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Hi Morgana,

 

Thank you for your long reply ;-)

I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your

mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the chart

of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in. Ughhh...

Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty

frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests, just

to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can understand

with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble in

Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about her

wonderfull stories :-)

 

Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and esoterics,

but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high

sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with so

many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to grow

before I am ready for that role....

 

I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks

Morgana and Annie!!!

 

Anne

 

 

 

 

, morganaspirit@t... wrote:

>

> Hi Anne, My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear

to have

> anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do

notice that we

> are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each

year we have

> the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird.

Anyone else

> notice that with their kids. My husband (divorced long ago, over

thirty years)

> had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half

Dutch. She

> was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date. Power

numbers you have

> by the way. Like Diandra who is 11/22/89. I think it is

difficult to have a

> birth path with those numbers.

> You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. I am

thinking

> spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would

disagree

> intensely with me on that one! I can see you in that direction

for sure,

> already walking the path.

>

> My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen,

and I have

> called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in

western,

> although I have not done her vedic one yet. I just downloaded the

JHora

> software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. I

really

> appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated

to learning,

> even if they do not have the finances!

>

> I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my

grandson's who

> will be four on May 5th. He was born on that day which was quite

famous for

> its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-

saturn

> conjunct. Diandra, my 14 year old was born with

uranus/neptune/saturn/venus

> conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her

descendant and

> Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC. Now that chart is very strange

I am

> thinking. Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the

2nd and her

> Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo. Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7

Sag, both of

> those in 11th. That is why I think her chart is strange. As a

Mom it is

> hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it. Of course all

those degrees

> are Western.

>

> Diandra is extremely rebellious. I guess it is Uranus on her

Ascendant, but if

> I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she

hates

> Astrology. She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement.

Her Mars/Pluto

> in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too. In fact she is in

Mexico right

> now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in

the

> country. Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades

oppose Pluto

> transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have

her

> home. In fact the three of them are there. (Two daughters and

grandson)

> Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally,

but now that

> I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a

good long one

> to recover. One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve-

wracking so I

> am glad the energy has shifted this week, warm wishes to you

and your

> babies, Morgaan

>

>

>

>

>

>

Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Morgana,

> >

> >

> >

> > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in

their

> >

> > charts?

> >

> >

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , morgana

> >

> > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings

to

> >

> > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a

preferred

> >

> > thought-form for sure!  Have a good day, Morgana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed

their

> >

> > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are

quite

> >

> > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing

little 'devils',

> >

> > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their

moon in

> >

> > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There

are

> >

> > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I

never

> >

> > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and

they

> >

> > say:

> >

> > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe

they

> >

> > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or

maybe

> >

> > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am

curious

> >

> > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study

some

> >

> > more.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Anne

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > , morgana

> >

> > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > > Hi Anne,   I think it is called, (without getting into my

> >

> > > bookcase):

> >

> > > > Saturn:   A new look at an old Devil   I am pretty sure I

have

> >

> > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising

signs

> >

> > > one...which is good too by the way.

> >

> > > > 

> >

> > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, 

> >

> > Moon

> >

> > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note

are

> >

> > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in

> >

> > there

> >

> > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex.    Mars

on

> >

> > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant!   Wow.   Powerful

and

> >

> > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get

asked a

> >

> > > million questions every moment of the day!    Of course I am

> >

> > looking

> >

> > > at western, not having vedic software.

> >

> > > > 

> >

> > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being

significant! 

> >

> > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?  

> >

> > Obviously

> >

> > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to

have

> >

> > a

> >

> > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet

at

> >

> > > 22/23 western.   Well I guess that is my Mercury.   Gee will

have

> >

> > to

> >

> > > think about that!

> >

> > > > 

> >

> > > > warm wishes, Morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > > Hi Morgana,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you

mentioned?

