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Dear TW,

 

The best fit is Asc Sub should be moon starlord (or

connected thru star/sub) and further these days modified to add Asc

Sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord( or connected to thru star/sub).

 

I may add here the scope for BT correction is related to

fast moving/slow moving planets. Slow moving planets have larger

intervals of time for each sub e.g Ven/Ven, the other extreme being

Sun/Sun.

Large disparities in birth time ( 20-30min)is somehow not

amenable to BTR thru above method.

 

One recent author, writes, Moon or its starlord shud be

connected to Asc sign/star,sub/sub-sub, for BTR.

 

As far as research is concerned, my attention span is low

and my mind not amenable to research. I admire you for your

strength in this area.

 

For general prognosis, this overhype can be dispensed

with. This is my personal view only,I do not wish to create a Tsunami

once more in the group or disturb sentiments/strong views.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Satish ji,

>

> The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and

17:18:23

> as per KPAstro 3.0.

>

> Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the

> Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

>

> From Message #18778,

>

>

>

> " I subsequently > verify/correct(double-check)the TOB such that the

> Ascendant's sublord

>

> > and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord

> respectively... "

>

>

>

> is it correct to rephrase as follows?

>

>

>

> The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord

> appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's

sub

> lord.

>

>

>

> It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this

rule

> on the 300 AA charts.

>

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " R Satish " <rsatish1942@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-

> > 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with

Moon

> > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.

> >

> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as

> > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11

> > houses.

> >

> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers

> > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.

> >

> >

> > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the

> > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I

also

> > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides

> > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.

> >

> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are

> > no fixed,water-tight,rules.for fear of ridicule,many do not

express

> > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role

may

> > be dispensed with.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " swami " swami@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah

> > > Hari Om,Friends

> > > But,

> > > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not

mention

> > BT used by him is rectified.

> > > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT

used

> > is alright.?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > ------------------------

> > > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)

> > > Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;

> > > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:

> > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com]

> > > -----------------------

> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

Being

> > who has

> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > -------------------------------

----

> > >

> > > -

> > > sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM

> > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear dhanabalan,

> > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth

> > time.

> > > PLANET : JUPITER

> > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

> > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6)

> > (1) (3) 12

> > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)

> > (9)

> > >

> > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage

> > > 1-6-2-10 for service

> > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.

> > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events

mentioned

> > by you

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > Dear Sheetal

> > >

> > > I have sent my birth chart already.

> > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not

> > signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any

problem.

> > >

> > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it

> > signifies marriage.

> > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which

> > gives marriage.

> > >

> > > Please go throuigh the chart

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sheetal ratnamalag@

> > > Re: Contribution of planets to

> > the houses

> > >

> > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method

> > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a

> > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand

your

> > method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use

without

> > practical applications. If your method gives a correct

prediction, we

> > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we

are

> > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot

> > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved

query.

> > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I

hope

> > all are eagerly waiting for it.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Dr Sheetal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey

> > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to

> > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you

want

> > others to research and come back with the results?

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > > We are not deviating the general principle of

> > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of

starlord

> > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses

> > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses.

> > >

> > > How we are taking the signification?

> > > The houses owned and the house occupied.

> > >

> > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think

> > you accept this.

> > > The house occupied by the planet only

> > differs.

> > >

> > > In the bhava begin system, the planets

> > posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are

> > considered as in house I.

> > >

> > > In the bhava middle system, the planets

> > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in

> > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the

> > cusp is considered as in house II.

> > >

> > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle

> > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava

middle

> > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only.

> > >

> > > How a planet in the first house give 100%

> > effect to the second house.

> > >

> > > Please forget about all the things you read

> > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the

> > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It

is

> > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think.

> > >

> > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple

> > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am

> > willing to clarify you.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra

> > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer

> > subragops3 >

> > > Re: Contribution of

> > planets to the houses

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,

> > >

> > > I think we are deviating from the

> > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar

> > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to

> > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the

cusp)

> > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental

> > principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " .

To

> > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to

deny

> > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in

the

> > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first

> > cusp and so on with the other cusps.

> > >

> > > Moreover, I have a question to ask

> > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you

> > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by

> > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps?

Don't

> > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this,

> > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.

> > >

> > > These are just my thoughts and I am

> > still a learner.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > >

> > > Contribution

> > of planets to the houses

> > >

> > > " kpsystem groups "

> > @gro ups.com>

> > >

> > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09

> > AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Raichur

> > >

> > > Assuming that the first cusp fall

> > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30

(29.99)

> > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp

> > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is

> > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree

from

> > first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet

F

> > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25

degree

> > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the

> > first cusp.

> > >

> > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP

> > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN %

> > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %

> > > A 0 30 100 0

> > > B 5 25 80 20

> > > C 10 20 60 40

> > > D 14 16 55 45

> > > E 16 14 45 55

> > > F 20 10 40 60

> > > G 25 5 20 80

> > > H 30 0 0 100

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A

> > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as

> > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that

the

> > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F

> > contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to

the

> > first house.

> > >

> > > Am I correct?

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

>

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Dear tw,

This is a modification of a rule given in Astrosecrets & K.P.

If the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,appear as the st.lord and sublord of the Moon,respectively,then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact...PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB...

I am aware of an experiment carried out by you,Kanak and Rangarajan some time back proving that this rule does not apply consistently...yet,in my own experience( I always make it a point to check the TOB and correct it,if necessary,whenever a Birth Chart is presented to me for analysis)I have found it to apply in 80 - 85% cases...hence I continue to use this method of verification of Birth Time...If we take the sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant and it appears as the sublord of the Moon...that TOB is much closer to the actual/exact TOB...

