Horary Cuspal Sublord in the Sub of Retrograde Planet

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Dear Friends,

Regarding the saying that neither KSK or Chandrakant Bhatt talked about the negative result in horary, if Sub lord of the sub lord of the cusp under consideration is retrograde (Msg#19008/19031), please see the references given below.

Regards,

tw

 

1. KP Reader VI, page 254

"If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the 7th cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6 or 12 and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will be the mind to separate, but it will not materialize."

 

2. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1, 1981 (Gujarati book) page 56, Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

"In horary the sublord of relevant bhava gives the result but sometimes we have found the cuspal sublord or it's starlod or it's sublord is the retrograde planet and the result not given. However, if the bhava sublord is the strong significator of the relevant bhava, the result is not denied but delayed."

(i.e. it is to judge the retro planet as per the chart under consideration and no fixed rule cannot be applied. If the cuspal sublord is the strong significator of the concerned bhava, then the retrograde effect is removed, otherwise it is to consider this effect; Kanak Bosmia)

3. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1 & 2, 1981 (Gujarati book), Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

1) Example-1, page 185, Horary no. 5, Will pass the MBBS final exam?, 13 Apr 1971, 18-12 IST, 23N2, 72E35, Ayanamsa 23:21

4 CSL Me is Retro.

9 CSL Ma is in the sub of Retro Me.

11 CSL Ke is in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

The prediction of negative result came correct.

(It is worthy to note Shri Bhatt's saying "Temporarily will not get success; Kanak Bosmia)

 

2) Example-2, page 279, Horary no. 125, Will get a job?, 5 Oct 1975, 16-24 IST, 19N0, 83E45, Ayanamsa 23-24

6 CSL Ju is Retro, in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

11 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

Ju strongly signifies 12.

The prediction of negative result came true.

 

3) Example-3, page 319/320, Horary no. 56, Will go abroad?, 17 May 1970, 8-30 IST, 23N2, 72E35,

Ayanamsa 23-20

12 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

11 CSL Ve is in the sub of Retro Me.

Ju & Me strongly signify 12, 11.

Me was going to Direct soon on 22 May 1970.

The prediction of positive result came correct.

When the native went abroad, Ju was still in Retro.

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sir,> If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde planet the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking another horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't remember if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a cusp concerned with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet.This is about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the result will be negative if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet. Rather it is said retrograde planets are stronger.> Comments from seniors are invited.> With regards.> > Dr. Luther> > > > tw853 tw853 > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM> Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned house,> if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub of> retrograde planet.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear sir,> > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to examine the> XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to fruition> but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the> point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is> retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed further.> If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine other> points mentioned by you.> > With regards.> > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM> > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > Dear Antariksh Ji,> > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under:> > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its cuspal > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.> > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal sub-> > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.> > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be retrograde > > itself at the time of judgement.> > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse should > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement.> > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses > > pertaining to the question.> > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules (3) > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for the > > querent. Results will not fructify.> > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to situations.> > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light..> > > > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH *** > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear L Y Rao,> > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last mail. > > Please explain it clearly. > > > > > > Please> > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous mail, I> > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru KP > > Horary> > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to> > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify my> > > prediction if it was wrong. > > > > > > I don't know if that's something> > > "re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again". If so I > > really> > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL KP > > lovers> > > to understand the subject better?> > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,> > > ANTARIKSH> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...>> > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > > > > Dear Antariksh,> > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV > > Raman and his "more-loyal- than-the- king" followers had waged a WAR > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago...> > > It seems to me that you are interested in > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF so, this > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble > > opinion...> > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior technique of > > K.P. !> > > L.Yogesh Rao.> > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT SIGNIFIES 6TH > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH.> > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA> > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR> > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ > > > wrote:> > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ >> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji,> > > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of September. At > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go thru Mars > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who occupies 5 > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in sub > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't signify > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during its > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt.> > > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in sub of > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to change > > his job. What's your opinion on this?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,> > > ANTARIKSH> > > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can say > > with certainty what will definitely happen?" - B. V. Raman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > Dear Antariksh > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to give > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide. > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com> > > wrote:> > > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>> > > Horary >> Timing an event> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event using > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators of the > > concerned houses. > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the concerned > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the event?> > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling planets. > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-5 RPs > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period?> > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a planet > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's not an > > RP?> > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord of > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its sub lord > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be considered as > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start checking > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers.> > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be fulfilled] > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd delay (in > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP]> > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong. > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your > > valuable comments on this!> > > Query: "Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If yes, > > then when?"> > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249)> > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic) > > > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars. > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas – > > > A. 6 > > > B. 6 > > > C.. 5 > > > D. 1, 8 > > > So matter is confirmed. > > > > > > Time of Event: > > > > > > Significators of 3rd house: > > > A. x > > > B. x > > > C. Ketu > > > D. Mercury > > > > > > Significators of 5th house: > > > A. x > > > B. Sun, Saturn > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars > > > D. Moon > > > > > > Significators of 9th house: > > > A. x > > > B. Jupiter[R] > > > C. x > > > D. Jupiter[R] > > > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Moon, > > Jupiter [R] > > > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:- > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R] > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars > > > Moon Star lord: Mars > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus > > > Day lord: Mercury > > > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn > > > Ketu represents: Moon > > > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R] > > > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd come > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator. > > > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized in > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara. > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th. > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th. > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th. > > > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in 6th - > > none of 3, 5 or 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Antariksh > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> > >> >>