> >

> > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more

> >

> > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed

when it

> >

> > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over

my

> >

> > moon

> >

> > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically

> >

> > > changed

> >

> > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in

> >

> > western

> >

> > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have

to

> >

> > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to

do a

> >

> > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any

good

> >

> > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in

the

> >

> > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen

Forrest

> >

> > and

> >

> > > > Stephen Arroyo.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Anne

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > , morgana

> >

> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > > > Hi Anne,   I am referring to the western idea of Saturn

when I

> >

> > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the

Planet

> >

> > that

> >

> > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but

always

> >

> > > good

> >

> > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto.   Jyotish does not

> >

> > recognize

> >

> > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them.   They

all

> >

> > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that

> >

> > saturn

> >

> > > > has been so nice to me.   My natal Saturn is part of a huge

> >

> > natal

> >

> > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual

reception

> >

> > with

> >

> > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana

> >

> > > > > 

> >

> > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating

> >

> > > contemplation

> >

> > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and

> >

> > might

> >

> > > I

> >

> > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK  4/20.. ..re... How

Rahu/ketu

> >

> > are

> >

> > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to

western

> >

> > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits,

but I

> >

> > > > have

> >

> > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to

set

> >

> > > my

> >

> > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is

in a

> >

> > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you

> >

> > will

> >

> > > be

> >

> > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious

about

> >

> > > what

> >

> > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the

1st

> >

> > > > house

> >

> > > > > in ashwini/aries.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Anne

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > , Flick

<rubysun@n...>

> >

> > > > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950>

wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always

the

> >

> > > bad

> >

> > > > > guy.  Certainly

> >

> > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the

supposed

> >

> > > bad

> >

> > > > > aspects.

> >

> > > > > > > cheers, Morgana

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >  Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some

Saturn

> >

> > > > > transits have

> >

> > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something

> >

> > I've

> >

> > > > been

> >

> > > > > in a

> >

> > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the

most

> >

> > > > > significant

> >

> > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas.

I

> >

> > like

> >

> > > > Liz

> >

> > > > > Greene's

> >

> > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so

much.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

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Hi Anne, I am finally down here at the bottom of my inbox and am thinking I

should have the ascending time coming into box instead of the other way around!

 

Anyway, thank you for your acknowledgement of this aspect and yes, like you,

I am very familiar with this energy. Pluto rules my western chart and the

moon is widely conjunct that scorpio ascendant. It is tough to be sure!

 

Yes, I am worried silly about what she is " up to " in Mexico without my watchful

eye seeing all; in fact have dedicated my life so far to keeping her safe,

which I could not do for the eldest, so yes, it is a worry! I have to trust

that her higher self will protect her in the end, and that it knows

best....eeeyiyiyi, not so easy. She will be home tomorrow. It will be a

relief to have them all safely home because of the transiting configuration now

of Venus/Mars/Hades oppose Pluto, exact tomorrow, although it is my eldest

daughter who is greatly affected by this transit (venus does this next week

exactly)

Hope you are having the beginning of a great weekend and a peaceful healing one

at that, Oh yes, I need to add here a meditation I do because I cannot do the

body ones either...my own idea, but actually found out that the Rosicrucians do

something similar.

 

I discovered the open-eye meditation technique, channelling, seeing past lives

etc, accidentally with a friend I worked with (meditation) about 15 years

ago. We noticed that we were going into trance when we were really focused

on our eyes during tarot readings. I need to have direct focused eye contact

to hear...deaf in one ear.. and this is how it began. Anyway, that friendship

ended and it was the meditation I missed more than anything else, so I decided

to try meditating with myself...in the mirror, focusing on the third eye, and

in the beginning my picture of the Christ that I had from Sai Baba...that

didn't work, so I just focused on my third eye instead of his! It works Anne,

as far as having a blissful and relaxing experience, but you have to be

prepared to see your face shift and change and yes, disappear too in the light

that is aroused. I wish I could develop this meditation further, but that is

as far as I have got with it, my fear of channelling preventing me from

entering those realms! The Rosicrucians must have more to it, but I have never

studied with them. cheers, Morgana

 

Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa:

 

>

>

>

>

> Hi Morgana,

>

>

>

> Thank you for your long reply ;-)

>

> I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your

>

> mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the chart

>

> of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in. Ughhh...

>

> Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty

>

> frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests, just

>

> to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can understand

>

> with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble in

>

> Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about her

>

> wonderfull stories :-)

>

>

>

> Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and esoterics,

>

> but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high

>

> sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with so

>

> many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to grow

>

> before I am ready for that role....

