Quarry on BTR

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Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

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Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -. (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification", etc.The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

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Dear Sunaparantha,

In my humble opinion,you are correct and your approach is correct...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group

member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

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Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -. (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc.The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

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Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -. (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc.The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

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Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ ..com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -.. (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialingam Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.) With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ ...com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Sunaparantha.

 

Your way of BTR explanation is excellent, except a small correction. The Ascdt. S/L is Venus is also RP Moon's S/L

& not SSL. Please keep it up.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:40 PM

Re: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialingam Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.)

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar, when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB, which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06 Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

 

1. Verifying with RP

Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03 Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

 

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

 

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS

Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

 

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5

 

Conjunction - Nil

 

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

 

Total result is 4 out of 5

 

2. According to the rule " If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

Here in this Natal chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon. Hence it agrees with the above rule.

 

3. According to the 9th Cusp rule, ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"

Here in this Natal chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke

 

My Conclusion :

In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

 

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method, I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

 

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

 

Result: Sat + Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat = 1 out of 5 is ok. By Conjunction Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP Moon. So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.Sunaparantha

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ...com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear MKji'Thanks a lot.I was surprised and disabled on Yr silent. That is why, I made a reminder.The honour of my winning is for U.As U said By Rule 3- Father's Birth Moon's Star lord is Kethu. ie AswiniHappy to see the end with smile.And wish to know more about this.I beg Yr pardon, any inconvenienced caused due to my quarry.Long live with the blessings of the GOD'SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:40:43 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.) With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St..,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ ....com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -.... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani Sir,Thank U very much for your comments on my second shy on verification of BT.I have thoroughly accepted Shri KSK's advise of verifying & rectifying the BT'As a student, before I go for prediction, I must have a sufficient knowledge of the alphabet.I sincerely appreciate Yr guidance and advise to the learning people like me.Guru Brihaspathiye bless for you.Sinc.SunaparanthaRamani <kadavasalramaniTo:

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:09:49 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Mr.Sunaparantha.

 

Your way of BTR explanation is excellent, except a small correction. The Ascdt. S/L is Venus is also RP Moon's S/L

& not SSL. Please keep it up.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

@gro ups.com

Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:40 PM

Re: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.)

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl.. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar, when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB, which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06 Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

 

1. Verifying with RP

Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03 Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

 

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

 

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS

Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

 

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5

 

Conjunction - Nil

 

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

 

Total result is 4 out of 5

 

2. According to the rule " If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

Here in this Natal chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon. Hence it agrees with the above rule.

 

3. According to the 9th Cusp rule, ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"

Here in this Natal chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke

 

My Conclusion :

In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

 

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method, I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

 

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

 

Result: Sat + Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat = 1 out of 5 is ok. By Conjunction Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP Moon. So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything.. I shall help you all with what I know so far.Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.Sunaparantha

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ...com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B)..If any one of these conditions suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend, Sunaparantha,No inconvenience at all.It was a pleasure to see you doing something with my way.Only I should thank you for giving a try.I wish to post my entire priniciple of "MK Rule of Birth Time Verification and Rectification" on coming October 2nd.I hope you would like to see what it is in depth really. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell:

99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:33:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji'Thanks a lot.I was surprised and disabled on Yr silent. That is why, I made a reminder.The honour of my winning is for U.As U said By Rule 3- Father's Birth Moon's Star lord is Kethu. ie AswiniHappy to see the end with smile..And wish to know more about this.I beg Yr pardon, any inconvenienced caused due to my quarry.Long live with the blessings of the GOD'SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comSunday, September 21, 2008 9:40:43 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.) With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St...,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far..Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ .....com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -..... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri MK.,

 

I love your method new findings. Kindly make it open for the members of , so that all will be benefitted by your new theory to be released on 2nd Octr, 08.

 

-

Astrologically yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

Monday, September 22, 2008 10:30 PM

Re: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear Friend, Sunaparantha,No inconvenience at all.It was a pleasure to see you doing something with my way.Only I should thank you for giving a try.I wish to post my entire priniciple of "MK Rule of Birth Time Verification and Rectification" on coming October 2nd.I hope you would like to see what it is in depth really.