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Dear members,

 

According to Shri. Gondhalekar ji also the rule of retrogression does

not apply in case of horary predictions.

 

Refer page 54 of 4 step Book : " Although Shri KSK has advised the rule

of retrogression, for horary predictions, this is experienced that this

does not apply. However for transits, we find that this fact of

retrogression has to be considered "

 

On page 75 he further says... " Here the 10th sub-lord Venus is in the

star of Saturn, who is retrograde, (the retro rule does not apply) "

 

Regards

 

Subhash Ektare

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Regarding the saying that neither KSK or Chandrakant Bhatt talked

about

> the negative result in horary, if Sub lord of the sub lord of the cusp

> under consideration is retrograde (Msg#19008/19031), please see the

> references given below.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> 1. KP Reader VI, page 254

>

> " If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the 7th

> cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6 or 12

> and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will be the

> mind to separate, but it will not materialize. "

>

>

>

> 2. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1, 1981 (Gujarati book) page 56,

> Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

>

> " In horary the sublord of relevant bhava gives the result but

sometimes

> we have found the cuspal sublord or it's starlod or it's sublord is

the

> retrograde planet and the result not given. However, if the bhava

> sublord is the strong significator of the relevant bhava, the result

is

> not denied but delayed. "

>

> (i.e. it is to judge the retro planet as per the chart under

> consideration and no fixed rule cannot be applied. If the cuspal

sublord

> is the strong significator of the concerned bhava, then the retrograde

> effect is removed, otherwise it is to consider this effect; Kanak

> Bosmia)

>

> 3. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1 & 2, 1981 (Gujarati book),

> Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

>

> 1) Example-1, page 185, Horary no. 5, Will pass the MBBS final exam?,

13

> Apr 1971, 18-12 IST, 23N2, 72E35, Ayanamsa 23:21

>

> 4 CSL Me is Retro.

>

> 9 CSL Ma is in the sub of Retro Me.

>

> 11 CSL Ke is in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

>

> The prediction of negative result came correct.

>

> (It is worthy to note Shri Bhatt's saying " Temporarily will not get

> success; Kanak Bosmia)

>

>

>

> 2) Example-2, page 279, Horary no. 125, Will get a job?, 5 Oct 1975,

> 16-24 IST, 19N0, 83E45, Ayanamsa 23-24

>

> 6 CSL Ju is Retro, in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

>

> 11 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

>

> Ju strongly signifies 12.

>

> The prediction of negative result came true.

>

>

>

> 3) Example-3, page 319/320, Horary no. 56, Will go abroad?, 17 May

1970,

> 8-30 IST, 23N2, 72E35,

>

> Ayanamsa 23-20

>

> 12 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

>

> 11 CSL Ve is in the sub of Retro Me.

