RE: 2-Bettina, & all: MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?

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Dear Mark ...

 

 

Thank you for your response. Wow, what a great place for learning this board is!

 

I do think that though anyone has the potential to be "conscious" and change their life, for a lot of people it's unlikely that they will (during any one particular life), because we're all living in our own realities, and our own realities seem right to us. I think we have to start to feel really uncomfortable to want to change (hooray for Saturn!).

 

Let me think of an example. A person who has strong racial prejudices will think that that is the correct way to be, that that's the way God wants us to be, that that indeed is the way God him/herself is, that anyone who doesn't think that way is way off track. Oftentimes a person with these beliefs will even attract negative experiences with the group that they dislike, thereby convincing themselves further that they were right all along. Then in some lifetime in some century in some millennium they'll have an experience that will turn them around and make them rethink their beliefs.

 

Some people are destined to be "stuck" for many lives before they become "unstuck".

 

Now back to Rahu, something I think you said a while back (maybe it was somebody else), but now I can't find it so I have to put it in my own words is Rahu is where we think of ourselves as God (in that we can do no wrong in that area). That's why R tends to trip us up. Many of the cult leaders who've made the headlines in the past several decades have had strong Rs, cnj one of the lights or the asc. Maybe R is where we think we ARE God and K is where we dissolve into God (or the universe, or our surroundings) and lose our sense of individual ego. R is kind of like the young child who still sees himself as being in control of the his world (by screaming, demanding, or just wishing) and K is like the old person who knows they'll be going out soon and nothing really matters all that much.

 

A thought on Saturn: it's where we feel the weakest, so we either give in to that weakness or overcompensate. People with it close to the asc. seem to either pay copious amounts of attention to their physical bodies (lots of vitamins and supplements and exercise), or let themselves go and be sort of passively self-destructive.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?Dear Bettina:See below:

"Bettina" <chiria Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:27:07 -0700RE: 2-Bettina, & all: 4/19.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic ormalefic for ahoroscope?

Thanks Mark! Seems to me the most important thing is awareness, or consciousness. When we're aware of how we're expressing our planetary energies we can not allow ourselves to be controlled by them, and this probably goes double for the nodes, wouldn't you think?I've learned over the years, some very powerful, 'way's in which to literally begin the process of changeing, improveing and even transforming our malefic, Planetary thought patterns....We created these, awhile back, so we're meant to do this...Only Jyotish/Astrology has a great power to generate these improvements,...way faster,...thenjust going through our karmas....Cuz even that eventually will change...for example, we have a mars accident once, twice, ...up to the 10th time, and eventually we get it, we're going too fast!But, looking at ourselves through our charts allows us to 'grok' it faster!

Rahu might really want a lot of stuff (or power, or attention) it doesn't need, but if the person detaches herself from that want and asks herself if she really needs it, and the answer comes up "No", then she's not letting herself be controlled by R. Of course, it might take a certain kind of chart to be able to do that (perhaps a strong Saturn and Mercury?) I think every manner of a chart, has the potential...of every transformation...We don't realize it often, but the very things we're frustrated with, are the very things we've come to change.....There is this concept in Vedic Knowledge called, 'pragya parad'.Don't know if you've heard of it...But, it means, roughly, 'mistake of intellect'.Though it doesn't mean, individual intellect, but mistake of one's Cosmic intellect.It's the idea that all sufferings, all problems, all mistakes in life, stem from these kinds of 'mistakes of intellect', or break downs in our Cosmic, full potential...When I contemplated this, after being in India, in 1988, it occured to me over the course of the next few years,....that the 'malefics' in our charts....qualify as good candidates for our pragya parads, or mistaken patterns....that we're presently, identified with, but which are not healthy...One of the Vedic scholoars, there, said: "these pragya parads are important because not only are they the source of our sufferings, but they're very insidious. They exist such that, sometimes, we spontaneously do that which isn't healthy for us..."So, a lot of the Vedic disciplines, including Ayurved and even yoga, goes to transforming this twisted molecule, wrong patterns,.... to change...My whole research in Jyotish/Astrology....has been are our malefics our mistaken notions, or patterns of thought and action,...that are spontaneously leading us astray?And can these be changed?Now, after all these years, I'm very happy to report...they can!

I could never get why R is compared to Saturn and K to Mars, at least as far as the personality is concerned. Saturn is cautious, sensible, frugal and has to do with poverty and diminishment. R seems the opposite of these. I think Rahu & Saturn are only roughly similar, especially in regards to both representing imbalances of sorts..But, where malefic Saturn represents being out of balance due to overexertion, straining, working too hard, for example....Malefic Rahu represents being out of balance, due to a kind of straining of the desire mechanism that wants things....and gets soooo preoccupied with the process of acquiring that it doesn't realize...that it's gotten into all kinds of unhealthy patterns like compulsions, and even addicitons...In fact, K seems more like Saturn to me, as it has to do with lack, invisibility, renunciation. In Vedic astr. Saturn and Ketu both have to do with renunciation. Then, Mars is bombastic, aggressive, straightforward ... not Ketu traits. Do you think that the reverse could be true? That is, R more like Mars and K more like Saturn? I do find that Rahu....improves, in much the same way that Saturn improves by encouraging the rest, and relaxation...part of us....Ketu, may have a slight more pitta quality then Rahu.... but it's easier, sometimes, to look at the particulars in people's charts...and see what the symbolism is there....And then, do a kind of Jyotish healing!take careMarkps...have been enjoying your interest and participations very much.Perhaps it would be different in transits from the nodes than in the natal chart.

.... Bettina

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Monday, April 19, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: 2-Bettina, & all: 4/19.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic ormalefic for ahoroscope?Dear Bettina:Check out the letter/ I sent in today, regarding Rahu. It might help you understand more about Rahu, especially.And your point is well asked.See below:

"Bettina" <chiria Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:54:00 -0700RE: 4/15..> MK ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic or malefic for ahoroscope?

Hey, Mark ...The nodes are what I am most fascinated by. There was a small discussion of them on the Sidereal board. I never have a complete grasp of them, but Rahu is clearer to me than Ketu. I would love if people here would contribute their knowledge ... from observation or from what they've read or been taught ... of them. Rahu does seem very grabby ... almost like a Jupiter afflicted by Mars. Often, as you say, the greed or overextension of R leads to some sort of downfall or loss. But does it have to? No, they don't have to be malefic.Rahu and Ketu like any planetary situation represent a part of nature, that we're either in-tune with or not....

