Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery about saturn

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Hi Flick and Morgana,

 

I could also recommend Astrology and Your Past lives: exploring past

reincarnations through saturn's placement in your chart by Jeanne

Avery. It is quite profound too.

 

Anne

 

 

, morgana

<aquatiger1950> wrote:

> Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of my first

that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books, but

have other financial priorities right now....they are on the list,

but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I particularly

note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end

of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit than the

upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you daughter is

doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together. My old

guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken

him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up.

warm wishes, Morgana

>

> Flick <rubysun@n...> wrote:On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana "

<aquatiger1950> wrote:

>

> > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad

guy. Certainly

> > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad

aspects.

> > cheers, Morgana

>

> Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn

transits have

> been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been

in a

> hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most

significant

> achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz

Greene's

> take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne and all ...

 

 

Thanks for reminding me of the Liz Green book. I haven't looked at it in years but remember it as being very good.

 

I can speak with some experience about Saturn (in Gem) as it's plunk on my asc. and a forwards sq. (not as harsh as backwards) to my Sun, Mercury, Neptune. Sooo .... I'll tell you a little about myself. As a child I was painfully shy and physically and socially awkwark. I'd say there are 3 words that describe my childhood: lonely, boring, and borderline depressive (that's 4 words, but who's counting). My teens were esp. hard as I got picked on a lot. I was often overlooked, like being the only one not invited to a party, that sort of thing. As an adult life has been much better, though I'd still call myself a bit of a misfit (probably most astrologers are). Lucky for me in my early 20's I became interested in astr. and other metaphysical areas, and acquired a strong belief in reincarnation and karma, so everything began to make sense. At 59 I'm generally happy with my life. Not that it always goes smoothly, but I wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

 

A couple of other people I've known with Saturn on asc: one of my sons (who's Saturn is in Cancer) who has a marked learning disability and is having a hard time getting off the ground in life, and a young woman (also in Cancer) who's had a hard time managing her type I diabetes which she's had since age 7.

 

Right now I'm in Saturn's Dasha. It's been mixed. Saturn transits usually bring some kind of barrier or frustration. Right now Saturn is doing it's 2nd return, so of course it's also on my asc. I'm NOT looking forward to Mars being exactly cnj. both natal and transitting Saturn and nat. asc in the 2nd half of May. When it was sq. both nat and tran in Jan. I fell down and hurt my back, which is just now recovering.

 

Someone talked about Pluto transits being difficult. What I've noticed about Pluto is that it's not so bad UNLESS it's combined with Saturn, and then, watch out. Remember when they were opposed a couple of years back? My daughter had P on natal Moon is Scorpio and S opposed. I had the reverse, S on Moon, P opposed. She was very sick for about a half a year. She was diagnosed with clinical depression, but it went way beyond what most people think of as depression. She couldn't hold down food and for a while and vomited every time she ate (not deliberately), she had constant stomach aches, she had terrible nighmares and even hallucinated (not related to drugs). At the same time she had Neptune trans Mars, Pluto trans natal Uranus (which is cnj nat Moon), Sat. trans. nat Uranus, and Uranus trans. sq nat Sat. That's a once in a lifetime combo. She missed a half year of school and had to finish high shcool in a continuation school. Mine was much the same situation only flip-flopped, and my job was taking care of her throughout, finding medical professionals who could help, and worrying like I've never worried before in my life.

 

During the same general time frame my husband's 35 yr. old nephew died of heart failure. At the time of his death P was on his Sun and S opposed. He had a P, Sun, and S Tee sq. natally and it set it off. His mother, my sister-in-law, had S on her 5th ruler Jupiter and S opposed. His dad had S on 5th ruler Venus, S opposed. I knew many other people who suffered horribly from that transit.

 

When P was cnj. my nat Sun in the 70's and S was sextile, I came down with rheumatoid arthritis. The list goes on.

 

Whew!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

hagazussah [hagazussa]Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery about saturnwas: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?Hi Flick and Morgana,I could also recommend Astrology and Your Past lives: exploring past reincarnations through saturn's placement in your chart by Jeanne Avery. It is quite profound too.Anne , morgana <aquatiger1950> wrote:> Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of my first that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books, but have other financial priorities right now....they are on the list, but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I particularly note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together. My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up. warm wishes, Morgana> > Flick <rubysun@n...> wrote:On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly> > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects.> > cheers, Morgana> > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn transits have> been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been in a> hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most significant> achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz Greene's> take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> > > > >

[Guest guest]

You are right Bettina, Saturn is a nasty old codger for you and your family, and yes, affecting your chart along with Pluto is enough to take the wind right out of the sails of whomever is experiencing it. I sure hope you manage to get through the next double whammy okay!. Special prayers for you are in order to get through May and June I would think, cheers, MorganaBettina <chiria wrote:

 

Hi Anne and all ...

