Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is

from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like

Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

[Guest guest]

Dear Member,

 

It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP directly from Guruji KSK.

He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar

was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met Shri Hasbe Guruji

during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe Guruji's direct disciple.

So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about retrogression.

 

It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri Hasbe was to start a

magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely demise he could

not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this dream and is editing and

publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since Diwali 1993 till date.

In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of Late Hasbe Guruji.

 

Regards

 

Subhash Ektare

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

Dear Friends,Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.Thanks and regards,tw

[Guest guest]

dear shri.tinwin

mr.subhash has correctly posted the message.

i was very close to late hasbe guruji.while discussing on retro theory.

i asked him that i am not experiencing this retro theory.he replied that this

theory was in initial stage and put before the followers to test it.

but he insisted me to go ahead with your experince and dont apply it if you

are not experincing.

but in his book he adhered to retro theory and adds that when i say this,that

doesnt mean you shud follow the same.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/13/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.Thanks and regards,

tw

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write in any

of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly learning

from Guruji KSK--

 

Quote-

 

" our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they come as

Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... "

 

-Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and Judging a

Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) (A

learner direct from Guruji KSK)

 

Unquote

 

2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has never

ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group that his

view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely horary.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare

wrote:

>

> Dear Member,

>

> It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP directly from

Guruji KSK.

> He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri Sunil

Gondhalekar

> was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met Shri

Hasbe Guruji

> during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe Guruji's

direct disciple.

>  So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

retrogression.

>

> It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri Hasbe was

to start a

> magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely demise

he could

> not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this dream

and is editing and

> publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since Diwali

1993 till date.

> In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of Late

Hasbe Guruji.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

>

>

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is

> from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like

> Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends,

what beginners to follow?

KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write in

any

> of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

learning

> from Guruji KSK--

>

> Quote-

>

> " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they come

as

> Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... "

>

> -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and Judging a

> Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) (A

> learner direct from Guruji KSK)

>

> Unquote

>

> 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

never

> ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group that

his

> view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely

horary.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Member,

> >

> > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP directly

from

> Guruji KSK.

> > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri

Sunil

> Gondhalekar

> > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met Shri

> Hasbe Guruji

> > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

Guruji's

> direct disciple.

> >  So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

> retrogression.

> >

> > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri Hasbe

was

> to start a

> > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely

demise

> he could

> > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this

dream

> and is editing and

> > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since

Diwali

> 1993 till date.

> > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of Late

> Hasbe Guruji.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> >

> > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as

he is

> > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK

like

> > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

 

If > this > theory was in initial stage and put before the followers

to test it, where is the proof of pudding to eat or could kindly the

charts be provied to test?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear shri.tinwin

> mr.subhash has correctly posted the message.

> i was very close to late hasbe guruji.while discussing on retro

theory.

> i asked him that i am not experiencing this retro theory.he replied

that

> this

> theory was in initial stage and put before the followers to test it.

> but he insisted me to go ahead with your experince and dont apply

it if you

> are not experincing.

> but in his book he adhered to retro theory and adds that when i say

> this,that

> doesnt mean you shud follow the same.

> thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

>

> On 9/13/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as

he is

> > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK

like

> > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

In my two cases retrograde planet deny the fruit. But in other cases soon after the direct motion fruitful result experienced.

Sahahsra Saagara --- On Sun, 14/9/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 2:00 PM

 

 

 

dear shri.tinwin

mr.subhash has correctly posted the message.

i was very close to late hasbe guruji.while discussing on retro theory.

i asked him that i am not experiencing this retro theory.he replied that this

theory was in initial stage and put before the followers to test it.

but he insisted me to go ahead with your experince and dont apply it if you

are not experincing.

but in his book he adhered to retro theory and adds that when i say this,that

doesnt mean you shud follow the same.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/13/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.Thanks and regards,tw

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A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary charts (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been posted showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as Guruji KSK.Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule deeds other than words are needed.Regards,tw , "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear friends,> what beginners to follow?> KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> -sunil gondhalekar> > > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write in > any> > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly > learning> > from Guruji KSK--> > > > Quote-> > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they come > as> > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators...."> > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and Judging a> > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) (A> > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > Unquote> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has > never> > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group that > his> > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely > horary. > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Member,> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP directly > from> > Guruji KSK.> > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri > Sunil> > Gondhalekar> > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met Shri> > Hasbe Guruji> > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe > Guruji's> > direct disciple.> > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > retrogression.> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri Hasbe > was> > to start a > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely > demise> > he could> > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this > dream> > and is editing and > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since > Diwali> > 1993 till date.> > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of Late> > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as > he is > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK > like > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > tw> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

dear shri.tinwin,

you have asked the views of late hasbe and

i have produced it.now where is the question

of eating the pudding?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

>

> If > this > theory was in initial stage and put before the

followers

> to test it, where is the proof of pudding to eat or could kindly

the

> charts be provied to test?

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " sunil gondhalekar "

> <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > dear shri.tinwin

> > mr.subhash has correctly posted the message.

> > i was very close to late hasbe guruji.while discussing on retro

> theory.

> > i asked him that i am not experiencing this retro theory.he

replied

> that

> > this

> > theory was in initial stage and put before the followers to test

it.

> > but he insisted me to go ahead with your experince and dont

apply

> it if you

> > are not experincing.

> > but in his book he adhered to retro theory and adds that when i

say

> > this,that

> > doesnt mean you shud follow the same.