I have been using this modification with good success since many years now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Thursday, 21 August, 2008 9:37:17 AM Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and 17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0.

Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

From Message #18778,

 

"I subsequently > verify/correct( double-check) the TOB such that the Ascendant's sublord

> and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. .."

 

is it correct to rephrase as follows?

 

The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's sub lord.

 

It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this rule on the 300 AA charts.

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-> 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 > houses.> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence

there are > no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not express > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may > be dispensed with.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > Hari Om,Friends> > But,> > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention > BT used by him is rectified.> > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used > is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------ ---------

--------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> > Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;> > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:> > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > > > - > > sunil gondhalekar > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your

birth > time.> > PLANET : JUPITER> > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > (1) (3) 12> > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)> (9)> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > 1-6-2-10 for service> > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > by you> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > Dear Sheetal> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not > signify 2,7,11,5,8

houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > signifies marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which > gives marriage.> > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@> > Re: Contribution of planets to > the houses> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your >

method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without > practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope > all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want > others to research and come back with the results?

> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > > > We are not deviating the general principle of > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > > How we are taking the signification? > > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think > you accept this. > > The house occupied by the planet only > differs. > > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets > posited

between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are > considered as in house I. > > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the > cusp is considered as in house II. > > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > > > How a planet in the first house give 100% > effect to the second house. > > > > Please forget about all the things you read > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > >

> > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am > willing to clarify you. > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > subragops3 >> > Re: Contribution of > planets to the houses> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > I think we are deviating from the > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or

near the cusp) > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first > cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am > still a learner. > >

> > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > >> > Contribution > of planets to the houses> > > > "kpsystem groups" > @gro ups.com> > > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 > AM> > > > > > Dear Raichur> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from > first cusp,

planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the > first cusp.> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A 0 30 100 0 > > B 5 25 80 20 > > C 10 20 60 40 > > D 14 16 55 45 > > E 16 14 45 55 > > F 20 10 40 60 > > G 25 5 20 80 > > H 30 0 0 100 > > > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F > contribution to the second

house is more than its contribution to the > first house.> > > > Am I correct?> > > > Dhanabalan> >>

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Dear Sunil Gondhalekar

 

Thank you for analyzing my birth chart. You have justified the marriage, service, removal from service, child birth, etc. Your analysis makes everyone to understand the 4 step method clearly. For the members convenience I request you to justify some more events under 4 step method.

 

Please note that my birth time has not been rectified. The original time given in the horoscope is 17.19PM. I am not sure about the birth time and it may need correction. According to the past events, my lagna must be Sagittarius only. One of the K.P. astrologer rectified my birth time with RP as 17.16.45 PM.

Additional information

My nature is to fight for the right and exposing corruption. Because of my nature I was transferred frequently from place to place in my work area. When I was at Neyveli, I filed a Public Interested Litigation at Madras High Court against corruptive higher officials. So I was falsely sent out of the company and the case is pending in the court.

 

In the end of the year 2007, I sent many applications requesting information under Right to Information Act to the Police Department(in the intention to expose corruption). So, I was beaten with rowdys by police on 9-1-2008 at about 10.15 AM. I was admitted in the hospital from 9-1-2008 to 13-1-2008. On malicious prosecution, I was put into the jail from 16-1-2008 to 17-2-2008 and came out on bail. I have not committed any crime.

 

9-1-2008(accident, hospitalization)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Mercury

 

16-1-2008 (around 3 PM, I was arrested and sent to central jail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Moon

 

17-2-2008 (released from jail on bail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Mercury

Prana: Venus

 

Dhanabalan

 

@gro ups.com <%40. com>, "sunil

gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@> wrote: dear dhanabalan, pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. PLANET : JUPITER Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 starlord-venus- (8)(5) (9) Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage 1-6-2-10 for service and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. this is based on 4 step theory which matches the events mentioned by you -sunil gondhalekar--

Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA 23:07:5904-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven- Jup): Marriage 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah- Ket): First appointment in Government company 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah- Mer): First female child born 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven- Sat): Second male child born on 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup- Mer):Removed from service

--------4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August

18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4 Planet Ke: Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ve: Cnj 9 Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Su:Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Planet Ma: Cnj 12 Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3,Asp 6, Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3) Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj

9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Me: Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Me is Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9

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Deaar Mr.Dhanabalan

I read ur information.

At present corruption has crossed the limit.As per my knowledge it will be up to 2011 August 25th.

From 25th August 2011 only it will be eradicationg.

I will study ur chart very shortly, after 10th September 2008.

If ur Venus lord of 6th and 11th or Mercury in Venus star or sub may be benefit you to fight against corruption.

 

All the best at all moments.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:47 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar Thank you for analyzing my birth chart. You have justified the marriage, service, removal from service, child birth, etc. Your analysis makes everyone to understand the 4 step method clearly. For the members convenience I request you to justify some more events under 4 step method.

Please note that my birth time has not been rectified. The original time given in the horoscope is 17.19PM. I am not sure about the birth time and it may need correction. According to the past events, my lagna must be Sagittarius only. One of the K.P. astrologer rectified my birth time with RP as 17.16.45 PM.

Additional information

My nature is to fight for the right and exposing corruption. Because of my nature I was transferred frequently from place to place in my work area. When I was at Neyveli, I filed a Public Interested Litigation at Madras High Court against corruptive higher officials. So I was falsely sent out of the company and the case is pending in the court.

