Birth Time Rectification or Verification

September 23, 2008

Dear Friend,

The idea is theorectically sound.

Practically how many example charts in the KP 6 Readers have been

found as done by the way explained here ?

Is there any proof supported by research that any method of

verification or BRT can be reliable than any TOB without doubt?

Another thing, life is not set by astrological rules like in a

mathematical equation.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology wrote:

>

> Respected Raichur Sir,

>

> Pranams to you. My humble opinion here.

>

> We should accept your point of view. As you have said, in America,

it is OKAY.

> But, what about millions of other births elsewhere?

>

> To see or to determine whether the given birth time is correct or

not is the problem every KP astrologer is really worried about, as

the theory in KP demands.

>

> To the kind attention of all KP Astrologers:

> Please note this:

> --

------

> I was born in my maternal grandfather's house, which is in the next

street to my father's place ( my place of living since birth).

> With no doctors there, only an old lady nurse took charge of my

birth, I was told by my mother later on.

>

> My D.O.B.: 10.03.1960

> T.O.B.: 6.30 AM (as noted by my grandfather, who was there)

> P.O.B.: SALEM (TAMILNADU, INDIA)

> 11.39.00 N; 78.10.00

> Some Events:

> My Marriage date: 26.8.1987

> My Father died on: 10.01.1991 in his 56th year -

> died in New York, USA, at my second

younger brother's place.

> My Mother died on 29.09.2002 in her 60th year - last breath in own

house after shifting

> from hospital. (diabetic for 34 years,

last 7 yrs right leg amputated)

>

> This birth time of mine, naturally, warrants verification by some

logical reasoning.

> --

------

> If we can determine that the given time is correct up to the

minute, by judging the Asc. Sublord appearing for that given time,

then we need to only fine-tune this birth time, give or take maximum

5 minutes, a range considered reasonable as in the case of mine.

>

> So, we all can comfortably agree that every Given Birth Time must

be verified in the first instance, and then be rectified only if need

be, by reason that Asc. Sublord appearing for that time does not seem

to match with Birth Moon'S position in some way or other.

>

> Let me repeat a part of the message I posted last month under the

heading " BTR by a Student "

>

> Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way

> of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our

> Guruji. Yes, I do accept.

>

> But WHY? I had this question in the year

> 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

> Guruji had said, " Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the

Moon of the Birth Chart " .

> " HOW? " is the question for KP followers. But " WHY? " was the first

question for me then.

>

> My thinking and derived answer came out like this:

> " HUMAN BIRTH.

> The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means

Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our

SOUL (or Life given by Father).

> MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave

us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by

Mother).

> Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

> My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would

not get into someone else's body.

> So, in one's chart, " ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY " .

> Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

> This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: " Lagna

should, in any manner. be connected to Moon. "

> This above concept, I think, is the reason to have every chart

verified as to the correctness of the given birth time.

> So, to repeat my words: " Every TOB need to be verified, if not

rectified " .

>

> With thanks and warm regards,

>

> MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)

> Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor

> Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)

> 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006

> Cell: 99443-07025

>

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

>

> Monday, September 22, 2008 8:43:16 PM

> Re: Re: Birth time rectification

>

> Dear Mr.Raichur,

> As per K.P., it is advisable to

check/verify the correctness of any Birth Chart given for

reading...KSK has,advised 3 steps(ref::Reader VI Pp134-142) :

> i) Verification of Birth Time Given

> ii) Correction of Birth Time

> iii) Then to fix the correct position of

the Ascendant.

> Several methods have been discussed too...

> Also,I am not so sure that the exact Time

of Birth is noted...

> In any case what is the harm in

checking...? If it is correctly noted it MUST reflect in the RPs at

Birth and also at the Time of judgement... !

> In my own practice I check the Birth Time

for every horoscope handed to me for predictions during

consultation. ..

> With highest regards,

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, 22 September, 2008 4:59:34 PM

> Re: Re: Birth time rectification

>

> Not every TOB has to be verified, before prediction. One has to be

practical in the matter.

> If a child is born in an American Hospital in presence of

father,who gies you a photo of the birth as will as the time, it

would be unnecessary to further verification, just for sake of

following a rule.

> good luck

>

> raichur anant mumbai

>

> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Sundar Balakrishnan <sundar190561@ .co.

in> wrote:

>

> Sundar Balakrishnan <sundar190561@ .co. in>

> Re: Re: Birth time rectification

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:31 PM

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> You are missing one point. I am not saying that, I cannot do it.

The point here is any horoscope before it is taken up for analysis,

has to be rectified. Am I correct?

>

> Further, If I as a layman go I to two different astrlogers (by

email) say with a gap of 1 year, then the first KP astrologer (in

mumbai) would have done his rectification. After a gap of 1 year, I

go to another KP astrologer (in USA), he would also do the

rectification.

>

> In the above case, if the 2nd astrologer arrives at Pisces asc

based on the RP, and also provides his predictions, then, isn't it

absurd.

>

> Thanks...... ......Sundar

>

> --- On Mon, 22/9/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> Re: Birth time rectification

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, 22 September, 2008, 1:26 PM

>

> Dear Sundar ji,

> I am no expert on Kp, but you dont need an expert to do this.