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:33:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear MKji'Thanks a lot.I was surprised and disabled on Yr silent. That is why, I made a reminder.The honour of my winning is for U.As U said By Rule 3- Father's Birth Moon's Star lord is Kethu. ie AswiniHappy to see the end with smile..And wish to know more about this.I beg Yr pardon, any inconvenienced caused due to my quarry.Long live with the blessings of the GOD'Sunaparantha

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comSunday, September 21, 2008 9:40:43 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.)

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St...,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar, when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB, which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06 Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

 

1. Verifying with RP

Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03 Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

 

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

 

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS

Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

 

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5

 

Conjunction - Nil

 

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

 

Total result is 4 out of 5

 

2. According to the rule " If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's Starlord, or Sublord or SSlord or SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one".

 

Here in this Natal chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon. Hence it agrees with the above rule.

 

3. According to the 9th Cusp rule, ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"

Here in this Natal chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke

 

My Conclusion :

In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

 

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method, I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

 

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

 

Result: Sat + Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat = 1 out of 5 is ok. By Conjunction Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP Moon. So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far..Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.

With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.Sunaparantha

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ .....com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -..... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds.I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

 

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear MKjiOnce again I thank U for Yr attention.It is very happy to hear, that U are going to post Yr method of Birth Time V & R on my Birth Day.God Bless YouSunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:30:18 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Friend, Sunaparantha,No inconvenience at all.It was a pleasure to see you doing something with my way.Only I should thank you for giving a try.I wish to post my entire priniciple of "MK Rule of Birth Time Verification and Rectification" on coming October 2nd.I hope you would like to see what it is in depth really. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell:

99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, September 22, 2008 8:33:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji'Thanks a lot.I was surprised and disabled on Yr silent. That is why, I made a reminder.The honour of my winning is for U..As U said By Rule 3- Father's Birth Moon's Star lord is Kethu. ie AswiniHappy to see the end with smile..And wish to know more about this.I beg Yr pardon, any inconvenienced caused due to my quarry.Long live with the blessings of the GOD'SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comSunday, September 21, 2008 9:40:43 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct.I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.) With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St....,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far...Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ ......com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -...... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be.. It is to be seen as it is and accept the nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds..I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,Aha! It's your Birthday! Advanced Birthday Wishes to you!I pray that my MK Rule of BTVR be a good gift to you on your birthday over the internet. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:21:50 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKjiOnce again I thank U for Yr attention.It is very happy to hear, that U are going to post Yr method of Birth Time V & R on my Birth Day.God Bless YouSunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comMonday, September 22, 2008 10:30:18 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Friend, Sunaparantha,No inconvenience at all.It was a pleasure to see you doing something with my way.Only I should thank you for giving a try.I wish to post my entire priniciple of "MK Rule of Birth Time Verification and Rectification" on coming October 2nd.I hope you would like to see what it is in depth really. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell:

99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, September 22, 2008 8:33:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji'Thanks a lot.I was surprised and disabled on Yr silent. That is why, I made a reminder.The honour of my winning is for U..As U said By Rule 3- Father's Birth Moon's Star lord is Kethu. ie AswiniHappy to see the end with smile..And wish to know more about this.I beg Yr pardon, any inconvenienced caused due to my quarry.Long live with the blessings of the GOD'SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comSunday, September 21, 2008 9:40:43 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sir,Pardon me for the delay, please. Congrats! You got it right!By Rule 1 - Verification by Ruling Planets is absolutely correct..I am happy that someone can try out my method and get convinced.By Rule 2 - It is O.K. again. That's it. Ascendant connected with Moon in some way.By Rule 3 - Is the father's Birth Moon Starlord "Kethu". Sorry, I do not go for this connection as such. ( As the Secretary of our association "Prof.A.Vaithialing am Astrological Research Society - PAVARS", for the last two days, I was quite busy with my routine work towards arrangements for our Monthly Seminar, which is held on every third Sunday. So the delay in replying to you.) With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.....,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:48:19 PMFw: Quarry on BTR

 

Sorry, Inadvertently I have mixed up an unwanted part of a message with the following mail, which is appeared under my signature. Pl. do erase it and read. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.- Sunaparantha----- Forwarded Message ----Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008 11:37:34 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MKji

First of all I wish to convey my sincere thanks for yr

generosity, granted to me and all students, who are in thirsty to have a better

knowledge in KP.