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> > On 9/13/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

as

> he is

> > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK

> like

> > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Sagar,

As per K.P., the rule is that a retrograde planet will give results only after it turns direct and transits the oint from where it began retrogression...

A retrorade planet posited in the star of a retrograde planet will NOT give favourable results...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Sagar S <ssagar86 Sent: Sunday, 14 September, 2008 10:35:13 PMRe: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi

In my two cases retrograde planet deny the fruit. But in other cases soon after the direct motion fruitful result experienced.

Sahahsra Saagara --- On Sun, 14/9/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression@gro ups.comSunday, 14 September, 2008, 2:00 PM

 

 

 

dear shri.tinwin

mr.subhash has correctly posted the message.

i was very close to late hasbe guruji.while discussing on retro theory.

i asked him that i am not experiencing this retro theory.he replied that this

theory was in initial stage and put before the followers to test it.

but he insisted me to go ahead with your experince and dont apply it if you

are not experincing.

but in his book he adhered to retro theory and adds that when i say this,that

doesnt mean you shud follow the same.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On 9/13/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression as he is from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK like Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.Thanks and regards,tw

 

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Respected Members,

Sir,

If Retro-planets donot give results, how come that Rahu and Ketu,

which are permanently retrograde, give results?

Our revered late Guruji has stated that both of them are stronger

than other planets in giving results. Retrograde planets are

considered to be strong.

Again, what is the difference between a natal and a horary chart so

that the retrograde planets should work well in a natal but refuse to

work in a horary? Is there any logic behind it?

Will anyone please throw some light on these points? Regards,

sujatkaram , " sunilalaka "

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear friends,

> what beginners to follow?

> KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write in

> any

> > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> learning

> > from Guruji KSK--

> >

> > Quote-

> >

> > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they come

> as

> > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... "

> >

> > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and Judging a

> > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) (A

> > learner direct from Guruji KSK)

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> never

> > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group

that

> his

> > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely

> horary.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , Subhash Ektare

<subhash_ektare@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Member,

> > >

> > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP directly

> from

> > Guruji KSK.

> > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri

> Sunil

> > Gondhalekar

> > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met

Shri

> > Hasbe Guruji

> > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> Guruji's

> > direct disciple.

> > >  So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

> > retrogression.

> > >

> > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri Hasbe

> was

> > to start a

> > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely

> demise

> > he could

> > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this

> dream

> > and is editing and

> > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since

> Diwali

> > 1993 till date.

> > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of Late

> > Hasbe Guruji.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > >

> > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

as

> he is

> > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK

> like

> > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected sir

I have great respect for you but here I disagree

with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a

rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but offcourse

to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.

If rule really works then it should work in each

and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

With Regards

AMIT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary charts

> (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been

posted

> showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as

> Guruji KSK.

>

> Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this

> regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule deeds

other

> than words are needed.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends,

> > what beginners to follow?

> > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write

in

> > any

> > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> > learning

> > > from Guruji KSK--

> > >

> > > Quote-

> > >

> > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they

come

> > as

> > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... "

> > >

> > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and

Judging a

> > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine)

(A

> > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)

> > >

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > never

> > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group

that

> > his

> > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely

> > horary.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > > , Subhash Ektare

<subhash_ektare@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Member,

> > > >

> > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

directly

> > from

> > > Guruji KSK.

> > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri

> > Sunil

> > > Gondhalekar

> > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met

Shri

> > > Hasbe Guruji

> > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > Guruji's

> > > direct disciple.

> > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

> > > retrogression.

> > > >

> > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri

Hasbe

> > was

> > > to start a

> > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely

> > demise

> > > he could

> > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this

> > dream

> > > and is editing and

> > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since

> > Diwali

> > > 1993 till date.

> > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

Late

> > > Hasbe Guruji.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

as

> > he is

> > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK

> > like

> > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set

on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of

each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.

That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of

prediction.

 

2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.

Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by

saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,

it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more

obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.

 

3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can

retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for

thought for logical reasoning.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " dubeyamitkumar "

<dubeyamitkumar wrote:

>

>

>

> Respected sir

> I have great respect for you but here I disagree

> with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a

> rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but

offcourse

> to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.

> If rule really works then it should work in each

> and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> With Regards

> AMIT

>

, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary

charts

> > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been

> posted

> > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same

as

> > Guruji KSK.

> >

> > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in

this

> > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule

deeds

> other

> > than words are needed.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends,

> > > what beginners to follow?

> > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > >

> > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe

write

> in

> > > any

> > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> > > learning

> > > > from Guruji KSK--

> > > >

> > > > Quote-

> > > >

> > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they

> come

> > > as

> > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... "

> > > >

> > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and

> Judging a

> > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in

KPEZine)

> (A

> > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)

> > > >

> > > > Unquote

> > > >

> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > > never

> > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group

> that

> > > his

> > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely

> > > horary.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Subhash Ektare

> <subhash_ektare@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Member,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> directly

> > > from

> > > > Guruji KSK.

> > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri

> > > Sunil

> > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He

met

> Shri

> > > > Hasbe Guruji

> > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > > Guruji's

> > > > direct disciple.

> > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

> > > > retrogression.

> > > > >

> > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri

> Hasbe

> > > was

> > > > to start a

> > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

untimely

> > > demise

> > > > he could

> > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this

> > > dream

> > > > and is editing and

> > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since

> > > Diwali

> > > > 1993 till date.

> > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

> Late

> > > > Hasbe Guruji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on

retrogression

> as

> > > he is

> > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji

KSK

> > > like

> > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amit,

KSK has given no indication that retrograde planets give negative or altered effect when found in natal charts.Rather at some place it is mentioned they are stronger to give results as far as I can memorise. In horary he has emphatically mentioned something like this-retrograde sub-lord delay the mater till it becomes direct and reaches the point from where it began retrograde motion and if the constellation lord of the sub-lord is retrograde there will be failure. I have no justification for this difference. But he was so sure about it from his long observation and research ; it is not very easy for us to un-make the rule. So failure of the rule in only a few cases is not sufficient to disprove the rule.In such instances we have to peep in to what influenced the alteration or was there a small mistake some where.

Let us go ahead till we disprove a rule. We have to open up our learning attitude according to emerging scientific data.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:42:13 AM Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

Dear Friend,1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation. That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of prediction.2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for thought for logical reasoning.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar" <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I have great respect for you but here I disagree > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but offcourse > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> If rule really works then it should work in each > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> With Regards> AMIT > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at

least 50 horary charts> > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been > posted> > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as > > Guruji KSK.> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this> > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule deeds > other> > than words are needed.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends,> > > what beginners to follow?> > >

KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write > in> > > any> > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > learning> > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > >> > > > Quote-> > > >> > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they > come> > > as> > > >

Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > >> > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > Judging a> > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) > (A> > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > >> > > > Unquote> > > >> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > never> > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > that> > > his> > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > horary.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >>

> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Member,> > > > >> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP > directly> > > from> > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > Sunil> > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met > Shri> > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > Guruji's> > > > direct

disciple.> > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > retrogression.> > > > >> > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > Hasbe> > > was> > > > to start a> > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely> > > demise> > > > he could> > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > dream> > > > and is editing and> > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > Diwali> > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of > Late> > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > >> > > >

> Regards> > > > >> > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression > as> > > he is> > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji

KSK> > > like> > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hello

 

I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

 

1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get some finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting clue that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is not the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes and breaks the rules. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis and manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many times!!!)

 

2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it can not be completed without involvement " FOUR STEP " .

 

In horary, the rule " retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result " is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written that it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the result but with only few examples I can't claim.

In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not giving the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular incidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transit and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transit as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it passess through another sub or star.

 

It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

 

Regards

Dr Sheetal

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.

That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of prediction.2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by

saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can

retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for thought for logical reasoning.Thanks and regards,tw , " dubeyamitkumar "

 

 

<dubeyamitkumar wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I have great respect for you but here I disagree > with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a

> rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but offcourse > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> If rule really works then it should work in each > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> With Regards> AMIT > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >> > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary charts> > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been > posted> > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as > > Guruji KSK.> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this> > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule

deeds > other> > than words are needed.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@>

wrote:> > >> > > dear friends,> > > what beginners to follow?> > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > >

> > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >

> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write > in> > > any> > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > learning

> > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > >> > > > Quote-> > > >> > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they

> come> > > as> > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators.... " > > > >> > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > Judging a

> > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) > (A> > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > >> > > > Unquote> > > >

> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > never> > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > that> > > his

> > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > horary.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > , Subhash Ektare

> <subhash_ektare@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Member,> > > > >> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> directly> > > from> > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > Sunil> > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met > Shri> > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > > Guruji's> > > > direct disciple.> > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > retrogression.> > > > >

> > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > Hasbe> > > was> > > > to start a> > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

untimely> > > demise> > > > he could> > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > dream> > > > and is editing and

> > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since> > > Diwali> > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

> Late> > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression > as> > > he is> > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji

KSK> > > like> > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" after studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.

 

Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4 Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring research and efforts by respective inventor. There may be some shortfalls/drawbacks in each of them. There can be healthy discussion in the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respective theories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced any member to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose the appropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theory is concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any constructive suggestion for improving the theory.

 

Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR STEP" is worth noting.

 

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Sheetal <ratnamalag Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PMRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

 

 

Hello

 

I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

 

1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get some finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting clue that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is not the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes and breaks the rules. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis and manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many times!!!)

 

2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it can not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".

 

In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result" is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written that it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the result but with only few examples I can't claim.

In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not giving the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular incidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transit and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transit as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it passess through another sub or star.

 

It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

 

Regards

Dr Sheetal

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation. That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of prediction.2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for thought for logical reasoning.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"

 

 

<dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I have great respect for you but here I disagree > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but offcourse > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> If rule really works then it should work in each > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> With Regards> AMIT > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary charts> > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have

been > posted> > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as > > Guruji KSK.> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this> > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule deeds > other> > than words are needed.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear friends,> > > what beginners to follow?> > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> >

>> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write > in> > > any> > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > learning> > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > >> > > > Quote-> > > >> > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they > come> > > as> > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > >> > > > -Shri K.P.

Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > Judging a> > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in KPEZine) > (A> > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > >> > > > Unquote> > > >> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > never> > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > that> > > his> > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > horary.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare > <subhash_ektare@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Member,> > > > >> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP > directly> > > from> > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > Sunil> > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met > Shri> > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > Guruji's> > > > direct disciple.> > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji

about> > > > retrogression.> > > > >> > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > Hasbe> > > was> > > > to start a> > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely> > > demise> > > > he could> > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > dream> > > > and is editing and> > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > Diwali> > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of > Late> > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Subhash

Ektare> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression > as> > > he is> > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK> > > like> > > > > Shri Kuppu

Ganapathi.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Luther,

This is just an attempt to make the KP rules clear.