>

>

>

> I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks

>

> Morgana and Annie!!!

>

>

>

> Anne

>

>

>

, morganaspirit@t... wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hi Anne,   My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't appear

>

> to have

>

> > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I do

>

> notice that we

>

> > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts each

>

> year we have

>

> > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird.  

>

> Anyone else

>

> > notice that with their kids.  My husband (divorced long ago, over

>

> thirty years)

>

> > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is half

>

> Dutch.  She

>

> > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date.   Power

>

> numbers you have

>

> > by the way.   Like Diandra who is 11/22/89.   I think it is

>

> difficult to have a

>

> > birth path with those numbers. 

>

> > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough.  I am

>

> thinking

>

> > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would

>

> disagree

>

> > intensely with me on that one!  I can see you in that direction

>

> for sure,

>

> > already walking the path.

>

> >

>

> > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a teen,

>

> and I have

>

> > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in

>

> western,

>

> > although I have not done her vedic one yet.  I just downloaded the

>

> JHora

>

> > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there.  I

>

> really

>

> > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people dedicated

>

> to learning,

>

> > even if they do not have the finances! 

>

> >

>

> > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and my

>

> grandson's who

>

> > will be four on May 5th.  He was born on that day which was quite

>

> famous for

>

> > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including Jupiter-

>

> saturn

>

> > conjunct.  Diandra, my 14 year old was born with

>

> uranus/neptune/saturn/venus

>

> > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her

>

> descendant and

>

> > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC.   Now that chart is very strange

>

> I am

>

> > thinking.   Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in the

>

> 2nd and her

>

> > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo.  Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury 7

>

> Sag, both of

>

> > those in 11th.   That is why I think her chart is strange.   As a

>

> Mom it is

>

> > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it.  Of course all

>

> those degrees

>

> > are Western.

>

> >

>

> > Diandra is extremely rebellious.  I guess it is Uranus on her

>

> Ascendant, but if

>

> > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means she

>

> hates

>

> > Astrology.   She is a handful!!! and that is an understatement. 

>

> Her Mars/Pluto

>

> > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too.  In fact she is in

>

> Mexico right

>

> > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her back in

>

> the

>

> > country.  Dire predictions out there right now with the Mars/Hades

>

> oppose Pluto

>

> > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to have

>

> her

>

> > home.  In fact the three of them are there.   (Two daughters and

>

> grandson)

>

> > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep finally,

>

> but now that

>

> > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need a

>

> good long one

>

> > to recover.  One to two hours since Janurary, every day was nerve-

>

> wracking so I

>

> > am glad the energy has shifted this week,    warm wishes to you

>

> and your

>

> > babies, Morgaan

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Hi Morgana,

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning in

>

> their

>

> > >

>

> > > charts?

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Anne

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > , morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals, blessings

>

> to

>

> > >

>

> > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a

>

> preferred

>

> > >

>

> > > thought-form for sure!  Have a good day, Morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also noticed

>

> their

>

> > >

>

> > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They are

>

> quite

>

> > >

>

> > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing

>

> little 'devils',

>

> > >

>

> > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their

>

> moon in

>

> > >

>

> > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!! There

>

> are

>

> > >

>

> > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who I

>

> never

>

> > >

>

> > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and

>

> they

>

> > >

>

> > > say:

>

> > >

>

> > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So maybe

>

> they

>

> > >

>

> > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-) Or

>

> maybe

>

> > >

>

> > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am

>

> curious

>

> > >

>

> > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study

>

> some

>

> > >

>

> > > more.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Anne

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > , morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Hi Anne,   I think it is called, (without getting into my

>

> > >

>

> > > > bookcase):

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Saturn:   A new look at an old Devil   I am pretty sure I

>

> have

>

> > >

>

> > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising

>

> signs

>

> > >

>

> > > > one...which is good too by the way.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > 

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are amazing, 

>

> > >

>

> > > Moon

>

> > >

>

> > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I note

>

> are

>

> > >

>

> > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a yod in

>

> > >

>

> > > there

>

> > >

>

> > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex.    Mars

>

> on

>

> > >

>

> > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant!   Wow.   Powerful

>

> and

>

> > >

>

> > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get

>

> asked a

>

> > >

>

> > > > million questions every moment of the day!    Of course I am

>

> > >

>

> > > looking

>

> > >

>

> > > > at western, not having vedic software.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > 

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being

>

> significant! 