They seem to only express strongly when cnj another planet (esp Sun or Moon).K can diminish the one who has it strong so that they can be almost invisible. Are they impulsive or unconscious? Are people with them strong on auto-pilot where fulfilling the needs of their nodes? How does one learn to handle them? There's a kernal of truth in the expression....'Rahu acts like Saturn and Ketu like Mars...'I've found, therefore, that the Jyotish/Astrological remedies that are good for Saturn are also very helpful for Rahu!But, Rahu's symbolism is slightly different then, Saturn...and tends to reflect compulsions, patterns, addicitons, that are especially related to the desire mechanisms....that we get attached to.....

One thought I wanted to add to what you wrote about each planet having a benefic and a malefic side: Jupiter can be snobbish and elitist when expressing negatively, esp when combined with the Sun. I don't think it's Jupiter that becomes snoobish and elitist....these 2 terms are more symbolic of the Sun....Jupiter's significations are either pure...or impure....either sattvic or...not....Jupiter is either....open to wisdom, and teaching and learning....or.... people don't have faith, or hope, or openess...to teachers, mentors, gurus, or God....

This board is a wonderful chance for people to share what they know, esp based on their own empirical observations. Everybody, look at the charts of your children, friends, parents, siblings, selves, and we can all share and learn from each other. The thing that always bugs me about Indian astr. is that everything is either completely GOOD or completely BAD, and life isn't like that. Very good point, and this shows....that this aspect of Indian astrology has to change....Life is what is true.....And as Philosophers, and thinkers of all kinds, 300 years ago learned to start looking to 'Nature' as the source of truth....so, should we, in the field of Astrology....look to real life, as the frame of reference...which will help us find the truths of Astrologytake careMark Kincaid

.... Bettina [bettinaw] Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:09 AM 4/15..> MK ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic or malefic for ahoroscope?

Dear Friends:Here's a fascinating discussion about Rahu & Ketu, and even how one can discover how, any planet is being Malefic or Benefic for any horoscope.Mark K.Dear Fiends:I have some thoughts to share regarding Rahu/Ketu.The eclipses, in November were a powerful learning, time, for me, to really gain more in-depth wisdom as to the nodes.I love watching, or experiencing the Stars, because a kind of purity comes forth, in experiencing them, primordially....I do get the general, symbolism of the nodes being 'enemies of the Sun and Moon', as they're like that for most people's chart.But, because I've also come to understand that all 'malefic' situations in our chart, are really just blessings in disguise, then there must be some positivity, underlieing even Rahu & ketu.You can see that, sometimes, more vividly in people's charts who seem to have positive or Benefic Rahus/or Ketu. They get what they want, but don't go through that typically, Rahuish, effect of then loosing it all in the end.Now, I understand that Rahu primarily represents the 'desire' side of life. Therefore, for those who have gotten into the Malefic side of Rahu, they have this dominating, intensity of desires, compulsions, chronic patterns, even addictions. So, whenever we've evolved to a point where desires, themselves, have taken over, they do begin a kind of life of their own, and as such lead to all manners of imbalances, abuses, and degradations. This is, however, a great spiritual dilema, because the purpose of desires is pure. Desires lead us to more and more. Desires, in fact, lead us to fulfillment, even to our Spirituality.But, where desires become dominant, overshadowing even, the very purpose of 'desires', then they become Rahuish!So, what we need to do, is re-connect our 'desires' with our inner, silent, Consciousness side.Desires, serve us, and we don't serve them!PS.... One of the best ways I've also found to determine whether any Planet is acting malefically or benefically, for that horoscope, is...to examine whether that Planet is causing... so-called negative, or un-happy, results and consequences or whether the more positive significations are the result.For example, the Sun has two sides to it.When being benefic, wonderful Self-confidence, and positive, self-esteem, and inner power result. If acting malefically, then arrogance, egoism, superiority, or lack of self-confidence, and esteem result.For the Moon, inner happiness, joy, compassion, sensitivity, receptivity, wonderful, inner feelings .... are the result of a Benefic Moon.However, if acting Malefically, the Moon can reflect, qualities, of shyness, sadness, worry, anxieties, fear, and un-happiness.For Jupiter, it's benefic side is whenever a person is living natural faith, rich spiritual content, and belief or actual experiences of the inherent, spiritual or divine nature of life. Also, practical expressions of a 'good' Jupiter, are good luck, grace, openess to Mentors, teachers, and even, enjoying the whole process of learning and teaching, and education.If Jupiter is being temporarily 'malefic' it's repercussions will be lack of faith, lack of natural, nature support. Questioning, skeptical qualities, no easy faith or belief in life's divine nature or origins. Jupiter in Capricorn, which is supposed to be the worse place of Jupiter, is symbolic of where 'matter', or Capricorn, has come to dominate, 'spirit', or Jupiter.All the planets can be analysed, like this...which goes a lot farther at helping to understand the inherent Malefic or Benefic status of a Planet, then, just whether it's ....o In a friendly Sign, or in it's Own Sign, Exalted, debilitated or enemy sign.o Or, the natural ruler of a so-called good house, 1, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 & 11 houses... vs.o The more malefic or dustana houses, 3rd, 6th, 8th, & 12th ....Sorry, if this was too long.I got inspired by this question of the inherent benefic/maleficness.... And beside, the Sun is Exalted right now, so great time, to focus on these great truths....Jai Guru!Mark KincaidPS...For those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaidI, also have a new /message board, called which is a nice blending of both Western & Eastern Astrologys. You can check that out at: /> "Kundalika Shastri" <kundalika> JyotishVidya > Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:13:07 -0700> JyotishVidya > RE: [JyotishVidya] How to decide weather rahu/ketu benefic/malefic > for a horoscope?> > Hi ssz_dreams> > What's your name if you don't mind my asking?> > Since Rahu and Ketu are two points of intersection, I am not sure if they > can be attributed lordship or karakatwa (executive) of a house. I do not > doubt their power in giving results.> > Rahu and Ketu are supposed to give good results in the Upachayas, 3-6-11. Of > these, I have personally observed Rahu giving great results in 3rd and 11th. > I am not sure of a node in 6th, because it means another node is in the > 12th, and the ill effects of the 12th are very visible.> > I have also seen Rahu natally placed in 10th giving good results, in cases > where the 10th lord was well placed or at the very least, unafflicted.> > Yes Rahu is supposed to be the head of a snake, but to tell you the truth I > have only found few horoscopes with Rahu in 2nd giving good results. I am > not convinced that it should lord the 2nd in any way, but you are entitled > to your opinion, and me to my reservations:-)> > With due respect to your observations about Jupiter and Saturn in 2nd, let > me just say that a lot depends on the lordship of Saturn or Jupiter, as well > as the status of the concerned 2nd lords. While I have observed the "Sthana > Haani Karoti Jeeva Sthana Vriddhi Karoti Shani" principle working for many > charts, again, like everything in Jyotish, its not a mandatory thing.> > > Regards,> K.> > What goes around comes around ---- Be Good.> > > > > >> >> >> >> The more we look at Rahu's role in our lives, the more convinced that>> there is more to Rahu than what is attributed to him. Rahu as Demon>> with only head,and all evils ascribed to Rahu seem to be born more>> out of Puranic depiction of Rahu as cheating Rakshasa .>> >> So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury and>> Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed>> to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round>> holes. Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign>> nature, intelligent and karaka of wealth was given many portfolios.>> Out of that, portfolio of 2nd house was also given to him. But when>> they found that Guru, even though was made karaka for house of>> wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper>> lost wealth or suffered financially. How can a minister of finance>> occupying his own office>> in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?>> >> They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.>> >> It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance>> in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!! How>> paradoxical !!!!>> >> So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made>> a rule to explain.>> >> BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA, BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:>> >> Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases>> the bhava he occupies. I remember the story of olden times when a>> child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the>> child to take the reflection of Moon." And since the child believes>> in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all>> the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect>> to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he>> sits. So I have read karakatva, nature, description etc of Rahu and>> came to conclusion that 2nd house being the most important house in a>> horoscope surpassing even the 9th , 10th , 5th etc should be lorded>> over by Rahu.>> >> You may ask me " why Rahu? ">> Because, Rahu, as I said before, rules over All impulses, organs of>> impulses or Inputs like nose, skin, ears, mouth eyes etc. All these>> are in Head. He rules over mouth, openings, chides (Holes or Indriya>> Dwaras). Major chidras are in head and on face. Eyes, ears, mouth>> nose. These four major Indriyas are Rahu's weapon. Remember he loves>> number 4. With mouth, food or energy etc go in. Speech comes out.>> Nose is for taking in air and exhaling. 2nd house rules over coming>> and going. Rahu as lord of the DWARA or door, allows things to go in>> or come out.>> >> All inputs given by these four perceiving organs(Indriyas) are passed>> on to brain (Head). Hence Rahu must lord over 2nd house.>> >> 2nd house denotes, speech, wealth, supporting others including>> family, truth and falsehood(Rahu).Tongue, eyes,Nose, throat,Diamond,>> Gold, silver,Gems,perfumes,garments, copper, determination,trade,>> softness of speech,effort in acquiring wealth and riches and the>> means adopted also, miserliness,oratorical ability,modesty, firmness>> of mind, rules of coming and going, power of living etc.>> (Utarakalamrita)>> >> To acqire wealth, you need best usage of inputs of information, best>> utilisation of resources, ability to speak, ability to plan, capacity>> to manipulate, ability to fight and win over opponents and a strong>> luck. Ability to change colours, deception capability etc. Since Rahu>> fitted the bill because he can do all the above and much more.>> >> I gave my views any body can give views on rahu/ketu>> how they can become benefic/malefic for a horoscope since they dont>> have any lordship over houses?>> > > _______________> Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 > months! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup & pgmarket=en-us & ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/di> rect/01/> > > >

