Your valuable response to Green cardquerry

September 10, 2008

Ref:green card

Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of

event.

I will keep you posted with the outcome.

Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will

certainly enhance

understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

Biprid

September 10, 2008

Son of Biprid

24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

Moon sign Lord = Mars

Moon star lord = Saturn

Day lord = Saturn

Jupiter is retrograde.

None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.

So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

Ven 24:28:28

X 20:41:33

Keth 3:38:52

Moon 23:48:15

XI 24:33:30

Jup 0:24:26

XII 27:23:03

Asc 27:41:25

IX 19:11:51

Sun 12:19:12

<Sat 18:21:51

II 21:53:16

Mer 26:47:21

VIII 21:53:16

Mar 18:11:05

III 19:11:51

VII 27:41:25

VI 27:23:03

V 24:33:30

Rahu 3:38:52

IV 20:41:33

Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.

If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.

Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

Libra-Swati-Sun sub.

Taurus-Kritika-Rahu sub.

Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.

Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.

Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

Dr. Luther

biprid <biprid Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Ref:green cardRespected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of event.I will keep you posted with the outcome.Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will certainly enhance understanding of KP principles and art of its application.Biprid

October 18, 2008

Respected Dr.Lutherji,Sudhirji and Swamiji,

This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my

son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough

to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by

me.

Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he

received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial

nature and duly complied by the lawyer.

Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at

September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at

the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally

adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result

was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier

were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came

later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.

Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be

further delay due to one reason or other ?

All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota

begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.

Biprid.

-

In , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Son of Biprid

> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

>

> Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> Moon sign Lord = Mars

> Moon star lord = Saturn

> Day lord = Saturn

>

> Jupiter is retrograde.

> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.

> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

>

> Ven 24:28:28

> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> Moon 23:48:15

> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

>

> XII 27:23:03

>

> Asc 27:41:25

>

> IX 19:11:51

> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

>

> II 21:53:16

> Mer 26:47:21

> VIII 21:53:16

> Mar 18:11:05

>

> III 19:11:51

> VII 27:41:25

> VI 27:23:03

> V 24:33:30

>

> Rahu 3:38:52

>

> IV 20:41:33

>

> Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house.

So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant

i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and

XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving

Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus

as lord of XII can give the result.

> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the

zodiac.

> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> 2. Libra-Swati-Sun sub.

> 3. Taurus-Kritika-Rahu sub.

> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has

to be examined.

> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of

Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

judgment.

>

> Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he

resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of

10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..

Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

>

> Dr. Luther

>

> biprid <biprid

>

> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

>

> Ref:green card

> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of

> event.

> I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

> request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It

will

> certainly enhance

> understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> Biprid

>

October 18, 2008

Dear Sir, As far as I remember I had given you a date. Perhaps it was 19th September. Did the communication regarding Green Card was received on that date or a day before or after. I want to know whether the date beared any relation with the issue.

Thank you for your message.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath.

biprid <biprid Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by me..Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial nature and duly complied by the lawyer.Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.Now my question

is : when he will get the green card ? will there be further delay due to one reason or other ?All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.Biprid.------------ --------- --------- -@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn> > Jupiter is

retrograde.> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > XII 27:23:03 > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > II 21:53:16 > Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05 > > III 19:11:51 > VII 27:41:25 > VI 27:23:03 > V 24:33:30> > Rahu 3:38:52 > > IV 20:41:33 > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies

VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > biprid <biprid> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of

you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will > certainly enhance > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> Biprid>

October 18, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear biprid,

thanks for update.Sorry to learn that your son is compelled to wait further.

After all Sat sukham played trick to delay.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

-

biprid

Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27 PM

Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Dr.Lutherji,Sudhirji and Swamiji,This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by me.Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial nature and duly complied by the lawyer.Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be further delay due to one reason or other ?All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.Biprid.- In , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn> > Jupiter is retrograde.> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > XII 27:23:03 > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > II 21:53:16 > Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05 > > III 19:11:51 > VII 27:41:25 > VI 27:23:03 > V 24:33:30> > Rahu 3:38:52 > > IV 20:41:33 > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati-Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika-Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > biprid <biprid> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will > certainly enhance > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> Biprid>

October 19, 2008

Respected Sir,

In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a prediction but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit the target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do not take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

You have written in your message, "Event: Green card. All processes are over.. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot system green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and he is also likely to receive very soon.

From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens."

You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understood that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receive it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I did not go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19 of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that your son received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and period agree to each other.

Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, "House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder." So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble. I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querry that whether your son would get a Green Card.

Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

biprid <biprid Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by me.Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial nature and duly complied by the lawyer.Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.Now my question

is : when he will get the green card ? will there be further delay due to one reason or other ?All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.Biprid.------------ --------- --------- -@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn> > Jupiter is

retrograde.> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > XII 27:23:03 > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > II 21:53:16 > Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05 > > III 19:11:51 > VII 27:41:25 > VI 27:23:03 > V 24:33:30> > Rahu 3:38:52 > > IV 20:41:33 > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies

VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > biprid <biprid> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of

you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will > certainly enhance > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> Biprid>

October 19, 2008

Dear all,

I would not blame any of the astroloegrshere for not predictingly

correctly. If a native writes " all processes are over " , then what must

one surmise ? It is understood that only delivery part has to be checked

now.

This is the problem on Interntet astrology and Free astrology. When a

person asks me when will I have a chiled, why must I doubt whether he

has married or not. Would i not straight away look for the pointers of

the 5th house when getting actiavted from the date, he comes to meet me

? Os must I look behind to check whether he has married or not ?

Keeping this case besides(apart), I want to comment that there are at

times cases when astrologers come under scrutiny. We have to be careful

of over intelligent natives coming to meet us, who have nothing to gift

away, but wish to check how intelligent the astrologer is.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a prediction

but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit the

target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do not

take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

> You have written in your message, " Event: Green card. All processes

are over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot system

green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and he

is also likely to receive very soon.

> From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of

receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens. "

> You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understood

that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receive

it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I did

not go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19

of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that your

son received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and period

agree to each other.

> Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, " House III is vacant. Sun

lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong.

But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of

Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but

it does not hinder. " So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble.

I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querry

that whether your son would get a Green Card.

> Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my

explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

> With regards.

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

> biprid biprid

>

> Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM

> Re: Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

>

> Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,

> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my

> son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough

> to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by

> me.

> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he

> received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial

> nature and duly complied by the lawyer.

> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at

> September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at

> the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally

> adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result

> was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier

> were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came

> later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.

> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be

> further delay due to one reason or other ?

> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota

> begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.

> Biprid.

> ------------ --------- --------- ----

>

> In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Son of Biprid

> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> >

> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > Day lord = Saturn

> >

> > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.

> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

> >

> > Ven 24:28:28

> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > Moon 23:48:15

> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> >

> > XII 27:23:03

> >

> > Asc 27:41:25

> >

> > IX 19:11:51

> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> >

> > II 21:53:16

> > Mer 26:47:21

> > VIII 21:53:16

> > Mar 18:11:05

> >

> > III 19:11:51

> > VII 27:41:25

> > VI 27:23:03

> > V 24:33:30

> >

> > Rahu 3:38:52

> >

> > IV 20:41:33

> >

> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

> constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house.

> So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant

> i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

> aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and

> XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving

> Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus

> as lord of XII can give the result.

> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the

> zodiac.

> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has

> to be examined.

> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of

> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

> judgment.

> >

> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he

> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of

> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..

> Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> >

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> > biprid biprid@

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

> >

> > Ref:green card

> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of

> > event.

> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It

> will

> > certainly enhance

> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > Biprid

> >

>

October 19, 2008

Dear Swami ji,

It may be worthy to learn something for this failed prediction. Is still hope after disappointment, 8 is signified by Bhukti, Antara, Sookshma das lords Ju, Ve, Sa and delay due to Punarphoo? Or to choose another Ma Antara?

GC is promised as 12 CSL Ju+ signifies 3 & 12, 1CSL Ve signifies 12 and among significators Su,Ju for 3, Sa,Ke for 9 and Mo,Ju+, Ra for 12, Mo is in conj with Ke and Sa aspects Mo.

