Difference between 4 step method and k.p.

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Dear members

 

Mr.KSK has used Uranus and Neptune for prediction. Whether Mr.KSK has used in one example or 100 examples is not the matter. Hence Mr.Gondhalekar has used all the planets in 4 step method.

 

Some of the k.p. astrologers are using these planets for predictionin k.p. Mr.Tin Win said that these planets are no longer used in k.p. for prediction.

 

These contradictory statements are confusing the k.p. learners.

 

Dhanabalan

 

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Re: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method

 

dear tin winji,

today i am free to reply

regarding your mail queries

1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

i consider 5-8 houses also. i confirm 7csl with help of RP

then i move to DBA, after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord. i dont check transit of Sun

 

2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive

 

3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in particular dasa

 

4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub. they take it only when planet is in own star.

 

5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

 

6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weightage to RP

 

7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages

 

8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book. no neccessity for advertisement. moderator has not allowed me to advertise

 

9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules

i named it as 4 step theory

 

10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader

 

11. I consider hershal,nep and pluto also

 

i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

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Re: Differences between K.P. and 4 step theory

Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:42 PM

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@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: Dear Tin Win Mr.Tin Win has compared the k.p. with 4 step theory. I have some doubts in it. 2. Basic Significators 1) All significators are considered in the order of strength, grade A,B,C,D & E with the astrologer's own judgment based on his experience taking into account of sub lords. Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK has ordered the priority. He recommended to take only the prime significator. One should go to B grade only if A grade is not available. If A grade significator is available there is no need to go to B grade.

Tin Win : to take only the prime significator is in the 4 step, not recommended by Guruji KSK, instead in p 274 of the KP Vol. 2 of 1966:-

It is important to note that if one does not get significators according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied and one stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At last one is to proceed futher and apply the last rule (order (e))

3. Rahu/Ketu Significators 1) Whether Rahu/Ketu is a planet or star lord or sub lord, the followings e been found taken in KP Readers depending on relevance to the event under consideration regardless of their sequence of order ("Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP" by Tin Win in KPE-Zine, May 2007): i) House occupied by Rahu/Ketu, ii) Planet in conjun. with Rahu/Ketu, iii) Planet in aspect to Rahu/Ketu and iv) Star lord of Rahu/Ketu, v) Sign lord of rasi sign occupied by Rahu/Ketu. 2) Conjunction in the same

rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb are used. 3) No planet is wholly benefic or malefic depending on the signification at 3 levels by occupation and lordship. Dhanabalan:Mr. KSK gave priority order. If there is no conjoined planet then only we have to go the next step of aspecting planets. When there is no conjoin and no aspecting planet then only we can go to the next level signlord signification. Mr.KSK did not tell anywhere that conjuction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb for Rahu/Ketu. Mr.KSK is the strong believer of western aspect with orb. In his examples he used the western aspect then and there. His principle is to use western aspect with orb. May be he used vedic

aspect without orb in his examples, for that we should not presume in the other way. Stick to the principle. In some examples he used the western aspect also.

Tin Win : Pl refer the article in which each and every practical signification of Rahu/Ketu in the KP Readers has been reviewed. What said before that Guruji doesn't follow the priority order is correct. Guruji KSK's experimental application in the original 2 volumes is much reduced in the Readers perhaps because of the problem in the reconsilation the outright good or bad by the nature of the Western aspects and the signification by the KP rules. 7.Uranus,

Neptune & Pluto Pluto, no more a planet since 2006, now called Plutoid, was not even mentioned in KP Readers. No planet is wholly benefic or malefic. Dhanabalan: K.P. was developed from vedic astrology only. K.P. is 100% vedic. In k.p. system also houses are not allotted to Uranus, Pluto and Neptune.. These planets are not running the dasas. Hence there is no need to consider these planets for prediction in k.p.

Tin Win: The following poits acn be found in the latest article on "A Review on Effect of Pluto".

1. Although Pluto was discovered in 1930 and originally classified as a planet, limited information on the distant, tiny object delayed a realistic understanding of its characteristics. In 2006 Pluto was reclassified by astronomers as a "dwarf planet" and therefore is no longer considered a planet in astronomy.

2. The Pluto is not mentioned at all in the KP Readers and only the basic knowledge is written about Uranus and Pluto in the KP Reader II as they do not rule any dasa for the KP analysis. They are not practically applied with any example chart, except one time just mentioning of the diseased marriage wife and second marriage for a native having Neptune on the 7th cusp (KP Reader IV, 1978, page 182, under the heading "Can't change fate"). It is to note that it may happen only "if Neptune is afflicted, …" (KP Reader II, page 340).

Dhanabalan

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Astrology is a large-hearted science. Many theories which contradict

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wrote:

>

> Dear members

>  

> Mr.KSK has used Uranus and Neptune for prediction. Whether Mr.KSK

has used in one example or 100 examples is not the matter. Hence

Mr.Gondhalekar has used all the planets in 4 step method.

>  

> Some of the k.p. astrologers are using these planets for

predictionin k.p. Mr.Tin Win said that these planets are no longer

used in k.p. for prediction.

