > > > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get > > asked a > > > > > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being > > significant! > > > > > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > > > > > Obviously > > > > > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to > > have > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet > > at > > > > > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will > > have > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you > > mentioned? > > > > > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed > > when it > > > > > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over > > my > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have > > to > > > > > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to > > do a > > > > > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any > > good > > > > > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in > > the > > > > > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen > > Forrest > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn > > when I > > > > > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the > > Planet > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but > > always > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They > > all > > > > > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual > > reception > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How > > Rahu/ketu > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to > > western > > > > > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, > > but I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to > > set > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious > > about > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick > > <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always > > the > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the > > supposed > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the > > most > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. > > I > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Hi Morgana, I hope that your daughters are safe home now :-) By the way I will try your meditation this week. It is uncanny that you mentioned the rosicrucians, because I was in the meanwhile referring to another person about a book about rosicrucians. I don't know much about them, but I just asked some information about the free mansonry in the place where I m going to live this summer, which seems to be a derivate from the rosicrucian order. They also do a lot about astrology too, so when I am invited to one of their information meetings, I can keep youposted about what they discussed if you like. Anne , morganaspirit@t... wrote: > > Hi Anne, I am finally down here at the bottom of my inbox and am thinking I > should have the ascending time coming into box instead of the other way around! > > Anyway, thank you for your acknowledgement of this aspect and yes, like you, > I am very familiar with this energy. Pluto rules my western chart and the > moon is widely conjunct that scorpio ascendant. It is tough to be sure! > > Yes, I am worried silly about what she is " up to " in Mexico without my watchful > eye seeing all; in fact have dedicated my life so far to keeping her safe, > which I could not do for the eldest, so yes, it is a worry! I have to trust > that her higher self will protect her in the end, and that it knows > best....eeeyiyiyi, not so easy. She will be home tomorrow. It will be a > relief to have them all safely home because of the transiting configuration now > of Venus/Mars/Hades oppose Pluto, exact tomorrow, although it is my eldest > daughter who is greatly affected by this transit (venus does this next week > exactly) > Hope you are having the beginning of a great weekend and a peaceful healing one > at that, Oh yes, I need to add here a meditation I do because I cannot do the > body ones either...my own idea, but actually found out that the Rosicrucians do > something similar. > > I discovered the open-eye meditation technique, channelling, seeing past lives > etc, accidentally with a friend I worked with (meditation) about 15 years > ago. We noticed that we were going into trance when we were really focused > on our eyes during tarot readings. I need to have direct focused eye contact > to hear...deaf in one ear.. and this is how it began. Anyway, that friendship > ended and it was the meditation I missed more than anything else, so I decided > to try meditating with myself...in the mirror, focusing on the third eye, and > in the beginning my picture of the Christ that I had from Sai Baba...that > didn't work, so I just focused on my third eye instead of his! It works Anne, > as far as having a blissful and relaxing experience, but you have to be > prepared to see your face shift and change and yes, disappear too in the light > that is aroused. I wish I could develop this meditation further, but that is > as far as I have got with it, my fear of channelling preventing me from > entering those realms! The Rosicrucians must have more to it, but I have never > studied with them. cheers, Morgana > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your long reply ;-) > > > > I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your > > > > mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the chart > > > > of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in. Ughhh... > > > > Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty > > > > frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests, just > > > > to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can understand > > > > with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble in > > > > Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about her > > > > wonderfull stories :-) > > > > > > > > Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and esoterics, > > > > but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high > > > > sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with so > > > > many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to grow > > > > before I am ready for that role.... > > > > > > > > I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks > > > > Morgana and Annie!!! > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morganaspirit@t... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear > > > > to have > > > > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do > > > > notice that we > > > > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each > > > > year we have > > > > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird. > > > > Anyone else > > > > > notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over > > > > thirty years) > > > > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half > > > > Dutch. She > > > > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power > > > > numbers you have > > > > > by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is > > > > difficult to have a > > > > > birth path with those numbers. > > > > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am > > > > thinking > > > > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would > > > > disagree > > > > > intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction > > > > for sure, > > > > > already walking the path. > > > > > > > > > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen, > > > > and I have > > > > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in > > > > western, > > > > > although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the > > > > JHora > > > > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I > > > > really > > > > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated > > > > to learning, > > > > > even if they do not have the finances! > > > > > > > > > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my > > > > grandson's who > > > > > will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite > > > > famous for > > > > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter- > > > > saturn > > > > > conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with > > > > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus > > > > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her > > > > descendant and > > > > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange > > > > I am > > > > > thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the > > > > 2nd and her > > > > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7 > > > > Sag, both of > > > > > those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a > > > > Mom it is > > > > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all > > > > those degrees > > > > > are Western. > > > > > > > > > > Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her > > > > Ascendant, but if > > > > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she > > > > hates > > > > > Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. > > > > Her Mars/Pluto > > > > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in > > > > Mexico right > > > > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in > > > > the > > > > > country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades > > > > oppose Pluto > > > > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have > > > > her > > > > > home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and > > > > grandson) > > > > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally, > > > > but now that > > > > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a > > > > good long one > > > > > to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve- > > > > wracking so I > > > > > am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you > > > > and your > > > > > babies, Morgaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a > > > > preferred > > > > > > > > > > > > thought-form for sure! Have a good day, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing > > > > little 'devils', > > > > > > > > > > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their > > > > moon in > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > say: > > > > > > > > > > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am > > > > curious > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I think it is called, (without getting into my > > > > > > > > > > > > > bookcase): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn: A new look at an old Devil I am pretty sure I > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising > > > > signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > one...which is good too by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex. Mars > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant! Wow. Powerful > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get > > > > asked a > > > > > > > > > > > > > million questions every moment of the day! Of course I am > > > > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > at western, not having vedic software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being > > > > significant! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant? > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22/23 western. Well I guess that is my Mercury. Gee will > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > think about that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you > > > > mentioned? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in > > > > > > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to > > > > do a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen > > > > Forrest > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Arroyo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anne, I am referring to the western idea of Saturn > > > > when I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto. Jyotish does not > > > > > > > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them. They > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has been so nice to me. My natal Saturn is part of a huge > > > > > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual > > > > reception > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > contemplation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How > > > > Rahu/ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to > > > > western > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits, > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to > > > > set > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in ashwini/aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Flick > > > > <rubysun@n...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guy. Certainly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the > > > > supposed > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transits have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something > > > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greene's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so > > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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