>

> First of all why do you need to consult two people from 2

continents at the same time ? That would be absurd. Secondly why do

you need anyone at all, if you know this much about Ruling planets.

>

> Out of curiosity I just checked the RP's now at Bombay 22nd

September.

> Time is 13.15.22 ( jagannath Hora software used ).

>

> I get Sagittarius rising.

> Moon in Rahu star.

> Moon in Raashi of Mercury.

> Day is Monday

> Asc. star is ketu.

>

> If You look further than asc.SL is jupiter.

>

> Saturn does not appear anywhere.

>

> Try to rectify your time keeping Pisces asc. as base in mind, and

verify the events as per dashas running alongwith the significators

of the dasha Lords.

>

> I am myself born near your birthplace at Eluru in

> same month and year on June 28th 1961..

> I did my rectification myself and compared it with experts

> verdict afterwards. You must try the same.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com

>

> @gro ups.com, " sundar190561 "

<sundar190561@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > In my case, the asc is exactly on the cusp between Aquarius &

> > Pisces. A change in timing of 2 to 4 minutes will take the

ascendant

> > from Aquarius to Pisces and due to this the house lordships will

> > urdergo a change.

> >

> > Secondly, if two persons take up the rectification by " ruling

> > planets " from two diametrically opposite continents, the ruling

> > planets will also be different.

> >

> > In such a case how does one go about rectification of chart.

> >

> > I have given my birth details below:

> >

> > DOB: 22nd June, 1961

> > TOB: 23:38 (IST)

> > POB: Bhimavaram, AP, Lat:16N32, Long:81E32

> >

> > Could any of the experts throw light on this.

> >

>

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September 23, 2008

Dear MK

Go Ahead with your experience and expertise.

I wish u all the best.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Mon, 22/9/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrologyRe: Re: Birth Time Rectification or Verification Date: Monday, 22 September, 2008, 11:39 PM

Respected Raichur Sir,Pranams to you. My humble opinion here.We should accept your point of view. As you have said, in America, it is OKAY. But, what about millions of other births elsewhere?To see or to determine whether the given birth time is correct or not is the problem every KP astrologer is really worried about, as the theory in KP demands.To the kind attention of all KP Astrologers:Please note this: ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----I was born in my maternal grandfather' s house, which is in the next street to my father's place ( my place of living since birth).With no doctors there, only an old lady

nurse took charge of my birth, I was told by my mother later on.My D.O.B.: 10.03.1960 T.O.B.: 6.30 AM (as noted by my grandfather, who was there) P.O.B.: SALEM (TAMILNADU, INDIA) 11.39.00 N; 78.10.00 Some Events:My Marriage date: 26.8.1987My Father died on: 10.01.1991 in his 56th year - died

in New York, USA, at my second younger brother's place.My Mother died on 29.09.2002 in her 60th year - last breath in own house after shifting from hospital. (diabetic for 34 years, last 7 yrs right leg amputated)This birth time of mine, naturally, warrants verification by some logical reasoning.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----If we can determine that the given time is correct up to the minute, by judging the Asc. Sublord appearing for that given time, then we need to only fine-tune this birth time, give or take maximum 5 minutes, a range considered

reasonable as in the case of mine.So, we all can comfortably agree that every Given Birth Time must be verified in the first instance, and then be rectified only if need be, by reason that Asc. Sublord appearing for that time does not seem to match with Birth Moon'S position in some way or other. Let me repeat a part of the message I posted last month under the heading "BTR by a Student"

Why should we get the ASC position connected to that of Moon by way of Planets as such? Just because it has been said so in KP by our Guruji. Yes, I do accept.

But WHY? I had this question in the year 2000, when I took up this issue to get into KP principles.

Guruji had said, "Lagna should, in any way, be connected to the Moon of the Birth Chart".

"HOW?" is the question for KP followers. But "WHY?" was the first question for me then.

My thinking and derived answer came out like this: "HUMAN BIRTH.

The Seed Of Life was received by Mother from Father. Father means Sun. Lagna is calculated from Sun's position. So, LAGNA means our SOUL (or Life given by Father).

MOON represents Mother who received Seed from Father. Mother gave us physical form or body. So, MOON means our BODY (given by Mother).

Divine Science says: SOUL and BODY should agree with each other.

My body would not accept someone else's Soul AND my Soul would not get into someone else's body.

So, in one's chart, "ONE'S SOUL SHOULD MATCH WITH ONE'S OWN BODY".

Hence, LAGNA should show connection to MOON.

This is what our Guruji would have meant by his formula: "Lagna should, in any manner. be connected to Moon."This above concept, I think, is the reason to have every chart verified as to the correctness of the given birth time.So, to repeat my words: "Every TOB need to be verified, if not rectified".With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comMonday, September 22, 2008 8:43:16 PMRe: Re: Birth time rectification

Dear Mr.Raichur,

As per K.P., it is advisable to check/verify the correctness of any Birth Chart given for reading...KSK has,advised 3 steps(ref::Reader VI Pp134-142) :

i) Verification of Birth Time Given

ii) Correction of Birth Time

iii) Then to fix the correct position of the Ascendant.