Regards,

tw

Message #19544 of 20357

Attempt of Timing by Swami ji

1. 24feb.1977,15h15m,72e34,23n2(geographic),Time zone:+-5h30m.Nodoubts about birth time.Asc Ge 27-36-21, Moon Ar 23-43-09, New KPA 23-26-52 (KPAstro 3.0)2. It's interesting that Swami ji's choice of Sept 23/24 is very closeto Dr Luther's Sept 19/20 although approaches are entirely different.3. > RPs >> TOJ 8 sept 2008 16:36:22 at 27N11 78N02Asc: Sa--Mo--Sa (Sgl-Stl_Sbl)Mo:--Ju--Ke--Ve (which is Ra's sgl)Day Lord Mo4. As per standard KP approach, Ra/Ju/Ve/Sa DBAS and Sept 23/24 areworked out.5. The possible timing may be on 24 Sept 2008 (Ra/Ju/Ve/Sa/Ve), after12-43-37 PM Washington D.C. time (DST, 5hrs West of GMT), when Mo inSa star moves into Ve sub and transit of Sun and DBAS lords as follows:Su: Me-Su-Ve (Sgl-Stl_Sbl)Ra: Sa-Mo-VeJu: Ju-Ve-RaVe: Ve-Ra-RaSa: Su-Ve-Ju6. Since the native is already more than 10 years in US, it's supposedUS to be his current residence and the main houses to get GC(permenant stay permit) to be 1,4,6, 11 (with supporting 9,12).7. As 8 is signified by dasa lords Ju, Ve, Sa, it's to get it aftersome kind of disappointment, like friends already got but not yet got,got late etc. , "swami" <swami wrote:>> +AHwAfA- Om Gurave Namah +AHwAfA-> Hare Ram Krishna,> Dear, may be it apears as repeated> Case taken up for rectification/verification on 06 Sept 2008 at14:53:32 at 27N11 78N02>> The ASC at Reported BT - 2s:27:32:52 Mercury Jupiter VenusRahu>> Moon at TOJ is 7s:07:12:54 Mars SaturnMercury Saturn>>>> Step one: RP at Birth Jup Mer Ven Mars Rahu and Ketu>> RP at MOJ Ven Jup Sat Mars Rahu>> Common are JUP Rah Mars Ven>> No rectification is called for, except possible finding of correctSub-sub.>> Time chart at moment of judgment have Jup so sub-sub could be Jup>> So time of Birth could be 3:15:40>> We cast chart taking this time.>>>> a.. Now what is green card.: United States Permanent ResidentCard, an identification document issued by the United States ofAmerica affording non-citizens of that country some of the rights itscitizens enjoy, sometimes with the prospect of naturalization.> b.. We have to predict From Birth Chart.> Concept/ assumption. 1. First supremo indicate every thing,including efforts made by native at a point of time.>> VI stands of success.>> XII is for foreign residence.>> IX is journey, here it is not important, Native is already inforeign land.>> Assumption 2. If green card is promised Desire / efforts must besuccessful.>> Assumption 3 DBAS should be significator of I,VI and XI.>> We try to analyse the issue at hand, keeping in mind that Event isat hand as reported.>>>> Current DBAS For Native as per Birth Chart are.>> Rah-Jup-VEN- Sat : 13 sept to 6 oct.2008>> Rah-JUP-VEN-MER: 6 Oct to 26 Oct 2008>> RAH-JUP-VEN-Ketu: 26 OCT to 4 Nov 2008.>> Rah-Jup-SUN-SUN 4 Nov to 6 Nov>> RAH-JUP-SUN-Moo: 6 Nov to 10 NOV 2008 etc.>>>> Mahadasa Nath is significator OF VI and XI.>> Bhukti-lord JUP is significator of VIII XI III>> Antra - lord Ven signify VIII ASC IV and XII>> So event is not denied for DBA signify Either of ASC 12,6 and XI>> We have to choose Sukhma and see if by Transit of Luminaries andJoint period rulers>> When event is possible?>> Now we seek help OF RP.>> TOJ 8 sept 2008 16:36:22>> RP Ket: Jup: Mon: Sat: Rah: Ketu>> Examination of Joint planet rulers JPR>> Rahu ASPTD by Moon sig 12 is connected to Houses 11and 2>> Jup Signify 3.8 and 11 and connected by sub 6+ACY-11>> Ven Signify 1,4,8,10 connected by Sub to 6+ACY-11>> Sat Signify 1,4,8 connected by sub to Me with 1,4+ACY- 9>> Ket Signify 51012,1,8 etc (asected by sat and conjt moon)>> Moo are connected by sub with 3,9>> SUN signify 3,4,8 connected by sub to houses 8.9asc>> MERC signify 6,7,8,11 connected to sub of Jup to 10,7 and 11>> Moon signify 5,10,12 and connected by Sub with 8.9 and ASC>> Therefore common and fruitful planet to act as Sukham appears is>> Sat which can give results about Residence and desire 1 and 4>> Sat among RP>> So we may examine Transits during SUKHASM of SAT>> But I can not proceed further because we don+IBk-t know which arethe planets that should be relied for transit in sub- star of forevent to occur for lack of known rule. Had it been a Horary chartthings could have been better.>> The green card award/ denial can be expected by 6 Oct 2008.>> 23/24 Sept date appears favorable.>>>> OM TATSAT> ------------------------> ASTROLOGER+AF8-RCSrivastava.> Teaching +ACY- Consultations> http:+AFwAXA-www.kaalvastu.com , "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> > > Dear biprid,> thanks for update.Sorry to learn that your son is compelled to wait further.> After all Sat sukham played trick to delay.> > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> Teaching & Consultations> http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > -----------------------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> --> > - > biprid > > Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Respected Dr.Lutherji,Sudhirji and Swamiji,> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my > son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough > to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by > me.> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he > received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial > nature and duly complied by the lawyer.> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at > September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at > the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally > adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result > was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier > were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came > later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be > further delay due to one reason or other ?> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota > begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.> Biprid.> - > > In , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> > > > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > > > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon 23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > > > > XII 27:23:03 > > > > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > > > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > > > II 21:53:16 > > Mer 26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05 > > > > III 19:11:51 > > VII 27:41:25 > > VI 27:23:03 > > V 24:33:30> > > > Rahu 3:38:52 > > > > IV 20:41:33 > > > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in > constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. > So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant > i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus > aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and > XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving > Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus > as lord of XII can give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the > zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati-Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika-Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has > to be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong > ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on > judgment.> > > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. > Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > > > > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > biprid biprid@> > > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > > > > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It > will > > certainly enhance > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >>

October 19, 2008

Dear Bhaskar,

Our late Guruji KSK had stressed repeatedly that one must check first, for the genuineness of a horoscope cast...before attempting to analyse it...

The problem Mr.Bhaskar,is NOT "free astrology" as you put it...

The challenge to ALL Astrologers is accuracy of the prediction... !

In this matter, our late Guruji has given appropriate instructions...

It is hoped that ALL followers of K.P., familiarise themselves with these instructions,by reading the Krishnamurthi Readers as often as they can...and keep revising whatever they've learnt...constantly,and keep abreast of new research and findings...

To answer your question... Is it not possible to have a child/children outside of marriage...or without marrying the woman at all ?

It is safer to examine the woman's Birth Chart or Horary chart for a number given by her...in queries related to childbirth to minimise the chances of going wrong...atleast,I follow this...and have been quite successful,so far...

As for people coming to test an astrologer,it is an occupational hazard...as I see it...therefore making it all the more important that the astrologer has learnt his astrology lessons well...and has accumulated enough experience to give him the necessary confidence to "handle" such querants too and ...well... !

