Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

September 4, 2008

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942 Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique@gro ups.comThursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)....... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4...... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

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September 4, 2008

Dear Luther ji,

Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient.

Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

ï»¿

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

" Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique "

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the " conclusions " drawn from this " exercise " .. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.com

Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008

> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.>

> This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails

> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)....... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4...... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

September 5, 2008

Dear Pandeyji,

According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.

X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built. Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.

Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5 states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has vey high ambitions.

I hope this will suffice.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

Punit Pandey <punitpSent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther ji,

Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient.

Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

ï»¿

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)........ 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4....... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

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September 5, 2008

Dear Luther,

There are some errors in submissions, which I realised to day on cross checking with a different software. Principle remains same.Thank you for info.

I shall revert soon.

Regards,

Satish--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:12 PM

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comThursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique@gro ups.comThursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)....... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4...... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

September 5, 2008

Dear Luther,

I have an unusual problem, my laptop,got a fresh virus, resulting in erratic details, not consistent data in same SW,after a visit once.Hence I a not sure.

It would help if you confirm Lagan for and Moon positions for both the ladies.

My casting of charts reveal.

1.Jul15,1980 Leo lagna 16-38-28 Moon Leo 3-0-23

2. Dec6 ,1971 Pisc do 4-1-23 Moon Cancer 11-31-32.

Both are Ok ,no rectn. requd.

Thanks for other details. BTRs are best avoided when not asked for.The mania of BTR/accuracy, before prognosis,is best left to the individual. I concur with Punit on this issue.

I do not wish to create any controversey,as this is my belief and fro experience.Every one is entitled to their views.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:31 AM

Dear Pandeyji,

According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.

X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built. Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.

Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5 states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has vey high ambitions.

I hope this will suffice.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comThursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther ji,

Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient.

Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

ï»¿

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)........ 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4....... 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

September 5, 2008

Dear Mr.Satish,

Please refer my views under Message No:19304 in this forum.

It is not the point one goes for BTR as and when he wishes or only when it is asked for by the native or concerned querist.

BTR concept / Accuracy is not a mania either.

It is a meaningful derivation and depends upon the astrologer's ability to do it. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942 Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 3:05:47 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

I have an unusual problem, my laptop,got a fresh virus, resulting in erratic details, not consistent data in same SW,after a visit once.Hence I a not sure.

It would help if you confirm Lagan for and Moon positions for both the ladies.

My casting of charts reveal.

1.Jul15,1980 Leo lagna 16-38-28 Moon Leo 3-0-23

2. Dec6 ,1971 Pisc do 4-1-23 Moon Cancer 11-31-32.

Both are Ok ,no rectn. requd.

Thanks for other details. BTRs are best avoided when not asked for.The mania of BTR/accuracy, before prognosis,is best left to the individual. I concur with Punit on this issue.

I do not wish to create any controversey, as this is my belief and fro experience.Every one is entitled to their views.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique@gro ups.comFriday, September 5, 2008, 6:31 AM

Dear Pandeyji,

According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.

X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built. Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.

Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5 states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has vey high ambitions.

I hope this will suffice.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comThursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther ji,

Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient.

Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups..com

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

ï»¿

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant.

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L..Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ ..com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)......... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4........ 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

September 5, 2008

Dear Sir,

For birth time 8-54 AM 0n July 15th 1980-Asc-16-36-43 (Leo); Moon-3-00-34 (Leo). The difference may be acceptable.

For birth time 12-15 PM on December 6th 1971-Asc-26-57-44 (Aquarius); Moon-11-16-18 (Cancer).

Kindly recast the second one. I am now also doubtful if my software was wrong.

Place: - 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942 Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 2:35:47 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

I have an unusual problem, my laptop,got a fresh virus, resulting in erratic details, not consistent data in same SW,after a visit once.Hence I a not sure.

It would help if you confirm Lagan for and Moon positions for both the ladies.

My casting of charts reveal.

1.Jul15,1980 Leo lagna 16-38-28 Moon Leo 3-0-23

2. Dec6 ,1971 Pisc do 4-1-23 Moon Cancer 11-31-32.

Both are Ok ,no rectn. requd.