1. In KP, retrograde is nothing in natal chart, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 145, third para, under "STRENGTH OF PLANETS:"

"In a Natal chart, do not worry whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde. There is no difference. Retrograde planets neither loses strength nor they are harmful….Have the retrograde planets denied because they were retrograde. No. Not at all. …"

2. Could you kindly recall your memory whwere is the place "it is said the retrograde planets are stronger to give results" because Guruji KSK says it's the Hindu rules, i.e. not his, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 145, first para under "STRENGTH OF PLANETS:"

"A planet is strong if it is retrograde…..Thus the Hindus have various rules to calculate the strength of the planet."

 

3. What you're saying about retrograde in horary is in KP Reader VI, page 146-147, under "Retrograde- Horary chart". Here let me add that if the sub lord of the cuspal sub lord of the concerned house is retrograde, then there will be failure, referring the para below and Msg#19479.

KP Reader VI, page 254, second para, under "Business and Partnership"

"If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the 7th cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6 or 12 and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will be the mind to separate, but it will not materialize."

4. As we're aware, the technique of the natal and horary is different and so the seperate KP Reader VI "Horary Astrology" is written.

5. In this regard of retrograde, could you kindly clarify whose idea is it "to reject the RP of retrograde planet Jupiter" in your Msg#19487 as it is not so in KP, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 176, seventh para, under "Ruling planets:"

"One should not accept these ruling planets as it is. Check up whether any of them is posited either in the constealltion or sub of a retrograde planet. If there is any, reject it and accept the remaining."

 

6. Some reverse KP retrograde practical horary examples are:

 

1) With the slogan "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also?", Dr. Kar has introduced the theory of cancellation of retrograde, which made the KP & Astrology Year Book 1976 out of print:;

2) Kanak Bosmia made a correct prediction of Abhishek & Ashwarya marriage without rotating the horary chart to house 9 for not the native being known to him and without taking consideration of retrograde planet.

 

Requesting some more data of practical horary examples for consideration in my research study on retrograde in Vedic, Western, KP and reverse KP,

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Dear Amit,> KSK has given no indication that retrograde planets give negative or altered effect when found in natal charts.Rather at some place it is mentioned they are stronger to give results as far as I can memorise. In horary he has emphatically mentioned something like this-retrograde sub-lord delay the mater till it becomes direct and reaches the point from where it began retrograde motion and if the constellation lord of the sub-lord is retrograde there will be failure. I have no justification for this difference. But he was so sure about it from his long observation and research ; it is not very easy for us to un-make the rule. So failure of the rule in only a few cases is not sufficient to disprove the rule.In such instances we have to peep in to what influenced the alteration or was there a small mistake some where.> Let us go ahead till we disprove a rule. We have to open up our learning attitude according to emerging scientific data.> With regards.> Dr. Luther> > > > tw853 tw853 > Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:42:13 AM> Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > Dear Friend,> > 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set > on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of > each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation. > That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of > prediction.> > 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. > Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by > saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, > it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more > obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.> > 3.. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can > retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for > thought for logical reasoning.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar" > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree > > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a > > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but > offcourse > > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each > > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary > charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been > > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same > as > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in > this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule > deeds > > other> > > than words are needed.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ > > wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe > write > > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they > > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in > KPEZine) > > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare > > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP > > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He > met > > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > > Hasbe> > > > was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his > untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of > > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on > retrogression > > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji > KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Subhash Ektare

 

I do not agree your statement

 

"Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" after studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction."

I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are in this forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for the charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for those charts.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" after studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.

 

Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4 Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring research and efforts by respective inventor. There may be some shortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussion in the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respective theories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced any member to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose the appropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theory is concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any constructive suggestion for improving the theory.

 

Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR STEP" is worth noting.

 

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Sheetal <ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PMRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

 

 

Hello

 

I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

 

1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get some finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting clue that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is not the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes and breaks the rules. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis and manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many times!!!)

 

2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it can not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".

 

In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result" is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written that it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the result but with only few examples I can't claim.

In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not giving the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular incidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transit and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transit as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it passess through another sub or star.

 

It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

 

Regards

Dr Sheetal

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation. That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of prediction.2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for thought for logical reasoning.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"

 

 

<dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I have great respect for you but here I disagree > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but offcourse > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> If rule really works then it should work in each > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> With Regards> AMIT > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary charts> > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been > posted> > showing

Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same as > > Guruji KSK.> > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in this> > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule deeds > other> > than words are needed.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear friends,> > > what beginners to follow?> > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe write > in> > > any> > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > learning> > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > >> > > > Quote-> > > >> > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they > come> > > as> > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > >> > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > Judging a> > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P.

Principles in KPEZine) > (A> > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > >> > > > Unquote> > > >> > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > never> > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > that> > > his> > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > horary.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare > <subhash_ektare@>> > > >

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Member,> > > > >> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP > directly> > > from> > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > Sunil> > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He met > Shri> > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > Guruji's> > > > direct disciple.> > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > retrogression.> > > > >> > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > Hasbe>

> > was> > > > to start a> > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his untimely> > > demise> > > > he could> > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > dream> > > > and is editing and> > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > Diwali> > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of > Late> > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tw853

<tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression > as> > > he is> > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji KSK> > > like> > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > >> > >>

>>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

Thank you so much for the clerifications.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther.

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:53:26 AM Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

 

Dear Dr. Luther,

This is just an attempt to make the KP rules clear.