 

In the end of the year 2007, I sent many applications requesting information under Right to Information Act to the Police Department(in the intention to expose corruption). So, I was beaten with rowdys by police on 9-1-2008 at about 10.15 AM. I was admitted in the hospital from 9-1-2008 to 13-1-2008. On malicious prosecution, I was put into the jail from 16-1-2008 to 17-2-2008 and came out on bail. I have not committed any crime.

 

9-1-2008(accident, hospitalization)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Mercury

 

16-1-2008 (around 3 PM, I was arrested and sent to central jail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Moon

 

17-2-2008 (released from jail on bail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Mercury

Prana: Venus

 

Dhanabalan

@gro ups.com <%40. com>, "sunil

gondhalekar" <sunilalaka@> wrote: dear dhanabalan, pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. PLANET : JUPITER Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 starlord-venus- (8)(5) (9) Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage 1-6-2-10 for service and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. this is based on 4 step theory which matches the events mentioned by you -sunil

gondhalekar------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA 23:07:5904-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven- Jup): Marriage 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah- Ket): First appointment in Government company 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah- Mer): First female child born 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven- Sat): Second male child born on 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup- Mer):Removed from service

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4 Planet Ke: Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ve: Cnj 9 Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Su:Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Planet Ma: Cnj 12 Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3,Asp 6, Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6,

1-3) Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6;

1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Me: Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Me is Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9

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Dear Satish ji,

 

Thanks. As you're aware, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, the developer

of KPAstro, is helping us in doing research.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " R Satish " <rsatish1942

wrote:

>

>

> Dear TW,

>

> The best fit is Asc Sub should be moon starlord (or

> connected thru star/sub) and further these days modified to add

Asc

> Sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord( or connected to thru star/sub).

>

> I may add here the scope for BT correction is related

to

> fast moving/slow moving planets. Slow moving planets have larger

> intervals of time for each sub e.g Ven/Ven, the other extreme

being

> Sun/Sun.

> Large disparities in birth time ( 20-30min)is somehow

not

> amenable to BTR thru above method.

>

> One recent author, writes, Moon or its starlord shud be

> connected to Asc sign/star,sub/sub-sub, for BTR.

>

> As far as research is concerned, my attention span is

low

> and my mind not amenable to research. I admire you for your

> strength in this area.

>

> For general prognosis, this overhype can be dispensed

> with. This is my personal view only,I do not wish to create a

Tsunami

> once more in the group or disturb sentiments/strong views.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

>

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Satish ji,

> >

> > The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and

> 17:18:23

> > as per KPAstro 3.0.

> >

> > Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and

the

> > Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

> >

> > From Message #18778,

> >

> >

> >

> > " I subsequently > verify/correct(double-check)the TOB such that

the

> > Ascendant's sublord

> >

> > > and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord

> > respectively... "

> >

> >

> >

> > is it correct to rephrase as follows?

> >

> >

> >

> > The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub

lord

> > appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as

Moon's

> sub

> > lord.

> >

> >

> >

> > It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of

this

> rule

> > on the 300 AA charts.

> >

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , " R Satish " <rsatish1942@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-

> > > 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide

with

> Moon

> > > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.

> > >

> > > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as

> > > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others

2,5,7,11

> > > houses.

> > >

> > > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers

> > > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.

> > >

> > >

> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the

> > > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I

> also

> > > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides

> > > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.

> > >

> > > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are

> > > no fixed,water-tight,rules.for fear of ridicule,many do not

> express

> > > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp

role

> may

> > > be dispensed with.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " swami " swami@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah

> > > > Hari Om,Friends

> > > > But,

> > > > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not

> mention

> > > BT used by him is rectified.

> > > > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT

> used

> > > is alright.?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM TATSAT

> > > > ------------------------

> > > > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)

> > > > Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;

> > > > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:

> > > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com]

> > > > -----------------------

> > > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

> Being

> > > who has

> > > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > > ----------------------------

---

> ----

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > sunil gondhalekar

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM

> > > > Re: Contribution of planets to the

houses

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear dhanabalan,

> > > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth

> > > time.

> > > > PLANET : JUPITER

> > > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

> > > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6)

> > > (1) (3) 12

> > > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)

> > > (9)

> > > >

> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage

> > > > 1-6-2-10 for service

> > > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.

> > > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events

> mentioned

> > > by you

> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >

> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Sheetal

> > > >

> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.

> > > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not

> > > signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any

> problem.

> > > >

> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it

> > > signifies marriage.

> > > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which

> > > gives marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Please go throuigh the chart

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@

> > > > Re: Contribution of planets to

> > > the houses

> > > >

> > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method

> > > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one

each, a

> > > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can

understand

> your

> > > method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use

> without

> > > practical applications. If your method gives a correct

> prediction, we

> > > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which

we

> are

> > > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a

lot

> > > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved

> query.

> > > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all.

I

> hope

> > > all are eagerly waiting for it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Dr Sheetal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey

> > > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to

> > > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where

you

> want

> > > others to research and come back with the results?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R

> > > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan

> > > >

> > > > We are not deviating the general principle of

> > > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of

> starlord

> > > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two

houses

> > > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12

houses.

> > > >

> > > > How we are taking the signification?

> > > > The houses owned and the house occupied.

> > > >

> > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think

> > > you accept this.

> > > > The house occupied by the planet only

> > > differs.

> > > >

> > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets

> > > posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end)

are

> > > considered as in house I.