Thanks for other details. BTRs are best avoided when not asked for.The mania of BTR/accuracy, before prognosis,is best left to the individual. I concur with Punit on this issue.

I do not wish to create any controversey, as this is my belief and fro experience.Every one is entitled to their views.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique@gro ups.comFriday, September 5, 2008, 6:31 AM

Dear Pandeyji,

According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.

X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built. Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.

Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5 states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has vey high ambitions.

I hope this will suffice.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comThursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther ji,

Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient.

Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Dear Satish,

Both of them are females.

Dear Pandeyji,

I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is found astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

May I hint that both of them are already married.

Further queries will be gladly answered.

With regards.

Dr. Luther

Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Luther,

Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.

1. Chart 1 July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

However,to look at the sublord of lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

Ultimately its the event correlation to BT which decides.Is it a female's chart?

2, Chart 2 Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.

Is it a male's chart?

Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others' comments as per their system , to go further.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

@gro ups.com

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

Dear Luther ji,

Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the way you have proposed.

Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there is a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Astro-Experts,

With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.

I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.

The data are as follows: -

Name-X

DOB â€“ 15th July 1980

TOB â€“ 8-54 AM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19

Name Y

DOB â€“ 6th December 1971

TOB â€“ 12-15 PM

POB â€“ 84 E 48; 19 N 19 Those who are interested only they are requested to try. I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. With due regards. Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AMRe: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

ï»¿

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

Perhaps I am ignorant..

"Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique"

Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact. Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

I am not sure.

After all What it is?

any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so called Technique apart fom above Rule?.

[Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What i going to put to test & use in coming days.]

hope to hear , about it .

Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.

Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

-

Yogesh Rao Lajmi

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Subhash,

Allow me to thank you ...

Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I had serious reservations about the "conclusions" drawn from this "exercise".. .

That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

Your analysis should surely prompt more research on this subject...

As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level) is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .

I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

Dear Members,

This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â€“ 30 minutes unless it is a border line case. We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min and -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star.

To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time span the sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â€“ 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion, does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary.. According to me this needs further analysis.

Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> August 23, 2008> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > by multiplying 100/304.> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> CorrectRecords> (Time Used as Given).....2. .... 302> Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> Incorrect (-10 min).... 3.....

301> Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (5 min)......... 4..... 300> Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> Incorrect (30 min)...... 4........ 300> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > 98.602>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

September 6, 2008

KPAstro 3.0

8-54 AM, July 15th 1980,Asc-16-39-26 (Leo); Moon-3-01-16 (Leo); KPA

23-29-42, 7CSL Ve (Ve-Ma-Ma)(84 E 48; 19 N 19)

12-15 PM, December 6th 1971,Asc-24-24-01(Aquarius); Moon-11-16-17

(Cancer); KPA 23-22-30,7CSL Me(Ju-Ke-Mo)(84 E 48; 19 N 19)

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> For birth time 8-54 AM 0n July 15th 1980-Asc-16-36-43 (Leo); Moon-3-

00-34 (Leo). The difference may be acceptable.

> For birth time 12-15 PM on December 6th 1971-Asc-26-57-44

(Aquarius); Moon-11-16-18 (Cancer).

> Kindly recast the second one. I am now also doubtful if my software

was wrong.

> Place: - 84 E 48; 19 N 19.

> Dr. Luther

>

> Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942

>

> Friday, September 5, 2008 2:35:47 AM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> Â Â Â Dear Luther,

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have an unusual problem,

my laptop,got a fresh virus, resulting in erratic details, not

consistent data in same SW,after a visit once.Hence I a not sure.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It would help if you confirm

Lagan forÂ and Moon positions for both the ladies.

>

> Â Â My casting of charts reveal.

>

> Â Â 1.Jul15,1980Â Â Leo lagna 16-38-28Â Â Â Moon Leo 3-0-23

>

> Â Â Â 2. Dec6 ,1971Â Â Pisc doÂ 4-1-23Â Â Â Â Â Â MoonÂ Cancer

11-31-32.