Further, I am lucky to have a chance to write to a scholar,

when I am in need assistance, as U allowed me in Yr last mail.

Now, herewith I forward the detail of verification of TOB,

which is in my first mail to the forum.

TOB as given by the hospital is 22.04.00 Hrs on 06.07.2008 @Long.80.06

Lat.07.07

SW used JHL Ver. 7.02

Ayanamsa : for Birth 23-53-36.55

For RP 23-53-47.62

1. Verifying with RP Date of judgment - 18.09.2008 at 21.41.19 Hrs @ Long. 80.03

Lat. 07.09

Result of my judgment

Comparison : Asc with RP Moon's position:

Sg.L St.L Sub SS SSS Asc. Sa Ra Ve Ke Ma

 

RP Moon Ma Ve Ve Me Ke

Results:

Match 1. Asc. Ve + RP Moon's Ve

2. Asc. Ma + RP Moon's Ma

3. Asc. Ke + RP Moon's Ke

3 out of 5 Conjunction - Nil

Aspects -

In the Asc. Ra. is in Cp. 26.30.39 in aspect of Me. in Ge. 00.15.10 at the 8th aspect of Me.. Hence another I out of 5 is OK

Sat.. in the Asc. is left as it doesn¢t match with RP Moon

Total result is 4 out of 5 2. According to the

rule "

If the Asc Sublord is the same as Moon's

Starlord, or

Sublord or

SSlord or

SSSlord, then the given time can be taken as the correct one". Here in this Natal

chart, Asc.. Sub Ld is Ve, and Ve is SSS Ld of birth Moon.

Hence it agrees with the above rule. 3. According to the 9th Cusp rule,

ie; "Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......" Here in this Natal

chart, 9th cusp Sub Ld is Sat., who is in the Star of Ke My Conclusion : In the verification with RP it scored 4 out of 5

Other two rules of KP too are completed. As U said, it is

not wise to go far away by neglecting the given TOB and according to my view

and knowledge, there won't be any rectification for the given TOB.

Please thoroughly check my analyzing and verification method,

I have followed. My correctness of the same will be a great guidance for my astrological future.

Om Tat Sat

Sunaparantha

 

Result: Sat +

Sat of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Sat + Sat =

1 out of 5 is ok.

By Conjunction

Ven of (A) Asc matches with RP Moon's Mar +

Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok. By 120 deg aspect Rah of (A) Asc matches

with RP Moon's Mar + Mar = 1 out of 5 is ok.

Left out Sun of (A) Asc doesn't match with RP

Moon.

So, Asc (A)'s total score is = 4 out of 5.

 

 

 

 

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 10:35:32 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha,Thank you very much for the response.Please don't call me 'Guruji'. I am not such a great scholar. Just call me 'MK Ji', if you like it.Pl don't hesitate to ask anything. I shall help you all with what I know so far....Thanks again for the good wishes and the prayer.I extend the same to you. GOD BLESS YOU.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 8:02:38 PMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear MK GurujiI agree with yr opinion cent per cent, as I also hesitated to accept the TOB difference of 9 Min. as well as the parents of that baby. So far I have not come across any crystal clear method of verification or rectification. As such I obeyed to the rule what I have mention. Nowadays I am analyzing my son's Chart according to different rules, as I see in the forumand wish to post to the forum.Further I make this opportunity to graeatful thanks to U and all other Seniors, who participated for my quarry.May Guru Brihaspatihe bless you all.SunaparanthaMohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@ .......com>@gro ups.comWednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:46 AMRe: Quarry on BTR

 