>

> > >

>

> > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?  

>

> > >

>

> > > Obviously

>

> > >

>

> > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order to

>

> have

>

> > >

>

> > > a

>

> > >

>

> > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a planet

>

> at

>

> > >

>

> > > > 22/23 western.   Well I guess that is my Mercury.   Gee will

>

> have

>

> > >

>

> > > to

>

> > >

>

> > > > think about that!

>

> > >

>

> > > > > 

>

> > >

>

> > > > > warm wishes, Morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Hi Morgana,

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you

>

> mentioned?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives more

>

> > >

>

> > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed

>

> when it

>

> > >

>

> > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped over

>

> my

>

> > >

>

> > > moon

>

> > >

>

> > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it dramatically

>

> > >

>

> > > > changed

>

> > >

>

> > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house in

>

> > >

>

> > > western

>

> > >

>

> > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I have

>

> to

>

> > >

>

> > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need to

>

> do a

>

> > >

>

> > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend any

>

> good

>

> > >

>

> > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto in

>

> the

>

> > >

>

> > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen

>

> Forrest

>

> > >

>

> > > and

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Stephen Arroyo.

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Anne

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > , morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Hi Anne,   I am referring to the western idea of Saturn

>

> when I

>

> > >

>

> > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the

>

> Planet

>

> > >

>

> > > that

>

> > >

>

> > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but

>

> always

>

> > >

>

> > > > good

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto.   Jyotish does not

>

> > >

>

> > > recognize

>

> > >

>

> > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them.   They

>

> all

>

> > >

>

> > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy that

>

> > >

>

> > > saturn

>

> > >

>

> > > > > has been so nice to me.   My natal Saturn is part of a huge

>

> > >

>

> > > natal

>

> > >

>

> > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual

>

> reception

>

> > >

>

> > > with

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > 

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating

>

> > >

>

> > > > contemplation

>

> > >

>

> > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data, and

>

> > >

>

> > > might

>

> > >

>

> > > > I

>

> > >

>

> > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK  4/20.. ..re... How

>

> Rahu/ketu

>

> > >

>

> > > are

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to

>

> western

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting limits,

>

> but I

>

> > >

>

> > > > > have

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still learning to

>

> set

>

> > >

>

> > > > my

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always is

>

> in a

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn, you

>

> > >

>

> > > will

>

> > >

>

> > > > be

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am curious

>

> about

>

> > >

>

> > > > what

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in the

>

> 1st

>

> > >

>

> > > > > house

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > in ashwini/aries.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Anne

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > , Flick

>

> <rubysun@n...>

>

> > >

>

> > > > > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950>

>

> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always

>

> the

>

> > >

>

> > > > bad

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > guy.  Certainly

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the

>

> supposed

>

> > >

>

> > > > bad

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > aspects.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >  Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some

>

> Saturn

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > transits have

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something

>

> > >

>

> > > I've

>

> > >

>

> > > > > been

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > in a

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the

>

> most

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > significant

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas.

>

> I

>

> > >

>

> > > like

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Liz

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Greene's

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so

>

> much.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

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Hi Morgana,

 

I hope that your daughters are safe home now :-)

 

By the way I will try your meditation this week. It is uncanny that

you mentioned the rosicrucians, because I was in the meanwhile

referring to another person about a book about rosicrucians. I don't

know much about them, but I just asked some information about the

free mansonry in the place where I m going to live this summer,

which seems to be a derivate from the rosicrucian order. They also

do a lot about astrology too, so when I am invited to one of their

information meetings, I can keep youposted about what they discussed

if you like.

 

Anne

 

 

, morganaspirit@t... wrote:

>

> Hi Anne, I am finally down here at the bottom of my inbox and am

thinking I

> should have the ascending time coming into box instead of the

other way around!

>

> Anyway, thank you for your acknowledgement of this aspect and

yes, like you,

> I am very familiar with this energy. Pluto rules my western

chart and the

> moon is widely conjunct that scorpio ascendant. It is tough to

be sure!