With the very best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sunday, 19 October, 2008 1:25:26 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear all,I would not blame any of the astroloegrshere for not predictinglycorrectly. If a native writes " all processes are over ", then what mustone surmise ? It is understood that only delivery part has to be checkednow.This is the problem on Interntet astrology and Free astrology. When aperson asks me when will I have a chiled, why must I doubt whether hehas married or not. Would i not straight away look for the pointers ofthe 5th house when getting actiavted from the date, he comes to meet me? Os must I look behind to check whether he has married or not ?Keeping this case besides(apart) , I want to comment that there are attimes cases when astrologers come under scrutiny. We have to be carefulof over intelligent natives coming to meet us, who have nothing to giftaway, but wish to check how intelligent the astrologer is.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a predictionbut for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit thetarget. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do nottake it as I am trying to prove myself as right.> You have written in your message, "Event: Green card. All processesare over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot systemgreen cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and heis also likely to receive very soon.> From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates ofreceiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens."> You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was

understoodthat to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receiveit. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I didnot go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that yourson received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and periodagree to each other.> Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, "House III is vacant. Sunlords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong.But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub ofSaturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble butit does not hinder." So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble.I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querrythat whether your son would get a Green Card.> Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction.

However myexplanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath>>>> > biprid biprid @gro ups.com> Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry>>> Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my> son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough> to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by> me.> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he> received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial>

nature and duly complied by the lawyer.> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at> September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at> the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally> adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result> was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier> were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came> later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be> further delay due to one reason or other ?> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota> begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.> Biprid.> ------------ --------- --------- ---->> In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath

<rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> >> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> >> > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in JupiterÂ¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.> >> > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon 23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> >> >> > XII 27:23:03> >> >> > Asc 27:41:25> >> > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> >> > II 21:53:16> > Mer

26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05> >> > III 19:11:51> > VII 27:41:25> > VI 27:23:03> > V 24:33:30> >> > Rahu 3:38:52> >> > IV 20:41:33> >> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in> constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house.> So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant> i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus> aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and> XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving> Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus> as lord of XII can

give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the> zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has> to be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong> ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on> judgment.> >> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..> Since it fall in day time one can expect

fructification.> >> >> > Dr. Luther> >> >> >> > > > biprid biprid@> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> >> >> > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of> > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It> will> > certainly enhance> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >>>>>

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October 19, 2008

Dear Luther Rath,

In the sixth Reader such a case is discussed for the benefit of all of us...

I suggest you examine the XIth cusp sublord for success or failure...

With the very best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Sunday, 19 October, 2008 7:30:06 AMRe: Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Sir,

In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a prediction but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit the target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do not take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

You have written in your message, "Event: Green card. All processes are over.. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot system green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and he is also likely to receive very soon.

From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens."

You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understood that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receive it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I did not go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19 of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that your son received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and period agree to each other.

Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, "House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder." So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble. I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querry that whether your son would get a Green Card.

Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

biprid <biprid >@gro ups.comSaturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by me.Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial nature and duly complied by the lawyer.Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.Now my question

is : when he will get the green card ? will there be further delay due to one reason or other ?All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.Biprid.------------ --------- --------- -@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn> > Jupiter is

retrograde.> None is in JupiterÂ¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > XII 27:23:03 > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > II 21:53:16 > Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05 > > III 19:11:51 > VII 27:41:25 > VI 27:23:03 > V 24:33:30> > Rahu 3:38:52 > > IV 20:41:33 > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies

VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > biprid <biprid> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of

you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will > certainly enhance > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> Biprid>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php

October 19, 2008

Respected Dr.Luther and Mr.Bhasker,

Most humbly I wish to clarify certain facts related to my earlier

querry on greencard and subsequent feedback given by me. I hold you

in great esteem and hence ,Dr.Lutherji your mild comments have led me

to soul searching and provide this detailed explanation to remove

misunderstanding if any.

Greencard of my son is applied by the legal department of the reputed

company of U.S.A. where he is employed for last five years. Whole

process consists of several steps and stages spread over several

years.During this period qerries can come and complied. As informed

by company to him for his case all formalities were over and stages

covered. After that one can expect to get greencard in particular

year's quota.That is when I wrote to the forum for the probable time

when he may receive it. The fact is that querries for Greencard can

even come after offering it.At any stage or later it can be denied or

taken back.As the luck would have it,In his case the querry (in the

later part of September)was whether he is still an employee or

not.This was already complied on earlier by the company. He missed

the chance whereas his sister who applied late received it in the

last week of Sept.

This is as simple as that.There is absolutely no ill intention or

misinformation from my side.I gave feedback because you wanted it.

As such your analysis has hints for some hinderance.Now the quota is

over and new quota begins from october'08.But the policy may change.

Mr.Bhaskerji,I am one of the old member,not very vocal and read and

understand KP also practice (not actively).Please donot jump to

conlusions and raise doubt on integrity.This is my honest and humble

request.

------------------------------

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a

prediction but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did

not hit the target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this.

Please do not take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

> You have written in your message, " Event: Green card. All

processes are over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by

lot system green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already

received and he is also likely to receive very soon.

> From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of

receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens. "

> You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was

understood that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when

you receive it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And

therefore I did not go into further detail. I predicted that the

receipt shall be on 19 of September in USA. You have mentioned in

your last message that your son received a querry in after mid-

September. So this date and period agree to each other.

> Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, " House III is vacant.

Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is

strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun

occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun

gives trouble but it does not hinder. " So I have given a hint that

there shall be trouble. I would have gone to study the effect of VIII

had there been a querry that whether your son would get a Green Card.

> Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my

explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

> With regards.

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

> biprid <biprid

>

> Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM

> Re: Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

>

> Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,

> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my

> son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough

> to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given

by

> me.

> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he

> received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of

trivial

> nature and duly complied by the lawyer.

> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at

> September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement

at

> the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally

> adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The

result

> was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier

> were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh

came

> later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.

> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there

be

> further delay due to one reason or other ?

> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new

quota

> begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.

> Biprid.

> ------------ --------- --------- ----

>

> In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Son of Biprid

> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> >

> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > Day lord = Saturn

> >

> > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.

> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

> >

> > Ven 24:28:28

> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > Moon 23:48:15

> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> >

> > XII 27:23:03

> >

> > Asc 27:41:25

> >

> > IX 19:11:51

> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> >

> > II 21:53:16

> > Mer 26:47:21

> > VIII 21:53:16

> > Mar 18:11:05

> >

> > III 19:11:51

> > VII 27:41:25

> > VI 27:23:03

> > V 24:33:30

> >

> > Rahu 3:38:52

> >

> > IV 20:41:33

> >

> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

> constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII

house.

> So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of

Ascendant

> i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

> aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and

> XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving

> Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents

Venus

> as lord of XII can give the result.

> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the

> zodiac.

> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has

> to be examined.

> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation

of

> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord

on

> judgment.

> >

> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone

he

> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range

of

> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..

> Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> >

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> > biprid <biprid@>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

> >

> > Ref:green card

> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome

of

> > event.

> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and

logic.It

> will

> > certainly enhance

> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > Biprid

> >

>

October 19, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear TW ji,

Your deduction at 7 in message quoted has stood the test of time.

Yes sir ,Failure is a lesson to learn.

Punarphoo is perhaps punarbhou .Event is not denied .Settled things are unsettled when punarphoo obtains.

I will relook the case study next week and write if I could conclude

about success if seen or if GC is denied.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

-

tw853

Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24 PM

Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear Swami ji,

It may be worthy to learn something for this failed prediction. Is still hope after disappointment, 8 is signified by Bhukti, Antara, Sookshma das lords Ju, Ve, Sa and delay due to Punarphoo? Or to choose another Ma Antara?

GC is promised as 12 CSL Ju+ signifies 3 & 12, 1CSL Ve signifies 12 and among significators Su,Ju for 3, Sa,Ke for 9 and Mo,Ju+, Ra for 12, Mo is in conj with Ke and Sa aspects Mo.