> > > >

> > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets

> > > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as

in

> > > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from

the

> > > cusp is considered as in house II.

> > > >

> > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle

> > > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava

> middle

> > > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only.

> > > >

> > > > How a planet in the first house give 100%

> > > effect to the second house.

> > > >

> > > > Please forget about all the things you read

> > > already for the short period and study calmly my message and

the

> > > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you.

It

> is

> > > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think.

> > > >

> > > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple

> > > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I

am

> > > willing to clarify you.

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra

> > > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer

> > > subragops3 >

> > > > Re: Contribution of

> > > planets to the houses

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,

> > > >

> > > > I think we are deviating from the

> > > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar

> > > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets

to

> > > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near

the

> cusp)

> > > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental

> > > principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their

starlords " .

> To

> > > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power

to

> deny

> > > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords

in

> the

> > > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the

first

> > > cusp and so on with the other cusps.

> > > >

> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask

> > > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't

you

> > > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by

> > > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps?

> Don't

> > > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like

this,

> > > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.

> > > >

> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am

> > > still a learner.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R

> > > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > > >

> > > > Contribution

> > > of planets to the houses

> > > >

> > > > " kpsystem groups "

> > > @gro ups.com>

> > > >

> > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09

> > > AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raichur

> > > >

> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall

> > > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30

> (29.99)

> > > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first

cusp

> > > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C

is

> > > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14

degree

> from

> > > first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp,

planet

> F

> > > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25

> degree

> > > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from

the

> > > first cusp.

> > > >

> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP

> > > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN %

> > > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %

> > > > A 0 30 100 0

> > > > B 5 25 80 20

> > > > C 10 20 60 40

> > > > D 14 16 55 45

> > > > E 16 14 45 55

> > > > F 20 10 40 60

> > > > G 25 5 20 80

> > > > H 30 0 0 100

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A

> > > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and

H as

> > > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean

that

> the

> > > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F

> > > contribution to the second house is more than its contribution

to

> the

> > > first house.

> > > >

> > > > Am I correct?

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Lajmi ji,

 

Thanks.

 

For the computer program language, it is to be rephrased --

 

If the sublord of the Ascendant appears as the st. lord of the Moon

and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the sublord of the

Moon, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact.

 

PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30 minutes of

the given TOB...

 

can be tested by +/-5,10,15,20,25.30 min ranges.

 

Thanks and regards.

 

tw

 

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear tw,

>              This is a modification of a rule given

in Astrosecrets & K.P.

>              If the sublord and the sub-sub lord of

the Ascendant,appear as the st.lord and sublord of the

Moon,respectively,then the Ascendant is deemed to be

exact...PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30

minutes of the given TOB...

>              I am aware of an experiment carried out

by you,Kanak and Rangarajan some time back proving that this rule

does not apply consistently...yet,in my own experience( I always

make it a point to check the TOB and correct it,if

necessary,whenever a Birth Chart is presented to me for analysis)I

have found it to apply in 80 - 85% cases...hence I continue to use

this method of verification of Birth Time...If we take the sub-sub-

sub of the Ascendant and it appears as the sublord of the

Moon...that TOB is much closer to the actual/exact TOB...

>              I have been using this modification with

good success since many years now...

>              L.Y.Rao.

>   

>

>

>

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Thursday, 21 August, 2008 9:37:17 AM

> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

>

>

> Dear Satish ji,

> The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and

17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0.

> Does it mean  the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon  star lord,

and  the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

> From Message #18778,

>  

> " I subsequently > verify/correct( double-check) the TOB such that

the Ascendant's sublord

> > and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord

respectively. .. "

>  

> is it correct to rephrase as follows?

>  

> The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord

appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's

sub lord.

>  

> It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of

this rule on the 300 AA charts.

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " R Satish " <rsatish1942@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-

> > 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with

Moon

> > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.

> >

> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as

> > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11

> > houses.

> >

> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers

> > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.

> >

> >

> > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the

> > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I

also

> > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides

> > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.

> >

> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are

> > no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not

express

> > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role

may

> > be dispensed with.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " swami " swami@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah

> > > Hari Om,Friends

> > > But,

> > > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not

mention

> > BT used by him is rectified.

> > > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT

used

> > is alright.?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)

> > > Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;

> > > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:

> > > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com]

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

Being

> > who has

> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --

> > >

> > > -

> > > sunil gondhalekar

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM

> > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear dhanabalan,

> > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth

> > time.

> > > PLANET : JUPITER

> > > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

> > > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

> > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6)

> > (1) (3) 12

> > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)

> > (9)

> > >

> > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage

> > > 1-6-2-10 for service

> > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.

> > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events

mentioned

> > by you

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > Dear Sheetal

> > >

> > > I have sent my birth chart already.

> > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not

> > signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any

problem.

> > >

> > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it

> > signifies marriage.

> > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which

> > gives marriage.

> > >

> > > Please go throuigh the chart

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sheetal ratnamalag@

> > > Re: Contribution of planets to

> > the houses

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method

> > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each,

a

> > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand

your

> > method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use

without

> > practical applications. If your method gives a correct

prediction, we

> > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we

are

> > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a

lot

> > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved

query.

> > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I

hope

> > all are eagerly waiting for it.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Dr Sheetal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey

> > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to

> > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you

want

> > others to research and come back with the results?

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > > We are not deviating the general principle of

> > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of

starlord

> > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two

houses

> > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12

houses.

> > >

> > > How we are taking the signification?

