Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

September 20, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan Ji,

How many KP predictions you have done in this forum ??? I'm

wondering if I have failed to read all messages in this forum.

Regards,

K.Babu

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Sheetal

> I admit that my predictions went wrong in k.p. Why can't you put

your analysis and prove yourself. In my opinion all are in my level

only.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote:

>

> Sheetal <ratnamalag

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

>

> Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:53 AM

>

Dear Dhanabalan

>

> I am reading your postings regularly and u wrote-

>

> " I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members

are in

> this forum. No one has confident(!) to tell the date of marriage

for the

> charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage

for

> those charts. "

>

> Why don't u put your analysis for your 12 charts, one by one

mentioning wrong or write side of the rules? We all will try

to respond your queries made in your analysis. Why you want to taste

the knowledge and confidence if 1000 members? why you write such

things? U don't have guts to show your analysis and always want

to taste others' knowledge. Isn't it funny?

>

> Regards

> Dr Sheetal

>

> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Subhash <subhash_ektare@

> wrote:

>

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,

>

> You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.

>

> There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr.

Raichur,

> Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When

they are

> not accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like

a kid

> in their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not

arise.

>

> In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the

question

> is genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceed

> further regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts

also,

> if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to

the

> question prediction will be off the mark because of absence of

urge. In

> this case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of

Astrologer. So

> the urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there

won't

> be any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two

is

> Four.

>

> Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my

sincere

> views.

>

> Ragards

>

> Subhash Ekatare

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ektare

> >

> > I do not agree your statement

> >

> > " Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati "

after

> studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

> observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned

> Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody

> asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast

> experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

> practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction. "

> >

> > I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members

are in

> this forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for

the

> charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage

for

> those charts.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...

>

> > Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati "

after

> studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

> observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned

> Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody

> asked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on

vast

> experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

> practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.

> >

> > Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory

and 4

> Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring

research

> and efforts by respective inventor. There may be some

> shortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy

discussion

> in the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their

respective

> theories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to

certify

> it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced

any

> member to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose the

> appropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step

Theory

> is concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome

any

> constructive suggestion for improving the theory.

> >

> > Dr. Sheetal's observation " It is so interesting to see, whatever

the

> topic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of

FOR

> STEP " is worth noting.

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM

> > Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my

understanding.

> >

> > 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we

get some

> finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting

clue

> that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes,

we see

> even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is

not

> the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes and

> breaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for

theisis and

> manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission

many

> times!!!)

> >

> > 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of

discussion, it

> can not be completed without involvement " FOUR STEP " .

> >

> > In horary, the rule " retrograde planet or star doesnt give the

result "

> is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have

written that

> it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the

result

> but with only few examples I can't claim.

> >

> > In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil

didn't

> write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not

giving

> the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular

> incidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the

transit

> and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub

(in

> only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular

transit

> as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it

> passess through another sub or star.

> >

> > It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step

thoroughly.

> >

> > Regards

> > Dr Sheetal

> >

> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> >

> > 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually

set

> > on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life

of

> > each and every native is not set like in the mathematical

equation.

> > That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent

accuracy of

> > prediction.

> >

> > 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.

> > Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For

instance, by

> > saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's

experience,

> > it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so

more

> > obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.

> >

> > 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how

can

> > retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food

for

> > thought for logical reasoning.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar "

> >

> > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected sir

> > > I have great respect for you but here I disagree

> > > with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a

> > > rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but

> > offcourse

> > > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.

> > > If rule really works then it should work in each

> > > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> > > With Regards

> > > AMIT

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary

> > charts

> > > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have

been

> > > posted

> > > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the

same

> > as

> > > > Guruji KSK.

> > > >

> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted

in

> > this

> > > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule

> > deeds

> > > other

> > > > than words are needed.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " sunilalaka "

<sunilalaka@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends,

> > > > > what beginners to follow?

> > > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe

> > write

> > > in

> > > > > any

> > > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after

directly

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > from Guruji KSK--

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quote-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS

lectures and

> > > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if

they

> > > come

> > > > > as

> > > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ... "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and

> > > Judging a

> > > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in

> > KPEZine)

> > > (A

> > > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unquote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar has

> > > > > never

> > > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion

group

> > > that

> > > > > his

> > > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying

his

> > > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal,

rarely

> > > > > horary.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

> > > <subhash_ektare@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Member,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> > > directly

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Guruji KSK.

> > > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in

Marathi. Shri

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970.

He

> > met

> > > Shri

> > > > > > Hasbe Guruji

> > > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was

Hasbe

> > > > > Guruji's

> > > > > > direct disciple.

> > > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji

about

> > > > > > retrogression.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late

Shri

> > > Hasbe

> > > > > was

> > > > > > to start a

> > > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

> > untimely

> > > > > demise

> > > > > > he could

> > > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar

fulfilled this

> > > > > dream

> > > > > > and is editing and

> > > > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi,

since

> > > > > Diwali

> > > > > > 1993 till date.

> > > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original

idea of

> > > Late

> > > > > > Hasbe Guruji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on

retrogression

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on

> > retrogression

> > > as

> > > > > he is

> > > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from

Guruji

> > KSK

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 20, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan

There is no need to proove myself as I never challenge anybody or I don't have attitude of testing other's knowledge. I am here to learn astrology and I consider myself as a kp student. I solve queries in forum and learn by mine and other's mistake. If anybody wants to learn, first u have to take pain and then u can ask for other's advice. But I see, u have a lot of theoretical knowledge but never saw any solved query in forum by u. There is a vast difference in theory and practical application. I am not that great like u, to challenge BIG astrologers including KSK. Even if I feel something wrong somewhere, I cant use the challenging languages which u use. I know one thing, to write original research work is very very difficult and to read it and criticise it, is very very easy. Every body has his own queries, if u want answers for ur query, u have to take pain to solve them and write in the forum ( let it be wrong) and then u will get opinion of so many senior astrologers. If u go on challenging senior astrologers, no body will take interest in ur problem.

Regards

Dr Sheetal

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Sheetald

I admit that my predictions went wrong in k.p. Why can't you put your analysis and prove yourself. In my opinion all are in my level only.

Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote:

Sheetal <ratnamalag

Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:53 AM

Dear Dhanabalan

I am reading your postings regularly and u wrote-

" I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident(!) to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for

those charts. "

Why don't u put your analysis for your 12 charts, one by one mentioning wrong or write side of the rules? We all will try to respond your queries made in your analysis. Why you want to taste the knowledge and confidence if 1000 members? why you write such things? U don't have guts to show your analysis and always want to taste others' knowledge. Isn't it funny?

Regards

Dr Sheetal

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they are

not accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the question

is genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. In

this case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two is

Four.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> " Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction. " >> I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for the

charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " after

studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vast

experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring research

and efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify

it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any

constructive suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation " It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR

STEP " is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see

even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many

times!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement " FOUR STEP " .>> In horary, the rule " retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result "

is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't

write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in

only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,

>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.

> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by

> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.

>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,

>> tw>> @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " >>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> > rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but

> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in

> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >

> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@>> wrote:

> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe> write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ... " > > > > >

> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A

> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >

> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

> > <subhash_ektare@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > > was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and

> > > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is

> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 20, 2008

Hi

As per my knowledge astrological predictions will be for the future events and post mortem will be only when our predictions fails.And more over astrology is not a challenging subject it is a examination paper for every astrologer, every individual horoscope is a new examination paper.

Though i got succeeded in so many predictions on Marrige i dint take up the 12 chatrts given by Mr.Dhanabala, and I also asked one member Mostly Mr.Nayan, to take it as a research work.