Regards,

tw

Message #19544 of 20357

Attempt of Timing by Swami ji

1. 24feb.1977,15h15m,72e34,23n2(geographic),Time zone:+-5h30m.Nodoubts about birth time.Asc Ge 27-36-21, Moon Ar 23-43-09, New KPA 23-26-52 (KPAstro 3.0)2. It's interesting that Swami ji's choice of Sept 23/24 is very closeto Dr Luther's Sept 19/20 although approaches are entirely different.3. > RPs >> TOJ 8 sept 2008 16:36:22 at 27N11 78N02Asc: Sa--Mo--Sa (Sgl-Stl_Sbl)Mo:--Ju--Ke--Ve (which is Ra's sgl)Day Lord Mo4. As per standard KP approach, Ra/Ju/Ve/Sa DBAS and Sept 23/24 areworked out.5. The possible timing may be on 24 Sept 2008 (Ra/Ju/Ve/Sa/Ve), after12-43-37 PM Washington D.C. time (DST, 5hrs West of GMT), when Mo inSa star moves into Ve sub and transit of Sun and DBAS lords as follows:Su: Me-Su-Ve (Sgl-Stl_Sbl)Ra: Sa-Mo-VeJu: Ju-Ve-RaVe: Ve-Ra-RaSa: Su-Ve-Ju6. Since the native is already more than 10 years in US, it's supposedUS to be his current residence and the main houses to get GC(permenant stay permit) to be 1,4,6, 11 (with supporting 9,12).7. As 8 is signified by dasa lords Ju, Ve, Sa, it's to get it aftersome kind of disappointment, like friends already got but not yet got,got late etc. , "swami" <swami wrote:>> +AHwAfA- Om Gurave Namah +AHwAfA-> Hare Ram Krishna,> Dear, may be it apears as repeated> Case taken up for rectification/verification on 06 Sept 2008 at14:53:32 at 27N11 78N02>> The ASC at Reported BT - 2s:27:32:52 Mercury Jupiter VenusRahu>> Moon at TOJ is 7s:07:12:54 Mars SaturnMercury Saturn>>>> Step one: RP at Birth Jup Mer Ven Mars Rahu and Ketu>> RP at MOJ Ven Jup Sat Mars Rahu>> Common are JUP Rah Mars Ven>> No rectification is called for, except possible finding of correctSub-sub.>> Time chart at moment of judgment have Jup so sub-sub could be Jup>> So time of Birth could be 3:15:40>> We cast chart taking this time.>>>> a.. Now what is green card.: United States Permanent ResidentCard, an identification document issued by the United States ofAmerica affording non-citizens of that country some of the rights itscitizens enjoy, sometimes with the prospect of naturalization.> b.. We have to predict From Birth Chart.> Concept/ assumption. 1. First supremo indicate every thing,including efforts made by native at a point of time.>> VI stands of success.>> XII is for foreign residence.>> IX is journey, here it is not important, Native is already inforeign land.>> Assumption 2. If green card is promised Desire / efforts must besuccessful.>> Assumption 3 DBAS should be significator of I,VI and XI.>> We try to analyse the issue at hand, keeping in mind that Event isat hand as reported.>>>> Current DBAS For Native as per Birth Chart are.>> Rah-Jup-VEN- Sat : 13 sept to 6 oct.2008>> Rah-JUP-VEN-MER: 6 Oct to 26 Oct 2008>> RAH-JUP-VEN-Ketu: 26 OCT to 4 Nov 2008.>> Rah-Jup-SUN-SUN 4 Nov to 6 Nov>> RAH-JUP-SUN-Moo: 6 Nov to 10 NOV 2008 etc.>>>> Mahadasa Nath is significator OF VI and XI.>> Bhukti-lord JUP is significator of VIII XI III>> Antra - lord Ven signify VIII ASC IV and XII>> So event is not denied for DBA signify Either of ASC 12,6 and XI>> We have to choose Sukhma and see if by Transit of Luminaries andJoint period rulers>> When event is possible?>> Now we seek help OF RP.>> TOJ 8 sept 2008 16:36:22>> RP Ket: Jup: Mon: Sat: Rah: Ketu>> Examination of Joint planet rulers JPR>> Rahu ASPTD by Moon sig 12 is connected to Houses 11and 2>> Jup Signify 3.8 and 11 and connected by sub 6+ACY-11>> Ven Signify 1,4,8,10 connected by Sub to 6+ACY-11>> Sat Signify 1,4,8 connected by sub to Me with 1,4+ACY- 9>> Ket Signify 51012,1,8 etc (asected by sat and conjt moon)>> Moo are connected by sub with 3,9>> SUN signify 3,4,8 connected by sub to houses 8.9asc>> MERC signify 6,7,8,11 connected to sub of Jup to 10,7 and 11>> Moon signify 5,10,12 and connected by Sub with 8.9 and ASC>> Therefore common and fruitful planet to act as Sukham appears is>> Sat which can give results about Residence and desire 1 and 4>> Sat among RP>> So we may examine Transits during SUKHASM of SAT>> But I can not proceed further because we don+IBk-t know which arethe planets that should be relied for transit in sub- star of forevent to occur for lack of known rule. Had it been a Horary chartthings could have been better.>> The green card award/ denial can be expected by 6 Oct 2008.>> 23/24 Sept date appears favorable.>>>> OM TATSAT> ------------------------> ASTROLOGER+AF8-RCSrivastava.> Teaching +ACY- Consultations> http:+AFwAXA-www.kaalvastu.com , "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> > > Dear biprid,> thanks for update.Sorry to learn that your son is compelled to wait further.> After all Sat sukham played trick to delay.> > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> Teaching & Consultations> http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > -----------------------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> --> > - > biprid > > Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Respected Dr.Lutherji,Sudhirji and Swamiji,> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my > son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough > to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by > me.> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he > received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial > nature and duly complied by the lawyer.> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at > September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at > the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally > adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result > was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier > were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came > later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be > further delay due to one reason or other ?> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota > begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.> Biprid.> - > > In , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> > > > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > > > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon 23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > > > > XII 27:23:03 > > > > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > > > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > > > II 21:53:16 > > Mer 26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05 > > > > III 19:11:51 > > VII 27:41:25 > > VI 27:23:03 > > V 24:33:30> > > > Rahu 3:38:52 > > > > IV 20:41:33 > > > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in > constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. > So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant > i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus > aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and > XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving > Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus > as lord of XII can give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the > zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati-Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika-Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has > to be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong > ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on > judgment.> > > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. > Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > > > > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > biprid biprid@> > > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > > > > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It > will > > certainly enhance > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >>

October 19, 2008

Dear Shri Yogeshji,

The genuinity of a chart, is not checked normally, because no one would

come without a problem normally, and if he has come it is understood

that some genuinity is there. And apart from this every time one cannot

check the genuinity or the birth time, when one is doing any chart

casually, especially on the forums. And normally when one does a prshna

chart, the Moon is supposed to show the purity of the prashna in some

way.

A woman can have children without marriage, yes thats right, but

normally in India we do not not co-relate mostly with such women. Here

we are referring to the general trend and not to exceptions.

But Your comments are valued, and right, and I agree to them.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Our late Guruji KSK had stressed

repeatedly that one must check first, for the genuineness of a horoscope

cast...before attempting to analyse it...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The problem Mr.Bhaskar,is NOT

" free astrology " as you put it...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The challenge to ALL Astrologers

is accuracy of the prediction... !

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In this matter, our late Guruji

has given appropriate instructions...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is hoped that ALL followers of

K.P., familiarise themselves with these instructions,by reading the

Krishnamurthi Readers as often as they can...and keep revising whatever

they've learnt...constantly,and keep abreast ofÂ new research and

findings...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â To answer your question... Is it

not possible to have a child/children outside of marriage...or without

marrying the woman at all ?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is safer to examine the woman's

Birth Chart or Horary chart for a number given by her...in queries

related to childbirth to minimise the chances of going wrong...atleast,I

follow this...and have been Â quite successful,so far...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â As for people coming totest an

astrologer,it is an occupational hazard...as I see it...therefore making

it all the more important that the astrologer has learnt his astrology

lessons well...and has accumulated enough experience to give him the

necessary confidence to " handle " such querants too and ...well... !

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With the very best wishes,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â L.Y.Rao.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Sunday, 19 October, 2008 1:25:26 PM

> Re: Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

>

> Dear all,

>

> I would not blame any of the astroloegrshere for not predictingly

> correctly. If a native writes " all processes are over " , then what

must

> one surmise ? It is understood that only delivery part has to be

checked

> now.