>

> Ju & Me strongly signify 12, 11.

>

> Me was going to Direct soon on 22 May 1970.

>

> The prediction of positive result came correct.

>

> When the native went abroad, Ju was still in Retro.

>

, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde planet

> the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking another

> horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't remember

> if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a cusp

concerned

> with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet.This is

> about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the result will be

negative

> if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a constellation of a retrograde

> planet. Rather it is said retrograde planets are stronger.

> > Comments from seniors are invited.

> > With regards.

> >

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> >

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> >

> > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM

> > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> >

> >

> > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned

house,

> > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub of

> > retrograde planet.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to examine

the

> > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to

fruition

> > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the

> > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is

> > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed

further.

> > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine other

> > points mentioned by you.

> > > With regards.

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM

> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Antariksh Ji,

> > >

> > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under:

> > >

> > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its cuspal

> > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal sub-

> > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > >

> > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be retrograde

> > > itself at the time of judgement.

> > >

> > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse should

> > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement.

> > >

> > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses

> > > pertaining to the question.

> > >

> > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY

> > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules (3)

> > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for the

> > > querent. Results will not fructify.

> > >

> > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to

situations.

> > >

> > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light..

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH ***

> > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear L Y Rao,

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last mail.

> > > Please explain it clearly.

> > > >

> > > > Please

> > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous mail,

I

> > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru KP

> > > Horary

> > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro

> > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to

> > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify my

> > > > prediction if it was wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know if that's something

> > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " . If so

I

> > > really

> > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL KP

> > > lovers

> > > > to understand the subject better?

> > > >

> > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...>

> > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Antariksh,

> > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV

> > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had waged a

WAR

> > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago...

> > > > It seems to me that you are interested in

> > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF so,

this

> > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble

> > > opinion...

> > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's

> > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior technique

of

> > > K.P. !

> > > > L.Yogesh Rao.

> > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT SIGNIFIES

6TH

> > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH.

> > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA

> > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ >

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of September.

At

> > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go thru

Mars

> > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who occupies 5

> > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in sub

> > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't signify

> > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during its

> > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt.

> > > >

> > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in sub

of

> > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to change

> > > his job. What's your opinion on this?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > >

> > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will

> > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can

say

> > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > Dear Antariksh

> > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to

give

> > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if

> > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>

> > > > Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event

using

> > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the

> > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the

> > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators of

the

> > > concerned houses.

> > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the

concerned

> > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the

> event?

> > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling

planets.

> > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-5

RPs

> > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period?

> > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a planet

> > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of

> > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's not

an

> > > RP?

> > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord of

> > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its sub

lord

> > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be considered

as

> > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start

checking

> > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers.

> > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving

> > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be fulfilled]

> > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd delay

(in

> > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP]

> > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

> > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your

> > > valuable comments on this!

> > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If yes,

> > > then when? "

> > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249)

> > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST

> > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic)

> > > >

> > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun

> > > >

> > > > Analysis:

> > > >

> > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars.

> > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas –

> > > > A. 6

> > > > B. 6

> > > > C.. 5

> > > > D. 1, 8

> > > > So matter is confirmed.

> > > >

> > > > Time of Event:

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 3rd house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. x

> > > > C. Ketu

> > > > D. Mercury

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 5th house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. Sun, Saturn

> > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars

> > > > D. Moon

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 9th house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. Jupiter[R]

> > > > C. x

> > > > D. Jupiter[R]

> > > >

> > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Moon,

> > > Jupiter [R]

> > > >

> > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:-

> > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R]

> > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu

> > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars

> > > > Moon Star lord: Mars

> > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus

> > > > Day lord: Mercury

> > > >

> > > > Rahu represents: Saturn

> > > > Ketu represents: Moon

> > > >

> > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R]

> > > >

> > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd

come

> > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator.

> > > >

> > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized in

> > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara.

> > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th.

> > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th.

> > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > >

> > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in 6th

-

> > > none of 3, 5 or 9.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Antariksh

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

 

That experience is based on the self-declared rarely application of

horary. Pl show us any evidence, at least two or three practical case

(s) for practical study, only basic data as shown in the 3 Bhatt's

horary examples.

