2-Flick......re....4-9...Western & Eastern...Astrologys

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Dear Flick:

 

I'll respond to these wonderful thoughts, a little later, but would you mind

sending me your dob info, so I can follow your reasonings and especially

your comments...?

 

thanks.

 

I think I've sent you my dob info, but if not let me know..

 

 

till the next time...

 

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

> Flick <rubysun

>

> Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:05:18 +0100

>

> Re: 2-Flick......4/8....Re: Western &

> Eastern...Astrologys

>

> On 8/4/04 6:44 pm, " Mark Kincaid " <m.kincaid wrote:

>

>> Dear Flick:

>>

>> No problem... I enjoy, though very much your Western perspective, because

>> even though I do enjoy, Jyotish the best...

>

> Well, I enjoy jyotish the best too.

>>

>> I do, however, believe that the truest Astrology, is really somewhere, out

>> there, in life, itself...and both West and East versions, are only getting a

>> partial glimpse of 'it'....

>

> Once again agreed. And each system up till now has operated through cultural

> and geographic perspectives. If you live in India, then of course the sun is

> seen as malefic and cruel...if you live in northern Europe, then you might

> view it differently as you try to glimpse it through yet another cloudy sky!

> As the two systems collide, and as more and more Indian people emigrate to

> or are born in more northern climates, and as more and more people of all

> cultural backgrounds share ideas over the Internet, then I would expect a

> cross fertilisation of astrological ideas to accelerate with a subsequent

> broadening of perspectives from both types of astrology.

>>

>> That's why I've created this concept of a 'nature's astrology'...because I

>> believe there are some serious problems with Jyotish, it's habit of being

>> too fatalistic, and not taking more into account the importance of the Sun,

>> and especially, the transformative power of life!

>

> The course I'm doing has a less fatalistic slant (though the more dire

> meanings are explained as well). For example, I challenged my tutor with the

> purpose of maraka planets, as it seemed to me that death can mean many

> things other than physical death, and that some of these can be a blessing,

> such as letting go when you need to move on...i.e, death is change, which is

> part of growth: he agreed with this and said one has to ask what is dying.

> For example, recently supporting my weak (in shadballah) sun led to my being

> motivated to let certain things go to people who would need them more than

> me now that I've left a phase of my life behind to which they were relevant.

> The sun rules my second, though it is neutral, is in 6th which is a good

> placement for it, and is friends with my chart ruler, so I've so far had

> good results from supporting a maraka.

>>

>> However, Western has challenges too, not least of which is being different

>> then the actual, calculations of the Planets... like Astronomy!

>

> I agree, though surprisingly it works, and I've had astounding results over

> the years. But then western astrology relies on symbolism and intuition to a

> great degree. Western astrology lost much when the moon was de-emphasised in

> favour of the sun and its more rational qualities during the Age of Reason.

> Personally I've always used equal house in my western charts and have been

> more concerned with houses and aspects than sun signs. However, I do find

> the physical descriptions of sun, moon and ascendant characteristic far more

> accurate in western astrology - EVEN WHEN the ayanamsha is taken into

> consideration with births later in a sign. My Vedic ascendant is Cancer, but

> I'm VERY much a Leo, as in my western ascendant, very out-going, dramatic,

> strong minded, enthusiastic etc...though I also have characteristics of

> Cancer. But then relying on symbolism is very apt for a system onto which

> Jungian thought has been so thoroughly grafted.

>>

>> And the West, though it's more clear, especially, Psychologically, still it

>> can gain a lot from traditional Jyotish, it's past, it's heritage, being

>> connected to this great, Vedic tradition...

>

> Though one theory is that Vedic astrology grafted on Greek astrological

> descriptions of some characteristic of the planets in signs. I certainly

> find its attempts to describe people through signs the least satisfying of

> its techniques. Having said that, I agree about the Vedic tradition. The

> first book I ever read on jyotish, and the one that inspired my interest,

> was Light on Life by Hart De Fouw and Robert Savota (might have spelled

> those wrong...too lazy to go and check this early in the morning); the book

> left me with a feeling of bliss, which I'm sure is the energy imparted by

> the topic - I wanted to explore that bliss.

>>

>