How to read bhadaka sthana

October 1, 2008

Dear members

The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.

Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.

1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)

2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.

Dhanabalan

October 1, 2008

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura.org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

dear sir,

KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish somebody to further examine.

rao chitturu.

--- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and

Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in

K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

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October 2, 2008

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and

Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in

K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan

Whether KSK has used naadi or western or vedic,what we are worried is result as you rightly said.I quote you:>>>Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion<<< mixing of various methods put together are not leading to confusion because they give you result;you are happy and your clients are more happy.

tkp

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 6:20 AM

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comWednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and

Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used: http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in

K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

Drar Members,

No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP Astrologers are successful in

correct prediction. Vedic system with several slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make

researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for which the

events are known to them and to arrive at a satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the benefit of KP followers. Researches made by Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime.

Astrologically yours,

K.S.V.Ramani.

-

Dhanabalan R

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM

Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used: http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

One is making oneself confused and others but not real KP followers.

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Members

>

> Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p.

is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then

there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink

method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also

said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So

we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just

because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to

follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in

otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

>

> The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

>

> Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from

vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus

system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western

leads all this confusion.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

>

> Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

>

Dear Friends,

> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of

KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is

not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see

the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is

called.

> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

nothing to do with KP.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> Msg#16208

>

> Re: Marraige yes or no?

> Dear Sudharsan ji,

>

> 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme

charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by

choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New

KPA.)

> http://www.astraura .org

>

> Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

>

> Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm,

Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

>

> 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge

17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp

falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is

from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from

4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th

cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a

cusp to the next cusp.. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord

of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign

lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd

because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le &

opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling,

ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and

lords of

> these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in

addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and

Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can

be seen at the following link how location of planets can be

different depending on the House System used:

>

> http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign

Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th

houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one

sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th

houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members

> >

> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees

and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava

base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It

is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

experience.

> >

> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

based and not bhava based.

> >

> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)

> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> >

> > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used

the Naadi principle in K.P.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

>

October 2, 2008

It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP principles in this regard.

, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:>> Â > dear sir,> KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish somebody to further examine.> rao chitturu.> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.> Regards,> tw> Â > Msg#16208> Â > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic HoroscopeÂ at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)> Â http://www.astraura .org> Â > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> Â > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/Â Â 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> Â > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge 17:03:15, 4th cuspÂ Â Cn 02:56:07,Â Â 5th cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is fromÂ Â 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge 17:03:15,Â 3rd house is from 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cuspÂ Â Cn 02:56:07,Â 4th house from 4th cuspÂ Â Cn 02:56:07 toÂ Â 5th cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign.Â 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus,Â EqualÂ and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4thÂ & opposite 10th cusps are the same in PlacidusÂ and Koch House Systems. Ket CnÂ 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> Â > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 toÂ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is fromÂ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord JupiterÂ owns allÂ Â Â 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar,Â areÂ intercepted in her chart.> Regards,> tw> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > Â > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Â > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > Â > > 1,5,9Â Â Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > Â > > Â > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > Â > > Â Dhanabalan> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos./groups/>

October 2, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

New research not always override old knowledge. Sometimes it can also complementary to the existing research. Existence of 4-step or Cuspal interlink doens't mean that KP was not giving result. It may be due to the fact that they (people behind new research) find another method which can also be useful. It may also mean that they think that their method is simpler to use and easy to understand. Mere existence of 4-step and other methods cannot be quoted as a reason for failure of KP. If anybody thinks that KP doesn't work and some other method works, s/he will have to show it by practical examples.

I also don't agree to your other statement that KP cannot overrule Vedic. I would like to use some other words like classical or Parashari in place of the word 'Vedic', because otherwise it may look like that the KP is non-Vedic. Anyways coming to the point, there are various topics like yogas and exaltation/ debilitation where Sri KSK has overruled classical approach. He found that those priciples are not working based on his reserach and overruled in KP.

I don't know why mixing of classical with Western creates confusion to you. I have the view that it just simplifies and improves upon the existing system. Anyways, different people do have different approaches and understanding and that is the reason there are many systems. If one finds some other system suits better to his/ her taste, s/he should use that. Ultimately one should choose the system which works for him/ her.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

2008/10/2 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller's method or Dr.Kar's method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.

> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

information is noted with thanks

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP principles in this regard.