 

Besides in 4 step, retrogression is applied in checking transit's

agreement with DBA.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare

wrote:

>

>

> Dear members,

>

> According to Shri. Gondhalekar ji also the rule of retrogression

does

> not apply in case of horary predictions.

>

> Refer page 54 of 4 step Book : " Although Shri KSK has advised the

rule

> of retrogression, for horary predictions, this is experienced that

this

> does not apply. However for transits, we find that this fact of

> retrogression has to be considered "

>

> On page 75 he further says... " Here the 10th sub-lord Venus is in the

> star of Saturn, who is retrograde, (the retro rule does not apply) "

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Regarding the saying that neither KSK or Chandrakant Bhatt talked

> about

> > the negative result in horary, if Sub lord of the sub lord of the

cusp

> > under consideration is retrograde (Msg#19008/19031), please see

the

> > references given below.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. KP Reader VI, page 254

> >

> > " If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the

7th

> > cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6

or 12

> > and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will

be the

> > mind to separate, but it will not materialize. "

> >

> >

> >

> > 2. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1, 1981 (Gujarati book)

page 56,

> > Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

> >

> > " In horary the sublord of relevant bhava gives the result but

> sometimes

> > we have found the cuspal sublord or it's starlod or it's sublord

is

> the

> > retrograde planet and the result not given. However, if the bhava

> > sublord is the strong significator of the relevant bhava, the

result

> is

> > not denied but delayed. "

> >

> > (i.e. it is to judge the retro planet as per the chart under

> > consideration and no fixed rule cannot be applied. If the cuspal

> sublord

> > is the strong significator of the concerned bhava, then the

retrograde

> > effect is removed, otherwise it is to consider this effect; Kanak

> > Bosmia)

> >

> > 3. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1 & 2, 1981 (Gujarati book),

> > Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

> >

> > 1) Example-1, page 185, Horary no. 5, Will pass the MBBS final

exam?,

> 13

> > Apr 1971, 18-12 IST, 23N2, 72E35, Ayanamsa 23:21

> >

> > 4 CSL Me is Retro.

> >

> > 9 CSL Ma is in the sub of Retro Me.

> >

> > 11 CSL Ke is in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

> >

> > The prediction of negative result came correct.

> >

> > (It is worthy to note Shri Bhatt's saying " Temporarily will not

get

> > success; Kanak Bosmia)

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) Example-2, page 279, Horary no. 125, Will get a job?, 5 Oct

1975,

> > 16-24 IST, 19N0, 83E45, Ayanamsa 23-24

> >

> > 6 CSL Ju is Retro, in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

> >

> > 11 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

> >

> > Ju strongly signifies 12.

> >

> > The prediction of negative result came true.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) Example-3, page 319/320, Horary no. 56, Will go abroad?, 17 May

> 1970,

> > 8-30 IST, 23N2, 72E35,

> >

> > Ayanamsa 23-20

> >

> > 12 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

> >

> > 11 CSL Ve is in the sub of Retro Me.

> >

> > Ju & Me strongly signify 12, 11.

> >

> > Me was going to Direct soon on 22 May 1970.

> >

> > The prediction of positive result came correct.

> >

> > When the native went abroad, Ju was still in Retro.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde

planet

> > the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking

another

> > horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't

remember

> > if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a cusp

> concerned

> > with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet.This

is

> > about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the result will be

> negative

> > if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a constellation of a

retrograde

> > planet. Rather it is said retrograde planets are stronger.

> > > Comments from seniors are invited.

> > > With regards.

> > >

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853@

> > >

> > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM

> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > >

> > >

> > > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned

> house,

> > > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub

of

> > > retrograde planet.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath

<rathluther@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to

examine

> the

> > > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to

> fruition

> > > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches

the

> > > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is

> > > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed

> further.

> > > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine

other

> > > points mentioned by you.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > Dr. Luther

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Antariksh Ji,

> > > >

> > > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under:

> > > >

> > > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its

cuspal

> > > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal

sub-

> > > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > > >

> > > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be

retrograde

> > > > itself at the time of judgement.

