calculate date of marrige now-not necessary

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Dear Dhanabalam,

I do not feel I am expert.

You have begin the ---with karaka palanet and ended with calculating marriage date - I am confused there.

Any way I do not want you to test me - I never said that " I am expert-"

I am happy you have accepted other contents-

i do not wish to participate in the analysis of individual charts - with "SELF-STYLED EXPERTS". You way of analysis is not acceptable to me mainly.I wish you should become an expert.

DO NOT EXPECT ME TO WEAST MY TIME IN WHICH i AM NOT INTERESTED.

Now I suggest you to analyse yourself - why many people often comment on your reply - Better analyse your own chart.

rao chitturu

Astrologer

teaching & Counselling.--- On Tue, 23/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: death of father-choose correct analysis. Date: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008, 9:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao

I asked you to calculate the probable date of marriage of the couple. The two charts posted are husband and wife.

 

I did not ask you to calculate the date of death of their father.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: death of father-choose correct analysis.@gro ups.comTuesday, September 23, 2008, 3:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear dhanabalam,

I am happy with your reply-

I like your suggestion for my better participation in the discussions-

In fact, I wish to participate- but my age and health apart from other personal activities do not permit me- So I interupt only when I feel a bare need to strengthen the line of discussion in the group.

In the given charts for discussion - we need not go into discussion - Pl.note that knowing the date of death of father from the son's birth chart is not always correct - It may agree in one son's chart and may not with other son.

Mainly, the practice of knowing of somebody from the charts of other(s)- is a method to be resorted upon as a last resort- It should not be a regular one - not even for academic purpose. This is mainle because -

with the limited number of planets, rasis, bhavas and stars - an innumerable number of permitations and combinations are formed mathematically - with this anything can be proved / disproved in astrology - this makes us to get into all formidable discussions - irritable feelings.etc.

 

The job of mixing graha karakatwa, bhava karakatwa and rasi karakatwa and arrving at conclusions is unique exercise for each chart - though you can postulate formulae in comparing charts.Human being are similar but not identical.

rao chitturu

astrologer

teaching & Counselling.

 

--- On Sun, 21/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com> wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comSunday, 21 September, 2008, 10:13 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Chitturu

 

I am not bothering about your adverse comment against me. Being a teacher and counseller, instead of giving adverse comments, I request you to participate in the discussion. In K.P., the exaltation is not considered. I am justifying it.

The following two charts are belongs to husband and wife. Though the father's karaka planet sun is in exaltation, their fathers died in the childhood. X(Husband) Date of birth 9-5-1959 at 7.08 AM in Salem Taurus lagna 12 degrees; Sun at 24 degree in Aries (exaltation) Father died before the birth of the native. Karaka for father Sun is exaltation

Y (Wife) Date of birth 3-5-1970 at 9.01 AM in Salem Gemini lagna 3....30’ degrees; Sun at 19 degree in Aries (exaltation) Father died within one year after the birth of the native. Karaka for father Sun is exaltation

Generally, the planets in the first 5 degree (infant) of any sign will not give results. Likewise the planets in the last 5 degree(old age) of any sign will not give results. It is a general rule in vedic. It is strictly followed in “Systems Approach†by V.K.Chouthry. All the planets moolatrikona house is one of its own sign. In the System approach method, only the Moolatrigona sign is considered and not the exaltation. But the Moon is exalted at 3 degree at Taurus and Venus is exalted at 27 degree in Pisces.... There is contravesy to the above. I think it is a justification for not considering the exaltation and debilitation in K.P. In the Naadi system, if the exalted planet is in between enemies(bhava kathari yoga), it loses its power of exaltation.

 

If you feel that you are expert, tell me the date of marriage for the above couple. These two charts are not covered in the 12 charts already posted.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 9/20/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comSaturday, September 20, 2008, 11:09 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalam,

Your statement that 'Astrolgers are also astronomers" is not always correct.

We are , still, learners in both the fields.We have as astrolgers have gone a bit more with an understanding of astronomival base.

You can at any time compare different systems - but there is a way to compare. You are getting yourself confused in bascs and are also propmted by your anxiety to prolong discussions -

You have no knowledge of the atronomical basis for arriving at exaltation points exaltations.

You are refering to the Placidous system of bhava division witj out understanding the duration of a star in both systems. For instance, the duration of each star is not uniform in hindu system - but in westrn system all stars are of equal duration of 13deg 29 mts.

You refer to Hindu panchang - the suration of a star is not uniformly 24 hrs .

You have also no knowledge of the princple of Ayanamsa - It is always changing. You know it only as a difference between Sayana and Nirayana - But how it formed and calculated is - on the basis of earth's rotation and revolution - and a third principle of shifting of earth's axis.

It appears that you lack a "Guru" or a suitable "Guru" to put your studies in an order. You do get a benefit when you learn from a good guru directly - besides reading standard books-

Pl.understand that -you are refering to fundamentals of the systems - I do not mind writing on such matters - for the benefit all beginners - but sometimes I may not be able to go in details for want of time - So do not get disturbed , hereafter, if I cannot concentrate to reply your qurries.