>

> This is the problem on Interntet astrology and Free astrology. When a

> person asks me when will I have a chiled, why must I doubt whether he

> has married or not. Would i not straight away look for the pointers of

> the 5th house when getting actiavted from the date, he comes to meet

me

> ? Os must I look behind to check whether he has married or not ?

>

> Keeping this case besides(apart) , I want to comment that there are at

> times cases when astrologers come under scrutiny. We have to be

careful

> of over intelligent natives coming to meet us, who have nothing to

gift

> away, but wish to check how intelligent the astrologer is.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a

prediction

> but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit the

> target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do

not

> take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

> > You have written in your message, " Event: Green card. All processes

> are over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot system

> green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and

he

> is also likely to receive very soon.

> > From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of

> receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens. "

> > You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understood

> that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receive

> it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I

did

> not go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on

19

> of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that your

> son received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and period

> agree to each other.

> > Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, " House III is vacant.

Sun

> lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is

strong.

> But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of

> Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble

but

> it does not hinder. " So I have given a hint that there shall be

trouble.

> I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querry

> that whether your son would get a Green Card.

> > Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my

> explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

> > With regards.

> > Dr. Luther Rath

> >

> > biprid biprid@

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM

> > Re: Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

> >

> > Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,

> > This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my

> > son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough

> > to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by

> > me.

> > Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he

> > received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial

> > nature and duly complied by the lawyer.

> > Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at

> > September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement

at

> > the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally

> > adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result

> > was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier

> > were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh

came

> > later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.

> > Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be

> > further delay due to one reason or other ?

> > All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota

> > begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.

> > Biprid.

> > ------------ --------- --------- ----

> >

> > In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Son of Biprid

> > > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> > >

> > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> > > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > > Day lord = Saturn

> > >

> > > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > > None is in JupiterÂ¢s constellation.

> > > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

> > >

> > > Ven 24:28:28

> > > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > > Moon 23:48:15

> > > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> > >

> > > XII 27:23:03

> > >

> > > Asc 27:41:25

> > >

> > > IX 19:11:51

> > > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> > >

> > > II 21:53:16

> > > Mer 26:47:21

> > > VIII 21:53:16

> > > Mar 18:11:05

> > >

> > > III 19:11:51

> > > VII 27:41:25

> > > VI 27:23:03

> > > V 24:33:30

> > >

> > > Rahu 3:38:52

> > >

> > > IV 20:41:33

> > >

> > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

> > > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

> > constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house.

> > So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of

Ascendant

> > i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

> > aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and

> > XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving

> > Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents

Venus

> > as lord of XII can give the result.

> > > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the

> > zodiac.

> > > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has

> > to be examined.

> > > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of

> > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> > ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

> > judgment.

> > >

> > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he

> > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of

> > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..

> > Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> > >

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > > biprid biprid@

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > > Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

> > >

> > > Ref:green card

> > > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome

of

> > > event.

> > > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

> > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It

> > will

> > > certainly enhance

> > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > > Biprid

> > >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >

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> >

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October 19, 2008

Dear mr. biprid,

I am least concerned with you personally and do not even know you, so

theres no question about jumping to conclusions or doubting your

integrity. That is not my look out. If you read my mail addressed to

Shri Lutherji once again, you will find the mention " Keeping this

case besides(apart), I want to comment that there ........... " so you

are not in my thoughts when I write this statement to him, but an

astrologer is talking to another, and sharing what he must.

Therefore please remove misapprehensions, if any .

Best wishes,

bhaskar.

, " biprid " <biprid wrote:

>

> Respected Dr.Luther and Mr.Bhasker,

> Most humbly I wish to clarify certain facts related to my earlier

> querry on greencard and subsequent feedback given by me. I hold you

> in great esteem and hence ,Dr.Lutherji your mild comments have led

me

> to soul searching and provide this detailed explanation to remove

> misunderstanding if any.

> Greencard of my son is applied by the legal department of the

reputed

> company of U.S.A. where he is employed for last five years. Whole

> process consists of several steps and stages spread over several

> years.During this period qerries can come and complied. As informed

> by company to him for his case all formalities were over and stages

> covered. After that one can expect to get greencard in particular

> year's quota.That is when I wrote to the forum for the probable

time

> when he may receive it. The fact is that querries for Greencard can

> even come after offering it.At any stage or later it can be denied

or

> taken back.As the luck would have it,In his case the querry (in the

> later part of September)was whether he is still an employee or

> not.This was already complied on earlier by the company. He missed

> the chance whereas his sister who applied late received it in the

> last week of Sept.

>

> This is as simple as that.There is absolutely no ill intention or

> misinformation from my side.I gave feedback because you wanted it.

> As such your analysis has hints for some hinderance.Now the quota

is

> over and new quota begins from october'08.But the policy may

change.

> Mr.Bhaskerji,I am one of the old member,not very vocal and read and

> understand KP also practice (not actively).Please donot jump to

> conlusions and raise doubt on integrity.This is my honest and

humble

> request.

>

> ------------------------------

> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a

> prediction but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did

> not hit the target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing

this.

> Please do not take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

> > You have written in your message, " Event: Green card. All

> processes are over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by

> lot system green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already

> received and he is also likely to receive very soon.

> > From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of

> receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens. "

> > You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was

> understood that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was

when

> you receive it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And

> therefore I did not go into further detail. I predicted that the

> receipt shall be on 19 of September in USA. You have mentioned in

> your last message that your son received a querry in after mid-

> September. So this date and period agree to each other.

> > Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, " House III is

vacant.

> Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is

> strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun

> occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So

sun

> gives trouble but it does not hinder. " So I have given a hint that

> there shall be trouble. I would have gone to study the effect of

VIII

> had there been a querry that whether your son would get a Green

Card.

> > Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my

> explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

> > With regards.

> > Dr. Luther Rath

> >

> > biprid <biprid@>

> >

> > Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM

> > Re: Your valuable response to " Green

> card " querry

> >

> > Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,

> > This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my

> > son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind

enough

> > to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given

> by

> > me.

> > Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he

> > received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of

> trivial

> > nature and duly complied by the lawyer.

> > Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at

> > September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to

mismanagement

> at

> > the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they

finally

> > adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The

> result

> > was that some who applied later got it and some who applied

earlier

> > were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh

> came

> > later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.

> > Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there

> be

> > further delay due to one reason or other ?

> > All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new

> quota

> > begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.

> > Biprid.

> > ------------ --------- --------- ----

> >

> > In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Son of Biprid

> > > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> > >

> > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N

19.

> > > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > > Day lord = Saturn

> > >

> > > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.

> > > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and

Mars.

> > >

> > > Ven 24:28:28

> > > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > > Moon 23:48:15

> > > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> > >

> > > XII 27:23:03

> > >

> > > Asc 27:41:25

> > >

> > > IX 19:11:51

> > > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> > >

> > > II 21:53:16

> > > Mer 26:47:21

> > > VIII 21:53:16

> > > Mar 18:11:05

> > >

> > > III 19:11:51

> > > VII 27:41:25

> > > VI 27:23:03

> > > V 24:33:30

> > >

> > > Rahu 3:38:52

> > >

> > > IV 20:41:33

> > >

> > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.

> > > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

> > constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII

> house.

> > So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of

> Ascendant

> > i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

> > aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI

and

> > XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by

achieving

> > Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents

> Venus

> > as lord of XII can give the result.

> > > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in

the

> > zodiac.

> > > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon

has

> > to be examined.

> > > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation

> of

> > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> > ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord

> on

> > judgment.

> > >

> > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone

> he

> > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range

> of

> > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in

USA..

> > Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> > >

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > > biprid <biprid@>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > > Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

> > >

> > > Ref:green card

> > > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the

outcome

> of

> > > event.

> > > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning

exercise.I

> > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and

> logic.It

> > will

> > > certainly enhance

> > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > > Biprid

> > >

> >

>

October 20, 2008

Thank you Dear Rao Sir for your suggestion. Can you please point at the example if you remember instantly. You need not take pain to search out. I shall find out.

