Fw: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

September 20, 2008

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression"Ramesh" <ram_t_1968Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:57 PM

Dear Ramesh (4) Yes. Before 9th Feb 2000. (Possibly married twice or Divorcee now)(5) Yes. Before 14th Jul 1999. (As good as above case) First we take the Charts 4 and 5, who are husband and wife Marriage date: 06-07-1998 Till date they have no child. Till date, the girl did not conceive I think both husband and wife have problem. The boy¢s father was a Government High School teacher The boy¢s mother was a Deputy Collector. The boy is the only child for his parents. The boy entered into the cine field and lost the parental properties. Now that boy is doing shares business. The girl is a house wife only. We will try to match the events with k.p. Husband: Name (Husband) Sex : Male

Date of birth : 23-07-1968

Time of birth : 19-01 PM

Place of birth : Salem

Lattitude : 11N39

Longitude : 78E12

Information about the native: lost parental properties

Rectification with L.Y.Rao¢s method

Sign Star Sub SS SSS Moon Me Rah Ve Ve Moon Asc. Sat Moo Rah Ve Moon VII sublord is Rah DBA at the time of marriage Dasa:Saturn Bukthi:Venus Antharam:Moon Sootsamam:Saturn The prime significators in four fold table for 2,5,7,11 houses are Moon, Ketu, Mars and Mercury. But the fourfold table is not showing Saturn. How the marriage was celebrated in Saturn dasa. Name :E (Wife) Sex : Female

Date of birth : 16-03-1975

Time of birth : 20-05 PM

Place of birth : Salem

Lattitude : 11N39

Longitude : 78E12

Information about the native: nil

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Ramesh <ram_t_1968 wrote:

Ramesh <ram_t_1968Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Cc: r.dhanabalanDate: Friday, September 19, 2008, 9:37 AM

Hi FriendsHere is my attempt. I am not guaranteeing 80%. But the probability / chance. Note - KSK also has told (as told to me by his son) that if an analysis is thrown at you, with malicious intent, both parties involved may not be happy!. So I want to avoid unnecessary discussions! This is a learning exercise for me.I am strictly using the signification of houses, 2, 7 & 11 and if there is none, I will pick the house 5 to explore.(The possibility periods mentioned below can be taken as, from few months before!)(1) Yes. Before 15th Feb 2007. (Delayed possibility in chart. If not married, the next chance is before 15th Feb 2012..)(2) Yes. Before 18th Dec 1998(3) No. Only before 27th June 2011.(4) Yes. Before 9th Feb 2000. (Possibly married twice or Divorcee now)(5) Yes. Before 14th Jul 1999. (As good as above case)(6)

Yes. Before 1st Nov 1978. (Not sure, whether willfully living with another woman from around 17th Nov 1985)(7) Yes. Before 5th Mar 2003 (Possibly living separate/divorced and might marry again around 8th May 2015)(8) No. Only before 8th Dec 2014.(9) Yes. Before 9th Jun 1992. (Not a happy married life!)(10) Yes. Before Oct 2002.(Talks of marriage from around 10th Nov 1992)(11) Yes. Before 14th Aug 1997. (12) Yes. Before 24th Dec 2007. (Very inquisitive in Astrology and challenges tenets!)

As usual like any astro student, I would like to do a post mortem with actual dates/events.Amma Saranam!RegardsRameshhttp://www.amma.org

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, 19 September, 2008 9:49:44 AMRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

Dear Subhash

I have posted the charts not for challenge but for study. My predictions went wrong either based on k..p. original volumes or based on the K.P. Readers. In my observation in this forum, most of the astrologers are expert in postmortem and not experts in giving prediction in advance.

When an astrologer is telling that his success rate is 80%, he should prove in this forum, otherwise it would be considerd as false information only. Members should avoid this type of false information.

Telling the moon position, horary, urge,etc. are only the lame excuse for not able to predict in advance.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008, 9:45 PM

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice..There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they arenot accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the questionis genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. Inthis case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is

concerned. So two plus two isFour.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.">> I have already posted 12 birth details. More

than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my

knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring researchand efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certifyit ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome anyconstructive

suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FORSTEP" is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we seeeven after 100 cases, established

rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission manytimes!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".>> In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn'twrite any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha,

then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (inonly in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2.

Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar">>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> >

rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any

single practical chart has not yet been posted in> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ >> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe>

write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ...."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P.. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > >

> Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >>

> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > >

was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > >

> > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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