 

 

Thanks for reminding me of the Liz Green book. I haven't looked at it in years but remember it as being very good.

 

I can speak with some experience about Saturn (in Gem) as it's plunk on my asc. and a forwards sq. (not as harsh as backwards) to my Sun, Mercury, Neptune. Sooo .... I'll tell you a little about myself. As a child I was painfully shy and physically and socially awkwark. I'd say there are 3 words that describe my childhood: lonely, boring, and borderline depressive (that's 4 words, but who's counting). My teens were esp. hard as I got picked on a lot. I was often overlooked, like being the only one not invited to a party, that sort of thing. As an adult life has been much better, though I'd still call myself a bit of a misfit (probably most astrologers are). Lucky for me in my early 20's I became interested in astr. and other metaphysical areas, and acquired a strong belief in reincarnation and karma, so everything began to make sense. At 59 I'm generally happy with my

life. Not that it always goes smoothly, but I wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

 

A couple of other people I've known with Saturn on asc: one of my sons (who's Saturn is in Cancer) who has a marked learning disability and is having a hard time getting off the ground in life, and a young woman (also in Cancer) who's had a hard time managing her type I diabetes which she's had since age 7.

 

Right now I'm in Saturn's Dasha. It's been mixed. Saturn transits usually bring some kind of barrier or frustration. Right now Saturn is doing it's 2nd return, so of course it's also on my asc. I'm NOT looking forward to Mars being exactly cnj. both natal and transitting Saturn and nat. asc in the 2nd half of May. When it was sq. both nat and tran in Jan. I fell down and hurt my back, which is just now recovering.

 

Someone talked about Pluto transits being difficult. What I've noticed about Pluto is that it's not so bad UNLESS it's combined with Saturn, and then, watch out. Remember when they were opposed a couple of years back? My daughter had P on natal Moon is Scorpio and S opposed. I had the reverse, S on Moon, P opposed. She was very sick for about a half a year. She was diagnosed with clinical depression, but it went way beyond what most people think of as depression. She couldn't hold down food and for a while and vomited every time she ate (not deliberately), she had constant stomach aches, she had terrible nighmares and even hallucinated (not related to drugs). At the same time she had Neptune trans Mars, Pluto trans natal Uranus (which is cnj nat Moon), Sat. trans. nat Uranus, and Uranus trans. sq nat Sat. That's a once in a lifetime combo. She missed a

half year of school and had to finish high shcool in a continuation school. Mine was much the same situation only flip-flopped, and my job was taking care of her throughout, finding medical professionals who could help, and worrying like I've never worried before in my life.

 

During the same general time frame my husband's 35 yr. old nephew died of heart failure. At the time of his death P was on his Sun and S opposed. He had a P, Sun, and S Tee sq. natally and it set it off. His mother, my sister-in-law, had S on her 5th ruler Jupiter and S opposed. His dad had S on 5th ruler Venus, S opposed. I knew many other people who suffered horribly from that transit.

 

When P was cnj. my nat Sun in the 70's and S was sextile, I came down with rheumatoid arthritis. The list goes on.

 

Whew!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

hagazussah [hagazussa]Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery about saturnwas: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?Hi Flick and Morgana,I could also recommend Astrology and Your Past lives: exploring past reincarnations through saturn's placement in your chart by Jeanne Avery. It is quite profound too.Anne , morgana <aquatiger1950> wrote:> Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of my first that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books, but have other financial priorities right

now....they are on the list, but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I particularly note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together. My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up. warm wishes, Morgana> > Flick <rubysun@n...> wrote:On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly> > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects.> > cheers, Morgana> > Morgana, you are so

completely right. Although some Saturn transits have> been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been in a> hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most significant> achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz Greene's> take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Morgana! I really take transits seriously, but I've noticed that some people undergo what looks like major transits and not much happens.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

morgana [aquatiger1950]Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery about saturn

You are right Bettina, Saturn is a nasty old codger for you and your family, and yes, affecting your chart along with Pluto is enough to take the wind right out of the sails of whomever is experiencing it. I sure hope you manage to get through the next double whammy okay!. Special prayers for you are in order to get through May and June I would think, cheers, MorganaBettina <chiria wrote:

Hi Anne and all ...