>

> Yes, I am worried silly about what she is " up to " in Mexico

without my watchful

> eye seeing all; in fact have dedicated my life so far to keeping

her safe,

> which I could not do for the eldest, so yes, it is a worry! I

have to trust

> that her higher self will protect her in the end, and that it

knows

> best....eeeyiyiyi, not so easy. She will be home tomorrow. It

will be a

> relief to have them all safely home because of the transiting

configuration now

> of Venus/Mars/Hades oppose Pluto, exact tomorrow, although it is

my eldest

> daughter who is greatly affected by this transit (venus does

this next week

> exactly)

> Hope you are having the beginning of a great weekend and a

peaceful healing one

> at that, Oh yes, I need to add here a meditation I do because I

cannot do the

> body ones either...my own idea, but actually found out that the

Rosicrucians do

> something similar.

>

> I discovered the open-eye meditation technique, channelling,

seeing past lives

> etc, accidentally with a friend I worked with (meditation) about

15 years

> ago. We noticed that we were going into trance when we were

really focused

> on our eyes during tarot readings. I need to have direct focused

eye contact

> to hear...deaf in one ear.. and this is how it began. Anyway,

that friendship

> ended and it was the meditation I missed more than anything else,

so I decided

> to try meditating with myself...in the mirror, focusing on the

third eye, and

> in the beginning my picture of the Christ that I had from Sai

Baba...that

> didn't work, so I just focused on my third eye instead of his!

It works Anne,

> as far as having a blissful and relaxing experience, but you have

to be

> prepared to see your face shift and change and yes, disappear too

in the light

> that is aroused. I wish I could develop this meditation further,

but that is

> as far as I have got with it, my fear of channelling preventing me

from

> entering those realms! The Rosicrucians must have more to it, but

I have never

> studied with them. cheers, Morgana

>

> Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Morgana,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your long reply ;-)

> >

> > I can definitely understand why you have a handfull of your

> >

> > mars/pluto in scorpio daughter! I can allready see that in the

chart

> >

> > of my kids, wha have mars (12) and moon (1) in scorpio in.

Ughhh...

> >

> > Intense kids we have ;-)))) And I understand it can be pretty

> >

> > frustrating when she rebels against your astrology interests,

just

> >

> > to rebel.... I was rebellious too as a teenager. I can

understand

> >

> > with such a nature you are afraid that she may get into trouble

in

> >

> > Mexico? Fortunately she will be back soon and tell yualle about

her

> >

> > wonderfull stories :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes I am very interested in astrology,spirituality and

esoterics,

> >

> > but I can't see how I should be a leader or teacher. My high

> >

> > sensitive personality does not give me the strength to cope with

so

> >

> > many people. I understand that there is a lot to lean and to

grow

> >

> > before I am ready for that role....

> >

> >

> >

> > I will check out that link about the vedic software too. Thanks

> >

> > Morgana and Annie!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , morganaspirit@t...

wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hi Anne,   My eldest daughter to be 34 on June 25th doesn't

appear

> >

> > to have

> >

> > > anything too significant that I can see, although strangely I

do

> >

> > notice that we

> >

> > > are in the same mercury dasa and in our solar return charts

each

> >

> > year we have

> >

> > > the same solar moon and chart angles; now I find that weird.  

> >

> > Anyone else

> >

> > > notice that with their kids.  My husband (divorced long ago,

over

> >

> > thirty years)

> >

> > > had just emigrated from the Hague when I met him, so she is

half

> >

> > Dutch.  She

> >

> > > was born just a few months after your 11/11/69 date.   Power

> >

> > numbers you have

> >

> > > by the way.   Like Diandra who is 11/22/89.   I think it is

> >

> > difficult to have a

> >

> > > birth path with those numbers. 

> >

> > > You are destined to be teachers and leaders and it is tough. 

I am

> >

> > thinking

> >

> > > spiritual leaders and teachers no less, although Diandra would

> >

> > disagree

> >

> > > intensely with me on that one!  I can see you in that

direction

> >

> > for sure,

> >

> > > already walking the path.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > My youngest, I call my tweenie, because she is just now a

teen,

> >

> > and I have

> >

> > > called her tweenie for three years has an incredible chart in

> >

> > western,

> >

> > > although I have not done her vedic one yet.  I just downloaded

the

> >

> > JHora

> >

> > > software that Annie recommended and it looks good over there. 