I suggest you get in touch of a good guru for better understanding of fundamentals before comparing the systems - I do not want to discourage - You should continue your studies - but in anorder.

rao chitturu

astrologer

teaching & counselling.--- On Sat, 20/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comSaturday, 20 September, 2008, 8:25 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao

Exaltation based on vedic differ from exaltation based on western. Placidous system with bhava begin is western method. But we are following in k.p. system. K.p. is amalgamation of vedic and western. Hence there is a necessity to compare the exaltation in both the system.

 

Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic is correct or western is correct is the question. Astrologers are also astronomers. So we can discuss.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 9/19/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comFriday, September 19, 2008, 1:40 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan.

Arohana and avrohana positions are used in arriving at Ishta bala and kashtabala of lanets.

Sayana and Nirayana positions need not be tallied to compare the exaltation positions - And the comaprision of Vedic and Western points of exaltation - is an exercise of Astronomy-

It involves lot of maths whcich can be followed only by Astronomers -

Comparing that way is not correct in my view-

Rao chitttru.

--- On Fri, 19/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com> wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comFriday, 19 September, 2008, 4:23 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Chitturu

 

I have studied about the exaltation in vedic astrology. I accept that it is used to calculate shad bala. Further there is aroganam and avaroganam... . . . . . .

 

The difference between sayana system and nirayana system is about 23 degrees. This 23 degree difference is not maintained for the exaltation point in vedic and wstern system. Please compare the exaltation point of all the planets in vedic and western system and give your comments.

 

Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 9/19/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comFriday, September 19, 2008, 10:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan,

With due regards for your devotion to the subject, I am surprised to hear from you that you are able to see the "scientific explanation" for combustion and not for exaltation, debilitation. I am unable to know your meaning of .."SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION" ..

I do not mean to hurt you.

If you go through the traditional books and the purpose of Shadbala, Avasthas etc., to know the positional strength -- you will appreciate the Astronomical background behind reading a chart.

At many places they are referred and lot of importance is given for such positions in predictive astrology.

While reading the standard traditional books I prefer to read with a presumption that they are all well proved and written by standard authors like PARASARA ETC., even KP system is based on Hindu traditional astrology. KP system can be simply described as a Hindu system blended with principles of western astrology. the advent of KP system cannot rule out the tradiional system - KP system can also described as "Nakshtra Navamsa" by standard authors.

Comming to combustion effect distance of ORB is mentioned to know the effect of combustion with different planets.

Regarding Combustion of Sun and Mercury - as Mercury is in the next orbit of Sun it has a good resistance - and the combination of Sun and Mercury in Gemini,Leo and Virgo described as a Good Yoga - Budhaditya Yoga - the bad rapt conjunction of Mercury and Sun is likely to cause forgetfullness-

The effect of each planet is to be seen on the merits of individual planets.

Comming to predictive part of astrology - one must rember - at any given time the native gets a 'package deal' of all planets with a leadership of one or more planets depending on their transit or dasa, bhukti etc, positions.

Mathematical calculationsa nd accuracy are very essential bad not to the extent of erroding predictive skills of the astrologer. Predictive skills are purely personal and are very timely. Still practice makes one perfect in predictions - Yet the accuracy of predictions are the luck of bothe the native and the astrologer of that time. mathematical formulae cannot solely give predictive skills.

rao chitturu

 

 

--- On Thu, 18/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com> wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comThursday, 18 September, 2008, 5:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Chitturu

 

Is there any scientific explanation for exaltation and debilitation. I do not think any scientific justification for exaltation. I have tried to find out the scientic explanation but I could not succeed.

 

But there is some scientific explanation for combustion. Rapt conjunction of sun and venus has its own effect. No one can deny this. Mr.KSK said that there is no combustion effect for mercury. I have read in some other vedic books that there is no combustion effect for Venus and Saturn.

 

I accept that we should not neglect exaltation and combustion. It needs deep study.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 9/18/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Combustion of planets@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008, 6:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Dr.Luther, Sir,

Cobustion, exaltation etc., are not considered in KP - to my knowledge.... . . . . . . . .

May be the researchers in KP, out of their personal experienceses might have added some observation. Then it is to be seen on the merits of individual charts- because the observations of experiensed cannot be easily ruled out.

In traditional theories they are taken among other considerations for predictive puposes.

Traditional theories need long discussions - so I cannot discuss in this forum.Any standard book on hindu traditional system deal with this.

rao chitturu.--- On Wed, 17/9/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther > Combustion of planets@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 September, 2008, 11:26 AM

 

 

Respected Rao Chitturu Sir,1. ‘Vikala’ is one of the states of existence, ‘Avastha’ of planets out of ten. This avastha indicates loss of wife and children, disgrace, disease etc according to tradition. ‘Vikala’ is translated as ‘combustion’. What does actually combustion mean in astrology? In other words what does ‘Vikala’ mean?2. It is mentioned that different planets have different orbs for application of combustion. For example Saturn has an orb of 15 degrees from Sun. During August and September this year Saturn remains in this zone for about 35 days [sun (-) 15 to Sun (+) 15]. Does it mean that Saturn is combust for all these 35 days? In case of Moon it comes to about 2 days in combustion every month. The period of combustion for other planets varies accordingly.3. What should be our reading for combust planets in KP?With regards.Dr.

Luther

 

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