>  

> These contradictory statements are confusing the k.p. learners.

>  

> Dhanabalan

>  

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> Reference (1)

>  

> Re: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method

>  

> dear tin winji,

> today i am free to reply

> regarding your mail queries

> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> i consider 5-8 houses also. i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> then i move to DBA, after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast

moving planet i see star lord. i dont check transit of Sun

>  

> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i

treat it as positive

>  

> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should

be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in particular dasa

>  

> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub. they

take it only when planet is in own star.

>  

> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

>  

> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weightage to RP

>  

> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but

see only messages

>  

> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why

i insist to read the book. no neccessity for advertisement. moderator

has not allowed me to advertise

>  

> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to

conflict in some rules

> i named it as 4 step theory

>  

> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp

reader

>  

> 11. I consider hershal,nep and pluto also

>  

> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> -sunil gondhalekar

>  

>  

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> Reference (2)

> Re: Differences between K.P. and 4 step theory

> Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:42 PM

> " tw853 " <tw853           

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>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

>

>  Dear Tin Win  

>  Mr.Tin Win has compared the k.p. with 4 step theory. I have some

doubts in it.

>   

>   2. Basic Significators

>  1) All significators are considered in the order of strength,

grade A,B,C,D & E with the astrologer's own judgment based on his

experience taking into account of sub lords.

>   

>  Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK has ordered the priority. He recommended to

take only the prime significator. One should go to B grade only if A

grade is not available. If A grade significator is available there is

no need to go to B grade.

>

>

> Tin Win : to take only the prime significator is in the 4 step, not

recommended by Guruji KSK, instead in p 274 of  the KP Vol. 2 of

1966:-

> It is important to note that if one does not get significators

according to the order (a), then only the next rule should be applied

and one stops at a stage when he gets at least 3 significators. At

last one is to proceed futher and apply the last rule (order (e))

>  3. Rahu/Ketu Significators

>  1) Whether Rahu/Ketu is a planet or star lord or sub lord, the

followings e been found taken in KP Readers depending on relevance to

the event under consideration regardless of their sequence of order

( " Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP " by Tin Win in KPE-Zine, May 2007):

>  i) House occupied  by Rahu/Ketu,

>  ii) Planet in conjun. with Rahu/Ketu,

>  iii) Planet in aspect to Rahu/Ketu and

>  iv) Star lord of Rahu/Ketu,

>  v) Sign lord of rasi sign occupied by Rahu/Ketu.

>  2) Conjunction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb

are used.

>  3) No planet is wholly benefic or malefic depending on the

signification at 3 levels by occupation and lordship.

>   

>  Dhanabalan:Mr. KSK gave priority order. If there is no conjoined

planet then only we have to go the next step of aspecting planets.

When there is no conjoin and no aspecting planet then only we can go

to the next level signlord signification.

>   

>  Mr.KSK did not tell anywhere that conjuction in the same rasi sign

and Hindu aspect without orb for Rahu/Ketu. Mr.KSK is the strong

believer of western aspect with orb. In his examples he used the

western aspect then and there. His principle is to use western aspect

with orb. May be he used vedic aspect without orb in his examples,

for that we should not presume in the other way. Stick to the

principle. In some examples he used the western aspect also.

> Tin Win : Pl refer the article in which each and every practical

signification of Rahu/Ketu in the KP Readers has been reviewed. What

said before that Guruji doesn't follow the priority order is

correct.  Guruji KSK's experimental application in the original 2

volumes is much reduced in the Readers perhaps  because of the

problem in the reconsilation the outright good or bad by the nature

of the Western aspects and the signification by the KP rules.

>     

>   

>  7.Uranus, Neptune & Pluto

>  Pluto, no more a planet since 2006, now called Plutoid, was not

even mentioned in KP Readers. No planet is wholly benefic or malefic.

>   

>  Dhanabalan: K.P. was developed from vedic astrology only. K.P. is

100% vedic. In k.p. system also houses are not allotted to Uranus,

Pluto and Neptune.. These planets are not running the dasas. Hence

there is no need to consider these planets for prediction in k.p.

> Tin Win: The following poits acn be found in the latest article

on " A Review on Effect of Pluto " .

>  1. Although Pluto was discovered in 1930 and originally classified

as a planet, limited information on the distant, tiny object delayed

a realistic understanding of its characteristics.  In 2006 Pluto was

reclassified by astronomers as a " dwarf planet " and therefore is no

longer considered a planet in astronomy.

>  2. The Pluto is not mentioned at all in the KP Readers and only

the basic knowledge is written about Uranus and Pluto in the KP

Reader II as they do not rule any dasa for the KP analysis. They are

not practically applied with any example chart, except  one time just

mentioning of the diseased marriage wife and second marriage for a

native having Neptune on the 7th cusp (KP Reader IV, 1978, page 182,

under the heading " Can't change fate " ). It is to note that it may

happen only " if  Neptune is afflicted, … " (KP Reader II, page 340).

>  Dhanabalan

>