> > > >

> > > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse

should

> > > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement.

> > > >

> > > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses

> > > > pertaining to the question.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY

> > > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the

rules (3)

> > > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result

for the

> > > > querent. Results will not fructify.

> > > >

> > > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to

> situations.

> > > >

> > > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light..

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH ***

> > > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear L Y Rao,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last

mail.

> > > > Please explain it clearly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please

> > > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous

mail,

> I

> > > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting

thru KP

> > > > Horary

> > > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro

> > > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to

> > > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and

rectify my

> > > > > prediction if it was wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know if that's something

> > > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " .

If so

> I

> > > > really

> > > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping

ALL KP

> > > > lovers

> > > > > to understand the subject better?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...>

> > > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Antariksh,

> > > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV

> > > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had

waged a

> WAR

> > > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago...

> > > > > It seems to me that you are interested in

> > > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF

so,

> this

> > > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble

> > > > opinion...

> > > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's

> > > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior

technique

> of

> > > > K.P. !

> > > > > L.Yogesh Rao.

> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM

> > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT

SIGNIFIES

> 6TH

> > > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH.

> > > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA

> > > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@

>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ >

> > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of

September.

> At

> > > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go

thru

> Mars

> > > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who

occupies 5

> > > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and

in sub

> > > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't

signify

> > > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during

its

> > > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in

sub

> of

> > > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to

change

> > > > his job. What's your opinion on this?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > > >

> > > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what

will

> > > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma,

can

> say

> > > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM

> > > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > > Dear Antariksh

> > > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to

> give

> > > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if

> > > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@

..com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>

> > > > > Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event

> using

> > > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or

the

> > > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the

> > > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators

of

> the

> > > > concerned houses.

> > > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the

> concerned

> > > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the

> > event?

> > > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling

> planets.

> > > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find

4-5

> RPs

> > > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period?

> > > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a

planet

> > > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator

of

> > > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's

not

> an

> > > > RP?

> > > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub

lord of

> > > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its

sub

> lord

> > > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be

considered

> as

> > > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start

> checking

> > > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers.

> > > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast

moving

> > > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be

fulfilled]

> > > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd

delay

> (in

> > > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP]

> > > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

> > > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your

> > > > valuable comments on this!

> > > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If

yes,

> > > > then when? "

> > > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249)

> > > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST

> > > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic)

> > > > >

> > > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun

> > > > >

> > > > > Analysis:

> > > > >

> > > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars.

> > > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas –

> > > > > A. 6

> > > > > B. 6

> > > > > C.. 5

> > > > > D. 1, 8

> > > > > So matter is confirmed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Time of Event:

> > > > >

> > > > > Significators of 3rd house:

> > > > > A. x

> > > > > B. x

> > > > > C. Ketu

> > > > > D. Mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > Significators of 5th house:

> > > > > A. x

> > > > > B. Sun, Saturn

> > > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars

> > > > > D. Moon

> > > > >

> > > > > Significators of 9th house:

> > > > > A. x

> > > > > B. Jupiter[R]

> > > > > C. x

> > > > > D. Jupiter[R]

> > > > >

> > > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars,

Moon,

> > > > Jupiter [R]

> > > > >

> > > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:-

> > > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R]

> > > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu

> > > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars

> > > > > Moon Star lord: Mars

> > > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus

> > > > > Day lord: Mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu represents: Saturn

> > > > > Ketu represents: Moon

> > > > >

> > > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R]

> > > > >

> > > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd

> come

> > > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator.

> > > > >

> > > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized

in

> > > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara.

> > > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th.

> > > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th.

> > > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and

in 6th

> -

> > > > none of 3, 5 or 9.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Antariksh

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends,

pl.refer Horary Astrolgy,6th reader page no 146,

heading " Retrograde-Horary Chart "

herein 3rd paragraph KSK has written

" But the planets in retrograde if deposited in the

constellation of another retrograde planet or in its own when

retrograde,promises only failure.Never success "

further he adds " If a planet is the significator of 2 or 7

or 11 and it is deposited in the constellation of a retrograde

planet whether it is in direct motion or retrograde, that planet

cannot give marriage in its period or sub-period.His vote is invalid

in the election "

then what is truth?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Regarding the saying that neither KSK or Chandrakant Bhatt talked

about

> the negative result in horary, if Sub lord of the sub lord of the

cusp

> under consideration is retrograde (Msg#19008/19031), please see

the

> references given below.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> 1. KP Reader VI, page 254

>

> " If you would have mentioned a number so that the sublord of the

7th

> cusp is deposited in the constellation of a planet or node in 6 or

12

> and in the sub of Jupiter (which is retrograde) then there will be

the

> mind to separate, but it will not materialize. "

>

>

>

> 2. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1, 1981 (Gujarati book) page

56,

> Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

>

> " In horary the sublord of relevant bhava gives the result but

sometimes

> we have found the cuspal sublord or it's starlod or it's sublord

is the

> retrograde planet and the result not given. However, if the bhava

> sublord is the strong significator of the relevant bhava, the

result is

> not denied but delayed. "

>

> (i.e. it is to judge the retro planet as per the chart under

> consideration and no fixed rule cannot be applied. If the cuspal

sublord

> is the strong significator of the concerned bhava, then the

retrograde

> effect is removed, otherwise it is to consider this effect; Kanak

> Bosmia)

>

> 3. C. R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish, Part 1 & 2, 1981 (Gujarati book),

> Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia

>

> 1) Example-1, page 185, Horary no. 5, Will pass the MBBS final

exam?, 13

> Apr 1971, 18-12 IST, 23N2, 72E35, Ayanamsa 23:21

>

> 4 CSL Me is Retro.

>

> 9 CSL Ma is in the sub of Retro Me.

>

> 11 CSL Ke is in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

>

> The prediction of negative result came correct.

>

> (It is worthy to note Shri Bhatt's saying " Temporarily will not get

> success; Kanak Bosmia)

>

>

>

> 2) Example-2, page 279, Horary no. 125, Will get a job?, 5 Oct

1975,

> 16-24 IST, 19N0, 83E45, Ayanamsa 23-24

>

> 6 CSL Ju is Retro, in the star of Retro Me and sub of Retro Ju.

>

> 11 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

>

> Ju strongly signifies 12.

>

> The prediction of negative result came true.

>

>

>

> 3) Example-3, page 319/320, Horary no. 56, Will go abroad?, 17 May

1970,

> 8-30 IST, 23N2, 72E35,

>

> Ayanamsa 23-20

>

> 12 CSL Me is Retro, in the sub of Retro Ju.

>

> 11 CSL Ve is in the sub of Retro Me.

>

> Ju & Me strongly signify 12, 11.

>

> Me was going to Direct soon on 22 May 1970.

>

> The prediction of positive result came correct.

>

> When the native went abroad, Ju was still in Retro.

>

, Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > If the sub-lord of XI is in the constellation of a retrograde

planet

> the mater will not come through. One need not go ahead. Taking

another

> horary number for review leads to invalid prediction. I don't

remember

> if I have ever read about the effect if the sub-lord of a cusp

concerned

> with a mater occupies a constellation of a retrograde planet.This

is

> about horary chart. It is not mendatory that the result will be

negative

> if the sub-lord of a houce occupies a constellation of a retrograde

> planet. Rather it is said retrograde planets are stronger.

> > Comments from seniors are invited.

> > With regards.

> >

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> >

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> >

> > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:52:06 PM

> > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> >

> >

> > It's more interesting what will be the result of the concerned

house,

> > if the sublord of the concerned cusp or 11th cusp is in the sub

of

> > retrograde planet.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > > As far as I remember, in horary, first of all we have to

examine the

> > XI cusp. XI cusp sub-lord if retrograde,the mater may come to

fruition

> > but only after the sub-lord takes a direct course and reaches the

> > point from where it began retrograde motion. If its star-lord is

> > retrograde then the result is negative. One need not proceed

further.

> > If the star lord is in direct motion then one has to examine

other

> > points mentioned by you.