Several methods have been discussed too...

Also,I am not so sure that the exact Time of Birth is noted...

In any case what is the harm in checking...? If it is correctly noted it MUST reflect in the RPs at Birth and also at the Time of judgement... !

In my own practice I check the Birth Time for every horoscope handed to me for predictions during consultation. ..

With highest regards,

L.Y.Rao.

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >@gro ups.comMonday, 22 September, 2008 4:59:34 PMRe: Re: Birth time rectification

Not every TOB has to be verified, before prediction. One has to be practical in the matter.If a child is born in an American Hospital in presence of father,who gies you a photo of the birth as will as the time, it would be unnecessary to further verification, just for sake of following a rule.good luck

raichur anant mumbai--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Sundar Balakrishnan <sundar190561@ .co. in> wrote:

Sundar Balakrishnan <sundar190561@ .co. in>Re: Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comMonday, September 22, 2008, 3:31 PM

Dear Bhaskar ji,

You are missing one point. I am not saying that, I cannot do it. The point here is any horoscope before it is taken up for analysis, has to be rectified. Am I correct?

Further, If I as a layman go I to two different astrlogers (by email) say with a gap of 1 year, then the first KP astrologer (in mumbai) would have done his rectification. After a gap of 1 year, I go to another KP astrologer (in USA), he would also do the rectification.

In the above case, if the 2nd astrologer arrives at Pisces asc based on the RP, and also provides his predictions, then, isn't it absurd.

Thanks...... ......Sundar --- On Mon, 22/9/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: Birth time rectification@gro ups.comMonday, 22 September, 2008, 1:26 PM

Dear Sundar ji,

I am no expert on Kp, but you dont need an expert to do this.

First of all why do you need to consult two people from 2 continents at the same time ? That would be absurd. Secondly why do you need anyone at all, if you know this much about Ruling planets.

Out of curiosity I just checked the RP's now at Bombay 22nd September.

Time is 13.15.22 ( jagannath Hora software used ).

I get Sagittarius rising.

Moon in Rahu star.

Moon in Raashi of Mercury.

Day is Monday

Asc. star is ketu.

If You look further than asc.SL is jupiter.

Saturn does not appear anywhere.

Try to rectify your time keeping Pisces asc. as base in mind, and verify the events as per dashas running alongwith the significators of the dasha Lords.

I am myself born near your birthplace at Eluru in

same month and year on June 28th 1961..

I did my rectification myself and compared it with experts

verdict afterwards. You must try the same.

regards,

Bhaskar. www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com

@gro ups.com, "sundar190561" <sundar190561@ ...> wrote:>> In my case, the asc is exactly on the cusp between Aquarius & > Pisces. A change in timing of 2 to 4 minutes will take the ascendant > from Aquarius to Pisces and due to this the house lordships will > urdergo a change. > > Secondly, if two persons take up the rectification by "ruling > planets" from two diametrically opposite continents, the ruling > planets will also be different. > > In such a case how does one go about rectification of chart.> > I have given my birth details below:> > DOB: 22nd June, 1961> TOB: 23:38 (IST)> POB: Bhimavaram, AP, Lat:16N32, Long:81E32> > Could any of the experts throw light on this.>

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September 24, 2008

Dear Saagara Sir,Thank you, Sir.I bow my head to all KP stalwarts of this forum, including my friend TIN WIN JI for their wishes and blessings. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025----- Original Message

----Sagar S <ssagar86 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:38:46 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Rectification or Verification

Dear MK

Go Ahead with your experience and expertise.

I wish u all the best.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Mon, 22/9/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >Re: Re: Birth Time Rectification or Verification@gro ups.comMonday, 22 September, 2008, 11:39 PM

Respected Raichur Sir,Pranams to you. My humble opinion here.We should accept your point of view. As you have said, in America, it is OKAY. But, what about millions of other births elsewhere?To see or to determine whether the given birth time is correct or not is the problem every KP astrologer is really worried about, as the theory in KP demands.To the kind attention of all KP Astrologers:Please note this: ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----I was born in my maternal grandfather' s house, which is in the next street to my father's place ( my place of living since birth).With no doctors there, only an old

lady

nurse took charge of my birth, I was told by my mother later on.My D.O.B.: 10.03.1960 T.O.B.: 6.30 AM (as noted by my grandfather, who was there) P.O.B.: SALEM (TAMILNADU, INDIA) 11.39.00 N; 78.10.00 Some Events:My Marriage date: 26.8.1987My Father died on: 10.01.1991 in his 56th year -

died

in New York, USA, at my second younger brother's place.My Mother died on 29.09.2002 in her 60th year - last breath in own house after shifting from hospital. (diabetic for 34 years, last 7 yrs right leg amputated)This birth time of mine, naturally, warrants verification by some logical reasoning.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----If we can determine that the given time is correct up to the minute, by judging the Asc. Sublord appearing for that given time, then we need to only fine-tune this birth time, give or take maximum 5 minutes, a

range considered