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I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects. cheers, MorganaBettina <chiria wrote:

 

Dear Mark ...

 

 

Thank you for your response. Wow, what a great place for learning this board is!

 

I do think that though anyone has the potential to be "conscious" and change their life, for a lot of people it's unlikely that they will (during any one particular life), because we're all living in our own realities, and our own realities seem right to us. I think we have to start to feel really uncomfortable to want to change (hooray for Saturn!).

 

Let me think of an example. A person who has strong racial prejudices will think that that is the correct way to be, that that's the way God wants us to be, that that indeed is the way God him/herself is, that anyone who doesn't think that way is way off track. Oftentimes a person with these beliefs will even attract negative experiences with the group that they dislike, thereby convincing themselves further that they were right all along. Then in some lifetime in some century in some millennium they'll have an experience that will turn them around and make them rethink their beliefs.

 

Some people are destined to be "stuck" for many lives before they become "unstuck".

 

Now back to Rahu, something I think you said a while back (maybe it was somebody else), but now I can't find it so I have to put it in my own words is Rahu is where we think of ourselves as God (in that we can do no wrong in that area). That's why R tends to trip us up. Many of the cult leaders who've made the headlines in the past several decades have had strong Rs, cnj one of the lights or the asc. Maybe R is where we think we ARE God and K is where we dissolve into God (or the universe, or our surroundings) and lose our sense of individual ego. R is kind of like the young child who still sees himself as being in control of the his world (by screaming, demanding, or just wishing) and K is like the old person who knows they'll be going out soon and nothing really matters all that much.

 

A thought on Saturn: it's where we feel the weakest, so we either give in to that weakness or overcompensate. People with it close to the asc. seem to either pay copious amounts of attention to their physical bodies (lots of vitamins and supplements and exercise), or let themselves go and be sort of passively self-destructive.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: 2-Bettina, & all: >MK 4/20.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are beneficormalefic for a horoscope?Dear Bettina:See below:

"Bettina" <chiria Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:27:07 -0700RE: 2-Bettina, & all: 4/19.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic ormalefic for ahoroscope?

Thanks Mark! Seems to me the most important thing is awareness, or consciousness. When we're aware of how we're expressing our planetary energies we can not allow ourselves to be controlled by them, and this probably goes double for the nodes, wouldn't you think?I've learned over the years, some very powerful, 'way's in which to literally begin the process of changeing, improveing and even transforming our malefic, Planetary thought patterns....We created these, awhile back, so we're meant to do this...Only Jyotish/Astrology has a great power to generate these improvements,...way faster,...thenjust going through our karmas....Cuz even that eventually will change...for example, we have a mars accident once, twice, ...up to the 10th time, and eventually we get it, we're going too fast!But, looking at

ourselves through our charts allows us to 'grok' it faster!