> > > With regards.

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan <subragops3@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, September 8, 2008 1:05:41 AM

> > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Antariksh Ji,

> > >

> > > The KP Horary Rules are stated as under:

> > >

> > > 1) For every query, find out the MOST IMPORTANT house, its

cuspal

> > > sub-lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Find out the houses RELATED to this main house, its cuspal

sub-

> > > lord and the star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord.

> > >

> > > 3) The Cuspal sub-lord of the main house should NOT be

retrograde

> > > itself at the time of judgement.

> > >

> > > 4) The star-lord of the cuspal sub-lord of the main shouse

should

> > > NOT be retrograde at the time of judgement.

> > >

> > > 5) The main house sub-lord should be related with other houses

> > > pertaining to the question.

> > >

> > > 6) Finally, rules (3), (4) and (5) should be SIMULTANEOUSLY

> > > satisfied to denote a positive answer. If any one of the rules

(3)

> > > or (4) or (5) is not satisfied, it shows a negative result for

the

> > > querent. Results will not fructify.

> > >

> > > These are the horary rules I have learnt and applying to

situations.

> > >

> > > Hope the Senior Members will add more light..

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, *** ANTARIKSH ***

> > > <antariksh_80@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear L Y Rao,

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand what you meant in your last

mail.

> > > Please explain it clearly.

> > > >

> > > > Please

> > > > note that I'm a follower of KP principles. In my previous

mail, I

> > > > talked about some of my doubts I faced while predicting thru

KP

> > > Horary

> > > > [using principles mentioned in Nakshtra Chintamani and Astro

> > > Secrets & KP] and humbly requested all KP stalwarts to

> > > > help me understanding the KP Horary rules better and rectify

my

> > > > prediction if it was wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know if that's something

> > > > " re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again " . If

so I

> > > really

> > > > apologize. Really this is not the site meant for helping ALL

KP

> > > lovers

> > > > to understand the subject better?

> > > >

> > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Cc: ANTARIKSH <antariksh_80@ ...>

> > > > Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:03:18 AM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Antariksh,

> > > > I wonder if you know about how bitterly BV

> > > Raman and his " more-loyal- than-the- king " followers had waged

a WAR

> > > against KSK and lost miserably... not very long ago...

> > > > It seems to me that you are interested in

> > > re-kindling a well-settled controversy, all over again...IF

so, this

> > > is a K.P. site...please note...not meant for you,in my humble

> > > opinion...

> > > > Kindly desist from comparing Raman's

> > > version of Traditional Astrology with the far superior

technique of

> > > K.P. !

> > > > L.Yogesh Rao.

> > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008 10:07:52 PM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > BEFORE 31ST OCTOBER CHANGE OF WILL TAKE PLACE AS IT

SIGNIFIES 6TH

> > > mARS OCCUPIED AND SUN TOO SIGNIFIES 6TH.

> > > > sAHHASRA sAAGARA

> > > > NOTE; DHANISHTA MAY BE THE FRUIYFUL STAR

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 6/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@

>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ >

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter will get direct motion in the second week of

September. At

> > > that time [till 31-oct-08], native (as per horary) will go

thru Mars

> > > dasha [significator of 6,5,1,8 and in sub of Saturn who

occupies 5

> > > and owns 11,12] and Sun bhukti [significator of 6,5,2,7 and in

sub

> > > of Mars who occupies 6 and owns 1,8]. Now as Sun doesn't

signify

> > > 3,5,9 thru its sub, will it give the results of 3,5,9 during

its

> > > bhukti period? Please clarify my doubt.

> > > >

> > > > I feel next bhukti of Moon [significator of 6,1,8,5 and in

sub of

> > > Sun who occupies 5 and owns 6], would be more convenient to

change

> > > his job. What's your opinion on this?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards & Best Wishes,

> > > > ANTARIKSH

> > > >

> > > > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what

will

> > > take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma,

can say

> > > with certainty what will definitely happen? " - B. V. Raman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:44:45 AM

> > > > Re: Horary >> Timing an event

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > Dear Antariksh

> > > > jupiter signifying 9th and in the sub of Rahu in 10th has to

give

> > > better change of job on or after Jupiter gets direct motion if

> > > 6,2,10,11 dasha,b,a,sookshma period coincide.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@

..com>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80@ ..com>

> > > > Horary >> Timing an event

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, 5 September, 2008, 2:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > I'm having some confusion while predicting time of an event

using

> > > horary. If the cuspal sub-lord signifies the primary and/or the

> > > secondary houses related to the matter asked, it said that the

> > > matter will fructify in the joint period of the significators

of the

> > > concerned houses.