I

> >

> > really

> >

> > > appreciate his attitude on giving his software to people

dedicated

> >

> > to learning,

> >

> > > even if they do not have the finances! 

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I will have to do up her vedic chart, both their charts, and

my

> >

> > grandson's who

> >

> > > will be four on May 5th.  He was born on that day which was

quite

> >

> > famous for

> >

> > > its line-up in Taurus; a huge cluster in Taurus, including

Jupiter-

> >

> > saturn

> >

> > > conjunct.  Diandra, my 14 year old was born with

> >

> > uranus/neptune/saturn/venus

> >

> > > conjunct her Capricorn ascendant, with Jupiter/Chiron on her

> >

> > descendant and

> >

> > > Mars/Pluto in Scorpio on her MC.   Now that chart is very

strange

> >

> > I am

> >

> > > thinking.   Her Rahu conjuncts my Sun, 20 degrees Aquarius in

the

> >

> > 2nd and her

> >

> > > Moon is in the 9th at 29 Virgo.  Her Sun is 0Sag25 and Mercury

7

> >

> > Sag, both of

> >

> > > those in 11th.   That is why I think her chart is strange.  

As a

> >

> > Mom it is

> >

> > > hard to figure out but I am slowly working on it.  Of course

all

> >

> > those degrees

> >

> > > are Western.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Diandra is extremely rebellious.  I guess it is Uranus on her

> >

> > Ascendant, but if

> >

> > > I am interested in ANYTHING at all she hates it, so that means

she

> >

> > hates

> >

> > > Astrology.   She is a handful!!! and that is an

understatement. 

> >

> > Her Mars/Pluto

> >

> > > in Scorpio on her MC kind of freaks me out too.  In fact she

is in

> >

> > Mexico right

> >

> > > now, returning tomorrow and I will breathe easier with her

back in

> >

> > the

> >

> > > country.  Dire predictions out there right now with the

Mars/Hades

> >

> > oppose Pluto

> >

> > > transit affecting US chart adversely, and I will be happy to

have

> >

> > her

> >

> > > home.  In fact the three of them are there.   (Two daughters

and

> >

> > grandson)

> >

> > > Well, I promised myself bed early and I am able to sleep

finally,

> >

> > but now that

> >

> > > I am having a decent few hours every day, I just seem to need

a

> >

> > good long one

> >

> > > to recover.  One to two hours since Janurary, every day was

nerve-

> >

> > wracking so I

> >

> > > am glad the energy has shifted this week,    warm wishes to

you

> >

> > and your

> >

> > > babies, Morgaan

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Quoting hagazussah <hagazussa@c...>:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Hi Morgana,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Do you have any children and did you find anything stunning

in

> >

> > their

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > charts?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Anne

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > , morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Anne I am glad you are enjoying your little rascals,

blessings

> >

> > to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > you and your handsome little boys. Fame over infamy is a

> >

> > preferred

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > thought-form for sure!  Have a good day, Morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:Hi Morgana,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Thank you for your interpretation :-)Yes I have also

noticed

> >

> > their

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > strong willed and charismatic little personalities. They

are

> >

> > quite

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > something and also very eye catching and outgoing

> >

> > little 'devils',

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > but cute and charming the hell out of everybody with their

> >

> > moon in

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > scorpio in 1. They are noticed by so many strangers!!!

There

> >

> > are

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > quite a lot of twins in my town, but a lot of people, who

I

> >

> > never

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > spoke to come to me (even when I am without the twins) and

> >

> > they

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > say:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > O you are the mommy of the cute little boy twins... So

maybe

> >

> > they

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > will turn into celebrities, talkshowhosts, who knows ;-)

Or

> >

> > maybe

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > become unfamous villans, with their mars in 12.... I am

> >

> > curious

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > about the vedic interpretations and nodes. So I will study

> >

> > some

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > more.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Anne

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > , morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Hi Anne,   I think it is called, (without getting into

my

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > bookcase):

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Saturn:   A new look at an old Devil   I am pretty sure

I

> >

> > have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Jeanne Avery's book you recommended as well as her rising

> >

> > signs

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > one...which is good too by the way.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I looked at the chart for your twin's and they are

amazing, 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Moon

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > on their ascendant, wide (western) 29 degrees....which I

note

> >

> > are

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > also the degrees of their Sun, an exact sextile, even a

yod in

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > there

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > too if you work with the hypothetical ones and Vertex.   