Rahu might really want a lot of stuff (or power, or attention) it doesn't need, but if the person detaches herself from that want and asks herself if she really needs it, and the answer comes up "No", then she's not letting herself be controlled by R. Of course, it might take a certain kind of chart to be able to do that (perhaps a strong Saturn and Mercury?) I think every manner of a chart, has the potential...of every transformation...We don't realize it often, but the very things we're frustrated with, are the very things we've come to change.....There is this concept in Vedic Knowledge called, 'pragya parad'.Don't know if you've heard of it...But, it means, roughly, 'mistake of intellect'.Though it doesn't mean, individual intellect, but mistake of one's Cosmic intellect.It's the idea that all

sufferings, all problems, all mistakes in life, stem from these kinds of 'mistakes of intellect', or break downs in our Cosmic, full potential...When I contemplated this, after being in India, in 1988, it occured to me over the course of the next few years,....that the 'malefics' in our charts....qualify as good candidates for our pragya parads, or mistaken patterns....that we're presently, identified with, but which are not healthy...One of the Vedic scholoars, there, said: "these pragya parads are important because not only are they the source of our sufferings, but they're very insidious. They exist such that, sometimes, we spontaneously do that which isn't healthy for us..."So, a lot of the Vedic disciplines, including Ayurved and even yoga, goes to transforming this twisted molecule, wrong patterns,.... to change...My whole research in Jyotish/Astrology....has been are our malefics

our mistaken notions, or patterns of thought and action,...that are spontaneously leading us astray?And can these be changed?Now, after all these years, I'm very happy to report...they can!

I could never get why R is compared to Saturn and K to Mars, at least as far as the personality is concerned. Saturn is cautious, sensible, frugal and has to do with poverty and diminishment. R seems the opposite of these. I think Rahu & Saturn are only roughly similar, especially in regards to both representing imbalances of sorts..But, where malefic Saturn represents being out of balance due to overexertion, straining, working too hard, for example....Malefic Rahu represents being out of balance, due to a kind of straining of the desire mechanism that wants things....and gets soooo preoccupied with the process of acquiring that it doesn't realize...that it's gotten into all kinds of unhealthy patterns like compulsions, and even addicitons...In

fact, K seems more like Saturn to me, as it has to do with lack, invisibility, renunciation. In Vedic astr. Saturn and Ketu both have to do with renunciation. Then, Mars is bombastic, aggressive, straightforward ... not Ketu traits. Do you think that the reverse could be true? That is, R more like Mars and K more like Saturn? I do find that Rahu....improves, in much the same way that Saturn improves by encouraging the rest, and relaxation...part of us....Ketu, may have a slight more pitta quality then Rahu.... but it's easier, sometimes, to look at the particulars in people's charts...and see what the symbolism is there....And then, do a kind of Jyotish healing!take careMarkps...have been enjoying your interest and participations very much.Perhaps it would be different in transits from

the nodes than in the natal chart.

.... Bettina

Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Monday, April 19, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: 2-Bettina, & all: 4/19.. ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic ormalefic for ahoroscope?Dear Bettina:Check out the letter/ I sent in today, regarding Rahu. It might help you understand more about Rahu, especially.And your point is well asked.See below:

"Bettina" <chiria Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:54:00 -0700RE: 4/15..> MK ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic or malefic for ahoroscope?

Hey, Mark ...The nodes are what I am most fascinated by. There was a small discussion of them on the Sidereal board. I never have a complete grasp of them, but Rahu is clearer to me than Ketu. I would love if people here would contribute their knowledge ... from observation or from what they've read or been taught ... of them. Rahu does seem very grabby ... almost like a Jupiter afflicted by Mars. Often, as you say, the greed or overextension of R leads to some sort of downfall or loss. But does it have to? No, they don't have to be malefic.Rahu and Ketu like any planetary situation represent a part of nature, that we're either in-tune with or not....

They seem to only express strongly when cnj another planet (esp Sun or Moon).K can diminish the one who has it strong so that they can be almost invisible. Are they impulsive or unconscious? Are people with them strong on auto-pilot where fulfilling the needs of their nodes? How does one learn to handle them? There's a kernal of truth in the expression....'Rahu acts like Saturn and Ketu like Mars...'I've found, therefore, that the Jyotish/Astrological remedies that are good for Saturn are also very helpful for Rahu!But, Rahu's symbolism is slightly different then, Saturn...and tends to reflect compulsions, patterns, addicitons, that are especially related to

the desire mechanisms....that we get attached to.....

One thought I wanted to add to what you wrote about each planet having a benefic and a malefic side: Jupiter can be snobbish and elitist when expressing negatively, esp when combined with the Sun. I don't think it's Jupiter that becomes snoobish and elitist....these 2 terms are more symbolic of the Sun....Jupiter's significations are either pure...or impure....either sattvic or...not....Jupiter is either....open to wisdom, and teaching and learning....or.... people don't have faith, or hope, or openess...to teachers, mentors, gurus, or God....

This board is a wonderful chance for people to share what they know, esp based on their own empirical observations. Everybody, look at the charts of your children, friends, parents, siblings, selves, and we can all share and learn from each other. The thing that always bugs me about Indian astr. is that everything is either completely GOOD or completely BAD, and life isn't like that. Very good point, and this shows....that this aspect of Indian astrology has to change....Life is what is true.....And as Philosophers, and thinkers of all kinds, 300 years ago learned to start looking to 'Nature' as the source of truth....so, should we, in the field of Astrology....look to real life, as the frame of reference...which will help us find the truths of Astrologytake careMark

Kincaid

.... Bettina [bettinaw] Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:09 AM 4/15..> MK ..re... How Rahu/ketu are benefic or malefic for ahoroscope?

Dear Friends:Here's a fascinating discussion about Rahu & Ketu, and even how one can discover how, any planet is being Malefic or Benefic for any horoscope.Mark K.Dear Fiends:I have some thoughts to share regarding Rahu/Ketu.The eclipses, in November were a powerful learning, time, for me, to really gain more in-depth wisdom as to the nodes.I love watching, or experiencing the Stars, because a kind of purity comes forth, in experiencing them, primordially....I do get the general, symbolism of the nodes being 'enemies of the Sun and Moon', as they're like that for most people's chart.But, because I've also come to understand that all 'malefic' situations in our chart, are really just blessings in disguise, then there must be some positivity, underlieing even Rahu & ketu.You can see that, sometimes, more vividly in people's charts who seem to have

positive or Benefic Rahus/or Ketu. They get what they want, but don't go through that typically, Rahuish, effect of then loosing it all in the end.Now, I understand that Rahu primarily represents the 'desire' side of life. Therefore, for those who have gotten into the Malefic side of Rahu, they have this dominating, intensity of desires, compulsions, chronic patterns, even addictions. So, whenever we've evolved to a point where desires, themselves, have taken over, they do begin a kind of life of their own, and as such lead to all manners of imbalances, abuses, and degradations. This is, however, a great spiritual dilema, because the purpose of desires is pure. Desires lead us to more and more. Desires, in fact, lead us to fulfillment, even to our Spirituality.But, where desires become dominant, overshadowing even, the very purpose of 'desires', then they become Rahuish!So, what we need to do, is re-connect

our 'desires' with our inner, silent, Consciousness side.Desires, serve us, and we don't serve them!PS.... One of the best ways I've also found to determine whether any Planet is acting malefically or benefically, for that horoscope, is...to examine whether that Planet is causing... so-called negative, or un-happy, results and consequences or whether the more positive significations are the result.For example, the Sun has two sides to it.When being benefic, wonderful Self-confidence, and positive, self-esteem, and inner power result. If acting malefically, then arrogance, egoism, superiority, or lack of self-confidence, and esteem result.For the Moon, inner happiness, joy, compassion, sensitivity, receptivity, wonderful, inner feelings .... are the result of a Benefic Moon.However, if acting Malefically, the Moon can reflect, qualities, of shyness, sadness, worry, anxieties, fear, and un-happiness.For