>

> Â Â Â Â BothÂ are Ok ,no rectn. requd.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Thanks for other details. BTRs

are best avoided when not asked for.The mania of BTR/accuracy, before

prognosis,is best left to the individual. I concur with Punit on this

issue.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I do not wish to create any

controversey, as this is my belief and fro experience.Every one is

entitled to their views.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Regards,

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Satish

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

>

> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

>

> Luther Rath <rathluther >

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:31 AM

>

> Dear Pandeyji,

> According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request

you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method

you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.

> X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built.

Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in

job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and

streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.

> Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in

complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA

after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5

states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has

vey high ambitions.

> I hope this will suffice.

> With due regards.

> Dr. Luther

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> @gro ups..com

> Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> Dear Luther ji,

>

> Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose,

I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event.

Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get

the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are

asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the

patient.

>

> Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of

those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll

wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

>

> I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native

is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I

avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if

you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale

but never worked for me and hence my point about RP.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther >

wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

> Both of them are females.

>

> Dear Pandeyji,

> I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided.

It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are

astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for

prediction. If time is foundÂ astrologically incorrect one may

rectify it and then proceed.

> In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the

Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided

at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A

horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not

involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.

> May I hint that both of them are already married.

> Further queries will be gladly answered.

> With regards.

> Dr. Luther

>

> Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >

> @gro ups.com

>

> Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> Â Dear Luther,

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Taking the 2 charts for

verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage

date, my comments are as follows.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â 1. Chart 1Â July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my

calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is

estabilshed ,hence no correction is required.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â However,to look at the sublord

ofÂ lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-

50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ultimately its the event

correlation to BTÂ which decides.Is it a female's chart?

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2,Â Chart 2Â Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence

no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon

sub.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Is it a male's chart?

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Having written thus, I thought we

shall wait for others'Â comments as per their system ,Â to go

further.Â

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Regards,

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Satish

>

> --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

>

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM

>

> Dear Luther ji,

>

> Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree

with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any

practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the

practical application the way you have proposed.

>

> Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is

sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require

some more information like why there isÂ a need for BTR? If the

correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of

inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will

be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush.

>

> As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process,

I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, Â is going to

work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I

think that will be doubly useful.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther >

wrote:

>

> Respected Astro-Experts,

> With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no

use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and

unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of

Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts

with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be

acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of

discard blindly.

> I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time

and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of

marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be

ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary

experimentation.

> The data are as follows: -

> Name-X

> DOB â€ " 15th July 1980

> TOB â€ " 8-54 AM

> POB â€ " 84 E 48; 19 N 19

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Name YÂ Â Â

> DOB â€ " 6th December 1971

> TOB â€ " 12-15 PM

> POB â€ " 84 E 48; 19 N 19

> Those who are interested only they are requested to try.

> I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any

individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR.

> I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task

sportively.

> With due regards.

> Dr. Luther

>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

>

> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> ï»¿

> Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah

> Â Hari Om,

> Dear sir,

> Perhaps I am ignorant.

> " Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique "

> Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of

MoonÂ

> and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord ofÂ Â

Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> Â Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?

> I am not sure.

> After all What it is?

> any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so calledÂ

TechniqueÂ apart fom above Rule?.

> [Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for

fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to

refine What iÂ going to put to test & Â useÂ in coming days.]

> hope to hearÂ Â , about it .

> Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this

thread.

> Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.

> with regards.

> Â OM TATSAT

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> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

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> Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM

> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR

Technique

>

> Dear Subhash,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Allow me to thank you ...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Right from the very day

this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and

A.R.Raichurji. ..I hadÂ serious reservationsÂ about the " conclusions "

drawn fromÂ Â this " exercise " .. .

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â That the Moon's

starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the

Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is

based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification

has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Your

analysisÂ shouldÂ surelyÂ prompt more research on this subject...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â As said

earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level)Â is,in

my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and

more accurate method is discovered.. .

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I am looking forward

to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With best wishes,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â L.Y.Rao.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

>

> Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM

> Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

>

> Dear Members,

> This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.

> Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of +

or â€ " 30 minutes unless it is a border line case.Â We are matching

Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20'

(i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min.

It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This

means when we change the birth time by +30 min andÂ Â Â Â -30 min

(i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of

particular star.

> To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time spanthe sub

lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.

> Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must

match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So

it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min

Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border

line cases beyond + or â€ " 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon

sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion,Â does not give correct

picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5

min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further

analysis.

> Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be

highly appriciated.

> Regards

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique

> > August 23, 2008

> >

> > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of

Moon

> > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of

> > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

> >

> > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the

summary

> > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be

calculated

> > by multiplying 100/304.

> >

> > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails

> > CorrectRecords

> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302

> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297

> > Incorrect (-20 min)..... 4...... 300

> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301

> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (5 min)......... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303

> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299

> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300

> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298

> > Incorrect (30 min)...... 4....... 300

> >

> > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection

ratio:

> > 98.602

> >

>

> ________________________________

> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

>

September 6, 2008

Dear TW and Luther,

Many thanks for kind effort. As can be seen even SWs have a mind of their own. It becomes very necessary to cross check minimum data from alternative sources to be in the comfort zone. No BTR required as per my view.

Regards,

Satish--- On Sat, 9/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 9:13 AM

KPAstro 3.08-54 AM, July 15th 1980,Asc-16- 39-26 (Leo); Moon-3-01-16 (Leo); KPA 23-29-42, 7CSL Ve (Ve-Ma-Ma)(84 E 48; 19 N 19)12-15 PM, December 6th 1971,Asc-24- 24-01(Aquarius) ; Moon-11-16-17(Cancer); KPA 23-22-30,7CSL Me(Ju-Ke-Mo) (84 E 48; 19 N 19)@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> For birth time 8-54 AM 0n July 15th 1980-Asc-16- 36-43 (Leo); Moon-3-00-34 (Leo). The difference may be acceptable.> For birth time 12-15 PM on December 6th 1971-Asc-26- 57-44 (Aquarius); Moon-11-16-18 (Cancer).> Kindly recast the second one. I am now also doubtful if my software was wrong.> Place: - 84 E 48; 19 N 19.> Dr. Luther> > > > > Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@

....>> @gro ups.com> Friday, September 5, 2008 2:35:47 AM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > Â Â Â Dear Luther,> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have an unusual problem, my laptop,got a fresh virus, resulting in erratic details, not consistent data in same SW,after a visit once.Hence I a not sure.> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It would help if you confirm Lagan forÂ and Moon positions for both the ladies.> > Â Â My casting of

charts reveal.> > Â Â 1.Jul15,1980Â Â Leo lagna 16-38-28Â Â Â Moon Leo 3-0-23> > Â Â Â 2. Dec6 ,1971Â Â Pisc doÂ 4-1-23Â Â Â Â Â Â MoonÂ Cancer 11-31-32.> > Â Â Â Â BothÂ are Ok ,no rectn. requd.> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Thanks for other details. BTRs are best avoided when not asked for.The mania of BTR/accuracy, before prognosis,is best left to the individual. I concur with Punit on this issue.> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I do not wish to create any controversey, as this is my

belief and fro experience.Every one is entitled to their views.> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Regards,> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Satish> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther>> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> To:

@gro ups.com> Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:31 AM> > > Dear Pandeyji,> According to me the birth times are correct. But I would request you to please justify the correctness according to what ever method you follow. If you think it is right you may proceed ahead.> X is thin and little short in height. She is of healthy built. Comes from a well to do family.She is a computer engineer and is in job in a company. Her hairs are black and streight.She is smart and streight forwaard. She had very good carreer in education.> Y is little obese and of normal height. She is very fair in complection. She is very sociable. Her hairs are curly. She is an MBA after post-graduation. She is in private job. Now she is chief of 5 states of eastern zone of India. She had two major surgeris.She has vey high ambitions.> I hope this will suffice.> With due

regards.> Dr. Luther> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups..com> Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:10:29 PM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > Dear Luther ji,> > Thanks for clarification. Whatever rectification method we choose, I don't think it makes any sense with verifying the past event. Astrology is a lot feedback driven, and if an astrologer can not get the feedback it is difficult for him to answer. It is like we are asking doctor to diagnose without telling any symptoms or showing the patient. > > Anyways, my question was do you suspect the birth time of any of those chart? If yes, are you aware of the possible time range. I'll wait for your answer and will try to post my predictions.