 

 

Thanks for reminding me of the Liz Green book. I haven't looked at it in years but remember it as being very good.

 

I can speak with some experience about Saturn (in Gem) as it's plunk on my asc. and a forwards sq. (not as harsh as backwards) to my Sun, Mercury, Neptune. Sooo .... I'll tell you a little about myself. As a child I was painfully shy and physically and socially awkwark. I'd say there are 3 words that describe my childhood: lonely, boring, and borderline depressive (that's 4 words, but who's counting). My teens were esp. hard as I got picked on a lot. I was often overlooked, like being the only one not invited to a party, that sort of thing. As an adult life has been much better, though I'd still call myself a bit of a misfit (probably most astrologers are). Lucky for me in my early 20's I became interested in astr. and other metaphysical areas, and acquired a strong belief in reincarnation and karma, so everything began to make sense. At 59 I'm generally happy with my life. Not that it always goes smoothly, but I wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

 

A couple of other people I've known with Saturn on asc: one of my sons (who's Saturn is in Cancer) who has a marked learning disability and is having a hard time getting off the ground in life, and a young woman (also in Cancer) who's had a hard time managing her type I diabetes which she's had since age 7.

 

Right now I'm in Saturn's Dasha. It's been mixed. Saturn transits usually bring some kind of barrier or frustration. Right now Saturn is doing it's 2nd return, so of course it's also on my asc. I'm NOT looking forward to Mars being exactly cnj. both natal and transitting Saturn and nat. asc in the 2nd half of May. When it was sq. both nat and tran in Jan. I fell down and hurt my back, which is just now recovering.

 

Someone talked about Pluto transits being difficult. What I've noticed about Pluto is that it's not so bad UNLESS it's combined with Saturn, and then, watch out. Remember when they were opposed a couple of years back? My daughter had P on natal Moon is Scorpio and S opposed. I had the reverse, S on Moon, P opposed. She was very sick for about a half a year. She was diagnosed with clinical depression, but it went way beyond what most people think of as depression. She couldn't hold down food and for a while and vomited every time she ate (not deliberately), she had constant stomach aches, she had terrible nighmares and even hallucinated (not related to drugs). At the same time she had Neptune trans Mars, Pluto trans natal Uranus (which is cnj nat Moon), Sat. trans. nat Uranus, and Uranus trans. sq nat Sat. That's a once in a lifetime combo. She missed a half year of school and had to finish high shcool in a continuation school. Mine was much the same situation only flip-flopped, and my job was taking care of her throughout, finding medical professionals who could help, and worrying like I've never worried before in my life.

 

During the same general time frame my husband's 35 yr. old nephew died of heart failure. At the time of his death P was on his Sun and S opposed. He had a P, Sun, and S Tee sq. natally and it set it off. His mother, my sister-in-law, had S on her 5th ruler Jupiter and S opposed. His dad had S on 5th ruler Venus, S opposed. I knew many other people who suffered horribly from that transit.

 

When P was cnj. my nat Sun in the 70's and S was sextile, I came down with rheumatoid arthritis. The list goes on.

 

Whew!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

hagazussah [hagazussa]Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery about saturnwas: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?Hi Flick and Morgana,I could also recommend Astrology and Your Past lives: exploring past reincarnations through saturn's placement in your chart by Jeanne Avery. It is quite profound too.Anne , morgana <aquatiger1950> wrote:> Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of my first that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books, but have other financial priorities right now....they are on the list, but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I particularly note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together. My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up. warm wishes, Morgana> > Flick <rubysun@n...> wrote:On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950> wrote:> > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly> > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects.> > cheers, Morgana> > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn transits have> been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been in a> hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most significant> achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz Greene's> take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bettina,

 

I wish you good luck also with your transit combination!

Yes i remember my saturn return was difficult too, it came about the

same time when my pluto was crawling over my moon....

 

Anne

 

 

, " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Thanks, Morgana! I really take transits seriously, but I've

noticed that

> some people undergo what looks like major transits and not much

happens.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

> morgana [aquatiger1950]

> Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:56 PM

>

> RE: Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery

about

> saturn

>

>

> You are right Bettina, Saturn is a nasty old codger for you and

your

> family, and yes, affecting your chart along with Pluto is enough

to take the

> wind right out of the sails of whomever is experiencing it. I

sure hope

> you manage to get through the next double whammy okay!. Special

prayers

> for you are in order to get through May and June I would think,

cheers,

> Morgana

>

> Bettina <chiria@n...> wrote:

> Hi Anne and all ...