Jupiter, it's benefic side is whenever a person is living natural faith, rich spiritual content, and belief or actual experiences of the inherent, spiritual or divine nature of life. Also, practical expressions of a 'good' Jupiter, are good luck, grace, openess to Mentors, teachers, and even, enjoying the whole process of learning and teaching, and education.If Jupiter is being temporarily 'malefic' it's repercussions will be lack of faith, lack of natural, nature support. Questioning, skeptical qualities, no easy faith or belief in life's divine nature or origins. Jupiter in Capricorn, which is supposed to be the worse place of Jupiter, is symbolic of where 'matter', or Capricorn, has come to dominate, 'spirit', or Jupiter.All the planets can be analysed, like this...which goes a lot farther at helping to understand the inherent Malefic or Benefic status of a Planet, then, just whether it's ....o In a friendly Sign, or

in it's Own Sign, Exalted, debilitated or enemy sign.o Or, the natural ruler of a so-called good house, 1, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 & 11 houses... vs.o The more malefic or dustana houses, 3rd, 6th, 8th, & 12th ....Sorry, if this was too long.I got inspired by this question of the inherent benefic/maleficness.... And beside, the Sun is Exalted right now, so great time, to focus on these great truths....Jai Guru!Mark KincaidPS...For those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaidI, also have a new /message board, called which is a nice blending of both Western & Eastern Astrologys. You can

check that out at: /> "Kundalika Shastri" <kundalika> JyotishVidya > Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:13:07 -0700> JyotishVidya > RE: [JyotishVidya] How to decide weather rahu/ketu benefic/malefic > for a horoscope?> > Hi ssz_dreams> > What's your name if you don't mind my asking?> > Since Rahu and Ketu are two points of intersection, I am not sure if they > can be attributed lordship or karakatwa (executive) of a house. I do not > doubt their power in giving results.> > Rahu and Ketu are supposed to give good results in the Upachayas, 3-6-11. Of > these, I have personally observed Rahu giving great results in 3rd and 11th. > I am not sure of a node in 6th, because it means another node is in the >

12th, and the ill effects of the 12th are very visible.> > I have also seen Rahu natally placed in 10th giving good results, in cases > where the 10th lord was well placed or at the very least, unafflicted.> > Yes Rahu is supposed to be the head of a snake, but to tell you the truth I > have only found few horoscopes with Rahu in 2nd giving good results. I am > not convinced that it should lord the 2nd in any way, but you are entitled > to your opinion, and me to my reservations:-)> > With due respect to your observations about Jupiter and Saturn in 2nd, let > me just say that a lot depends on the lordship of Saturn or Jupiter, as well > as the status of the concerned 2nd lords. While I have observed the "Sthana > Haani Karoti Jeeva Sthana Vriddhi Karoti Shani" principle working for many > charts, again, like everything in Jyotish, its not a mandatory thing.> > >

Regards,> K.> > What goes around comes around ---- Be Good.> > > > > >> >> >> >> The more we look at Rahu's role in our lives, the more convinced that>> there is more to Rahu than what is attributed to him. Rahu as Demon>> with only head,and all evils ascribed to Rahu seem to be born more>> out of Puranic depiction of Rahu as cheating Rakshasa .>> >> So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury and>> Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed>> to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round>> holes. Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign>> nature, intelligent and karaka of wealth was given many portfolios.>> Out of that, portfolio of 2nd house was also given to him. But when>> they found that Guru,

even though was made karaka for house of>> wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper>> lost wealth or suffered financially. How can a minister of finance>> occupying his own office>> in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?>> >> They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.>> >> It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance>> in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!! How>> paradoxical !!!!>> >> So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made>> a rule to explain.>> >> BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA, BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:>> >> Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases>> the bhava he occupies. I remember the story of olden times when a>> child

wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the>> child to take the reflection of Moon." And since the child believes>> in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all>> the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect>> to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he>> sits. So I have read karakatva, nature, description etc of Rahu and>> came to conclusion that 2nd house being the most important house in a>> horoscope surpassing even the 9th , 10th , 5th etc should be lorded>> over by Rahu.>> >> You may ask me " why Rahu? ">> Because, Rahu, as I said before, rules over All impulses, organs of>> impulses or Inputs like nose, skin, ears, mouth eyes etc. All these>> are in Head. He rules over mouth, openings, chides (Holes or Indriya>> Dwaras). Major chidras are in

head and on face. Eyes, ears, mouth>> nose. These four major Indriyas are Rahu's weapon. Remember he loves>> number 4. With mouth, food or energy etc go in. Speech comes out.>> Nose is for taking in air and exhaling. 2nd house rules over coming>> and going. Rahu as lord of the DWARA or door, allows things to go in>> or come out.>> >> All inputs given by these four perceiving organs(Indriyas) are passed>> on to brain (Head). Hence Rahu must lord over 2nd house.>> >> 2nd house denotes, speech, wealth, supporting others including>> family, truth and falsehood(Rahu).Tongue, eyes,Nose, throat,Diamond,>> Gold, silver,Gems,perfumes,garments, copper, determination,trade,>> softness of speech,effort in acquiring wealth and riches and the>> means adopted also, miserliness,oratorical ability,modesty, firmness>> of mind, rules of coming and

going, power of living etc.>> (Utarakalamrita)>> >> To acqire wealth, you need best usage of inputs of information, best>> utilisation of resources, ability to speak, ability to plan, capacity>> to manipulate, ability to fight and win over opponents and a strong>> luck. Ability to change colours, deception capability etc. Since Rahu>> fitted the bill because he can do all the above and much more.>> >> I gave my views any body can give views on rahu/ketu>> how they can become benefic/malefic for a horoscope since they dont>> have any lordship over houses?>> > > _______________> Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 > months! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup & pgmarket=en-us & ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/di> rect/01/>

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On 21/4/04 12:05 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950 wrote:

 

> I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly

> in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects.