> > > The houses owned and the house occupied.

> > >

> > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think

> > you accept this.

> > > The house occupied by the planet only

> > differs.

> > >

> > > In the bhava begin system, the planets

> > posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end)

are

> > considered as in house I.

> > >

> > > In the bhava middle system, the planets

> > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in

> > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from

the

> > cusp is considered as in house II.

> > >

> > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle

> > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava

middle

> > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only.

> > >

> > > How a planet in the first house give 100%

> > effect to the second house.

> > >

> > > Please forget about all the things you read

> > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the

> > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you.

It is

> > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think.

> > >

> > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple

> > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I

am

> > willing to clarify you.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra

> > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer

> > subragops3 >

> > > Re: Contribution of

> > planets to the houses

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,

> > >

> > > I think we are deviating from the

> > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar

> > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets

to

> > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the

cusp)

> > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental

> > principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their

starlords " . To

> > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to

deny

> > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords

in the

> > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the

first

> > cusp and so on with the other cusps.

> > >

> > > Moreover, I have a question to ask

> > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you

> > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by

> > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps?

Don't

> > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this,

> > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.

> > >

> > > These are just my thoughts and I am

> > still a learner.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > S.Gopalakrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> > >

> > > Contribution

> > of planets to the houses

> > >

> > > " kpsystem groups "

> > @gro ups.com>

> > >

> > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09

> > AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Raichur

> > >

> > > Assuming that the first cusp fall

> > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30

(29.99)

> > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first

cusp

> > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C

is

> > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree

from

> > first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp,

planet F

> > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25

degree

> > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from

the

> > first cusp.

> > >

> > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP

> > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN %

> > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %

> > > A 0 30 100 0

> > > B 5 25 80 20

> > > C 10 20 60 40

> > > D 14 16 55 45

> > > E 16 14 45 55

> > > F 20 10 40 60

> > > G 25 5 20 80

> > > H 30 0 0 100

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A

> > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H

as

> > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that

the

> > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F

> > contribution to the second house is more than its contribution

to the

> > first house.

> > >

> > > Am I correct?

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

>

>

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Dear sri Rao Garu,There is a small typographical error in your msg.Asc's sub sub sub sub lord should be moon sub sub lord in stead of moon sub lord as mentioned in your msg.As per your practice (modified version of Shanmugam's theory), Asc sub, sub sub and sub sub sub lords if appear as Moon star, sub and sub sub lords respectively, the Birth Time is considered is exact upto second. Not onlt this but even connection between these two (Asc and Moon) was not proved in Rangarajn's study of several AA rated charts. Even in the articles on successfull prediction based on Natal charts, it is observed that your said practice is not satisfied by those Birth Charts.Kanakji, Raichurji, godhalekharji, etc., KP astrologers have been following different theories of BTR and they are also getting similar

success rates.BTR methods are in evolutionary process. Survival is the fittest in the long run.The exact Birth Time is known only to God.I don't think our great Gurus, Parashara, Jaimini, Kalidasa etc., did not evolve jyotish principles based on study AA rated charts. They had great intuitive skills and Devine knowledge. They had Trikarana Shuddhi.Jyotish knowledge and perfection is not possible without such personal qualities.Thanks and Regards.Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Contribution of

planets to the houses Cc: "TW" <tw853Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:39 PM

 

Dear tw,

This is a modification of a rule given in Astrosecrets & K.P.

If the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,appear as the st.lord and sublord of the Moon,respectively, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact...PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB...

I am aware of an experiment carried out by you,Kanak and Rangarajan some time back proving that this rule does not apply consistently. ..yet,in my own experience( I always make it a point to check the TOB and correct it,if necessary,whenever a Birth Chart is presented to me for analysis)I have found it to apply in 80 - 85% cases...hence I continue to use this method of verification of Birth Time...If we take the sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant and it appears as the sublord of the Moon...that TOB is much closer to the actual/exact TOB...

I have been using this modification with good success since many years now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comThursday, 21 August, 2008 9:37:17 AM Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and 17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0.

Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

From Message #18778,

 

"I subsequently > verify/correct( double-check) the TOB such that the Ascendant's sublord

> and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. .."

 

is it correct to rephrase as follows?

 

The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's sub lord.

 

It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this rule on the 300 AA charts.

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-> 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 > houses.> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence

there are > no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not express > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may > be dispensed with.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > Hari Om,Friends> > But,> > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention > BT used by him is rectified.> > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used > is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------ ---------

--------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> > Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;> > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:> > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > > > - > > sunil gondhalekar > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your

birth > time.> > PLANET : JUPITER> > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > (1) (3) 12> > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)> (9)> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > 1-6-2-10 for service> > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > by you> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > Dear Sheetal> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not > signify 2,7,11,5,8

houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > signifies marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which > gives marriage.> > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@> > Re: Contribution of planets to > the houses> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your >

method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without > practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope > all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want > others to research and come back with the results?

> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > > > We are not deviating the general principle of > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > > How we are taking the signification? > > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think > you accept this. > > The house occupied by the planet only > differs. > > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets > posited

between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are > considered as in house I. > > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the > cusp is considered as in house II. > > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > > > How a planet in the first house give 100% > effect to the second house. > > > > Please forget about all the things you read > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > >

> > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am > willing to clarify you. > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > subragops3 >> > Re: Contribution of > planets to the houses> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > I think we are deviating from the > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or

near the cusp) > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first > cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am > still a learner. > >

> > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > >> > Contribution > of planets to the houses> > > > "kpsystem groups" > @gro ups.com> > > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 > AM> > > > > > Dear Raichur> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from > first cusp,

planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the > first cusp.> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A 0 30 100 0 > > B 5 25 80 20 > > C 10 20 60 40 > > D 14 16 55 45 > > E 16 14 45 55 > > F 20 10 40 60 > > G 25 5 20 80 > > H 30 0 0 100 > > > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F > contribution to the second

house is more than its contribution to the > first house.> > > > Am I correct?> > > > Dhanabalan> >>

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Dear Mr.Naidu,

Thank you for pointing out the mistake...

I agree with you completely...Guruji always exhorted us students to develop intuition...

Luckily for me,in those days(1960's),on CST Rly Stn., then known as V.T., there was a bookstall dedicated to sell Publications of the Ramkirishna Mission...and I came accross a book written by Swami Vivekananda on "How to develop Intuition"...for a price of 8 annas,then,a 20 page booklet...

Swamiji's formula is very simple indeed...one's "inner mind" keeps giving a lot of messages throughout the day...but our modern education,laying undue stress on "rational and logical thinking" etc., has

resulted in us suppressing our intuitive powers from functioning... simply by not listening to it... over time,it simply STOPS functioning... !

I have experienced this many a time...and so must all of us have...for example,my wife insisted that we should go to a particular movie in the evening... I suggested that we wait for 3-4 days...as I expected a lot of rush(my intuition was telling me so...)...but she wouldn't just listen,rationalising that it has been running for a week now...etc., ...and finally we went to theatre only to find a board "HOUSE FULL"...and returned home...(but to make up for her disappointment I did take her and the children out for dinner...to a posh restaurant...!).

Since then,I try my best to LISTEN to my "inner voice"...it has never let me down...so far atleast...

I recommend cultivating one's intuition to ALL...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Thursday, 21 August, 2008 10:21:06 PMRe: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Rao Garu,There is a small typographical error in your msg.Asc's sub sub sub sub lord should be moon sub sub lord in stead of moon sub lord as mentioned in your msg.As per your practice (modified version of Shanmugam's theory), Asc sub, sub sub and sub sub sub lords if appear as Moon star, sub and sub sub lords respectively, the Birth Time is considered is exact upto second. Not onlt this but even connection between these two (Asc and Moon) was not proved in Rangarajn's study of several AA rated charts. Even in the articles on successfull prediction based on Natal charts, it is observed that your said practice is not satisfied by those Birth Charts.Kanakji, Raichurji, godhalekharji, etc., KP astrologers have been following different theories of BTR and they are also getting similar success rates.BTR methods are in evolutionary process. Survival is the

fittest in the long run.The exact Birth Time is known only to God.I don't think our great Gurus, Parashara, Jaimini, Kalidasa etc., did not evolve jyotish principles based on study AA rated charts. They had great intuitive skills and Devine knowledge. They had Trikarana Shuddhi.Jyotish knowledge and perfection is not possible without such personal qualities.Thanks and Regards.Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comCc: "TW" <tw853 >Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:39 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear tw,

This is a modification of a rule given in Astrosecrets & K.P.

If the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,appear as the st.lord and sublord of the Moon,respectively, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact...PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB...

I am aware of an experiment carried out by you,Kanak and Rangarajan some time back proving that this rule does not apply consistently. ..yet,in my own experience( I always make it a point to check the TOB and correct it,if necessary,whenever a Birth Chart is presented to me for analysis)I have found it to apply in 80 - 85% cases...hence I continue to use this method of verification of Birth Time...If we take the sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant and it appears as the sublord of the Moon...that TOB is much closer to the actual/exact TOB...

I have been using this modification with good success since many years now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comThursday, 21 August, 2008 9:37:17 AM Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and 17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0.

Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

From Message #18778,

 

"I subsequently > verify/correct( double-check) the TOB such that the Ascendant's sublord

> and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. .."

 

is it correct to rephrase as follows?

 

The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's sub lord.

 

It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this rule on the 300 AA charts.

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-> 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 > houses.> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence

there are > no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not express > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may > be dispensed with.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > Hari Om,Friends> > But,> > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention > BT used by him is rectified.> > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used > is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------ ---------

--------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> > Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;> > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:> > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > > > - > > sunil gondhalekar > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your

birth > time.> > PLANET : JUPITER> > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > (1) (3) 12> > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)> (9)> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > 1-6-2-10 for service> > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > by you> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > Dear Sheetal> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not > signify 2,7,11,5,8

houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > signifies marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which > gives marriage.> > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@> > Re: Contribution of planets to > the houses> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your >

method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without > practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope > all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want > others to research and come back with the results?

> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > > > We are not deviating the general principle of > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > > How we are taking the signification? > > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think > you accept this. > > The house occupied by the planet only > differs. > > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets > posited

between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are > considered as in house I. > > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the > cusp is considered as in house II. > > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > > > How a planet in the first house give 100% > effect to the second house. > > > > Please forget about all the things you read > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > >

> > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am > willing to clarify you. > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > subragops3 >> > Re: Contribution of > planets to the houses> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > I think we are deviating from the > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or

near the cusp) > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first > cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am > still a learner. > >

> > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > >> > Contribution > of planets to the houses> > > > "kpsystem groups" > @gro ups.com> > > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 > AM> > > > > > Dear Raichur> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from > first cusp,

planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the > first cusp.> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A 0 30 100 0 > > B 5 25 80 20 > > C 10 20 60 40 > > D 14 16 55 45 > > E 16 14 45 55 > > F 20 10 40 60 > > G 25 5 20 80 > > H 30 0 0 100 > > > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F > contribution to the second

house is more than its contribution to the > first house.> > > > Am I correct?> > > > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Sir ,

charansparsh,

Very well said .INTUITION always works & gives us so many clue about happenings,

but in this modern yera the person who speaks about the same people say nothing is like .so many time we suppress our intuition giving logics to ourselfs.

there is some supreame power besides all ,which work & run this whole SRUSHATI.

that is why so many time we pridict the things so correctly using all good method but result

fails.Personally I fill it is good that ,this power still in gods hands.