1. In KP, retrograde is nothing in natal chart, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 145, third para, under "STRENGTH OF PLANETS:"

"In a Natal chart, do not worry whether a planet is in direct motion or retrograde.. There is no difference. Retrograde planets neither loses strength nor they are harmful….Have the retrograde planets denied because they were retrograde. No. Not at all. …"

2. Could you kindly recall your memory whwere is the place "it is said the retrograde planets are stronger to give results" because Guruji KSK says it's the Hindu rules, i.e. not his, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 145, first para under "STRENGTH OF PLANETS:"

"A planet is strong if it is retrograde….. Thus the Hindus have various rules to calculate the strength of the planet."

 

3. What you're saying about retrograde in horary is in KP Reader VI, page 146-147, under "Retrograde- Horary chart". Here let me add that if the sub lord of the cuspal sub lord of the concerned house is retrograde, then there will be failure, referring the para below and Msg#19479.

KP Reader VI, page 254, second para, under "Business and Partnership"

"If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the 7th cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6 or 12 and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will be the mind to separate, but it will not materialize. "

4. As we're aware, the technique of the natal and horary is different and so the seperate KP Reader VI "Horary Astrology" is written..

5. In this regard of retrograde, could you kindly clarify whose idea is it "to reject the RP of retrograde planet Jupiter" in your Msg#19487 as it is not so in KP, referring:

KP Reader VI, page 176, seventh para, under "Ruling planets:"

"One should not accept these ruling planets as it is. Check up whether any of them is posited either in the constealltion or sub of a retrograde planet. If there is any, reject it and accept the remaining."

 

6. Some reverse KP retrograde practical horary examples are:

 

1) With the slogan "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in horary also?", Dr. Kar has introduced the theory of cancellation of retrograde, which made the KP & Astrology Year Book 1976 out of print:;

2) Kanak Bosmia made a correct prediction of Abhishek & Ashwarya marriage without rotating the horary chart to house 9 for not the native being known to him and without taking consideration of retrograde planet.

 

Requesting some more data of practical horary examples for consideration in my research study on retrograde in Vedic, Western, KP and reverse KP,

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Amit,> KSK has given no indication that retrograde planets give negative or altered effect when found in natal charts.Rather at some place it is mentioned they are stronger to give results as far as I can memorise. In horary he has emphatically mentioned something like this-retrograde sub-lord delay the mater till it becomes direct and reaches the point from where it began retrograde motion and if the constellation lord of the sub-lord is retrograde there will be failure. I have no justification for this difference. But he was so sure about it from his long observation and research ; it is not very easy for us to un-make the rule. So failure of the rule in only a few cases is not sufficient to disprove the rule.In such instances we have to peep in to what influenced the alteration or was there a

small mistake some where.> Let us go ahead till we disprove a rule. We have to open up our learning attitude according to emerging scientific data.> With regards.> Dr. Luther> > > > tw853 tw853 @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:42:13 AM> Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > Dear Friend,> > 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set > on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of > each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation. > That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of > prediction.> > 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin. > Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For

instance, by > saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience, > it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more > obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.> > 3.. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can > retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for > thought for logical reasoning.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar" > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree > > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a > > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but > offcourse > > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be

required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each > > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary > charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been > > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same > as > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in > this> > > regard other than here say one's

experience. To break a rule > deeds > > other> > > than words are needed.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ > > wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe > write > > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding

retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they > > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and > > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in > KPEZine) > > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes,

Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group > > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare > > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP > >

directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He > met > > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri > > Hasbe> > > > was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread

KP in Maharashtra. But due to his > untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of > > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on > retrogression > > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji > KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> >

> >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,

 

You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.

 

There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,

Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they are

not accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kid

in their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.

 

In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the question

is genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceed

further regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,

if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to the

question prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. In

this case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. So

the urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won't

be any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two is

Four.

 

Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincere

views.

 

Ragards

 

Subhash Ekatare

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Subhash Ektare

>

> I do not agree your statement

>

> " Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " after

studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned

Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody

asked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vast

experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction. "

>

> I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are in

this forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for the

charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for

those charts.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare wrote:

>

> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

>

> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM

>

>

>

Dear Members,

>

> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " after

studying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learned

Astrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobody

asked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vast

experience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.

>

> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4

Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring research

and efforts by respective inventor. There may be some

shortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussion

in the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respective

theories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify

it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced any

member to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose the

appropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theory

is concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any

constructive suggestion for improving the theory.

>

> Dr. Sheetal's observation " It is so interesting to see, whatever the

topic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR

STEP " is worth noting.

>

> Subhash Ektare

 

> Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello

>

> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

>

> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get some

finding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting clue

that it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see

even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is not

the number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes and

breaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis and

manipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many

times!!!)

>

> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, it

can not be completed without involvement " FOUR STEP " .

>

> In horary, the rule " retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result "

is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written that

it delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the result

but with only few examples I can't claim.

>

> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't

write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not giving

the result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticular

incidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transit

and if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in

only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transit

as retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time it

passess through another sub or star.

>

> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

>

> Regards

> Dr Sheetal

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:

Dear Friend,

>

> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set

> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of

> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.

> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of

> prediction.

>

> 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.

> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by

> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,

> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more

> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.

>

> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can

> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for

> thought for logical reasoning.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar "

>

>

>

> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected sir

> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree

> > with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a

> > rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but

> offcourse

> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.