> cheers, Morgana

 

Morgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn transits have

been tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been in a

hurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most significant

achievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz Greene's

take on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.

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Yes Flick, I like Liz Greene's book on Saturn too; one of my first that I read of hers. I can't wait to get some vedic books, but have other financial priorities right now....they are on the list, but in the meantime I am learning lots right here. I particularly note for me that my transiting rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well! Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together. My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken him almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up. warm wishes, MorganaFlick <rubysun wrote:

On 21/4/04 12:05 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950 wrote:> I really have to state here that Saturn is not always the bad guy. Certainly> in my life Saturn has given me great gifts on the supposed bad aspects.> cheers, MorganaMorgana, you are so completely right. Although some Saturn transits havebeen tiresome for me if they've coincided with something I've been in ahurry for, when I look back over my life many of the most significantachievements I've had have been under Saturn sub dasas. I like Liz Greene'stake on Saturn, the way that it can strengthen you so much.Post your free ad now! Canada Personals

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On 21/4/04 8:22 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950 wrote:

 

>I particularly note for me that my transiting

> rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more

> about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well!

 

I would say you are in for an exciting time with the chance for deep

spiritual growth. Rahu is gradually creeping up to my 10th house Aries moon

at present...far from feeling the fear I'm supposed to feel, I have this

sense of excitement and impending change. LOL, my western moon is in Taurus

and I'm truly the biggest couch potato in the world, so maybe that's why I'm

not unnerved, I'm just too inwardly placid.

 

> Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together.

> My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties invaded. It has taken him

> almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up.

 

Rosie is okay but very fed up with being big and uncomfortable. The blood

pressure thing doesn't seem to have got any worse.

 

The cats all hate each other. I'm used to having ones that are devoted, but

this batch are always scrapping.

 

>warm wishes,

> Morgana

 

That's really nice! Warm wishes and blessings to you too. This is turning

into a really nice group with very nice people. Mark, thanks for starting

it. I think I'll put the other two Jyotish groups on web only and keep just

this one on individual emails.

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Hi Flick, Thanks, and I agree, it makes it a happy environment to have a personal touch, although a lot of sites do not encourage it.

I chuckled away thinking about your description of yourself as the couch potato western Moon in Taurus and the energy coming with Ratu. I am referring to my western angles too, although I guess (had to go look) Ketu is about to conjunct my Ascendant either system. Flick my moon -western is almost 29 Libra and I see it is 4°Libra JY so it too will feel Ketu's tongue.

Yes it is an interesting time and for me especially so, because I am in the midst of intensive emotional therapy....a ripping apart of it all so to speak, finishing the intensive exactly when Ketu is right on the Ascendant....same day I think. You will have Ketu opposing your moon, in your 4th? Of course Ratu makes so much sense so close to your moon now with the birth imminent and hopefully after the eclipse, I would think, despite your daughter's impatience. I still remember that feeling since my young one is 14, even though my eldest is 34! Hopefully the ketu transit to my moon does not bring any more grandchildren just yet! Gee, now that it is on my mind, I am going to have to check it out for timing, now that I am remembering all those transits to my moon in my earlier years! Hmmm, New years day! Oh well, the pleasure of anticipation with this business!

 

Now I really must get to bed since it is almost 2am here on Vancovuer Island, although I note the day well begun over there, cheers,

Morgana

 

I presume your little grandchild might be an indication of that. I have noticed the nodes involved with babies, birth and more.

 

My grandson turns 4 on May 5th, just after the eclipses, thank goodness for his sake and his new solar return.

cheers, MorganaFlick <rubysun wrote:

On 21/4/04 8:22 am, "morgana" <aquatiger1950 wrote:>I particularly note for me that my transiting> rahu/ketu are on my asc/desc the end of June and I must say that I worry more> about that transit than the upcoming square to Mars from Saturn, oh well!I would say you are in for an exciting time with the chance for deepspiritual growth. Rahu is gradually creeping up to my 10th house Aries moonat present...far from feeling the fear I'm supposed to feel, I have thissense of excitement and impending change. LOL, my western moon is in Taurusand I'm truly the biggest couch potato in the world, so maybe that's why I'mnot unnerved, I'm just too inwardly placid. > Hope you daughter is doing well and your seven kitties are all happy together.> My old guy would have a fit if any other kitties

invaded. It has taken him> almost three years not to hiss at my kitten, now all grown up.Rosie is okay but very fed up with being big and uncomfortable. The bloodpressure thing doesn't seem to have got any worse.The cats all hate each other. I'm used to having ones that are devoted, butthis batch are always scrapping.>warm wishes, > MorganaThat's really nice! Warm wishes and blessings to you too. This is turninginto a really nice group with very nice people. Mark, thanks for startingit. I think I'll put the other two Jyotish groups on web only and keep justthis one on individual emails.Post your free ad now! Canada Personals

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Hi,

 

> I chuckled away thinking about your description of yourself as the couch

> potato western Moon in Taurus and the energy coming with Ratu. I am

> referring to my western angles too, although I guess (had to go look) Ketu is

> about to conjunct my Ascendant either system. Flick my moon -western is

> almost 29 Libra and I see it is 4?Libra JY so it too will feel Ketu's tongue.

> Yes it is an interesting time and for me especially so, because I am in the

> midst of intensive emotional therapy....a ripping apart of it all so to speak,

> finishing the intensive exactly when Ketu is right on the Ascendant....same

> day I think.

 

And all you can really for now is surrender (as you obviously have!) and

breathe a sigh as all that old stuff gets transformed. Wow! Uncomfortable

but so exciting too once you have had a rest and a chance to breathe

again... Brave you to put yourself through it.

 

>You will have Ketu opposing your moon, in your 4th?

 

I'm such a dilly! I'd conveniently forgotten all about Ketu :-)) This is so

intriguing. I have Jupiter in 4th too, supporting my Moon (gaja kesari

yoga), so maybe that's one reason the Moon hasn't been too troubled by Rahu.

Actually Jupiter falls in 4th in my western chart too, as does Moon in 10th.

Also at this time the house is sometimes filled with a lovely, peaceful,

happy energy...as if the new little one is gradually coming in, liking where

s/he is going to be.