--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:08 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

Thank you for pointing out the mistake...

I agree with you completely.. .Guruji always exhorted us students to develop intuition...

Luckily for me,in those days(1960's) ,on CST Rly Stn., then known as V.T., there was a bookstall dedicated to sell Publications of the Ramkirishna Mission...and I came accross a book written by Swami Vivekananda on "How to develop Intuition".. .for a price of 8 annas,then,a 20 page booklet...

Swamiji's formula is very simple indeed...one' s "inner mind" keeps giving a lot of messages throughout the day...but our modern education,laying undue stress on "rational and logical thinking" etc., has

resulted in us suppressing our intuitive powers from functioning. .. simply by not listening to it... over time,it simply STOPS functioning. .. !

I have experienced this many a time...and so must all of us have...for example,my wife insisted that we should go to a particular movie in the evening... I suggested that we wait for 3-4 days...as I expected a lot of rush(my intuition was telling me so...)...but she wouldn't just listen,rationalisin g that it has been running for a week now...etc., ...and finally we went to theatre only to find a board "HOUSE FULL"...and returned home...(but to make up for her disappointment I did take her and the children out for dinner...to a posh restaurant.. .!).

Since then,I try my best to LISTEN to my "inner voice"...it has never let me down...so far atleast...

I recommend cultivating one's intuition to ALL...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comThursday, 21 August, 2008 10:21:06 PMRe: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Rao Garu,There is a small typographical error in your msg.Asc's sub sub sub su

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dear dhanabalan,

your quoted incidents were in saturn dasa,jupiter bhukti and rahu anatara.i have already analysed jupiter.

now about saturn.it is as follows

PLANET : SATURNItself :-------------- Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12It's Sub :------------ Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 5 1 8saturn indicates 12 th,6th and due to starlord of rahu 8-9 houses.

 

now about anatara of rahu.

i always says that rahu is blemish planet.anatara of rahu created big

problems in your life.

another interesting point in your chart is conjunction of hershal with mercury.

your arrest was in moon pran dasa.its signification

PLANET : MOONItself :-------------- Moon:- (9) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) (4) (11) Cusp Yuti: (12) It's Sub :------------ Sun:- 7 8 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (7) 6 7 9

Itself aspects :------ 5on 4th step mercury conjunts hershal.this conjunction with hershal sent you in jail because of your writing

(karaka planet for writing matters).

hope you and 4 step lovers will satisfy from this message.

-sunil gondhalekar

On 8/21/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar Thank you for analyzing my birth chart. You have justified the marriage, service, removal from service, child birth, etc. Your analysis makes everyone to understand the 4 step method clearly. For the members convenience I request you to justify some more events under 4 step method.

Please note that my birth time has not been rectified. The original time given in the horoscope is 17.19PM. I am not sure about the birth time and it may need correction. According to the past events, my lagna must be Sagittarius only. One of the K.P. astrologer rectified my birth time with RP as 17.16.45 PM.

Additional information

My nature is to fight for the right and exposing corruption. Because of my nature I was transferred frequently from place to place in my work area. When I was at Neyveli, I filed a Public Interested Litigation at Madras High Court against corruptive higher officials. So I was falsely sent out of the company and the case is pending in the court.

 

In the end of the year 2007, I sent many applications requesting information under Right to Information Act to the Police Department(in the intention to expose corruption). So, I was beaten with rowdys by police on 9-1-2008 at about 10.15 AM. I was admitted in the hospital from 9-1-2008 to 13-1-2008. On malicious prosecution, I was put into the jail from 16-1-2008 to 17-2-2008 and came out on bail. I have not committed any crime.

 

9-1-2008(accident, hospitalization)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Mercury

 

16-1-2008 (around 3 PM, I was arrested and sent to central jail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Jupiter

Prana:Moon

 

17-2-2008 (released from jail on bail)

Dasa:Saturn

Bukthi:Jupiter

Antharam:Rahu

Sootsamam:Mercury

Prana: Venus

 

Dhanabalan

@gro ups.com <%40. com>, " sunil

gondhalekar " <sunilalaka@> wrote:

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth

time. PLANET : JUPITER

Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12

It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)

It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 starlord-venus- (8)(5) (9)

Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3

jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage 1-6-2-10 for service and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. this is based on 4 step theory which matches the events mentioned by you

-sunil gondhalekar-- Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA 23:07:5904-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven- Jup): Marriage

04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah- Ket): First appointment in Government company 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah- Mer): First female child born 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven- Sat): Second male child born on 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup- Mer):Removed from service

--------4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)

Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11

Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju

Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12

Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10

Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma

Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4

Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3

Sa aspects 4 Planet Ke:

Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ve: Cnj 9

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Su:

Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10

Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12

Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)

Planet Ma: Cnj 12 Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3,Asp 6, Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3)

Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7

Planet Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9

Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9)

Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9)

Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Planet Me: Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3

Sublord of Me is Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9

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Thanks sri Rao Garu for quoting your practical experience on intuition.Regds.Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 22/8/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 10:38 AM

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

Thank you for pointing out the mistake...