> > > > Now in case there are more than 6 significators for the

concerned

> > > houses, then how would one determine the correct period of the

> event?

> > > > One method is to eliminate the significators using Ruling

planets.

> > > That's fine as long as there are 3 RPs. But in cases we find 4-

5 RPs

> > > inluding two nodes, how would someone judge the joint period?

> > > > Here I've a question if Rahu/Ketu acts as an agent for a

planet

> > > which is not among the ruling planets, but is a significator of

> > > concerned matter - can we still eliminate that planet as it's

not an

> > > RP?

> > > > I've heard about another method of looking into the sub lord

of

> > > each of the significators, if both the significator and its

sub lord

> > > signify the concerned house(s), then only it would be

considered as

> > > one of the joint period rulers (D/B/A/S). We need to start

checking

> > > from the Time Of Judgement period rulers.

> > > > It's also said that if cusp sub lord of 11th is a fast moving

> > > plant, matter will fructify [querent's desire will be

fulfilled]

> > > within near future (in hours/days/month) , otherwise it'd

delay (in

> > > days/months/ years) [Astrosecrets & KP]

> > > > Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

> > > > Here is an example I was working on. I cordially invite your

> > > valuable comments on this!

> > > > Query: " Will I be able to change my job to a better one? If

yes,

> > > then when? "

> > > > Horary No.: 7 (1 to 249)

> > > > TOJ: September 03, 2008, 11:52:57PM IST

> > > > POJ: 88:24:32 E / 22:36:39 N (Geographic)

> > > >

> > > > Joint period rulers at the TOJ:- Mars-Sun-Saturn- Sun

> > > >

> > > > Analysis:

> > > >

> > > > Cuspal sub lord of 10th: Mars.

> > > > Cuspal sub lord signifies following bhavas –

> > > > A. 6

> > > > B. 6

> > > > C.. 5

> > > > D. 1, 8

> > > > So matter is confirmed.

> > > >

> > > > Time of Event:

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 3rd house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. x

> > > > C. Ketu

> > > > D. Mercury

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 5th house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. Sun, Saturn

> > > > C. Mercury, Venus, Mars

> > > > D. Moon

> > > >

> > > > Significators of 9th house:

> > > > A. x

> > > > B. Jupiter[R]

> > > > C. x

> > > > D. Jupiter[R]

> > > >

> > > > Significators: Ketu, Merecury, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mars,

Moon,

> > > Jupiter [R]

> > > >

> > > > Ruling planets at the TOJ:-

> > > > Asc. Sub lord: Jupiter[R]

> > > > Asc. Star lord: Ketu

> > > > Asc. Sign lord: Mars

> > > > Moon Star lord: Mars

> > > > Moon Sign lord: Venus

> > > > Day lord: Mercury

> > > >

> > > > Rahu represents: Saturn

> > > > Ketu represents: Moon

> > > >

> > > > Ruling planets: Ketu, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter[R]

> > > >

> > > > Keeping Jupiter here as after second week of september, it'd

come

> > > in direct motion, so it'd be a fruitful significator.

> > > >

> > > > As Moon is represented by Ketu, matter will be materialized

in

> > > Mars dasa, Moon bhukti, Jupiter anthara.

> > > > Mars in sub of Saturn, owns 11th, 12th and in 5th.

> > > > Moon in sub of Sun, owns 6th and in 5th.

> > > > Mercury in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > > Jupiter in sub of Rahu, in 10th.

> > > >

> > > > Discarding Sun as Sun in sub of Mars owns 1st and 8th and in

6th -

> > > none of 3, 5 or 9.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Antariksh

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