Thank you again.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Cc: Luther Rath <rathkutherSunday, October 19, 2008 9:41:57 PMRe: Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear Luther Rath,

In the sixth Reader such a case is discussed for the benefit of all of us...

I suggest you examine the XIth cusp sublord for success or failure...

With the very best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSunday, 19 October, 2008 7:30:06 AMRe: Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Sir,

In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a prediction but for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit the target. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do not take it as I am trying to prove myself as right.

You have written in your message, "Event: Green card. All processes are over.. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot system green cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and he is also likely to receive very soon.

From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates of receiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens."

You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understood that to have a Green Card was sure. And the query was when you receive it. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I did not go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19 of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that your son received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and period agree to each other.

Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, "House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder." So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble. I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querry that whether your son would get a Green Card.

Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However my explanation is as above. Kindly do not take otherwise.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

biprid <biprid >@gro ups.comSaturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by me.Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial nature and duly complied by the lawyer.Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota for the year ends at September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.Now my question

is : when he will get the green card ? will there be further delay due to one reason or other ?All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.Biprid.------------ --------- --------- -@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn> > Jupiter is

retrograde.> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars. > > Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> > > XII 27:23:03 > > > Asc 27:41:25 > > IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> > II 21:53:16 > Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05 > > III 19:11:51 > VII 27:41:25 > VI 27:23:03 > V 24:33:30> > Rahu 3:38:52 > > IV 20:41:33 > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies

VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII can give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the zodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to be examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > biprid <biprid> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of

you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of > event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It will > certainly enhance > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> Biprid>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php

October 20, 2008

Respected sir,

The DBAS have to be assaertained fron the natal chart that means for the place of birth. But for fixing of time by examining the transit of planets, I believe we have to consider the place where the native lives at the time of fruition. When a person lives in western countries we should also consider whether the time of fruition falls in day time or night and whether it is probable. If exact time is predicted it should be according to the time zone there. Am I right Sir?

With due regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24:13 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear Dr. Luther,Is transit to take at the place of judgment or the place where thenative is presently located?Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Son of Biprid> 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)>> Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> Moon sign Lord = Mars> Moon star lord = Saturn> Day lord = Saturn>> Jupiter is retrograde.> None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.>> Ven 24:28:28> X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> Moon 23:48:15> XI 24:33:30 Jup

0:24:26>>> XII 27:23:03>>> Asc 27:41:25>> IX 19:11:51> Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51>> II 21:53:16> Mer 26:47:21> VIII 21:53:16> Mar 18:11:05>> III 19:11:51> VII 27:41:25> VI 27:23:03> V 24:33:30>> Rahu 3:38:52>> IV 20:41:33>> Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellationof Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there istrouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th toIII. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspectsSo Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. SinceRahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green

Card),it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XIIcan give the result.> If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in thezodiac.> 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has tobe examined.> Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation ofKritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong rulingplanet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.>> Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone heresides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of10.5 to 13.5 hours)> Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Sinceit fall in day time one can expect

fructification.>>> Dr. Luther>>>> > biprid biprid @gro ups.com> Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> Your valuable response to "Green card"querry>>> Ref:green card> Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of> event.> I will keep you posted with the outcome.> Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I> request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.Itwill> certainly enhance> understanding of KP principles and art of its application.>

Biprid>

October 20, 2008

Dear Dr. Luther Rath,

1. Thanks for clarification which is right.

2. Unfortunately it looks not so in the GC prediction as found below:

1) transit Moon on 20th September 2008, Saturday, is chosen at the place of judgment (India) by RP Saturn;

> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment

2) then it seems converted for the place where the native lives (US);

> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours) > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since > it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> >

3) 19th September in USA is Friday and Venus is not in the RPs, implying that date cannot be chosen by using RP.

3. BTW GC (permanent stay permit) seems to let the native to stay on at the present residence where he has been more than 10 years by the signification of 4,11 but not to move him out by the signification of 3,12.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected sir,> The DBAS have to be assaertained fron the natal chart that means for the place of birth. But for fixing of time by examining the transit of planets, I believe we have to consider the place where the native lives at the time of fruition. When a person lives in western countries we should also consider whether the time of fruition falls in day time or night and whether it is probable. If exact time is predicted it should be according to the time zone there. Am I right Sir?> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > tw853 tw853 > Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24:13 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> > > > Dear Dr. Luther,> > Is transit to take at the place of judgment or the place where the> native is presently located?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> >> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> >> > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.> >> > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon 23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> >> >> > XII 27:23:03> >> >> > Asc 27:41:25> >> > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> >> > II 21:53:16> > Mer 26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05> >> > III 19:11:51> > VII 27:41:25> > VI 27:23:03> > V 24:33:30> >> > Rahu 3:38:52> >> > IV 20:41:33> >> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS..> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation> of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is> trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to> III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects> So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since> Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card),> it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII> can give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the> zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to> be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling> planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> >> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since> it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> >> >> > Dr. Luther> >> >> >> > > > biprid biprid@> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> >> >> > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of> > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It> will> > certainly enhance> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >> > > > > > > >

October 20, 2008

Respected Sir,

Will you please uncover the time and date of receipt of the query letter by your Son? Then we can have a retrospective study for refining of the planetary position or any thing..

Thanks for your kind reply.

Dr. Luther Rath

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:14:11 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear Dr. Luther Rath,

1. Thanks for clarification which is right.

2. Unfortunately it looks not so in the GC prediction as found below:

1) transit Moon on 20th September 2008, Saturday, is chosen at the place of judgment (India) by RP Saturn;

> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment

2) then it seems converted for the place where the native lives (US);

> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours) > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA.. Since > it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> >

3) 19th September in USA is Friday and Venus is not in the RPs, implying that date cannot be chosen by using RP.

3. BTW GC (permanent stay permit) seems to let the native to stay on at the present residence where he has been more than 10 years by the signification of 4,11 but not to move him out by the signification of 3,12.

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected sir,> The DBAS have to be assaertained fron the natal chart that means for the place of birth. But for fixing of time by examining the transit of planets, I believe we have to consider the place where the native lives at the time of fruition. When a person lives in western countries we should also consider whether the time of fruition falls in day time or night and whether it is probable. If exact time is predicted it should be according to the time zone there. Am I right Sir?> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > tw853 tw853 @gro ups.com> Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24:13 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry>

> > > Dear Dr. Luther,> > Is transit to take at the place of judgment or the place where the> native is presently located?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)> >> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce.. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> >> > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in Jupiter¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.> >> > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon

23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> >> >> > XII 27:23:03> >> >> > Asc 27:41:25> >> > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> >> > II 21:53:16> > Mer 26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05> >> > III 19:11:51> > VII 27:41:25> > VI 27:23:03> > V 24:33:30> >> > Rahu 3:38:52> >> > IV 20:41:33> >> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS..> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in constellation> of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is> trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to> III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is

occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects> So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since> Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card),> it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord of XII> can give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the> zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to> be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong ruling> planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on judgment.> >> > Your son is in USA, I

suppose. I do not know in which time zone he> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA... Since> it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> >> >> > Dr. Luther> >> >> >> > > > biprid biprid@> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> >> >> > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of> > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good

learning exercise.I> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It> will> > certainly enhance> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. >

October 20, 2008

Dear Dr.Luther,

My son is located at Seattle,WA

Comparative Time zone is:

New Delhi Mon 11:00 PM Seattle Mon 10:30 AM

Regarding time and date of querry received,I will try to get the

details from my son and as and when I receive I will let you know.

I sincerely thank you,Tinwinji, Lajmiji and Swamiji for taking keen

interest in analysis.

biprid

-------------------------------

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> Will you please uncover the time and date of receipt of the query

letter by your Son? Then we can have a retrospective study for

refining of the planetary position or any thing.

> Thanks for your kind reply.

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Monday, October 20, 2008 6:14:11 PM

> Re: Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

>

> Dear Dr. Luther Rath,

> 1. Thanks for clarification which is right.