I agree with you completely.. .Guruji always exhorted us students to develop intuition...

Luckily for me,in those days(1960's) ,on CST Rly Stn., then known as V.T., there was a bookstall dedicated to sell Publications of the Ramkirishna Mission...and I came accross a book written by Swami Vivekananda on "How to develop Intuition".. .for a price of 8 annas,then,a 20 page booklet...

Swamiji's formula is very simple indeed...one' s "inner mind" keeps giving a lot of messages throughout the day...but our modern education,laying undue stress on "rational and logical thinking" etc., has

resulted in us suppressing our intuitive powers from functioning. .. simply by not listening to it... over time,it simply STOPS functioning. .. !

I have experienced this many a time...and so must all of us have...for example,my wife insisted that we should go to a particular movie in the evening... I suggested that we wait for 3-4 days...as I expected a lot of rush(my intuition was telling me so...)...but she wouldn't just listen,rationalisin g that it has been running for a week now...etc., ...and finally we went to theatre only to find a board "HOUSE FULL"...and returned home...(but to make up for her disappointment I did take her and the children out for dinner...to a posh restaurant.. .!).

Since then,I try my best to LISTEN to my "inner voice"...it has never let me down...so far atleast...

I recommend cultivating one's intuition to ALL...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comThursday, 21 August, 2008 10:21:06 PMRe: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Rao Garu,There is a small typographical error in your msg.Asc's sub sub sub sub lord should be moon sub sub lord in stead of moon sub lord as mentioned in your msg.As per your practice (modified version of Shanmugam's theory), Asc sub, sub sub and sub sub sub lords if appear as Moon star, sub and sub sub lords respectively, the Birth Time is considered is exact upto second. Not onlt this but even connection between these two (Asc and Moon) was not proved in Rangarajn's study of several AA rated charts. Even in the articles on successfull prediction based on Natal charts, it is observed that your said practice is not satisfied by those Birth Charts.Kanakji, Raichurji, godhalekharji, etc., KP astrologers have been following different theories of BTR and they are also getting similar success rates.BTR methods are in evolutionary process. Survival is the

fittest in the long run.The exact Birth Time is known only to God.I don't think our great Gurus, Parashara, Jaimini, Kalidasa etc., did not evolve jyotish principles based on study AA rated charts. They had great intuitive skills and Devine knowledge. They had Trikarana Shuddhi.Jyotish knowledge and perfection is not possible without such personal qualities.Thanks and Regards.Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comCc: "TW" <tw853 >Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:39 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear tw,

This is a modification of a rule given in Astrosecrets & K.P.

If the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,appear as the st.lord and sublord of the Moon,respectively, then the Ascendant is deemed to be exact...PROVIDED that the corrected TOB is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB...

I am aware of an experiment carried out by you,Kanak and Rangarajan some time back proving that this rule does not apply consistently. ..yet,in my own experience( I always make it a point to check the TOB and correct it,if necessary,whenever a Birth Chart is presented to me for analysis)I have found it to apply in 80 - 85% cases...hence I continue to use this method of verification of Birth Time...If we take the sub-sub-sub of the Ascendant and it appears as the sublord of the Moon...that TOB is much closer to the actual/exact TOB...

I have been using this modification with good success since many years now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comThursday, 21 August, 2008 9:37:17 AM Re: Contribution of planets to the houses

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and 17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0.

Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord?

From Message #18778,

 

"I subsequently > verify/correct( double-check) the TOB such that the Ascendant's sublord

> and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. .."

 

is it correct to rephrase as follows?

 

The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's sub lord.

 

It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this rule on the 300 AA charts.

 

Thanks and regards,

tw

@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-> 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 > houses.> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence

there are > no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not express > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may > be dispensed with.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > Hari Om,Friends> > But,> > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention > BT used by him is rectified.> > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used > is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------ ---------

--------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> > Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;> > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:> > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com] > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > > > - > > sunil gondhalekar > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your

birth > time.> > PLANET : JUPITER> > Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > (1) (3) 12> > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)> (9)> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > 1-6-2-10 for service> > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > by you> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > Dear Sheetal> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not > signify 2,7,11,5,8

houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > signifies marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which > gives marriage.> > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@> > Re: Contribution of planets to > the houses> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your >

method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without > practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope > all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want > others to research and come back with the results?

> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > > > We are not deviating the general principle of > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > > How we are taking the signification? > > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think > you accept this. > > The house occupied by the planet only > differs. > > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets > posited

between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are > considered as in house I. > > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the > cusp is considered as in house II. > > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > > > How a planet in the first house give 100% > effect to the second house. > > > > Please forget about all the things you read > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > >

> > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am > willing to clarify you. > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > subragops3 >> > Re: Contribution of > planets to the houses> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > I think we are deviating from the > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or

near the cusp) > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first > cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am > still a learner. > >

> > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > >> > Contribution > of planets to the houses> > > > "kpsystem groups" > @gro ups.com> > > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 > AM> > > > > > Dear Raichur> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from > first cusp,

planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the > first cusp.> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A 0 30 100 0 > > B 5 25 80 20 > > C 10 20 60 40 > > D 14 16 55 45 > > E 16 14 45 55 > > F 20 10 40 60 > > G 25 5 20 80 > > H 30 0 0 100 > > > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F > contribution to the second

house is more than its contribution to the > first house.> > > > Am I correct?> > > > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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