> > If rule really works then it should work in each

> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> > With Regards

> > AMIT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary

> charts

> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been

> > posted

> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same

> as

> > > Guruji KSK.

> > >

> > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in

> this

> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule

> deeds

> > other

> > > than words are needed.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends,

> > > > what beginners to follow?

> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?

> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe

> write

> > in

> > > > any

> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> > > > learning

> > > > > from Guruji KSK--

> > > > >

> > > > > Quote-

> > > > >

> > > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they

> > come

> > > > as

> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ... "

> > > > >

> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and

> > Judging a

> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in

> KPEZine)

> > (A

> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)

> > > > >

> > > > > Unquote

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > > > never

> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group

> > that

> > > > his

> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely

> > > > horary.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

> > <subhash_ektare@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Member,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> > directly

> > > > from

> > > > > Guruji KSK.

> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He

> met

> > Shri

> > > > > Hasbe Guruji

> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > > > Guruji's

> > > > > direct disciple.

> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about

> > > > > retrogression.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri

> > Hasbe

> > > > was

> > > > > to start a

> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

> untimely

> > > > demise

> > > > > he could

> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this

> > > > dream

> > > > > and is editing and

> > > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since

> > > > Diwali

> > > > > 1993 till date.

> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

> > Late

> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM

> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on

> retrogression

> > as

> > > > he is

> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji

> KSK

> > > > like

> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Subhash

 

I have posted the charts not for challenge but for study. My predictions went wrong either based on k.p. original volumes or based on the K.P. Readers. In my observation in this forum, most of the astrologers are expert in postmortem and not experts in giving prediction in advance.

 

When an astrologer is telling that his success rate is 80%, he should prove in this forum, otherwise it would be considerd as false information only. Members should avoid this type of false information.

 

Telling the moon position, horary, urge,etc. are only the lame excuse for not able to predict in advance.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 9:45 PM

 

 

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they arenot accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the questionis genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. Inthis case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is

concerned. So two plus two isFour.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.">> I have already posted 12 birth details. More

than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my

knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring researchand efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certifyit ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome anyconstructive

suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FORSTEP" is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we seeeven after 100 cases, established

rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission manytimes!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".>> In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn'twrite any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha,

then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (inonly in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2.

Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar">>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> >

rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any

single practical chart has not yet been posted in> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ >> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe>

write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > >

> Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >>

> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > >

was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > >

> > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Friends,

Sarvashree Dhanbalan and Subhash ji has each important point.

Assuming urge is missing for data posted for predicting Marriage,

There is another option of examining stength of significators to predict event, that is independent of RP/Urge.

Should it not be possible to predict events of past and future?

Here lies , a foundational question.

Does principles of prediction ( any set of principle and their application) has resulted in success of any event repeatedly:( here timing of marriage, by any one in practise is under reference /talked ?

Here i submit , in vedic astrology also same is the situation.

When astrology can not be put to use to prdict simple event like marriage , how to explore in other areas to help humanity?

Tendency to quote remedies and Rules are common responses , but Most astrologers avoid predicting and illustrating their conclusions, barring a few like sarvshree Luther Rath TW ji and Raichur ji and few others.

I hope a seach to answer this will lead one to ponder ways to get at the truth.

with regards

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

-

Subhash

Friday, September 19, 2008 3:15 AM

Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

 

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they arenot accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the questionis genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. Inthis case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two isFour.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanwrote:>> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.">> I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring researchand efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certifyit ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome anyconstructive suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FORSTEP" is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we seeeven after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission manytimes!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".>> In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn'twrite any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (inonly in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar">>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@>> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe> write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > > was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi FriendsHere is my attempt. I am not guaranteeing 80%. But the probability / chance. Note - KSK also has told (as told to me by his son) that if an analysis is thrown at you, with malicious intent, both parties involved may not be happy!. So I want to avoid unnecessary discussions! This is a learning exercise for me.I am strictly using the signification of houses, 2, 7 & 11 and if there is none, I will pick the house 5 to explore.(The possibility periods mentioned below can be taken as, from few months before!)(1) Yes. Before 15th Feb 2007. (Delayed possibility in chart. If not married, the next chance is before 15th Feb 2012..)(2) Yes. Before 18th Dec 1998(3) No. Only before 27th June 2011.(4) Yes. Before 9th Feb 2000. (Possibly married twice or

Divorcee now)(5) Yes. Before 14th Jul 1999. (As good as above case)(6) Yes. Before 1st Nov 1978. (Not sure, whether willfully living with another woman from around 17th Nov 1985)(7) Yes. Before 5th Mar 2003 (Possibly living separate/divorced and might marry again around 8th May 2015)(8) No. Only before 8th Dec 2014.(9) Yes. Before 9th Jun 1992. (Not a happy married life!)(10) Yes. Before Oct 2002.(Talks of marriage from around 10th Nov 1992)(11) Yes. Before 14th Aug 1997. (12) Yes. Before 24th Dec 2007. (Very inquisitive in Astrology and challenges tenets!) As usual like any astro student, I would like to do a post mortem with actual dates/events.Amma Saranam!RegardsRameshhttp://www.amma.orgDhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, 19 September, 2008 9:49:44 AMRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression

 

Dear Subhash

 

I have posted the charts not for challenge but for study. My predictions went wrong either based on k..p. original volumes or based on the K.P. Readers. In my observation in this forum, most of the astrologers are expert in postmortem and not experts in giving prediction in advance.