Sahhasra Saagara

--- On Sat, 20/9/08, babukrcbe <babukrcbe wrote:

babukrcbe <babukrcbe Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Saturday, 20 September, 2008, 10:19 PM

Dear Dhanabalan Ji,How many KP predictions you have done in this forum ??? I'm wondering if I have failed to read all messages in this forum.Regards,K.Babu@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sheetal> I admit that my predictions went wrong in k.p. Why can't you put your analysis and prove yourself. In my opinion all are in my level only. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag@ ...> wrote:> > Sheetal <ratnamalag@ ...>> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com> Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:53 AM> >

> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan> > I am reading your postings regularly and u wrote-> > " I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are in> this forum. No one has confident(!) to tell the date of marriage for the> charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for> those charts."> > Why don't u put your analysis for your 12 charts, one by one mentioning wrong or write side of the rules? We all will try to respond your queries made in your analysis. Why you want to taste the knowledge and confidence if 1000 members? why you write such things? U don't have guts to show your analysis and always want to taste others' knowledge. Isn' t it funny?> > Regards> Dr Sheetal>

> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan,> > You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.> > There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,> Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they are> not accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kid> in their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.> > In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the question> is genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceed> further regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in

Natal Charts also,> if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to the> question prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. In> this case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. So> the urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won't> be any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two is> Four.> > Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincere> views.> > Ragards> > Subhash Ekatare> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote: > > >> > Dear Subhash Ektare> >> > I do not agree your statement> >> > "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" after> studying THOUSANDS

(not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his> observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned> Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody> asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast> experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after> practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction."> >> > I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are in> this forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for the> charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for> those charts.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:> >> > Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... > > > > > Re: Re: Shri

Hasbe's view on retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" after> studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his> observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned> Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody> asked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vast> experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after> practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.> >> > Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4> Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the

results of untiring research> and efforts by respective inventor. There may be some> shortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussion> in the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respective> theories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify> it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced any> member to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose the> appropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theory> is concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any> constructive suggestion for improving the theory.> >> > Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever the> topic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR> STEP" is worth noting.> >> >

Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> > Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello> >> > I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.> >> > 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get some> finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting clue> that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see> even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is not> the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn

who makes and> breaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis and> manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many> times!!!)> >> > 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it> can not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".> >> > In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"> is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written that> it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the result> but with only few examples I can't claim.> >> > In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't> write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not giving> the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular> incidence will happen in

this vidasha, then we have to see the transit> and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in> only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transit> as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it> passess through another sub or star.> >> > It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.> >> > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Friend,> >> > 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> > on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> > each and

every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> > That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> > prediction.> >> > 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> > Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> > saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> > it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> > obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.> >> > 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> > retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> > thought for logical reasoning.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> > @gro ups.com,

"dubeyamitkumar"> >> >> >> > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected sir> > > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> > > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> > offcourse> > > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > > If rule really works then it should work in each> > > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > > With Regards> > > AMIT> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > >

A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> > charts> > > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > > posted> > > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> > as> > > > Guruji KSK.> > > >> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in> > this> > > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> > deeds> > > other> > > > than words are needed.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka"

<sunilalaka@ >> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear friends,> > > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe> > write> > > in> > > > > any> > > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > > learning> > > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > > >> > > > > > Quote-> >

> > > >> > > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > > come> > > > > as> > > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > > >> > > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > > Judging a> > > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> > KPEZine)> > > (A> > > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > > >> > > > > > Unquote> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > > never> > > > > >

ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > > that> > > > > his> > > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > > horary.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP>

> > directly> > > > > from> > > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > > Sunil> > > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> > met> > > Shri> > > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > > Guruji's> > > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > > retrogression.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > >

Hasbe> > > > > was> > > > > > to start a> > > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> > untimely> > > > > demise> > > > > > he could> > > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > > dream> > > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > > Diwali> > > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > > Late> > > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> > retrogression> > > as> > > > > he is> > > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from

Guruji> > KSK> > > > > like> > > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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September 21, 2008

Dear Baukrcbe

Pleae go through the file section to see the earlier messages.

I have posted 12 charts. Let us discuss about those charts. Already 3 charts have been taken for discussion. You can also participate in the discussion and give your views. Don't bother about your views are correct or not correct.

Dhanabalan --- On Sat, 9/20/08, babukrcbe <babukrcbe wrote:

babukrcbe <babukrcbe Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 4:49 PM