 

Anyway, with Rahu in Aries, I would expect the beginning of something, a

rebirth or the commencement of a new cycle for all of us, relating to

wherever it falls. It's of great interest that Rahu/Ketu are transiting your

self/relationship axis. Do you feel that the emotional therapy will release

new energy for relationships as well as in your personal emotional life?

Ketu over your moon would presumably help with clearing out the old

emotionally. As I said, very brave of you: surely a confrontation with the

shadow, through which deep healing can occur - but how few people have the

courage to take that journey.

 

>I still remember that feeling since my young one is

> 14, even though my eldest is 34!

 

My eldest is 35!

 

> Now I really must get to bed since it is almost 2am here on Vancovuer Island,

> although I note the day well begun over there, cheers,

> Morgana

>

Sleep well and " see " you in the morning (which will be well into the

afternoon here...

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Hi Flick, As you can SEE, I am well at it now, slowly going through my emails and suddenly seeing another five in there, but I shall restrain myself and go through these first! I do so enjoy a good conversation about people and planets and the mixture, but then I have Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Sun in third!

 

So you have Jupiter in the 4th with Ketu, and a new and wonderful living energy moving into that house with your grandchild's birth; how symbolic! I envy you in a big way, loving babies the way I do. Seems like your grandchild will have a similar birthday (albeit newborn) as my grandson about to turn 4 on May 5th, to the 34 year old. Is it your 35 year old giving birth?

 

Uhhh, yes, tough work to be sure Flick, but I see it as a last chance to set things right so I am doing the emotional work hard as it is. Yes, looking deep within the soul and seeing the darkness, exposing it and bringing it to the light is quite a process and in actuality the reason my sleep has been very interrupted since it began in January. First time in my life that I can't just lie down and sleep for 8 or 10 or even more hours.

 

My eldest daughter and I still have to face these issues together after my group intensive is finished early July. I am not looking forward to it and have felt it might be easier to run, but no, this time I will not run and hopefully she will not either! She is beginning a t-square with Pluto/Moon/Mercury activated by transiting Hades/Pluto., so of course I forecast the work will be done with Mom.

 

Clearing out the debris should also help with lover relationships too I would expect. Relationships have suffered greatly in my life. Usually they are the first to go when the going gets rough and it will be wonderful to be able to be clear and perhaps even intimate with a partner, thus ensuring a really good and honest relationship. I am open to it, but know the work needs to be completed, well this portion of it anyway, first before I jump into anything else!

 

Well this is getting intense, so it is time to take a break and go look at the charts of those twins of Anne's. Something I had to restrain myself from doing at 4am, but I was simply too tired then. MorganaFlick <rubysun wrote:

Hi,> I chuckled away thinking about your description of yourself as the couch> potato western Moon in Taurus and the energy coming with Ratu. I am> referring to my western angles too, although I guess (had to go look) Ketu is> about to conjunct my Ascendant either system. Flick my moon -western is> almost 29 Libra and I see it is 4?Libra JY so it too will feel Ketu's tongue.> Yes it is an interesting time and for me especially so, because I am in the> midst of intensive emotional therapy....a ripping apart of it all so to speak,> finishing the intensive exactly when Ketu is right on the Ascendant....same> day I think. And all you can really for now is surrender (as you obviously have!) andbreathe a sigh as all that old stuff gets transformed. Wow!

Uncomfortablebut so exciting too once you have had a rest and a chance to breatheagain... Brave you to put yourself through it.>You will have Ketu opposing your moon, in your 4th?I'm such a dilly! I'd conveniently forgotten all about Ketu :-)) This is sointriguing. I have Jupiter in 4th too, supporting my Moon (gaja kesariyoga), so maybe that's one reason the Moon hasn't been too troubled by Rahu.Actually Jupiter falls in 4th in my western chart too, as does Moon in 10th.Also at this time the house is sometimes filled with a lovely, peaceful,happy energy...as if the new little one is gradually coming in, liking wheres/he is going to be.Anyway, with Rahu in Aries, I would expect the beginning of something, arebirth or the commencement of a new cycle for all of us, relating towherever it falls. It's of great interest that Rahu/Ketu are transiting yourself/relationship axis. Do you feel that the emotional therapy

will releasenew energy for relationships as well as in your personal emotional life?Ketu over your moon would presumably help with clearing out the oldemotionally. As I said, very brave of you: surely a confrontation with theshadow, through which deep healing can occur - but how few people have thecourage to take that journey.>I still remember that feeling since my young one is> 14, even though my eldest is 34!My eldest is 35!> Now I really must get to bed since it is almost 2am here on Vancovuer Island,> although I note the day well begun over there, cheers,> Morgana> Sleep well and "see" you in the morning (which will be well into theafternoon here...Post your free ad now! Canada Personals

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On 21/4/04 9:46 pm, " morgana " <aquatiger1950 wrote:

 

Hi Morgana,

 

Well, it's morning again here and I'm just working through my emails.

 

> So you have Jupiter in the 4th with Ketu,

 

Ketu is only there by transit. It's in my fifth conjunct Venus natally, and

it's caused me all sorts of problems with my creativity, confidence wise

that is ;-(

 

>and a new and wonderful living

> energy moving into that house with your grandchild's birth; how symbolic! I

> envy you in a big way, loving babies the way I do. Seems like your

> grandchild will have a similar birthday (albeit newborn) as my grandson about

> to turn 4 on May 5th, to the 34 year old. Is it your 35 year old giving

> birth?

 

It really is a wonderful energy. I think we are getting someone nice :-) No,

my 35 year old is my son. It's my 24 year old daughter who is having the

baby.

 

> Uhhh, yes, tough work to be sure Flick, but I see it as a last chance to set

> things right so I am doing the emotional work hard as it is. Yes, looking

> deep within the soul and seeing the darkness, exposing it and bringing it to

> the light is quite a process and in actuality the reason my sleep has been

> very interrupted since it began in January. First time in my life that I

> can't just lie down and sleep for 8 or 10 or even more hours.>

> My eldest daughter and I still have to face these issues together after my

> group intensive is finished early July. I am not looking forward to it and

> have felt it might be easier to run, but no, this time I will not run and

> hopefully she will not either! She is beginning a t-square with

> Pluto/Moon/Mercury activated by transiting Hades/Pluto., so of course I

> forecast the work will be done with Mom.

> Clearing out the debris should also help with lover relationships too I would

> expect. Relationships have suffered greatly in my life. Usually they are

> the first to go when the going gets rough and it will be wonderful to be able

> to be clear and perhaps even intimate with a partner, thus ensuring a really

> good and honest relationship. I am open to it, but know the work needs to be

> completed, well this portion of it anyway, first before I jump into anything

> else!