 

When an astrologer is telling that his success rate is 80%, he should prove in this forum, otherwise it would be considerd as false information only. Members should avoid this type of false information.

 

Telling the moon position, horary, urge,etc. are only the lame excuse for not able to predict in advance.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, September 18, 2008, 9:45 PM

 

 

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice..There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they arenot accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the questionis genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. Inthis case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is

concerned. So two plus two isFour.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in

prediction.">> I have already posted 12 birth details. More

than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and

learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my

knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring researchand efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certifyit ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome anyconstructive

suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FORSTEP" is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we seeeven after 100 cases, established

rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission manytimes!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".>> In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn'twrite any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha,

then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (inonly in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2.

Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar">>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> >

rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any

single practical chart has not yet been posted in> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@ >> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe>

write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P.. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > >

> Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >>

> > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > >

was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > >

> > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

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Dear Dhanabalan

 

I am reading your postings regularly and u wrote-

 

" I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident(!) to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage for

those charts. "

 

Why don't u put your analysis for your 12 charts, one by one mentioning wrong or write side of the rules? We all will try to respond your queries made in your analysis. Why you want to taste the knowledge and confidence if 1000 members? why you write such things? U don't have guts to show your analysis and always want to taste others' knowledge. Isn't it funny?

 

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Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they are

not accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the question

is genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. In

this case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is concerned. So two plus two is

Four.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote: >> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> " Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction. " >> I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for the

charts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare wrote:>> Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare

 

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful " Krishnamurthy Paddhati " afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on his

observation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only after

practicing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the results of untiring research

and efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certify

it ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome any

constructive suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation " It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FOR

STEP " is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> > Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.

>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we see

even after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission many

times!!!)>> 2. It is so interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement " FOUR STEP " .>> In horary, the rule " retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result "

is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn't

write any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (in

only in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.

>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,

>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.

> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by

> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.

>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,

>> tw>> @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " >>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >

> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this " standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> > rule " .I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but

> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every chart with least exception for same type of query.

> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu

> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in

> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> > other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >

> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@>> wrote:> > > >

> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe> write> > in> > > > any> > > > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly

> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > " our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and

> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ... " > > > > >

> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A

> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > > > 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his

> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >

> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@>

> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP

> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar

> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe

> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > > was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his

> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and

> > > > > > publishing a magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " , in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of

> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is

> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sheetal

I admit that my predictions went wrong in k.p. Why can't you put your analysis and prove yourself. In my opinion all are in my level only.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote:

Sheetal <ratnamalagRe: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:53 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan

 

I am reading your postings regularly and u wrote-

 

" I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident(!) to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts."

 

Why don't u put your analysis for your 12 charts, one by one mentioning wrong or write side of the rules? We all will try to respond your queries made in your analysis. Why you want to taste the knowledge and confidence if 1000 members? why you write such things? U don't have guts to show your analysis and always want to taste others' knowledge. Isn't it funny?

 

Regards

Dr Sheetal

 

 

 

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr Dhanbalan,You are welcome to dis-agree with me. It is your choice.There are many senior and experienced KP Astrologers like Mr. Raichur,Mr. Tin Win, Mr. Lajmi and Mr. Gondhalekar to name a few. When they arenot accepting your challenge, there must be some reason. I am like a kidin their comparision, so question of my coming forward does not arise.In Horary, as explained by Shri KSK, moon reveals whether the questionis genuine or not. If it is not, Guruji has advised not to proceedfurther regarding prediction. Logically speaking , in Natal Charts also,if the intention of the querist is other than seeking an answer to thequestion prediction will be off the mark because of absence of urge. Inthis case your challenge is for testing the knowledge of Astrologer. Sothe urge for getting answer is definately missing. Naturally there won'tbe any urge as far as the Astrologer is

concerned. So two plus two isFour.Again you are welcome to dis-agree with me. But there are my sincereviews.RagardsSubhash Ekatare@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote: >> Dear Subhash Ektare>> I do not agree your statement>> "Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.">> I have already posted 12 birth details. More than 1000 members are inthis forum. No one has confident to tell the date of marriage for thecharts posted except Mr.Nayan. Can you tell the date of marriage forthose charts.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:>>

Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@ ...

 

> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:41 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,>> Guruji KSK has come up with wonderful "Krishnamurthy Paddhati" afterstudying THOUSANDS (not hundreds) cases. He made rules based on hisobservation and study of these cases. Many senior and learnedAstrologers are practicing KP now. At least in my knowledge, nobodyasked him to prove his rules.. They trusted it must be based on vastexperience and research. Many of them shifted to KP only afterpracticing and experiencing better accuracy in prediction.>> Similarly, there are many new theories like KB, Dr. Kar's Theory and 4Step Theory etc. I am sure these are the

results of untiring researchand efforts by respective inventor. There may be someshortfalls/drawback s in each of them. There can be healthy discussionin the forum with an aim to improve, not asked to prove their respectivetheories. Even after giving proof through 100 cases, who is to certifyit ? Where is the authority acceptable to all? Nobody has forced anymember to follow certain theory. They are wise enough to choose theappropriate theory. These are my personal views. As far as 4 step Theoryis concerned, I am 100% sure, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar will welcome anyconstructive suggestion for improving the theory.>> Dr. Sheetal's observation "It is so interesting to see, whatever thetopic of discussion, it cannot be completed without involvement of FORSTEP" is worth noting.>> Subhash Ektare>>>>>>> >