> 2. Unfortunately it looksï¿½not so in the GC prediction as found below:

> 1) transit Moon on 20th September 2008,ï¿½ï¿½Saturday, ï¿½is chosen at the

place of judgment (India) by RP Saturn;

> > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation

of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

judgment

>

> 2) then it seems converted for the place whereï¿½the native lives (US);

> > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone

he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of

> > 10.5 to 13.5 hours) > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On

19th September in USA.. Since > it fall in day time one can expect

fructification.

> > >

>

> 3) 19th September in USA is Friday and Venus is not in the RPs,

implyingï¿½that date cannot be chosen by using RP.

> 3. BTW GCï¿½(permanent stay permit) seems to let theï¿½native to stay on

at the present residence where he has been more than 10 yearsï¿½by the

signification of 4,11 but not to move him out by the signification of

3,12.

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

> ï¿½

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Respected sir,

> > The DBAS have to be assaertained fron the natal chart that means

for the place of birth. But for fixing of time by examining the

transit of planets, I believe we have to consider the place where the

native lives at the time of fruition. When a person lives in western

countries we should also consider whether the time of fruition falls

in day time or night and whether it is probable. If exact time is

predicted it should be according to the time zone there. Am I right Sir?

> > With due regards.

> > Dr. Luther Rath

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24:13 PM

> > Re: Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

> >

> > Dear Dr. Luther,

> >

> > Is transit to take at the place of judgment or the place where the

> > native is presently located?

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Son of Biprid

> > > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> > >

> > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> > > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > > Day lord = Saturn

> > >

> > > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > > None is in Jupiterï¿½s constellation.

> > > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

> > >

> > > Ven 24:28:28

> > > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > > Moon 23:48:15

> > > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> > >

> > > XII 27:23:03

> > >

> > > Asc 27:41:25

> > >

> > > IX 19:11:51

> > > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> > >

> > > II 21:53:16

> > > Mer 26:47:21

> > > VIII 21:53:16

> > > Mar 18:11:05

> > >

> > > III 19:11:51

> > > VII 27:41:25

> > > VI 27:23:03

> > > V 24:33:30

> > >

> > > Rahu 3:38:52

> > >

> > > IV 20:41:33

> > >

> > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS..

> > > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

constellation

> > of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is

> > trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to

> > III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus aspects

> > So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI. Since

> > Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green Card),

> > it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord

of XII

> > can give the result.

> > > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the

> > zodiac.

> > > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has to

> > be examined.

> > > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of

> > Kritika.. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

ruling

> > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

judgment.

> > >

> > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he

> > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of

> > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..

Since

> > it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> > >

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > > biprid biprid@

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > > Your valuable response to " Green card " querry

> > >

> > > Ref:green card

> > > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of

> > > event.

> > > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I

> > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It

> > will

> > > certainly enhance

> > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > > Biprid

> > >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > http://mail.

> >

>

October 21, 2008

Dear Biprid,

1. What you've said truly and honestly before and after the result of

your son's job related GC case, mainly it was sure before and not so

sure this time.

2. The problem is a little bit misunderstanding of the nature of

getting the job related GC as happened in the case discussed in

Msg#3578 and related thread.

3. Astrologically job is secured and GC is promised for your son and

so he will get it and the question is only timing. I believe Swami ji

will come back.

We thank you for feedback to learn more about this very interesting

case.

Good luck for your son.

tw

, " biprid " <biprid wrote:

>

> Dear Dr.Luther,

> My son is located at Seattle,WA

> Comparative Time zone is:

> New Delhi Mon 11:00 PM Seattle Mon 10:30 AM

> Regarding time and date of querry received,I will try to get the

> details from my son and as and when I receive I will let you know.

> I sincerely thank you,Tinwinji, Lajmiji and Swamiji for taking keen

> interest in analysis.

> biprid

> -------------------------------

>

> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > Will you please uncover the time and date of receipt of the query

> letter by your Son? Then we can have a retrospective study for

> refining of the planetary position or any thing.

> > Thanks for your kind reply.

> > Dr. Luther Rath

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> >

> > Monday, October 20, 2008 6:14:11 PM

> > Re: Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

> >

> > Dear Dr. Luther Rath,

> > 1. Thanks for clarification which is right.

> > 2. Unfortunately it looksï¿½not so in the GC prediction as found

below:

> > 1) transit Moon on 20th September 2008,ï¿½ï¿½Saturday, ï¿½is

chosen at the

> place of judgment (India) by RP Saturn;

> > > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in

constellation

> of > Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> ruling > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord

on

> judgment

> >

> > 2) then it seems converted for the place whereï¿½the native lives

(US);

> > > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time

zone

> he > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.

(Range of

> > > 10.5 to 13.5 hours) > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On

> 19th September in USA.. Since > it fall in day time one can expect

> fructification.

> > > >

> >

> > 3) 19th September in USA is Friday and Venus is not in the RPs,

> implyingï¿½that date cannot be chosen by using RP.

> > 3. BTW GCï¿½(permanent stay permit) seems to let theï¿½native to

stay on

> at the present residence where he has been more than 10 yearsï¿½by

the

> signification of 4,11 but not to move him out by the signification

of

> 3,12.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> > ï¿½

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected sir,

> > > The DBAS have to be assaertained fron the natal chart that means

> for the place of birth. But for fixing of time by examining the

> transit of planets, I believe we have to consider the place where

the

> native lives at the time of fruition. When a person lives in western

> countries we should also consider whether the time of fruition falls

> in day time or night and whether it is probable. If exact time is

> predicted it should be according to the time zone there. Am I right

Sir?

> > > With due regards.

> > > Dr. Luther Rath

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853@

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:24:13 PM

> > > Re: Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

> > >

> > > Dear Dr. Luther,

> > >

> > > Is transit to take at the place of judgment or the place where

the

> > > native is presently located?

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath

<rathluther@ ...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Son of Biprid

> > > > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m, 72e34,23n2( geographic)

> > > >

> > > > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N

19.

> > > > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter

> > > > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury

> > > > Moon sign Lord = Mars

> > > > Moon star lord = Saturn

> > > > Day lord = Saturn

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is retrograde.

> > > > None is in Jupiterï¿½s constellation.

> > > > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Ven 24:28:28

> > > > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52

> > > > Moon 23:48:15

> > > > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26

> > > >

> > > > XII 27:23:03

> > > >

> > > > Asc 27:41:25

> > > >

> > > > IX 19:11:51

> > > > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51

> > > >

> > > > II 21:53:16

> > > > Mer 26:47:21

> > > > VIII 21:53:16

> > > > Mar 18:11:05

> > > >

> > > > III 19:11:51

> > > > VII 27:41:25

> > > > VI 27:23:03

> > > > V 24:33:30

> > > >

> > > > Rahu 3:38:52

> > > >

> > > > IV 20:41:33

> > > >

> > > > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through

DBAS..

> > > > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in

> constellation

> > > of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house. So there

is

> > > trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant i.e.

11th to

> > > III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.

> > > > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus

aspects

> > > So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and XI.

Since

> > > Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving Green

Card),

> > > it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus as lord

> of XII

> > > can give the result.

> > > > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in

the

> > > zodiac.

> > > > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub

> > > > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.

> > > > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.

> > > > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon

has to

> > > be examined.

> > > > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.

> > > > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in

constellation of

> > > Kritika.. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong

> ruling

> > > planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on

> judgment.

> > > >

> > > > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time

zone he

> > > resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.

(Range of

> > > 10.5 to 13.5 hours)

> > > > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in

USA..

> Since

> > > it fall in day time one can expect fructification.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Luther

> > > >

> > > > biprid biprid@

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM

> > > > Your valuable response to " Green

card " querry

> > > >

> > > > Ref:green card

> > > > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,

> > > > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the

outcome of

> > > > event.

> > > > I will keep you posted with the outcome.

> > > > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning

exercise.I

> > > > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and

logic.It

> > > will

> > > > certainly enhance

> > > > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.

> > > > Biprid

> > > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > http://mail.

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2008

Dear Friends

Many people will visit astrologers to test instead of getting predictions. V can found it through horary charts very easily.