> > I don't know what is your experience with RP, but when the native is not involved, I didn't have good success in using RPs and so I avoid using that. In case you have any success, I would appreciate if you can share the same. What you are saying about RP looks rationale but never worked for me and hence my point about RP. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Dear Satish,> Both of them are females.> > Dear Pandeyji,> I have not requested for BTR. The data I have have been provided. It is up to the astrologers to find out if the birth times are astrologically correct. If time is correct one may proceed for prediction. If time is foundÂ astrologically incorrect one may rectify it and then proceed.>

In case one goes for BTR there shall be no objection for taking the Ruling Planets at the time of judgment.Its because one will be guided at the appropriate time only by the Devine force as believed. A horary number is not required even if the persons concerned are not involved. It's simply a post-facto analysis.> May I hint that both of them are already married.> Further queries will be gladly answered.> With regards.> Dr. Luther> > > > > Satish Rallabandi <rsatish1942@ >> @gro ups.com> > Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:41 AM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > Â Dear Luther,> >

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Taking the 2 charts for verification of Birth time as first exrcise therafter for marriage date, my comments are as follows.> > Â Â Â Â Â Â 1. Chart 1Â July 15,1980. The Lagna sub in my calculations is Sat which is in sub of Moon henc a connection is estabilshed ,hence no correction is required. > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â However,to look at the sublord ofÂ lagna/starlord of moon connection, minor preponement to 12-10-50, brings both the lagna sub and sub-sub in tune with Moon star/sub.>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ultimately its the event correlation to BTÂ which decides.Is it a female's chart?> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2,Â Chart 2Â Dec 6,1971 Lagna sub is Moon hence no correction is required.Lagna sub-sub is Ven and related to Moon sub.> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Is it a male's chart?> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Having written thus, I thought we shall wait for others'Â comments as per their system ,Â to go further.Â > >

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Regards,> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Satish> > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:25 AM> > > Dear Luther ji,> > Good to see blind chart in this forum after a long time. I agree with you that there is no benefit of just discussing without any practical application. Astrology principles should be tested with the practical application the

way you have proposed. > > Having said that, I doubt that the input provided by you is sufficient for birth time rectification. An astrologer will require some more information like why there isÂ a need for BTR? If the correct time is not known, do we have an idea of the range of inaccuracy in the birth time? Also some events/ characteristics will be required otherwise it will be more beating about the bush. > > As the natives themselves are not involved in the question process, I doubt that RPs, the best tool for BTR in my opinion, Â is going to work in this case. In case you can get an horary number from them, I think that will be doubly useful. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Respected

Astro-Experts,> With due regards and due apology, I have to say that there is no use in just discussing whether a rule is correct or wrong until and unless it is proved practically. I would request the followers of Modified Sri Shanmugham's rule for BTR to kindly present a few charts with such rectification and show its result. Then only it shall be acceptable to others.. We are there to learn not to criticize of discard blindly.> I give birth-data for two persons. Kindly rectify the birth time and predict their date of marriage. I shall disclose the date of marriage later after the prediction is done. I appeal not to be ashamed if the prediction goes wrong. This shall be a primary experimentation.> The data are as follows: -> Name-X> DOB â¤" 15th July 1980> TOB â¤" 8-54 AM> POB â¤" 84 E 48; 19 N 19>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > Name YÂ Â Â > DOB â¤" 6th December 1971 > TOB â¤" 12-15 PM > POB â¤" 84 E 48; 19 N 19 > Those who are interested only they are requested to try. > I would like to mention here that we are not going to test any individual but going to examine the accuracy of a rule of BTR. > I shall be very much obliged if some body accepts the task sportively. > With due regards. > Dr. Luther >