>

I take my hat off to you Morgana. It takes guts to tackle things in the way

you're doing. I wish both you and your daughter peace and happiness and

understanding as a result of all this work you're doing.

 

Warmest Blessings (that looks odd, but you know what I mean ;-)

 

Flick.

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http://www.witchcraft.org/elenhawke.htm

 

>

>

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Dear Flick, Thank you for the blessings. I need all I can get of them, so they are appreciated.

 

What the heck, life is a challenge and I always said I never wanted to look back and see life as boring.

 

Your daughter is having her baby almost young it seems with the way people are now having babies, however, I do remember how easy it was for me having a baby at 20 rather than 40. It all fell into place so much easier. She will do fine, and of course there is YOUR connection to your grandchild. I was looking at my vedic stuff and Rahu was a sub-dasa of the Saturn one when my Grandson was born. Two years from now I have a Ketu one happening for a year, I think and I am thinking, oh, oh! I'll have to watch my tweenie because I can't imagine my eldest doing it again....you never know though!

 

It will be interesting to figure myself out vedically and see just what caused those challenges I was born with; of course I have my deep suspicions that I set it up previously just to learn what I need to grow, ugh!

 

Flick my rahu is in the 5th and it has felt like the creativity switch got shut off these last few years, not a self-confidence issue like yours but literally shut off!

 

Interesting to read the nakshatra's and see where mine is placed and to see the Dasa cyles. Some of them are too long!

 

I have noticed though that I am in a Mercury Dasa since fall, for almost 20 years, with the mercury beginning the dasa cycle until Feb 2006, whereas Ketu then becomes the leader of the sub until late '07only one year of it, and that is probably very good. I was under a Saturn Dasa until last fall and was under that influence for almost twenty years....jeesh! Glad that is over.

 

It is all very intriguing and of course I have to study lots more, but will have to find my info on-line since I do not have a book on it. There is lots of info out there too I notice. Especially when I was trying to download some software. I did download one recommended, Jyotish Star, but it is a sixty day one and no printing was allowed, no copying was allowed, jeesh, made me angry so I took it out. Tried to find the other one by J Hora but no luck so far. But am off to bed now, early tonight!

cheers and have a good day, MorganaFlick <rubysun wrote:

On 21/4/04 9:46 pm, "morgana" <aquatiger1950 wrote:Hi Morgana,Well, it's morning again here and I'm just working through my emails.> So you have Jupiter in the 4th with Ketu,Ketu is only there by transit. It's in my fifth conjunct Venus natally, andit's caused me all sorts of problems with my creativity, confidence wisethat is ;-( >and a new and wonderful living> energy moving into that house with your grandchild's birth; how symbolic! I> envy you in a big way, loving babies the way I do. Seems like your> grandchild will have a similar birthday (albeit newborn) as my grandson about> to turn 4 on May 5th, to the 34 year old. Is it your 35 year old giving> birth?It really is a wonderful energy. I think we are getting someone nice :-)

No,my 35 year old is my son. It's my 24 year old daughter who is having thebaby.> Uhhh, yes, tough work to be sure Flick, but I see it as a last chance to set> things right so I am doing the emotional work hard as it is. Yes, looking> deep within the soul and seeing the darkness, exposing it and bringing it to> the light is quite a process and in actuality the reason my sleep has been> very interrupted since it began in January. First time in my life that I> can't just lie down and sleep for 8 or 10 or even more hours.>> My eldest daughter and I still have to face these issues together after my> group intensive is finished early July. I am not looking forward to it and> have felt it might be easier to run, but no, this time I will not run and> hopefully she will not either! She is beginning a t-square with>

Pluto/Moon/Mercury activated by transiting Hades/Pluto., so of course I> forecast the work will be done with Mom.> Clearing out the debris should also help with lover relationships too I would> expect. Relationships have suffered greatly in my life. Usually they are> the first to go when the going gets rough and it will be wonderful to be able> to be clear and perhaps even intimate with a partner, thus ensuring a really> good and honest relationship. I am open to it, but know the work needs to be> completed, well this portion of it anyway, first before I jump into anything> else!>I take my hat off to you Morgana. It takes guts to tackle things in the wayyou're doing. I wish both you and your daughter peace and happiness andunderstanding as a result of all this work you're doing.Warmest Blessings (that looks odd, but you know what I mean ;-)Flick.Author

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On 22/4/04 10:42 am, " morgana " <aquatiger1950 wrote:

 

> Dear Flick, Thank you for the blessings. I need all I can get of them, so

> they are appreciated.

 

You're welcome.

 

>

> Your daughter is having her baby almost young it seems with the way people are

> now having babies,

 

It wasn't planned. They'd borrowed a lot of money to pay for a wonderful

wedding, then she found she was pregnant. She was so fed up that she was

unable to drink all the free booze provided as part of the honeymoon

package!

>

> It will be interesting to figure myself out vedically and see just what caused

> those challenges I was born with; of course I have my deep suspicions that I

> set it up previously just to learn what I need to grow, ugh!

 

I think we certainly willingly accept the task of balancing karma, and that

brings growth.

>

> Flick my rahu is in the 5th and it has felt like the creativity switch got

> shut off these last few years, not a self-confidence issue like yours but

> literally shut off!

 

I've found that with my Ketu fighting it gets you nowhere, you have to let

go and allow. But if it's Rahu causing the problem, then that must be hard

as Rahu can make you want to strive. I bet you find you have lots of

creative energy once you've come through the therapy etc. Healing the self

takes so much energy away from other things - you probably just haven't had

enough for anything else.

>

>I was under a Saturn Dasa until last fall and was

> under that influence for almost twenty years....jeesh! Glad that is over.

 

LOL, I get my Saturn dasa when I'm in my early 70's. Let's hope I'm not a

miserable old person ;-)

>

> It is all very intriguing and of course I have to study lots more, but will

> have to find my info on-line since I do not have a book on it. There is lots

> of info out there too I notice. Especially when I was trying to download

> some software. I did download one recommended, Jyotish Star, but it is a

> sixty day one and no printing was allowed, no copying was allowed, jeesh, made

> me angry so I took it out. Tried to find the other one by J Hora but no luck

> so far.

 

Morgana, try Junior Jyotish. I used that years ago when I was a PC user.

Can't remember the link, but a google search will easily find it. I have the

problem of no jyotish software after switching to Mac platform. I had

Parashara's Light but it won't run on my Mac - I'm still waiting for them to

bring the long promised Mac version out. It's putting me off going on with

my Vedic course.