In 1984 when i stepped in to astrology field a lady came with a question that i has to predict about the person.

i have erected Horary chart as per the time and predict the natives health problem, financial loss etc.

Then the same lady brought her family friend. i have erected Horary chart and found Sandhi lagna Virgo and Libra,

So, i asked the lady i am in cofussion that the question rellated to other lady or related to business. her reply was , first analyse on the other lady which is very important.

One person told me that the birth details is of his friend and he know about the past events date wise.

I have erected the birth chart and i made a small mistake in adding bhukti period and predict the death of the natives father.

That person shown my mistake and told that his father dead on that day itself.

After some days he came to me and begged pardon for his false as the chart was his but said it was his friend .

Such people are in Universe.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Sun, 19/10/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry Date: Sunday, 19 October, 2008, 9:37 PM

Dear Bhaskar,

Our late Guruji KSK had stressed repeatedly that one must check first, for the genuineness of a horoscope cast...before attempting to analyse it...

The problem Mr.Bhaskar,is NOT "free astrology" as you put it...

The challenge to ALL Astrologers is accuracy of the prediction.. . !

In this matter, our late Guruji has given appropriate instructions. ..

It is hoped that ALL followers of K.P., familiarise themselves with these instructions, by reading the Krishnamurthi Readers as often as they can...and keep revising whatever they've learnt...constantly ,and keep abreast of new research and findings...

To answer your question... Is it not possible to have a child/children outside of marriage...or without marrying the woman at all ?

It is safer to examine the woman's Birth Chart or Horary chart for a number given by her...in queries related to childbirth to minimise the chances of going wrong...atleast, I follow this...and have been quite successful,so far...

As for people coming to test an astrologer,it is an occupational hazard...as I see it...therefore making it all the more important that the astrologer has learnt his astrology lessons well...and has accumulated enough experience to give him the necessary confidence to "handle" such querants too and ...well... !

With the very best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSunday, 19 October, 2008 1:25:26 PM Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry

Dear all,I would not blame any of the astroloegrshere for not predictinglycorrectly. If a native writes " all processes are over ", then what mustone surmise ? It is understood that only delivery part has to be checkednow.This is the problem on Interntet astrology and Free astrology. When aperson asks me when will I have a chiled, why must I doubt whether hehas married or not. Would i not straight away look for the pointers ofthe 5th house when getting actiavted from the date, he comes to meet me? Os must I look behind to check whether he has married or not ?Keeping this case besides(apart) , I want to comment that there are attimes cases when astrologers come under scrutiny. We have to be carefulof over intelligent natives coming to meet us, who have nothing to giftaway, but wish to check how intelligent the astrologer is.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> In fact you put the issue for learning. It was not to get a predictionbut for a test of the system. Its OK.Our prediction did not hit thetarget. It is just for discussion sake I am writing this. Please do nottake it as I am trying to prove myself as right.> You have written in your message, "Event: Green card. All processesare over. System is such that once final stage arrives,by lot systemgreen cards are issued. Some of his friends have already received and heis also likely to receive very soon.> From Birth data given below,please predict the probable dates ofreceiving green card.I will confirm as soon as it happens."> You have mentioned that all processes are over. So it was understoodthat to have a Green Card was

sure. And the query was when you receiveit. So my concentration was on the date of receipt. And therefore I didnot go into further detail. I predicted that the receipt shall be on 19of September in USA. You have mentioned in your last message that yourson received a querry in after mid-September. So this date and periodagree to each other.> Please check my last mail. I have mentioned, "House III is vacant. Sunlords it. There is no planet in constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong.But Sun occupies VIII house. So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub ofSaturn occupant of Ascendant i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble butit does not hinder." So I have given a hint that there shall be trouble.I would have gone to study the effect of VIII had there been a querrythat whether your son would get a Green Card.> Let me agree I failed to give correct prediction. However myexplanation is as above. Kindly

do not take otherwise.> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath>>>> > biprid biprid @gro ups.com> Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:27:10 PM> Re: Your valuable response to "Green card"querry>>> Respected Dr.Lutherji, Sudhirji and Swamiji,> This is just to give feedback to your replies to my querry for my> son's possibility of getting Green card.All of you were kind enough> to respond and gave your prediction using the birth details given by> me.> Now the outcome is that he has so far not received it.Instead he> received a qerry in after mid september which as such was of trivial> nature and duly complied by the lawyer.> Now the sysytem in USA is such that Quota

for the year ends at> September end.New quota starts from Octobe'08.Due to mismanagement at> the cocerned office,inthe last part of last year quota they finally> adopted lot system in the last stage of Greencard process.The result> was that some who applied later got it and some who applied earlier> were left out.My son was unlucky and some of his friends althogh came> later got it.This is just to give you the actual picture.> Now my question is : when he will get the green card ? will there be> further delay due to one reason or other ?> All stages of the process are over and he is due to get in new quota> begining oct.'08. I request your valuable opinion,Sirs.> Biprid.> ------------ --------- --------- ---->> In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Son of Biprid> > 24 Feb.1977,15h15m,

72e34,23n2( geographic)> >> > Ruling planets: - 7-31 PM; 6th September 2008.; 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> > Asce. Sign Lord = Jupiter> > Asc. Star Lord = Mercury> > Moon sign Lord = Mars> > Moon star lord = Saturn> > Day lord = Saturn> >> > Jupiter is retrograde.> > None is in JupiterÂ¢s constellation.> > So the effective ruling planets are Saturn, Mercury and Mars.> >> > Ven 24:28:28> > X 20:41:33 Keth 3:38:52> > Moon 23:48:15> > XI 24:33:30 Jup 0:24:26> >> >> > XII 27:23:03> >> >> > Asc 27:41:25> >> > IX 19:11:51> > Sun 12:19:12 <Sat 18:21:51> >> > II 21:53:16> > Mer 26:47:21> > VIII 21:53:16> > Mar 18:11:05> >> > III 19:11:51> > VII

27:41:25> > VI 27:23:03> > V 24:33:30> >> > Rahu 3:38:52> >> > IV 20:41:33> >> > Since it has to come through shortly I did not go through DBAS.> > House III is vacant. Sun lords it. There is no planet in> constellation of Sun. So Sun is strong. But Sun occupies VIII house.> So there is trouble. Sun occupies sub of Saturn occupant of Ascendant> i.e. 11th to III. So sun gives trouble but it does not hinder.> > III sub lord is Rahu. It is occupies sign of Venus and Venus> aspects So Rahu is strong. Rahu signifies V and XII and X. VI and> XI. Since Rahu signifies XII( settling in foreign land by achieving> Green Card), it does have significance. So when Rahu represents Venus> as lord of XII can give the result.> > If we consider Sun Venus and Rahu, there are only 3 points in the>

zodiac.> > 1. Leo-Uttaraphalguni in Rahu Sub> > 2. Libra-Swati- Sun sub.> > 3. Taurus-Kritika- Rahu sub.> > Since the issue has to happen in few days the transit of Moon has> to be examined.> > Today Moon transits in Scorpio.> > On 20th September 2008 Moon transits in Taurus in constellation of> Kritika. The day shall be Saturday. Saturn has come as a strong> ruling planet being the star lord of Moon as well as the day lord on> judgment.> >> > Your son is in USA, I suppose. I do not know in which time zone he> resides. In average the time of USA is back by about 12 Hr.(Range of> 10.5 to 13.5 hours)> > Moon enters Kritika at around 11 AM. On 19th September in USA..> Since it fall in day time one can expect fructification.> >> >> > Dr. Luther> >> >> >>

> > > biprid biprid@> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:39:46 PM> > Your valuable response to "Green card"querry> >> >> > Ref:green card> > Respected Swamiji,Sudhirji and Dr.Luther,> > So nice of you to spare valuable time and predicting the outcome of> > event.> > I will keep you posted with the outcome.> > Swamiji's detailed analysis is really a good learning exercise.I> > request Sudhirji and Dr.luther to give their analysis and logic.It> will> > certainly enhance> > understanding of KP principles and art of its application.> > Biprid> >>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > Tired of spam? Mail

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