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17:53 AM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > ï»¿ > Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â || Om Gurave Namah ||> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> Â Hari Om,> Dear sir,> Perhaps I am ignorant.> "Modified Sri

Shanmugham's BTR Technique"> Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of MoonÂ > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord ofÂ Â Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> Â Is this called Modified sri Shanmugham BTR Technique?> I am not sure.> After all What it is?> any article , book ,description to grasp the concept of so calledÂ TechniqueÂ apart fom above Rule?.> [Although i have almost finalised RBT working for my own use for fixing parameters up to sub-sub level, but I am really interestd to refine What iÂ going to put to test & Â useÂ in coming days.]> hope to hearÂ Â , about it .> Hope Subhash ji can point me also for his message is latest on this thread.> Can any conclusions be drawn from data in analysis?I wonder.> with

regards.> Â OM TATSAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCS > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > - > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:15 PM> Re: Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > Dear Subhash,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Allow me to thank you

....> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Right from the very day this appeared on this site,although endorsed by M/s Kanak Bosmia and A.R.Raichurji. ..I hadÂ serious reservationsÂ about the "conclusions" drawn fromÂ Â this "exercise".. .> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â That the Moon's starlord,(not the star),if it appears as the sub-lord of the Ascendant,such a TOB is found to correct in over 50% of cases,,is based on the theory of prenatal epoch and the further modification has been giving an accuracy up to the level of 87 %...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Your analysisÂ shouldÂ surelyÂ prompt more research on this subject...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â As said earlier,modified Shanmugham's theory(upto the sub-sub level)Â is,in my humble opinion good enough (for me),so far...till a better,and more accurate method is discovered.. .> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I am looking forward to Senior K.P. Stalwart's opinions...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With best wishes,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â L.Y.Rao.> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â >

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 1:59:07 PM> Re: Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > > Dear Members,> This is regarding the summery of 304 AA charts on the subject.> Normally, star lord of Moon will not change within the period of + or â¤" 30 minutes unless it is a border line case.Â We are matching Ascendant Sub Lord with this. The Ascendant covers the arc of 13* 20' (i.e. the star) in approximately 120 minutes/2.25 stars= 53.33 min. It, therefore, moves through all 9 subs during this period.. This means when we change the birth time by +30 min

andÂ Â Â Â -30 min (i.e. a variation of 60 min total) it should cover all the 9 subs of particular star. > To put it simply, in all 304 cases within this time spanthe sub lord of Asc. must match the star lord of moon.> Now coming to second part of rule i.e. sub-sub lord of Asc. must match the sub lord of Moon. Asc. covers one star in about 54 min. So it covers each sub in 54/9=6 min. That means in these approx. 6 min Asc must cover all the 9 sub-subs. Therefore, excepting some border line cases beyond + or â¤" 24 min, such sub-subs also must match Moon sub. Thus summary presented, in my opinion,Â does not give correct picture. This is because the sub-sub may not be matching exactly at 5 min interval used in summary. According to me this needs further analysis.> Comments from Yogesh ji, Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated.>

Regards> Subhash Ektare> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Modified Sri Shanmugham's BTR Technique> > August 23, 2008> > > > Rule: If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the starlord of Moon > > and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of > > Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.> > > > This rule was applied on 304 AA sample records. Here is the summary > > of the results. The percentage in each case can easily be calculated > > by multiplying 100/304.> > > > Description- --------- -- Passes- Fails> > CorrectRecords> > (Time Used as Given)....2. .... 302> > Incorrect (-30 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-25 min).... 7..... 297> > Incorrect (-20 min).....

4...... 300> > Incorrect (-15 min).... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (-10 min).... 3..... 301> > Incorrect (-5 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (5 min)........ . 4..... 300> > Incorrect (10 min)..... 1..... 303> > Incorrect (15 min)..... 5..... 299> > Incorrect (20 min)..... 4..... 300> > Incorrect (25 min)..... 6..... 298> > Incorrect (30 min)...... 4....... 300> > > > Overall total: 3648, Accepted: 51, Rejected: 3597, Rejection ratio: > > 98.602> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now>

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