Dear Sunaparantha, You have done a good analysis from the given rules as perceived by you. Well done.May I give my opinion?Recorded Time of Birth in the Hospital is 22.04 Hrs, whereas you have arrived at a Time that is 9 minutes lesser. Do you think that the hospital people would have noted the time only after 9 minutes of cutting the empirical cord, followed by the first cry (breath) of the child?For the sake of the astrological derivations or understanding we have in our hands, we need not go that far. The concept or idea given by Shri MPS in "Astro-Secrets and KP - Part 2", is that:If the Asc Sublord appearing for the given time is the same as Moon's Signlord or more precisely Moon's Starlord, then the given time can be taken as the Correct Birth Time.To check this, consider the below four steps, as given in the above said book:1. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Birth Asc's

Sublord (A)2. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = Sublord of Birth Asc's Sublord (B)3. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (A).4. Birth Moon's Starlord (or Signlord) = SubSubSub Lord of above (B).If any one of these conditions

suits well, then the given time is okay. No need of correction at Sublord level. Keeping this Sublord assumed as the correct, when you try fix the Asc more precisely by putting in the SubSub Lord and the SubSubSub Lord also, then the given time is likely to oscillate between some 2 to 3 minutes + or -....... (You need to do this with the help of the RPs at the time of anlysis.)That is all.9 minutes of difference derived from a standard formula in hand, without checking the correctness of the given time, I feel it is too much. Logical reasoning on this is: "When twin births happening within a difference of five minutes can make a lot of difference in their destiny and real life, why to go for a 9 minute difference just for the sake of a formula in our hands?It should not be as we think it should be.. It is to be seen as it is and accept the

nature's

indication.You may go through my other explanations under message heading, "BTR by a student,rbt-Introducing MK Rule Birth Time Verification" , etc..The concept should be "Verfication of Birth Time" and we should not go straight away to "Rectification of Birth Time", which can mean we have to change all given birth time for the sake of a particular rule we have perceived in our minds..I beg the pardon of all seniors if my above words are not so good. I mean no harm to anybody. It is just a humble opinion of mine.I await response from others in this regard.With thanks and warm regards,MK

(Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 11:46:46 PM Quarry on BTR

 

Pranam to All,For the attention of the Senior Members,Being a KP student, I set a side and going through all the discussion apper in the forum.By doing some practicals, I have mostly attended for BTR according to the KP Guruji Sri KSK.Now I have found another problem on deciding the exat TOB on BTR.Here I explain it through a BTR.Native - a female babyDOB - 06.07.2008TOB - 22 Hrs 04 Min. ( Given by the Hospital Authorities)POB - Wathupitiwela- Sri Lanka Lat.07.03 Long. 80.07SW used - Jagannatha Hora Ver 7.02Ayanamasa - 23 - 53 - 36.55According to the KP rule for BTR,"if the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant

apear as the starlord and sublord occupied by the MOON,the TOB given

or arrived at by adjustment,is the EXACT TOB...upto the second.".In the above TOB, Asc & Moon are not tally with the rule as above.Hence I adjusted the TOB, to appear the rule.Ke. as Asc sub lord and Ju as Asc sub sub lord, appear as the Moon's St. Lord and Sub Lord respectively,at 21 Hrs 55 Min 08 Sec. and it extended up to 21 Hrs 55 Min 29 Sec.My 1st quarry is - What should be the exact TOB in this time range?Keeping this puzzle in the mind, I peeped into the second rule as in Astro Secrets Part 2, page 81,"Birth Lagna Cusp Sub Lord, should tell the Birth Star......"and"The Birth Lagna Sub in which Sub it is- that Sub will be in Star-Sub - Sub Sub-Sub Sub Sub....."In the time range as above, (a) at 21. 55. 08 Hrs, 9th Cusp Sub Sub Lord is Me, who appears as the Star Lord of Ke, the Sub of Asc.(b) at 21. 55 . 21 Hrs, Sat appears as Sub Sub Sub Lord of the 9th Cusp, who is in the Star of Ke.According my understanding, the most correct TOB is 21.55.08 as (a) above.My 2nd quarry is - Am I correct?No any important life events of this baby so far My earnest request to the group member is to go through the both quarry and eliminate themost suitable path to follow.I wish to make this opportunity to

thank Guruji Dr.Luthar, Guruji LYRao,Guruji SS, Guruji KSVRaman and all others, who attended to my very first trial and advced on the subject, appeared in the forum as "BTR by a KP student" Thanks and Good LuckSunaparantha