2-[FairfieldLife] & Tom, from Mark Kincaid.... 3/4..... re.... Beliefs, Indivituality & Reality....

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Dear Friends:

 

Here's a wonderful discussion about individuality and Cosmic... brahman self awareness....

 

I believe that Jyotish, and the entire wisdom of Consciousness astrology helps us reach higher levels of Being...

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Thom:

 

I would agree with much that you say, but I think there's much strong evidence that

indicates that some powerfully clear 'individuality' continues, whether in this body, or

the Astral body all, till we achieve final Brahman.

 

There is a particular chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography book where his Master comes back to him after having passed away and he describes what life is like after death, and the fact that he had incarnated on a very 'high' Astral world and the discussion about physical, astral and even casal worlds of existence...is quite illuminating...

 

There's another book that I've read in the last couple of years, called Journey of Souls which is a fascinating account of a Hypnotist in Colorado who regularly regressed his patients back into the early stages of this life, trying to help them resolve some conflict there which seemed to be messing up their present.

 

Well, accidently, he found not only did they go into their early life, they would also slip into past lives...and even more profoundly the 'space' where souls, individuals are supposed to go 'between lives'. I found this utterly fascinating and it seemed to have this amazing effect of stirring up some very deep, cosmic memories.

 

His descriptions of how you meet people 'over there', when you're not in your earthly body anymore, but you can just 'tell' that someone 'else' is a soul that you've known for many life times. And he talks about how we plan out and work on our earthly incarnations.

 

Personally, I've had enough 'brahman' type experiences now, where my quote, 'entire' individuality, 'mark' nature is so transcended that only ...the purest kind of Self...nature remains.

 

But, there's a thread of continuity there... My last great experience had me experiencing myself as the Self..of say...a huge part of the milky way...galaxy...and many solar Suns, solar systems including the Earth, existed or resided within me...and I was both that 'totality',...but when I put attention on it...I could trace my background, my previous link to that which I knew had been that 'mark' character... but now, I knew that I was that great, 'that', Self... and my previous 'I', mark, individuality was like a leaf on a tree, in a small forest, in a small state, in a small country, and even world...

 

And I also knew that everyone else...who were like the other leaves.... were also that Self...

but there was not this sense of loss of 'individuality' like I had thought previously when I contemplated enlightenment or Brahman.... there was just this wonderful...big 'I'...which included all the previous little 'I's...

 

Experience.... alone seems to really clear up the whole thing...

 

And discussions for me, now, are just fascinating .... ideas...but I now, know 'reality' is much more grand...then our intellects can imagine!

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

" demaris4 " <smq

FairfieldLife

Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:31:21 -0000

FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Beliefs

 

 

great question & answer.

This idea of mapping is a revelation to me, and i hope will be

useful; even just the concept has already helped in a vague way,

regarding all sorts of solid beliefs that I appreciate but don't

hold, stuff that i can't seem to believe. And it's good i think to

relate to such beliefs - " mapping " might enable that - without being

patronizing. (I can't help being sort of irritated by the patronizing

superiority of various shades of non-believers, e.g. calling the

beliefs " comforting " for the poor dears)....Thanks. Excellent.

-sa

 

> Therefore, when I hear a lot of talk about reincarnation - as

happened at

> the memorial service - I go through a process of " mapping " the

beliefs and

> claims I hear to ideas that do seem more solid and real to me.

Much of what

> Krishna says in the Gita can be mapped to a sense in which that

which

> survives, and does not die, and which water cannot wet, and so

forth, is

> Being itself. That which truly *lives* in this world is not, to

me, just

> the individual. It is intelligence and consciousness itself - and

the

> emergent and self-manifesting nature of the universe.

>

> I realize that most people who believe in reincarnation believe

that an

> individual soul or spirit takes on a series of bodies and somehow

persists

> between embodiments and so forth. I do not believe that, and I do

not

> believe that the righteous " go " somewhere after death and the

unrighteous

> another place. I do believe that righteousness " lives on " and has

its

> effects, besides being, perhaps, intrinsically worthwhile.

>

> This kind of " mapping " of ideas and beliefs from one paradigm or

mythology

> (other peoples') to another (my own) goes on a lot for me. It is

so clear

> that we live in our own created worlds of meaning and mythical

coherence. I

> respect the meaning and efficacy of different mythical packages - a

few have

> worked strongly for billions of people for a long time. But I do

not

> partake of the most obvious and far-reaching mythical constructions

myself.

>

> And you?

>

> Thom

>

>

>

> -

> " anonymousff " <no_reply >

> <FairfieldLife >

> Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:02 PM

> [FairfieldLife] Re: Levi Butler Memorial

>

>

> > FairfieldLife , " Thom Krystofiak "

<krysto@k...>

> > wrote:

> > ALL SNIPPED

> >

> > Thom,

> >

> > Thank you for writing this up. I was hoping that you would.

> >

> > Regarding a phrase that you used: " matters of the spirit, " it is

not

> > necessary to have a belief in the afterlife or in reincarnation,

in

> > order to lead a spiritual life or follow a spiritual path. You

have

> > intimated on FFL that you may not hold such beliefs yourself.

> >

> > On that basis, I wonder how you reacted to what was an important

> > theme of the evening, that Levi did not perish, but had moved on.

> > Such thoughts can be very comforting. It certainly seemed that

Levi's

> > family harbored such thoughts, based on their own understandings.

If

> > you do not believe in reincarnation, how do you react when you

hear

> > Bevan quoting the gita about where the righteous go after death of

> > the body, and under what conditions they get reborn?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > anon

 

 

 

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