Mars

> >

> > on

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Ascendant, from 12 and Saturn on Descendant!   Wow.  

Powerful

> >

> > and

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > you are right, the third is very active, so I bet you get

> >

> > asked a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > million questions every moment of the day!    Of course I

am

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > looking

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > at western, not having vedic software.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I wonder if vedic system look at degrees as being

> >

> > significant! 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > Anybody know this and what do they consider significant?  

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Obviously

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > our 29 degrees is more like 5-6 degrees vedic, so in order

to

> >

> > have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > significant 29 degree of vedic we would have to have a

planet

> >

> > at

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > 22/23 western.   Well I guess that is my Mercury.   Gee

will

> >

> > have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > think about that!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > warm wishes, Morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Hi Morgana,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > What is the title of Liz Greenes book about saturn you

> >

> > mentioned?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > And pluto is in sagittarius right now. Yes pluto gives

more

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > dramatically impacts on people's life. So I have noticed

> >

> > when it

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > passed my sun. And yes about the twins: pluto creeped

over

> >

> > my

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > moon

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > when I got pregnant and gave birth to them: it

dramatically

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > changed

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > my work: yes because my moon is placed in my sixt house

in

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > western

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > astrology. In Jyotish my moon is in the 8th house, so I

have

> >

> > to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > figure out what that means too. I will defeinitely need

to

> >

> > do a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > course as soon as I have moved house. Can you recommend

any

> >

> > good

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > specific books about pluto? I have only read about Pluto

in

> >

> > the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > general books about planets and astrology from Stephen

> >

> > Forrest

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > and

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Stephen Arroyo.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Anne

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > , morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Hi Anne,   I am referring to the western idea of

Saturn

> >

> > when I

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > speak about it, or refer to Liz Greene's book, but the

> >

> > Planet

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > really causes dramatic shifts for me (mostly horrid, but

> >

> > always

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > good

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I guess to be transformed) is Pluto.   Jyotish does not

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > recognize

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > the outers, but I would always have to include them.  

They

> >

> > all

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > impact me in a huge way I have noticed, so I am happy

that

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > saturn

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > has been so nice to me.   My natal Saturn is part of a

huge

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > natal

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > configuration in my chart too...but it is in mutual

> >

> > reception

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > with

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Mercury adding to its flavour, cheers, Morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > 

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > (I am doing up the charts of the twins-a fascinating

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > contemplation

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > for me the moment I get a moment, thanks for their data,

and

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > might

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > I

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > add, NO WONDER you are experiencing burnout! M

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > hagazussah <hagazussa@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK  4/20.. ..re... How

> >

> > Rahu/ketu

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > are

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > beneficormalefic for a horoscope?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Hi Flick and Morgana,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Are you specifically referring to Jyotish or also to

> >

> > western

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > interpretations of saturn? Yes saturn is setting

limits,

> >

> > but I

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > noticed that I also need limits and I am still

learning to

> >

> > set

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > my

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > limits carefully, which is not so easy. Saturn always

is

> >

> > in a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > corrective mode. When you learn the lessons of saturn,

you

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > will

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > be

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > able to omit the things that are too much. I am

curious

> >

> > about

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > what

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > saturn has to say in my Jyotish chart, where it is in

the

> >

> > 1st

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > house

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > in ashwini/aries.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Anne

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > , Flick

> >

> > <rubysun@n...>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950>

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not

always

> >

> > the

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > bad

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > guy.  Certainly

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the

> >

> > supposed

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > bad

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > aspects.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > cheers, Morgana

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >  Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some

> >

> > Saturn

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > transits have

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with

something

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > I've

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > been

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > in a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the

> >

> > most

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > significant

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub

dasas.

> >

> > I

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > like

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Liz

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Greene's

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you

so

> >

> > much.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

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