Sheetal ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:35:40 PM> Re: Re: Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression>>>>>> Hello>> I am not very experienced, whatever I am writing is my understanding.>> 1.Though we need 100 cases to make/break the rule but when we get somefinding constantly in few cases even 5-10 cases,u start getting cluethat it may be the rule and start working further. And sometimes, we seeeven after 100 cases, established rule is not always correct.It is notthe number only, but also the sincerity of the perosn who makes andbreaks the rules.. (All knows how the data is collected for theisis andmanipulations are made in drawing conclusions before submission manytimes!!!)>> 2. It is so

interesting to see, whatever the topic of discussion, itcan not be completed without involvement "FOUR STEP".>> In horary, the rule "retrograde planet or star doesnt give the result"is disproving slowly and is written by many. Also some have written thatit delays the result and dosnt deny. I also feel it delays the resultbut with only few examples I can't claim.>> In four steps, it doesn't give result in transit means Mr Sunil didn'twrite any thing against his statement of retrograde planet not givingthe result. Actually after coming to the conclusion that perticularincidence will happen in this vidasha, then we have to see the transitand if Dasha lords are transiting through retrograde star and sub (inonly in 1st 2 steps) will not give the result in that perticular transitas retrograde planet has a delaying effect and so till that time itpassess through another sub or

star.>> It seem to be very simple only after understanding 4step thoroughly.>> Regards> Dr Sheetal>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear Friend,>> 1. No rule works for each and every chart. The rules are usually set> on the basis of majority outcome of the charts studied. The life of> each and every native is not set like in the mathematical equation.> That is why we'are still far away fron near cent percent accuracy of> prediction.>> 2. Breaking a rule and making a rule are two sides of a coin.> Breaking a rule is generally making a opposite rule. For instance, by> saying Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working in one's experience,> it is making a rule of no retrogression in horary. By saying so

more> obligation is to provide a proof of supporting charts.>> 3. If retrograde is not working in 'horary, natal and RPs', how can> retrograde work in checking transit's agreement with DBA is food for> thought for logical reasoning.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>> @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar">>>> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected sir> > I have great respect for you but here I disagree> > with you in this "standard requirement is 100 charts to break a> > rule".I beleive that even 2-3 chart is enough for this but> offcourse> > to make a rule atleast 100 charts should be required.> > If rule really works then it should work in each> > and every

chart with least exception for same type of query.> > With Regards> > AMIT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > A KP beginner is to follow Guruji KSK till at least 50 horary> charts> > > (standard requirement is 100 charts to break a rule.) have been> > posted> > > showing Guruji KSK's retrogression is not working. Shri Kuppu> > > Ganapathi and Shri Bhatt (except in special cases) are the same> as> > > Guruji KSK.> > >> > > Up to now any single practical chart has not yet been posted in> this> > > regard other than here say one's experience. To break a rule> deeds> >

other> > > than words are needed.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "sunilalaka" <sunilalaka@>> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friends,> > > > what beginners to follow?> > > > KSK/Kuppuganapati or CR Bhatt?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > 1. Let me put the question straight: what did Shri Hasbe> write> > in> > > > any> >

> > > of his books or teach regarding retrogressionn after directly> > > > learning> > > > > from Guruji KSK--> > > > >> > > > > Quote-> > > > >> > > > > "our GREAT GURUJI has categorically stated in HIS lectures and> > > > > writings that retrograde Planets do not give results if they> > come> > > > as> > > > > Star/Sub Lords to the Significators. ..."> > > > >> > > > > -Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (Guidelines for Preparing and> > Judging a> > > > > Horary Chart as per K.P. System or K.P. Principles in> KPEZine)> > (A> > > > > learner direct from Guruji KSK)> > > > >> > > > > Unquote> > > > >> > > >

> 2. As far as my tracing system goes, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has> > > > never> > > > > ever said in his 4 step book or any internet discussion group> > that> > > > his> > > > > view on retrogression is Shri Hasbe's, other than saying his> > > > > experience based on the application of mainly natal, rarely> > > > horary.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> > <subhash_ektare@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Member,> > > > > >> >

> > > > It is a fact that Late Shri Jyotindra Hasbe learned KP> > directly> > > > from> > > > > Guruji KSK.> > > > > > He has written 4 books on KP, of course all in Marathi. Shri> > > > Sunil> > > > > Gondhalekar> > > > > > was practicing traditional Vedic Astrology from 1970. He> met> > Shri> > > > > Hasbe Guruji> > > > > > during 1980 and shifted to KP. Shri Gondhalekar was Hasbe> > > > Guruji's> > > > > direct disciple.> > > > > > So he can throw some light on views of Hasbe Guruji about> > > > > retrogression.> > > > > >> > > > > > It may be brought to the notice of members that Late Shri> > Hasbe> > > >

was> > > > > to start a> > > > > > magazine to spread KP in Maharashtra. But due to his> untimely> > > > demise> > > > > he could> > > > > > not fulfill his dream. Shri Sunil Gondhalekar fulfilled this> > > > dream> > > > > and is editing and> > > > > > publishing a magazine "Nakshatrache Dene", in Marathi, since> > > > Diwali> > > > > 1993 till date.> > > > > > In every magazine he writes that this was original idea of> > Late> > > > > Hasbe Guruji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:46:17 AM> > > > > > Shri Hasbe's view on retrogression> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Could any one kindly share Shri Hasbe's view on> retrogression> > as> > > > he is> > > > > > from the first generation who learned directly from Guruji> KSK> > > > like> > > > > > Shri Kuppu Ganapathi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and

regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>