@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@.. ..> wrote:>> Ã‚ > dear sir,> KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish somebody to further examine.> rao chitturu.> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are

Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.> Regards,> tw> Ã‚ > Msg#16208> Ã‚ > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic HoroscopeÃ‚ at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp.. due to Old and New KPA.)> Ã‚ http://www.astraura .org>

Ã‚ > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> Ã‚ > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/Ã‚ Ã‚ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> Ã‚ > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Ge 17:03:15, 4th cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 02:56:07,Ã‚ Ã‚ 5th cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is fromÃ‚ Ã‚ 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Ge 17:03:15,Ã‚ 3rd house is from 3rd cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 02:56:07,Ã‚ 4th house from 4th cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 02:56:07 toÃ‚ Ã‚ 5th cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th

cuspÃ‚ Ã‚ Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign.Ã‚ 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus,Ã‚ EqualÃ‚ and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4thÃ‚ & opposite 10th cusps are the same in PlacidusÃ‚ and Koch House Systems. Ket CnÃ‚ 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> Ã‚ >

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 toÃ‚ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is fromÃ‚ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord JupiterÃ‚ owns allÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar,Ã‚ areÃ‚ intercepted in her chart.> Regards,> tw> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > Ã‚ > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated

for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Ã‚ > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > Ã‚ > > 1,5,9Ã‚ Ã‚ Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > Ã‚ > > Ã‚ > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr..KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > Ã‚ > > Ã‚ Dhanabalan> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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October 2, 2008

It was misunderstood about the duration of ayanamsa, which doesn't

matter by substracting the same vale from the sayana position of each

cusp.

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal

points is

> less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP

> principles in this regard.

>

> , rao chitturu <csr162002@> wrote:

> >

> > Â

> > dear sir,

> > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the

differen ce

> between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa -

it is

> a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

birth

> charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

> > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish

somebody

> to further examine.

> > rao chitturu.

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> >

> > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars

of

> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is

not

> KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl

see the

> charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

> > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

> nothing to do with KP.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> > Â

> > Msg#16208

> > Â

> > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> >

> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme

> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by

> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic HoroscopeÂ at the free link given

> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and

New

> KPA.)

> > Â http://www.astraura .org

> > Â

> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > Â

> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/Â Â 18:30 GMT),

> Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> > Â

> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

System.

> In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge 17:03:15,

> 4th cuspÂ Â Cn 02:56:07,Â Â 5th cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58,

> (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd

house

> is fromÂ Â 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge

> 17:03:15,Â 3rd house is from 3rd cuspÂ Â Ge 17:03:15 to 4th

> cuspÂ Â Cn 02:56:07,Â 4th house from 4th cuspÂ Â Cn

> 02:56:07 toÂ Â 5th cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th

> cuspÂ Â Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from

> a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury,

lord of

> 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign

lord

> where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd

because

> 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign.Â 4 signs Le & opposite Aq

> and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called

> intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

cusps

> are the same in Placidus,Â EqualÂ and Koch House Systems, and in

> addition 4thÂ & opposite 10th cusps are the same in PlacidusÂ

> and Koch House Systems. Ket CnÂ 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It

> can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be

> different depending on the House System used:

> > Â

> > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

01:42:47,

> 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie.

2nd

> house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 toÂ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd

> house is fromÂ 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and

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> JupiterÂ owns allÂ Â Â 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs,

> Vi, Li, Pi, Ar,Â areÂ intercepted in her chart.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > > Â

> > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8

degrees

> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not

bhava

> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign.

It is

> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

> experience.

> > > Â

> > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

based

> and not bhava based.

> > > Â

> > > 1,5,9Â Â Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)

> > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> > > Â

> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has

used

> the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > > Â

> > > Â Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

> > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one

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> to http://in.promos./groups/

> >

>

October 2, 2008

Best of all systems --- from a positive point of view.

May please request to come on with proof of practical study other than repeated groundless accusations.

Msg#9933. In my KP observation of three level death-related dasas of 40notable horoscopes ---- Nostradamus (d. 1556), Napoleon (d. 1821) ----- B V Raman (d. 1998), JFK JR (d. 1995) --- frequency of 6H with anyof three dasa level is 35/40 --- 75%, 8H connection is 62% --- 12Hinvolvement is 70% in any level of dasa, ----- of course Maraka (2or 7H) at top with 90% and Badhaka 72%.

, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani wrote:>> Drar Members, > > No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP Astrologers are successful in> correct prediction. Vedic system with several slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make> researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for which the > events are known to them and to arrive at a satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the benefit of KP followers. Researches made by Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime.> > Astrologically yours,> > K.S.V.Ramani.> - > Dhanabalan R > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM> Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > Dear Members> > Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.> > The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic. > > Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion. > > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM> > > Dear Friends,> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.> Regards,> tw> > Msg#16208> > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji,> 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)> http://www.astraura .org> > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41 > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used: > > > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.> Regards,> tw> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > > > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > Dhanabalan> >>

October 2, 2008

Dear Ramani

" many KP Astrologers are successful in correct prediction."

Please list few K.p. astrologers who are giving correct prediction in k.p.

Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:04 AM

Drar Members,

No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP Astrologers are successful in

correct prediction. Vedic system with several slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make

researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for which the

events are known to them and to arrive at a satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the benefit of KP followers. Researches made by Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime.

Astrologically yours,

K.S.V.Ramani.

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM

Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comWednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and

Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in

K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

October 2, 2008

Dear Tin Win

What is the definition for real k.p. followers.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 10/2/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

One is making oneself confused and others but not real KP followers.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Members> > Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.> > The foundation for k.p.

is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic. > > Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853.>> Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming

onself.> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign.. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.> Regards,> tw> > Msg#16208> > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)> http://www.astraura

..org> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn

24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp.. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:>

> http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.> Regards,> tw> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > The bhadaka sthana

for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > > > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > Dhanabalan>

>>

October 2, 2008

Recently mr.Tinwin predicted, one of my prediction accepted by Smt.Sushma,Dr.L.Roa also predicted very accuratete. i hope Kp members have observed it.

There are so many kp astrologer pedicts very accurately.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:41 PM

Dear Ramani

" many KP Astrologers are successful in correct prediction."

Please list few K.p. astrologers who are giving correct prediction in k.p. Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comThursday, October 2, 2008, 11:04 AM

Drar Members,

No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP Astrologers are successful in

correct prediction. Vedic system with several slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make

researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for which the

events are known to them and to arrive at a satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the benefit of KP followers. Researches made by Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime.

Astrologically yours,

K.S.V.Ramani.

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM

Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

Dear Members

Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khullerâ€™s method or Dr.Karâ€™s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comWednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

Dear Friends,

1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

tw

Msg#16208

Re: Marraige yes or no?

Dear Sudharsan ji,

1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)

http://www.astraura .org

Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and

Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

Regards,

tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in

K.P.> > Dhanabalan>

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Sahhasra Sagara--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:45 PM

Dear Tin Win

What is the definition for real k.p. followers.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 10/2/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comThursday, October 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

One is making oneself confused and others but not real KP followers.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Members> > Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.KhullerÂ¢s method or Dr.KarÂ¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.> > The foundation for k.p.

is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic. > > Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853.>> Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming

onself.> 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign.. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP.> Regards,> tw> > Msg#16208> > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.)> http://www.astraura

..org> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn

24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp.. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used:>

> http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.> Regards,> tw> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > The bhadaka sthana

for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience.> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > > > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > Dhanabalan>

>>

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October 3, 2008

real k.p. followers = those practising the well established KP

principles and rules

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win

> What is the definition for real k.p. followers.

>

> Dhanabalan

> --- On Thu, 10/2/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

>

> Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

One is making oneself confused and others but not real KP followers.

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members

> >

> > Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure

k.p.

> is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then

> there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink

> method or Mr.Khuller¢s method or Dr.Kar¢s method. Mr.Mohankumar

also

> said that he developed a new system which would be released soon.

So

> we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement.

Just

> because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to

> follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in

> otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly.

> >

> > The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic.

> >

> > Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are

from

> vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi.

Placidus

> system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western

> leads all this confusion.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars

of

> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is

> not KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl

see

> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is

> called.

> > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

> nothing to do with KP.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > Msg#16208

> >

> > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> >

> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare

extreme

> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated

by

> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and

New

> KPA.)

> > http://www.astraura .org

> >

> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> >

> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT),

Stockolm,

> Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> >

> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge

> 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp

> falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is

> from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

> from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house

from

> 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th

> cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a

> cusp to the next cusp.. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord

> of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign

> lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and

3rd

> because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le &

> opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp

falling,

> ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners),

and

> lords of

> > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and

in

> addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and

> Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can

> be seen at the following link how location of planets can be

> different depending on the House System used:

> >

> > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one

sign

> Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th

> houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one

> sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th

> houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > >

> > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8

degrees

> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not

bhava

> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign.

It

> is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

> experience.

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

> based and not bhava based.

> > >

> > > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)

> > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> > >

> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has

used

> the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

>

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