>

>

> Thanks for reminding me of the Liz Green book. I haven't

looked at it

> in years but remember it as being very good.

>

> I can speak with some experience about Saturn (in Gem) as it's

plunk on

> my asc. and a forwards sq. (not as harsh as backwards) to my Sun,

Mercury,

> Neptune. Sooo .... I'll tell you a little about myself. As a

child I was

> painfully shy and physically and socially awkwark. I'd say there

are 3

> words that describe my childhood: lonely, boring, and borderline

depressive

> (that's 4 words, but who's counting). My teens were esp. hard as

I got

> picked on a lot. I was often overlooked, like being the only one

not

> invited to a party, that sort of thing. As an adult life has been

much

> better, though I'd still call myself a bit of a misfit (probably

most

> astrologers are). Lucky for me in my early 20's I became

interested in

> astr. and other metaphysical areas, and acquired a strong belief in

> reincarnation and karma, so everything began to make sense. At 59

I'm

> generally happy with my life. Not that it always goes smoothly,

but I

> wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

>

> A couple of other people I've known with Saturn on asc: one

of my sons

> (who's Saturn is in Cancer) who has a marked learning disability

and is

> having a hard time getting off the ground in life, and a young

woman (also

> in Cancer) who's had a hard time managing her type I diabetes

which she's

> had since age 7.

>

> Right now I'm in Saturn's Dasha. It's been mixed. Saturn

transits

> usually bring some kind of barrier or frustration. Right now

Saturn is

> doing it's 2nd return, so of course it's also on my asc. I'm NOT

looking

> forward to Mars being exactly cnj. both natal and transitting

Saturn and

> nat. asc in the 2nd half of May. When it was sq. both nat and

tran in Jan.

> I fell down and hurt my back, which is just now recovering.

>

> Someone talked about Pluto transits being difficult. What

I've noticed

> about Pluto is that it's not so bad UNLESS it's combined with

Saturn, and

> then, watch out. Remember when they were opposed a couple of

years back?

> My daughter had P on natal Moon is Scorpio and S opposed. I had

the

> reverse, S on Moon, P opposed. She was very sick for about a half

a year.

> She was diagnosed with clinical depression, but it went way beyond

what most

> people think of as depression. She couldn't hold down food and

for a while

> and vomited every time she ate (not deliberately), she had

constant stomach

> aches, she had terrible nighmares and even hallucinated (not

related to

> drugs). At the same time she had Neptune trans Mars, Pluto trans

natal

> Uranus (which is cnj nat Moon), Sat. trans. nat Uranus, and Uranus

trans. sq

> nat Sat. That's a once in a lifetime combo. She missed a half

year of

> school and had to finish high shcool in a continuation school.

Mine was

> much the same situation only flip-flopped, and my job was taking

care of her

> throughout, finding medical professionals who could help, and

worrying like

> I've never worried before in my life.

>

> During the same general time frame my husband's 35 yr. old

nephew died

> of heart failure. At the time of his death P was on his Sun and S

opposed.

> He had a P, Sun, and S Tee sq. natally and it set it off. His

mother, my

> sister-in-law, had S on her 5th ruler Jupiter and S opposed. His

dad had S

> on 5th ruler Venus, S opposed. I knew many other people who

suffered

> horribly from that transit.

>

> When P was cnj. my nat Sun in the 70's and S was sextile, I

came down

> with rheumatoid arthritis. The list goes on.

>

> Whew!

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

> hagazussah [hagazussa@c...]

> Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:49 AM

>

> Flick and Morgana: Jeanne Avery

about

> saturn

>

>

> was: Re: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu

are

> beneficormalefic for a horoscope?

>

> Hi Flick and Morgana,

>

> I could also recommend Astrology and Your Past lives:

exploring past

> reincarnations through saturn's placement in your chart by

Jeanne

> Avery. It is quite profound too.

>

> Anne

>

>

> , morgana

> <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> > Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of

my first

> that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books,

but

> have other financial priorities right now....they are on the

list,

> but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I

particularly

> note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc

the end

> of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit

than the

> upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you

daughter is

> doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together.

My old

> guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has

taken

> him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all

grown up.

> warm wishes, Morgana

> >

> > Flick <rubysun@n...> wrote:On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana "

> <aquatiger1950> wrote:

> >

> > > I really have to state here that Saturn is not always

the bad

> guy. Certainly

> > > in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the

supposed bad

> aspects.

> > > cheers, Morgana

> >

> > Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn

> transits have

> > been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something

I've been

> in a

> > hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most

> significant

> > achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I

like Liz

> Greene's

> > take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >