mail_BTR CONFUSION

August 18, 2008

" Asheesh " <ni_ash1

To:

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August

18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao

and members,

i

am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for

moon str lord-sub lord the asc

sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2

hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of

lady,

Pl help me in

finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to

fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are

being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo

as per chart casted with time given,

DOB :

15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female

..

Regards Asheesh

thanks

and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it

confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug

2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA

india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA

Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me

Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are

Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of

Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in

RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

Reject Planets in

star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in

Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement

will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification

needed.

SIGN LEVEL

SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in

Venus Star

So no change at

sign level needed

STAR LEVEL

CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are

different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn

established.No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL

CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A

SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub

will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may

be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta

houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od

Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is

available for given time of birth

Venus is not

effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in

effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and

see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo

..SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is

3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart

and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts

are requested.

Hope this exercise

helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 19, 2008

Dear swami,

it was a very good effort on ur part,but in my openion

its lot of exercise and not very easy to understand

for a beginner like me,i will try to understand that

and will try to figure out things as per this birth

time,but i casted chart with the time u rectified

,still sub and sub-sub of asc are not tallying with

str lord and sub of moon,and it will not tally any way

because using method suggested BY LY Rao they will

fall more than 30 min away from given time,

to conclude ,whatever reference be given by respected

members for this method asc sub and sub-sub for str

lord and sub of moon ,in my openion this method will

not do justice to BTR,simply because every second a

birth is taking place somewhere ,according to this

method it had become a precondition for birth to take

place, which is not the truth.we shd try to find some

new means for BTR,for BTR accuracy shd be 95%+ and

possibly 100% for at least 100 charts study,ie it must

be a foolproof and easy method and shd be logically

justified and acceptable to all,criticism is most

welcome

regards

Asheesh

--- swami <swami wrote:

> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1

>

> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

>

> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

>

> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady

> using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for

> moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are

> coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,

> which is not the case as confirmed by parents of

> lady,

> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so

> that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would

> like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being

> faced in marriage talks which may be due to

> punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female .

> Regards Asheesh

>

> thanks and regards

> Asheesh

>

> Dear Asheesh,

> Please look below

> Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> Step 1.

> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP

> Ayanamsa.

> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

>

> Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> TIME chart

> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

>

> RUILING PLANETS

> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn

> Venus

> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> DAY LORD MOON

> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both

> are in RP

> So include Nodes in RP

> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and

> Ven

> So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of

> Judgement will agree Or tally with

> ( i) RP at birth; or

> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> Here we see

> RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

> First ( i) does not apply.

> Rectification needed.

> SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

> SAT >> VEN

> Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

> So no change at sign level needed

> STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

> Jup>> Moon

> Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

> Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven

> star Jup sub.Conn established.No rectification

> needed.

> SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

> MERC>>VEN

> MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr - JUP

> sub

> JUP connects .

> No change needed

> Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex

> Confirmation.

> RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment

> of Judgement.

> Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

> Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could

> govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

> The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

> Here

> Venus sun is available for given time of birth

> Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

> NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

> Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

> Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is

> next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

> This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

> Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and

> see what is in Lagna

> ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or

> 1 min 4 sec Later

> SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

> This gives SEX as FEMALE

> Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past

> life Events before accepting it.

> Comments of experts are requested.

> Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

>

> OM TAT SAT

> Swami_rcs

>

August 19, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Asheesh,

To express lucidly the procedure,I could have written in better manner.

My post was targeted to experts as BTR although simple but needs familirity with Basics, that i assumed beginners are usually clear about.

Sorry I will again re -write with more examples as and when time permits,as you may be aware judgement being mental process is fast but to write takes times and demands skill.

I am sorry for my poor composition/expression.

Here i would tell you another working procedure.

After time is rectified, one needs to revarify 5 to 6 times , with use of RP particlary sub-sub and sub level.

Time spent rewards in correct prediction.

What MR rao tells and advocate is very correct but 15 % cases are beyond it.This case is one .Such cases are identified for RP at MOJ does not agree diretly with RP at Birth.

Practical working will clear doubts.

Since 30 minutes variation is not likely so Mr rao.s method will not apply , it being exception.

What I can suggest for your client is Solve marriage timing from Horary and work out marriage timing from Natal chart also and watch what comes out.

Tht is one way of learning what works and what not.

Thanks for taking trouble to read this mail.

with best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

-

Asheesh

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:22 PM

Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Dear swami,it was a very good effort on ur part,but in my openionits lot of exercise and not very easy to understandfor a beginner like me,i will try to understand that and will try to figure out things as per this birthtime,but i casted chart with the time u rectified,still sub and sub-sub of asc are not tallying withstr lord and sub of moon,and it will not tally any waybecause using method suggested BY LY Rao they willfall more than 30 min away from given time,to conclude ,whatever reference be given by respectedmembers for this method asc sub and sub-sub for strlord and sub of moon ,in my openion this method willnot do justice to BTR,simply because every second abirth is taking place somewhere ,according to thismethod it had become a precondition for birth to takeplace, which is not the truth.we shd try to find somenew means for BTR,for BTR accuracy shd be 95%+ andpossibly 100% for at least 100 charts study,ie it mustbe a foolproof and easy method and shd be logicallyjustified and acceptable to all,criticism is mostwelcomeregardsAsheesh--- swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:> "Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >> > Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> > Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> > i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady> using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for> moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are> coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,> which is not the case as confirmed by parents of> lady,> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so> that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would> like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being> faced in marriage talks which may be due to> punarphoo as per chart casted with time given, > DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female . > Regards Asheesh> > thanks and regards> Asheesh> > Dear Asheesh,> Please look below> Ignore if it confuses yoou.> Step 1.> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP> Ayanamsa.> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> > Step work out RP for Time of judgment> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> TIME chart > SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra> > RUILING PLANETS> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn> Venus > MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju> DAY LORD MOON> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both> are in RP> So include Nodes in RP> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and> Ven> So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of> Judgement will agree Or tally with > ( i) RP at birth; or > ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> Here we see> RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.> First ( i) does not apply.> Rectification needed.> SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:> SAT >> VEN> Both are different Sat is in Venus Star> So no change at sign level needed> STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?> Jup>> Moon> Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB> Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven> star Jup sub.Conn established.No rectification> needed.> SUB LEVEL CONNECTION> MERC>>VEN> MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr - JUP> sub> JUP connects .> No change needed> Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex> Confirmation.> RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment> of Judgement.> Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC> Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could> govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.> The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.> Here> Venus sun is available for given time of birth> Venus is not effective RP at TOJ> NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.> Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.> Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is> next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup> This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM> Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and> see what is in Lagna> ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or> 1 min 4 sec Later> SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM> This gives SEX as FEMALE> Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past> life Events before accepting it.> Comments of experts are requested.> Hope this exercise helps to some extent.> > OM TAT SAT> Swami_rcs> > > > >

August 23, 2008

Dear Asheesh,

Please see BTR according to me. Please verify some important life events and confirm.Kindly let me know your results.

First of all let us remember that the Lagna is not to be adjusted to make suitable for a particular event. The event has to come according to the horoscope could be favorable or otherwise.

Ruling planets at given birth time: -Moon : 13:06:22 Virgo; Asc : 20:48:01 Taurus.

Ascendant sign lord : Venus

Ascendant Star lord : Moon

Ascendant sub-lord : Sun

Moon sign lord : Mercury

Moon Star lord : Moon

Moon sub-lord : : Rahu

Day lord : Venus

Ruling planets at the time of judgment: - Asc : 7:04:52 Leo: Moon : 23:26:35 Aries

5-40 AM; 23rd August 2008; Berhampur, orissa.

Ascendant sign lord : Sun

Ascendant Star lord : Kethu

Ascendant sub-lord : Rahu

Moon sign lord : Mars

Moon Star lord : Venus

Moon sub-lord : : Saturn

Day lord : Saturn

Rectification

Ascendant Sign lord Venus is one of the ruling planets. So it need not be changed.

So ascendant Sign lord is Venus.

Ascendant Star lord is Moon which does not appear among the RPs. So the star lord should be either the Sun or Mars. Sun is Ascendant sign lord and Mars is Moon sign lord at TOJ. 20-48 Taurus is nearer to Mars star than that of Sun. It is only about 4 degrees.

So Ascendant star lord shall be Mars.

In Mars star the subs of Mars, Rahu, Jupiter and Saturn ar available. Jupiter is not a RP. Next to Mars sub there comes sub of Rahu. So I would like to fix Rahu sub.

So Ascendant sub is Rahu.

In Rahu sub I select sub-sub of Saturn since it is one of the strong among the RPs.

Ascendant sub-sub is Saturn.

Rectified birth time =

TOB : Hrs 15-16-20 : Ascendant 24-40-40 Taurus : Venus-Mars-Rahu-Saturn

You may erect a horoscope and calculate for her marriage.

Dr. Luther

swami <swami Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:13:55 PM mail_BTR CONFUSION

"Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >

<@gro ups.com>

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore ,female .

Regards Asheesh

thanks and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra, KE.

Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification needed.

SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

So no change at sign level needed

STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn established. No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is available for given time of birth

Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts are requested.

Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 23, 2008

Dear Shrivastava ji,

Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification technique that you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami wrote:

" Asheesh " <ni_ash1

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female .

Regards Asheesh

thanks and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification needed.

SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

So no change at sign level needed

STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn established.No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is available for given time of birth

Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts are requested.

Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 23, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Punit,

Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical Literature.

It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because Dr BV Raman used it and wrote about in "my experiment ..... "series in Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried artices and gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

with best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

-

Punit Pandey

Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Dear Shrivastava ji,

Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification technique that you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:

"Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female .

Regards Asheesh

thanks and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification needed.

SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

So no change at sign level needed

STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn established.No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is available for given time of birth

Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts are requested.

Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 23, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Asheesh.

Now you have two rectified BT.

Please caste chart , as she is your cliet, you may be aware of some events, her education pattern etc, when you find time plese post your readings indicating which time is found reliable?

It will help in case studies.

wih best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

-

Luther Rath

Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:56 AM

Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Dear Asheesh,

Please see BTR according to me. Please verify some important life events and confirm.Kindly let me know your results.

First of all let us remember that the Lagna is not to be adjusted to make suitable for a particular event. The event has to come according to the horoscope could be favorable or otherwise.

Ruling planets at given birth time: -Moon : 13:06:22 Virgo; Asc : 20:48:01 Taurus.

Ascendant sign lord : Venus

Ascendant Star lord : Moon

Ascendant sub-lord : Sun

Moon sign lord : Mercury

Moon Star lord : Moon

Moon sub-lord : : Rahu

Day lord : Venus

Ruling planets at the time of judgment: - Asc : 7:04:52 Leo: Moon : 23:26:35 Aries

5-40 AM; 23rd August 2008; Berhampur, orissa.

Ascendant sign lord : Sun

Ascendant Star lord : Kethu

Ascendant sub-lord : Rahu

Moon sign lord : Mars

Moon Star lord : Venus

Moon sub-lord : : Saturn

Day lord : Saturn

Rectification

Ascendant Sign lord Venus is one of the ruling planets. So it need not be changed.

So ascendant Sign lord is Venus.

Ascendant Star lord is Moon which does not appear among the RPs. So the star lord should be either the Sun or Mars. Sun is Ascendant sign lord and Mars is Moon sign lord at TOJ. 20-48 Taurus is nearer to Mars star than that of Sun. It is only about 4 degrees.

So Ascendant star lord shall be Mars.

In Mars star the subs of Mars, Rahu, Jupiter and Saturn ar available. Jupiter is not a RP. Next to Mars sub there comes sub of Rahu. So I would like to fix Rahu sub.

So Ascendant sub is Rahu.

In Rahu sub I select sub-sub of Saturn since it is one of the strong among the RPs.

Ascendant sub-sub is Saturn.

Rectified birth time =

TOB : Hrs 15-16-20 : Ascendant 24-40-40 Taurus : Venus-Mars-Rahu-Saturn

You may erect a horoscope and calculate for her marriage.

Dr. Luther

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:13:55 PM mail_BTR CONFUSION

"Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >

<@gro ups.com>

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore ,female .

Regards Asheesh

thanks and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra, KE.

Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification needed.

SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

So no change at sign level needed

STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn established. No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is available for given time of birth

Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts are requested.

Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 23, 2008

Dear Shrivastava ji,

Appreciate your response.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Punit,

Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical Literature.

It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because Dr BV Raman used it and wrote about in " my experiment ..... " series in Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried artices and gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

with best wishes.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

----------------------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

--

-

Punit Pandey

Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Dear Shrivastava ji,

Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification technique that you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami wrote:

" Asheesh " <ni_ash1

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female .

Regards Asheesh

thanks and regards

Asheesh

Dear Asheesh,

Please look below

Ignore if it confuses yoou.

Step 1.

Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

Step work out RP for Time of judgment

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

TIME chart

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

RUILING PLANETS

ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

DAY LORD MOON

The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

So include Nodes in RP

RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Or tally with

( i) RP at birth; or

( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

Here we see

RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

First ( i) does not apply.

Rectification needed.

SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

SAT >> VEN

Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

So no change at sign level needed

STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

Jup>> Moon

Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn established.No rectification needed.

SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

MERC>>VEN

MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub

JUP connects .

No change needed

Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.

RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.

Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

Here

Venus sun is available for given time of birth

Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in Lagna

ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later

SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

This gives SEX as FEMALE

Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before accepting it.

Comments of experts are requested.

Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

OM TAT SAT

Swami_rcs

August 23, 2008

Dear Asheesh,

Read ur mail to Swami RCS...

Kindly check whether the parents have given you the LOCAL time...or IST...

I have lived in Indore for many years,and during those times,people used to set their clocks to the Local time,even the Hukumchand Palace clock used to show the local time...

Kindly do check and let me know...asap.

L.Y.Rao.

Asheesh <ni_ash1 Sent: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008 11:22:00 PMRe: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Dear swami,it was a very good effort on ur part,but in my openionits lot of exercise and not very easy to understandfor a beginner like me,i will try to understand that and will try to figure out things as per this birthtime,but i casted chart with the time u rectified,still sub and sub-sub of asc are not tallying withstr lord and sub of moon,and it will not tally any waybecause using method suggested BY LY Rao they willfall more than 30 min away from given time,to conclude ,whatever reference be given by respectedmembers for this method asc sub and sub-sub for strlord and sub of moon ,in my openion this method willnot do justice to BTR,simply because every second abirth is taking place somewhere ,according to thismethod it had become a precondition for birth to takeplace, which is not the truth.we shd try to find somenew means for BTR,for BTR accuracy shd be 95%+

andpossibly 100% for at least 100 charts study,ie it mustbe a foolproof and easy method and shd be logicallyjustified and acceptable to all,criticism is mostwelcomeregardsAsheesh--- swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:> "Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >> <@gro ups.com>> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> > Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> > i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady> using the method described by shri

yogesh rao,for> moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are> coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,> which is not the case as confirmed by parents of> lady,> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so> that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would> like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being> faced in marriage talks which may be due to> punarphoo as per chart casted with time given, > DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female . > Regards Asheesh> > thanks and regards> Asheesh> > Dear Asheesh,> Please look below> Ignore if it confuses yoou.> Step 1.> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP> Ayanamsa.> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> > Step work out RP for Time of judgment> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> TIME chart >

SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra> > RUILING PLANETS> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn> Venus > MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju> DAY LORD MOON> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both> are in RP> So include Nodes in RP> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and> Ven> So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of> Judgement will agree Or tally with > ( i)

RP at birth; or > ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> Here we see> RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.> First ( i) does not apply.> Rectification needed.> SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:> SAT >> VEN> Both are different Sat is in Venus Star> So no change at sign level needed> STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?> Jup>> Moon> Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB> Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven> star Jup sub.Conn established. No rectification> needed.> SUB LEVEL CONNECTION> MERC>>VEN> MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr - JUP> sub> JUP connects .> No change needed> Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex> Confirmation.> RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment> of Judgement.> Moon star- sub

may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC> Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could> govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.> The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.> Here> Venus sun is available for given time of birth> Venus is not effective RP at TOJ> NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.> Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.> Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is> next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup> This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM> Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and> see what is in Lagna> ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or> 1 min 4 sec Later> SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM> This gives SEX as FEMALE> Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past> life Events before accepting it.> Comments of experts are requested.> Hope this

exercise helps to some extent.> > OM TAT SAT> Swami_rcs> > > > >

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August 23, 2008

Dear Punitji,

There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna

Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa(D-108). It was

essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female birth.

The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc

Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart

for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix birth

timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.

I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of

course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due chauvinism.

It is good for independent cross check.

Regards,

Satish

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Shrivastava ji,

>

> Appreciate your response.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami wrote:

>

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah

> > Hari Om,

> > Dear Punit,

> > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical

Literature.

> > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because

Dr BV

> > Raman used it and wrote about in " my experiment ..... " series in

> > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried

artices and

> > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

> > with best wishes.

> >

> > OM TATSAT

> > ------------------------

> > Swami_RCS

> > -----------------------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> >

--

> >

> > -

> > ** Punit Pandey <punitp

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

> > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> >

> > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> >

> > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification

technique that

> > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami wrote:

> >

> >> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1

> >>

> >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> >>

> >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

> >>

> >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

> >>

> >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the

method

> >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc

sub and

> >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,

which is

> >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

> >>

> >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try

to fix

> >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of

obstacles are

> >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as

per chart

> >> casted with time given,

> >>

> >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM,indore,female .

> >>

> >> Regards Asheesh

> >>

> >> thanks and regards

> >>

> >> Asheesh

> >>

> >> Dear Asheesh,

> >>

> >> Please look below

> >>

> >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> >>

> >> Step 1.

> >>

> >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

> >>

> >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

> >>

> >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> >>

> >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> >>

> >> TIME chart

> >>

> >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> >>

> >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> >>

> >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> >>

> >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> >>

> >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> >>

> >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> >>

> >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> >>

> >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> >>

> >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> >>

> >> RUILING PLANETS

> >>

> >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

> >>

> >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> >>

> >> DAY LORD MOON

> >>

> >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> >>

> >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

> >>

> >> So include Nodes in RP

> >>

> >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA,Ra,KE.

> >>

> >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> >>

> >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

> >>

> >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*

> >>

> >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will

agree Ortally with

> >>

> >> ( i) RP at birth; or

> >>

> >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> >>

> >> Here we see

> >>

> >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*

> >>

> >> *First ( i) does not apply.*

> >>

> >> *Rectification needed.*

> >>

> >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*

> >>

> >> *SAT >> VEN*

> >>

> >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*

> >>

> >> *So no change at sign level needed*

> >>

> >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***

> >>

> >> * Jup>> Moon*

> >>

> >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*

> >>

> >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup

sub.Conn

> >> established.No rectification needed.*

> >>

> >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*

> >>

> >> *MERC>>VEN*

> >>

> >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub*

> >>

> >> *JUP connects** .*

> >>

> >> *No change needed*

> >>

> >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation.*

> >>

> >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of

Judgement.*

> >>

> >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*

> >>

> >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB

od Birth

> >> ASC.*

> >>

> >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*

> >>

> >> *Here*

> >>

> >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*

> >>

> >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*

> >>

> >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*

> >>

> >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*

> >>

> >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-

sub will

> >> be either Rah OR Jup*

> >>

> >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*

> >>

> >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what

is in

> >> Lagna*

> >>

> >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4

sec Later*

> >>

> >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*

> >>

> >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*

> >>

> >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life

Events before

> >> accepting it.*

> >>

> >> *Comments of experts are requested.*

> >>

> >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*

> >>

> >> **

> >>

> >> *OM** TAT SAT*

> >>

> >> *Swami_rcs***

> >>

> >

>

August 24, 2008

Dear Satish

Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He also referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional charts can be used to correct the birth time for known events.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942 Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM

Dear Punitji, There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It was essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female birth. The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix birth timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due chauvinism.It is good for independent cross check.Regards,Satish@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Shrivastava ji,> > Appreciate your response.> > Thanks &

Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami wrote:> > >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > Hari Om,> > Dear Punit,> > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical Literature.> > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because Dr BV> > Raman used it and wrote about in "my experiment ...... "series in> > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried artices and> > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.> > with best wishes.> >> > OM TATSAT> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_RCS> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on

the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> >> > -> > ** Punit Pandey <punitp> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM> > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> >> > Dear Shrivastava ji,> >> > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification technique that> > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami

wrote:> >> >> "Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >> >>> >> <@gro ups.com>> >>> >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> >>> >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> >>> >>> >>> >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> >>> >>> >>> >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the method> >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and> >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, which is> >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,> >>> >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may

try to fix> >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of obstacles are> >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as per chart> >> casted with time given,> >>> >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .> >>> >> Regards Asheesh> >>> >>> >>> >> thanks and regards> >>> >> Asheesh> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Asheesh,> >>> >> Please look below> >>> >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.> >>> >> Step 1.> >>> >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.> >>> >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> >>> >>> >>> >> Step work

out RP for Time of judgment> >>> >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> >>> >> TIME chart> >>> >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> >>> >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> >>> >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve> >>> >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> >>> >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke> >>> >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma> >>> >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> >>> >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> >>> >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra> >>> >>> >>> >> RUILING PLANETS> >>> >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus> >>> >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me

Ju> >>> >> DAY LORD MOON> >>> >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> >>> >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP> >>> >> So include Nodes in RP> >>> >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.> >>> >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO> >>> >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven> >>> >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*> >>> >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will agree Ortally with> >>> >> ( i) RP at birth; or> >>> >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> >>> >> Here we see> >>> >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc

Venus.*> >>> >> *First ( i) does not apply.*> >>> >> *Rectification needed.*> >>> >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*> >>> >> *SAT >> VEN*> >>> >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*> >>> >> *So no change at sign level needed*> >>> >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***> >>> >> * Jup>> Moon*> >>> >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*> >>> >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup sub.Conn> >> established. No rectification needed.*> >>> >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*> >>> >> *MERC>>VEN*> >>> >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP

sub*> >>> >> *JUP connects** .*> >>> >> *No change needed*> >>> >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *> >>> >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of Judgement.*> >>> >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*> >>> >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB od Birth> >> ASC.*> >>> >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*> >>> >> *Here*> >>> >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*> >>> >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*> >>> >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*> >>> >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and

Merc.*> >>> >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-sub will> >> be either Rah OR Jup*> >>> >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*> >>> >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what is in> >> Lagna*> >>> >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 sec Later*> >>> >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*> >>> >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*> >>> >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life Events before> >> accepting it.*> >>> >> *Comments of experts are requested.*> >>> >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*> >>> >> **> >>> >>

*OM** TAT SAT*> >>> >> *Swami_rcs** *> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>

August 24, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan,

Sri KSK is no more,so would not use him to

buttress my arguments for either yes/no.

KP is still evolving as on date, so to move with

times, we have an option to experiment or put our blinkers on and

stay put.

I put up a note on Sept 10,2006 under caption

Navamsa-Dwadasamsa.Do try it out and see for yourself.If

acceptable ,try further cases, if not reject.I have no back up info.

to reinforce my statements.

Regards,

Satish

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Satish

>

> Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He also

referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment

about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the

divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct

birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional charts

can be used to correct the birth time for known events.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> R Satish <rsatish1942

> Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

>

> Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM

>

Dear Punitji,

>

> There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna

> Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It was

> essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female birth.

> The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc

>

> Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart

> for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix birth

> timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.

>

> I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of

> course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due chauvinism.

>

> It is good for independent cross check.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> >

> > Appreciate your response.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah

> > > Hari Om,

> > > Dear Punit,

> > > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical

> Literature.

> > > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense,

because

> Dr BV

> > > Raman used it and wrote about in " my experiment ..... " series in

> > > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried

> artices and

> > > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

> > > with best wishes.

> > >

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > Swami_RCS

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

Being

> who has

> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> --

> > >

> > > -

> > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

> > > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> > >

> > > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > >

> > > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification

> technique that

> > > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > >

> > >> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1@ >

> > >>

> > >> <@gro ups.com>

> > >>

> > >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> > >>

> > >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

> > >>

> > >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

> > >>

> > >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the

> method

> > >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the

asc

> sub and

> > >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,

> which is

> > >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

> > >>

> > >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may

try

> to fix

> > >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of

> obstacles are

> > >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as

> per chart

> > >> casted with time given,

> > >>

> > >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .

> > >>

> > >> Regards Asheesh

> > >>

> > >> thanks and regards

> > >>

> > >> Asheesh

> > >>

> > >> Dear Asheesh,

> > >>

> > >> Please look below

> > >>

> > >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> > >>

> > >> Step 1.

> > >>

> > >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

> > >>

> > >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

> > >>

> > >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> > >>

> > >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> > >>

> > >> TIME chart

> > >>

> > >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> > >>

> > >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> > >>

> > >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> > >>

> > >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> > >>

> > >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> > >>

> > >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> > >>

> > >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> > >>

> > >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> > >>

> > >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> > >>

> > >> RUILING PLANETS

> > >>

> > >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

> > >>

> > >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> > >>

> > >> DAY LORD MOON

> > >>

> > >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> > >>

> > >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

> > >>

> > >> So include Nodes in RP

> > >>

> > >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.

> > >>

> > >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> > >>

> > >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

> > >>

> > >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*

> > >>

> > >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will

> agree Ortally with

> > >>

> > >> ( i) RP at birth; or

> > >>

> > >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> > >>

> > >> Here we see

> > >>

> > >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*

> > >>

> > >> *First ( i) does not apply.*

> > >>

> > >> *Rectification needed.*

> > >>

> > >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*

> > >>

> > >> *SAT >> VEN*

> > >>

> > >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*

> > >>

> > >> *So no change at sign level needed*

> > >>

> > >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***

> > >>

> > >> * Jup>> Moon*

> > >>

> > >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*

> > >>

> > >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup

> sub.Conn

> > >> established. No rectification needed.*

> > >>

> > >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*

> > >>

> > >> *MERC>>VEN*

> > >>

> > >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub*

> > >>

> > >> *JUP connects** .*

> > >>

> > >> *No change needed*

> > >>

> > >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *

> > >>

> > >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of

> Judgement.*

> > >>

> > >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*

> > >>

> > >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-

SUB

> od Birth

> > >> ASC.*

> > >>

> > >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*

> > >>

> > >> *Here*

> > >>

> > >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*

> > >>

> > >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*

> > >>

> > >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*

> > >>

> > >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*

> > >>

> > >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So

sub-

> sub will

> > >> be either Rah OR Jup*

> > >>

> > >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*

> > >>

> > >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what

> is in

> > >> Lagna*

> > >>

> > >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4

> sec Later*

> > >>

> > >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*

> > >>

> > >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*

> > >>

> > >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life

> Events before

> > >> accepting it.*

> > >>

> > >> *Comments of experts are requested.*

> > >>

> > >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*

> > >>

> > >> **

> > >>

> > >> *OM** TAT SAT*

> > >>

> > >> *Swami_rcs** *

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

August 24, 2008

Dear Satish ji,

Your last post can be found here - /message/9851.

Going through this post, I am embarrassed that I asked the same question of reference last time as well and that time also you replied. I don't know why we dropped it last time, but let us test it this time and see how it comes up.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan,Sri KSK is no more,so would not use him to buttress my arguments for either yes/no.KP is still evolving as on date, so to move with times, we have an option to experiment or put our blinkers on and

stay put.I put up a note on Sept 10,2006 under caption Navamsa-Dwadasamsa.Do try it out and see for yourself.If acceptable ,try further cases, if not reject.I have no back up info. to reinforce my statements.

Regards,Satish , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: >> Dear Satish> > Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He also referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the

divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional charts can be used to correct the birth time for known events.> > Dhanabalan

> > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:> > R Satish <rsatish1942

> Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> > Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM

> > > > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna > Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It was

> essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female birth. > The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc > > Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart > for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix birth

> timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.> > I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of > course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due chauvinism.> > It is good for independent cross check.

> > Regards,> > Satish> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > > > Appreciate your response.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > > Hari Om,> > > Dear Punit,> > > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical

> Literature.> > > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because > Dr BV> > > Raman used it and wrote about in " my experiment ..... " series in> > > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried

> artices and> > > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.> > > with best wishes.> > >> > > OM TATSAT> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > Swami_RCS> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> --> > >> > > -> > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>> > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> > >> > > Dear Shrivastava ji,> > >> > > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification

> technique that> > > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >

> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:> > >> > >> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1@ >> > >>> > >> <@gro ups.com>

> > >>> > >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > >>> > >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> > >>> > >>> > >>

> > >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the > method

> > >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc > sub and> > >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, > which is> > >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

> > >>> > >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try > to fix> > >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of > obstacles are

> > >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as > per chart> > >> casted with time given,> > >>> > >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .

> > >>> > >> Regards Asheesh> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> thanks and regards> > >>> > >> Asheesh> > >>

> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Asheesh,> > >>> > >> Please look below> > >>> > >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.> > >>

> > >> Step 1.> > >>> > >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.> > >>> > >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> > >>

> > >>> > >>> > >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment> > >>> > >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> > >>> > >> TIME chart

> > >>> > >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> > >>> > >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> > >>> > >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> > >>> > >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> > >>> > >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke> > >>> > >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> > >>> > >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> > >>> > >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> > >>> > >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> RUILING PLANETS> > >>> > >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus> > >>> > >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> > >>> > >> DAY LORD MOON> > >>> > >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> > >>> > >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP

> > >>> > >> So include Nodes in RP> > >>> > >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.> > >>> > >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> > >>> > >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven> > >>> > >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*> > >>> > >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will

> agree Ortally with> > >>> > >> ( i) RP at birth; or> > >>> > >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> > >>> > >> Here we see

> > >>> > >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*> > >>> > >> *First ( i) does not apply.*> > >>> > >> *Rectification needed.*

> > >>> > >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*> > >>> > >> *SAT >> VEN*> > >>> > >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*

> > >>> > >> *So no change at sign level needed*> > >>> > >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***> > >>> > >> * Jup>> Moon*

> > >>> > >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*> > >>> > >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup > sub.Conn> > >> established. No rectification needed.*

> > >>> > >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*> > >>> > >> *MERC>>VEN*> > >>> > >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub*

> > >>> > >> *JUP connects** .*> > >>> > >> *No change needed*> > >>> > >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *

> > >>> > >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of > Judgement.*> > >>> > >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*> > >>

> > >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB > od Birth> > >> ASC.*> > >>> > >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*

> > >>> > >> *Here*> > >>> > >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*> > >>> > >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*

> > >>> > >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*> > >>> > >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*> > >>> > >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So

sub-> sub will> > >> be either Rah OR Jup*> > >>> > >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*> > >>> > >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what

> is in> > >> Lagna*> > >>> > >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 > sec Later*> > >>> > >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*

> > >>> > >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*> > >>> > >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life > Events before> > >> accepting it.*

> > >>> > >> *Comments of experts are requested.*> > >>> > >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*> > >>> > >> **> > >>

> > >> *OM** TAT SAT*> > >>> > >> *Swami_rcs** *> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>

> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > >> >>

August 24, 2008

Divisinnal charts will give clues but it is very laborius work

Dashamamsa given very good points i had collected around 100 charts in 1985 but i lost it

I found 10th house of dashamsa with Saturn and Venus made many king/minister/heighest status.

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Sun, 24/8/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 10:01 PM

Dear Satish ji,

Your last post can be found here - http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 9851.

Going through this post, I am embarrassed that I asked the same question of reference last time as well and that time also you replied. I don't know why we dropped it last time, but let us test it this time and see how it comes up.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan,Sri KSK is no more,so would not use him to buttress my arguments for either yes/no.KP is still evolving as on date, so to move with times, we have an option to experiment or put our blinkers on and stay put.I put up a note on Sept 10,2006 under caption Navamsa-Dwadasamsa. Do try it out and see for yourself.If acceptable ,try further cases, if not reject.I have no back up info. to reinforce my statements.Regards,Satish@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Satish> > Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He also referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional charts can be used to correct the birth time for known events.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>

> Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> @gro ups.com> Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna > Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It was > essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female birth. > The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc > > Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart > for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix birth > timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.> > I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of > course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due

chauvinism.> > It is good for independent cross check.> > Regards,> > Satish> > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shrivastava ji,> > > > Appreciate your response.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:> > > > >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> > > Hari Om,> > > Dear Punit,> > > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in classical > Literature.> > > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense, because > Dr BV> > > Raman

used it and wrote about in "my experiment ..... "series in> > > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried > artices and> > > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.> > > with best wishes.> > >> > > OM TATSAT> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > Swami_RCS> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> --> > >> > > -> > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> > >> > > Dear Shrivastava ji,> > >> > > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification > technique that> > > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:> > >> > >> "Asheesh" <ni_ash1@ >> > >>> > >> <@gro ups.com>> > >>> > >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > >>> >

>> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using the > method> > >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the asc > sub and> > >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given, > which is> > >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,> > >>> > >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may try > to fix> > >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of > obstacles are> > >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to punarphoo as > per chart> >

>> casted with time given,> > >>> > >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .> > >>> > >> Regards Asheesh> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> thanks and regards> > >>> > >> Asheesh> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Asheesh,> > >>> > >> Please look below> > >>> > >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.> > >>> > >> Step 1.> > >>> > >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.> > >>> > >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment> > >>> > >>

Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> > >>> > >> TIME chart> > >>> > >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> > >>> > >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> > >>> > >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve> > >>> > >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> > >>> > >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke> > >>> > >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma> > >>> > >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> > >>> > >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> > >>> > >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> RUILING PLANETS> > >>> > >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn

Venus> > >>> > >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju> > >>> > >> DAY LORD MOON> > >>> > >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> > >>> > >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are in RP> > >>> > >> So include Nodes in RP> > >>> > >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.> > >>> > >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO> > >>> > >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven> > >>> > >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*> > >>> > >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will > agree Ortally with> > >>> > >> ( i) RP at birth; or> > >>>

> >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> > >>> > >> Here we see> > >>> > >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*> > >>> > >> *First ( i) does not apply.*> > >>> > >> *Rectification needed.*> > >>> > >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*> > >>> > >> *SAT >> VEN*> > >>> > >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*> > >>> > >> *So no change at sign level needed*> > >>> > >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***> > >>> > >> * Jup>> Moon*> > >>> > >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*> > >>> > >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub

Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup > sub.Conn> > >> established. No rectification needed.*> > >>> > >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*> > >>> > >> *MERC>>VEN*> > >>> > >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr â€“ JUP sub*> > >>> > >> *JUP connects** .*> > >>> > >> *No change needed*> > >>> > >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *> > >>> > >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of > Judgement.*> > >>> > >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*> > >>> > >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern SUB-SUB > od Birth> > >> ASC.*> >

>>> > >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*> > >>> > >> *Here*> > >>> > >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*> > >>> > >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*> > >>> > >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*> > >>> > >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*> > >>> > >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next So sub-> sub will> > >> be either Rah OR Jup*> > >>> > >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*> > >>> > >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see what > is in> > >> Lagna*> > >>> > >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be

12 sec earlier or 1 min 4 > sec Later*> > >>> > >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*> > >>> > >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*> > >>> > >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life > Events before> > >> accepting it.*> > >>> > >> *Comments of experts are requested.*> > >>> > >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*> > >>> > >> **> > >>> > >> *OM** TAT SAT*> > >>> > >> *Swami_rcs** *> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>

>>

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August 24, 2008

Dear Punit Ji,

Sathish Ji's usage of D-108 is being used in vedic as per PVR

Narasimha Rao Ji (Author of J Hora). I have listened to one of his

audio lectures (you can google it) and he emphasize D-108 for

correcting upto seconds level.

Narasimha Rao Ji & Sanjay Rath say that PP (pranapada lagna) lagna

should be in trine or 7th to navamsa Moon. i.e Breath can happen

only when PP lagna is in trine or 7th to navamsa Moon. I use above

two rules to fine tune the birth time. I use JHora for this with

following setting lahiri ayanamsa, Sunrise definition to be " Tip of

sun disk is truly on eastern horizon "

The above two rules are in SJC lectures. You may try PP one.

Some astrologers use kunda for rectification, but PVR Rao Ji doesn't

agree to it.

Regards,

K.Babu

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Satish ji,

>

> Your last post can be found here -

> /message/9851.

>

> Going through this post, I am embarrassed that I asked the same

question of

> reference last time as well and that time also you replied. I

don't know why

> we dropped it last time, but let us test it this time and see how

it comes

> up.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> >

> > Sri KSK is no more,so would not use him to

> > buttress my arguments for either yes/no.

> >

> > KP is still evolving as on date, so to move with

> > times, we have an option to experiment or put our blinkers on and

> > stay put.

> >

> > I put up a note on Sept 10,2006 under caption

> > Navamsa-Dwadasamsa.Do try it out and see for yourself.If

> > acceptable ,try further cases, if not reject.I have no back up

info.

> > to reinforce my statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satish

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He

also

> > referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment

> > about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the

> > divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct

> > birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional

charts

> > can be used to correct the birth time for known events.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote:

> > >

> > > R Satish <rsatish1942@>

> >

> > > Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> > > <%40>

> > > Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Punitji,

> > >

> > > There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna

> > > Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It

was

> > > essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female

birth.

> > > The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc

> > >

> > > Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart

> > > for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix

birth

> > > timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.

> > >

> > > I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of

> > > course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due

chauvinism.

> > >

> > > It is good for independent cross check.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > > >

> > > > Appreciate your response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah

> > > > > Hari Om,

> > > > > Dear Punit,

> > > > > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in

classical

> > > Literature.

> > > > > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense,

> > because

> > > Dr BV

> > > > > Raman used it and wrote about in " my

experiment ..... " series in

> > > > > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine

carried

> > > artices and

> > > > > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

> > > > > with best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > OM TATSAT

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------

---

> > > > > Swami_RCS

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------

--

> > > > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

> > Being

> > > who has

> > > > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------

--- -

> > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification

> > > technique that

> > > > > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1@ >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> <@gro ups.com>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using

the

> > > method

> > > > >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord

the

> > asc

> > > sub and

> > > > >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time

given,

> > > which is

> > > > >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i

may

> > try

> > > to fix

> > > > >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of

> > > obstacles are

> > > > >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to

punarphoo as

> > > per chart

> > > > >> casted with time given,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards Asheesh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> thanks and regards

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Asheesh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Asheesh,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Please look below

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Step 1.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> > > > >>

> > > > >> TIME chart

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> > > > >>

> > > > >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> > > > >>

> > > > >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> > > > >>

> > > > >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RUILING PLANETS

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> > > > >>

> > > > >> DAY LORD MOON

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are

in RP

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So include Nodes in RP

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement

will

> > > agree Ortally with

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ( i) RP at birth; or

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Here we see

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *First ( i) does not apply.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Rectification needed.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SAT >> VEN*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *So no change at sign level needed*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***

> > > > >>

> > > > >> * Jup>> Moon*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup

> > > sub.Conn

> > > > >> established. No rectification needed.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *MERC>>VEN*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *JUP connects** .*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *No change needed*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of

> > > Judgement.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern

SUB-

> > SUB

> > > od Birth

> > > > >> ASC.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Here*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next

So

> > sub-

> > > sub will

> > > > >> be either Rah OR Jup*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see

what

> > > is in

> > > > >> Lagna*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1

min 4

> > > sec Later*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life

> > > Events before

> > > > >> accepting it.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Comments of experts are requested.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> **

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *OM** TAT SAT*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Swami_rcs** *

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 25, 2008

Dear Punit,

In 2006,there was in a different mindset of the group.

Any no-KP proposal, irrespective of merit,found its place in

the dustbin .

Today the flavour is different,a total departure from

the past,now we discuss vedic philosophy freely.This is good for the

group.

I do not blame you at all,it was to happen then thatway

and differently now.No harm done, we can pickup the strands .

Since the choice of techniques are subjective, and all

systems are fallible,with a cap on strike rate.

Regards,

Satish

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Satish ji,

>

> Your last post can be found here -

> /message/9851.

>

> Going through this post, I am embarrassed that I asked the same

question of

> reference last time as well and that time also you replied. I don't

know why

> we dropped it last time, but let us test it this time and see how

it comes

> up.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> >

> > Sri KSK is no more,so would not use him to

> > buttress my arguments for either yes/no.

> >

> > KP is still evolving as on date, so to move with

> > times, we have an option to experiment or put our blinkers on and

> > stay put.

> >

> > I put up a note on Sept 10,2006 under caption

> > Navamsa-Dwadasamsa.Do try it out and see for yourself.If

> > acceptable ,try further cases, if not reject.I have no back up

info.

> > to reinforce my statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satish

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has used navamsa and trimsamsa(D30) for prediction. He

also

> > referred kalachakra dasa. Mr.KSK did not give any adverse comment

> > about D charts. I do not know why he has not gone deep into the

> > divisional charts. The higher division charts may require correct

> > birth time like in k.p. for correct prediction. The divisional

charts

> > can be used to correct the birth time for known events.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote:

> > >

> > > R Satish <rsatish1942@>

> >

> > > Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> > > <%40>

> > > Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:16 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Punitji,

> > >

> > > There is a book on Divisional charts by Mallikarjuna

> > > Rao which gives some details on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa( D-108). It

was

> > > essential to determine whether it is a male birth or female

birth.

> > > The lagan(D-108) falling in odd rasis confirms male birth etc

> > >

> > > Off shoot of this principle is to use this same chart

> > > for BTR where the gender is known,you work in reverse to fix

birth

> > > timethru lagna sign position.Each rasi is approx 17 sec.

> > >

> > > I recall had put up a note nearly 2/3 yrs ago. Of

> > > course, it was discarded being a non KP concept and due

chauvinism.

> > >

> > > It is good for independent cross check.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > > >

> > > > Appreciate your response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah

> > > > > Hari Om,

> > > > > Dear Punit,

> > > > > Many things are taught in parampras and not found in

classical

> > > Literature.

> > > > > It is a parampra secret.Now not a secret in strict sense,

> > because

> > > Dr BV

> > > > > Raman used it and wrote about in " my

experiment ..... " series in

> > > > > Astrological Magazine.Planests and forcaste Magazine carried

> > > artices and

> > > > > gave detailed calculations to do it long long ago.

> > > > > with best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > OM TATSAT

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------

--

> > > > > Swami_RCS

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------

-

> > > > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

> > Being

> > > who has

> > > > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------

-- -

> > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:14 AM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shrivastava ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Which classical text talks about D108 based rectification

> > > technique that

> > > > > you have used. Would appreciate the reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, swami <swami@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >> " Asheesh " <ni_ash1@ >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> <@gro ups.com>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady using

the

> > > method

> > > > >> described by shri yogesh rao,for moon str lord-sub lord the

> > asc

> > > sub and

> > > > >> sub-sub are coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time

given,

> > > which is

> > > > >> not the case as confirmed by parents of lady,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so that i may

> > try

> > > to fix

> > > > >> the marriage period, I would like to mention that a lot of

> > > obstacles are

> > > > >> being faced in marriage talks which may be due to

punarphoo as

> > > per chart

> > > > >> casted with time given,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards Asheesh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> thanks and regards

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Asheesh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Asheesh,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Please look below

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Step 1.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> > > > >>

> > > > >> TIME chart

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> > > > >>

> > > > >> JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> > > > >>

> > > > >> VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> > > > >>

> > > > >> SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> > > > >>

> > > > >> KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RUILING PLANETS

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn Venus

> > > > >>

> > > > >> MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> > > > >>

> > > > >> DAY LORD MOON

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon both are

in RP

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So include Nodes in RP

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and Ven

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So Effective RP are *JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of Judgement will

> > > agree Ortally with

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ( i) RP at birth; or

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Here we see

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RP at Birth were Moon Venus *Moon Merc Venus.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *First ( i) does not apply.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Rectification needed.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SAT >> VEN*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Both are different Sat is in Venus Star*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *So no change at sign level needed*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?***

> > > > >>

> > > > >> * Jup>> Moon*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven star Jup

> > > sub.Conn

> > > > >> established. No rectification needed.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SUB LEVEL CONNECTION*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *MERC>>VEN*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr – JUP sub*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *JUP connects** .*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *No change needed*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex Confirmation. *

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at moment of

> > > Judgement.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Plaets** in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could govern

SUB-

> > SUB

> > > od Birth

> > > > >> ASC.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Here*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Venus sun is available for given time of birth*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Venus is not effective RP at TOJ*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup is next

So

> > sub-

> > > sub will

> > > > >> be either Rah OR Jup*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108 and see

what

> > > is in

> > > > >> Lagna*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier or 1

min 4

> > > sec Later*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *This gives SEX as FEMALE*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Please work out chart and Confirm Education and past life

> > > Events before

> > > > >> accepting it.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Comments of experts are requested.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Hope this exercise helps to some extent.*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> **

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *OM** TAT SAT*

> > > > >>

> > > > >> *Swami_rcs** *

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 28, 2008

Resp Yogesh Rao sir and members,

its IST as given by parents of the lady.

For some days i was not able to check mails so mails

got accumulated so i cd not cast charts as per

rectified times given by swami and Dr Luther,and i m

very busy these days i will try to cast charts,

but sir recent mail of Shri TW has shown results in

tune with my doubt regarding method advocated by u, if

u dont take it otherwise my calculation says that

whenever sub-sub subs having larger time frame will

come into action the rule is going to either fail or

will give time beyond + - 30 min as in this case,

other rules as given by urself and other members shd

be looked upon and a universally acceptable rule with

no fallback or criticism shd be developed,

regards

Asheesh

--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

> Dear Asheesh,

> Read ur mail to Swami RCS...

> Kindly check whether the

> parents have given you the LOCAL time...or IST...

> I have lived in Indore for

> many years,and during those times,people used to set

> their clocks to the Local time,even the Hukumchand

> Palace clock used to show the local time...

> Kindly do check and let me

> know...asap.

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> Asheesh <ni_ash1

>

> Tuesday, 19 August, 2008 11:22:00 PM

> Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION

>

> Dear swami,

>

> it was a very good effort on ur part,but in my

> openion

> its lot of exercise and not very easy to understand

> for a beginner like me,i will try to understand that

>

> and will try to figure out things as per this birth

> time,but i casted chart with the time u rectified

> ,still sub and sub-sub of asc are not tallying with

> str lord and sub of moon,and it will not tally any

> way

> because using method suggested BY LY Rao they will

> fall more than 30 min away from given time,

>

> to conclude ,whatever reference be given by

> respected

> members for this method asc sub and sub-sub for str

> lord and sub of moon ,in my openion this method will

> not do justice to BTR,simply because every second a

> birth is taking place somewhere ,according to this

> method it had become a precondition for birth to

> take

> place, which is not the truth.we shd try to find

> some

> new means for BTR,for BTR accuracy shd be 95%+ and

> possibly 100% for at least 100 charts study,ie it

> must

> be a foolproof and easy method and shd be logically

> justified and acceptable to all,criticism is most

> welcome

>

> regards

> Asheesh

>

> --- swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> > " Asheesh " <ni_ash1 >

> > <@gro ups.com>

> > Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

> > Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM

> >

> > Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,

> >

> > i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady

> > using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for

> > moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are

> > coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,

> > which is not the case as confirmed by parents of

> > lady,

> > Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so

> > that i may try to fix the marriage period, I would

> > like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being

> > faced in marriage talks which may be due to

> > punarphoo as per chart casted with time given,

> > DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female .

> > Regards Asheesh

> >

> > thanks and regards

> > Asheesh

> >

> > Dear Asheesh,

> > Please look below

> > Ignore if it confuses yoou.

> > Step 1.

> > Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP

> > Ayanamsa.

> > ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve

> >

> > Step work out RP for Time of judgment

> > Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india

> > TIME chart

> > SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa

> > MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju

> > MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve

> > MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa

> > JUPI : Sg 019:18:13 Ju Ve Ra Ke

> > VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma

> > SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me

> > RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra

> > KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra

> >

> > RUILING PLANETS

> > ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn

> > Venus

> > MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju

> > DAY LORD MOON

> > The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.

> > Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon

> both

> > are in RP

> > So include Nodes in RP

> > RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.

> > Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO

> > Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and

> > Ven

> > So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu

> > Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of

> > Judgement will agree Or tally with

> > ( i) RP at birth; or

> > ( ii) Rasi const sub and SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.

> > Here we see

> > RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.

> > First ( i) does not apply.

> > Rectification needed.

> > SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:

> > SAT >> VEN

> > Both are different Sat is in Venus Star

> > So no change at sign level needed

> > STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?

> > Jup>> Moon

> > Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB

> > Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven

> > star Jup sub.Conn established. No rectification

> > needed.

> > SUB LEVEL CONNECTION

> > MERC>>VEN

> > MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr - JUP

> > sub

> > JUP connects .

> > No change needed

> > Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex

> > Confirmation.

> > RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally with RP at

> moment

> > of Judgement.

> > Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC

> > Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could

> > govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.

> > The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.

> > Here

> > Venus sun is available for given time of birth

> > Venus is not effective RP at TOJ

> > NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.

> > Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.

> > Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup

> is

> > next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup

> > This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM

> > Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108

> and

> > see what is in Lagna

> > ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier

> or

> > 1 min 4 sec Later

> > SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM

> > This gives SEX as FEMALE

> > Please work out chart and Confirm Education and

> past

> > life Events before accepting it.

> > Comments of experts are requested.

> > Hope this exercise helps to some extent.

> >

> > OM TAT SAT

> > Swami_rcs

> >

>

> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading

> messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger./

August 29, 2008

Dear Asheesh Sir,

Your doubt and concusion is absolutely correct.

I had already mentioned this problem of + or - 20 to 30 minutes to L.Y.Rao Sir thro' mail sometime back. (Pl check messages under the heading BTR confusion.)

Asc Sublord has to have connection to Birth Moon position in one way or other.

That is enough. Need not be in the precise way as Rao Ji recommends. Shri.M.P.Shnamugam, in "Astrosecrets-Part 1", has given four important steps to check the correctness of the given birth time. This formula is the eye opener for us. Pl get that and give your results after trying them out initially.

After that, I shall give my recommendations as propunded by me in my KP-Mk Formula for Birth Time Verification. (mind the word- it's 'Verification' and not 'Rectification' to start with.)Will be back with you soon.With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025

Asheesh <ni_ash1 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:55:40 PMRe: mail_BTR CONFUSION

Resp Yogesh Rao sir and members,its IST as given by parents of the lady.For some days i was not able to check mails so mailsgot accumulated so i cd not cast charts as perrectified times given by swami and Dr Luther,and i mvery busy these days i will try to cast charts,but sir recent mail of Shri TW has shown results intune with my doubt regarding method advocated by u, ifu dont take it otherwise my calculation says thatwhenever sub-sub subs having larger time frame willcome into action the rule is going to either fail orwill give time beyond + - 30 min as in this case,other rules as given by urself and other members shdbe looked upon and a universally acceptable rule withno fallback or criticism shd be developed,regardsAsheesh--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> Dear Asheesh,> Read ur mail to Swami RCS...> Kindly check whether the> parents have given you the LOCAL time...or IST...> I have lived in Indore for> many years,and during those times,people used to set> their clocks to the Local time,even the Hukumchand> Palace clock used to show the local time...> Kindly

do check and let me> know...asap.> L.Y.Rao.> > > > > Asheesh <ni_ash1 >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 19 August, 2008 11:22:00 PM> Re: mail_BTR CONFUSION> > > Dear swami,> > it was a very good effort on ur part,but in my> openion> its lot of exercise and not very easy to understand> for a beginner like me,i will try to understand that> > and will try to figure out things as per

this birth> time,but i casted chart with the time u rectified> ,still sub and sub-sub of asc are not tallying with> str lord and sub of moon,and it will not tally any> way> because using method suggested BY LY Rao they will> fall more than 30 min away from given time,> > to conclude ,whatever reference be given by> respected> members for this method asc sub and sub-sub for str> lord and sub of moon ,in my openion this method will> not do justice to BTR,simply because every second a> birth is taking place somewhere ,according to this> method it had become a precondition for birth to> take> place, which is not the truth.we shd try to find> some> new means for BTR,for BTR accuracy shd be 95%+ and> possibly 100% for at least 100 charts study,ie it> must> be a foolproof and easy method and shd be logically>

justified and acceptable to all,criticism is most> welcome> > regards> Asheesh> > --- swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:> > > "Asheesh" <ni_ash1 >> > <@ gro ups.com>> > Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > Monday, August 18, 2008 10:10 PM> > > > Respected shri Yogesh Rao and members,> > > > i am unable to rectify the birth time of this lady> > using the method described by shri yogesh rao,for> > moon str lord-sub lord the asc sub and sub-sub are> > coming more than 1/2 hr away from the time given,> > which is not the case as confirmed by parents of> > lady,> > Pl help me in finding out correct birth time, so> > that i may try to fix the marriage

period, I would> > like to mention that a lot of obstacles are being> > faced in marriage talks which may be due to> > punarphoo as per chart casted with time given, > > DOB : 15.01.1982,3PM, indore,female . > > Regards Asheesh> > > > thanks and regards> > Asheesh> > > > Dear Asheesh,> > Please look below> > Ignore if it confuses yoou.> > Step 1.> > Caste chart For given data Say taking New KP> > Ayanamsa.> > ASC: is Ta 020:35:24 Ve Mo Ve Ve> > > > Step work out RP for Time of judgment> > Say it is 19 Aug 2008 at 12:17:07 at AGRA india> > TIME chart > > SUN: Le 002:17:32 Su Ke Ve Sa> > MOO: Aq 025:17:04 Sa Ju Me Ju> > MARS : Vi 005:42:30 Me Su Me Ve> > MERC : Le 020:32:18 Su Ve Ju Sa> > JUPI : Sg 019:18:13

Ju Ve Ra Ke> > VENUS: Le 021:35:43 Su Ve Ju Ma> > SATURN: Le 015:59:22 Su Ve Su Me> > RAH: Cp 024:14:07 Sa Ma Ra Ra> > KETU: Cn 024:14:07 Mo Me Ra Ra> > > > RUILING PLANETS> > ASC at TOJ: TA Venus Moon Saturn> > Venus > > MOON at TOJ: AQ Sa Ju Me Ju> > DAY LORD MOON> > The primary RPs are Mo, Ju, Ve, Sa.> > Nodes are in Sign of Sat and moon. Sat and moon> both> > are in RP> > So include Nodes in RP> > RP are Mo,JU,VE,SA, Ra,KE.> > Reject Planets in star of Retrograde Planets MO> > Reject Planets in Sub of retrograde Planets ME and> > Ven> > So Effective RP are JUP, SA, Ra and Ketu> > Now First rule is Ruiling planets at time of> > Judgement will agree Or tally with > > ( i) RP at birth; or > > ( ii) Rasi const sub and

SUB_SUB of ASC at Birth.> > Here we see> > RP at Birth were Moon Venus Moon Merc Venus.> > First ( i) does not apply.> > Rectification needed.> > SIGN LEVEL SUB-STAR connection CHECK:> > SAT >> VEN> > Both are different Sat is in Venus Star> > So no change at sign level needed> > STAR LEVEL CONNECTION CHECK?> > Jup>> Moon> > Both are different. JUP = Venus star- Rah SUB> > Moon= Jup star Mec Sub Third Planet MERC is Ven> > star Jup sub.Conn established. No rectification> > needed.> > SUB LEVEL CONNECTION> > MERC>>VEN> > MER= Ven star- Jup sub and VEN Is Venus satr - JUP> > sub> > JUP connects .> > No change needed> > Last stage Part A SUB Sub level and Sex> > Confirmation.> > RULE ASC sub- sub will also tally

with RP at> moment> > of Judgement.> > Moon star- sub may be Sub and sub-sub of Birth ASC> > Plaets in uday/ asta houses in TOJ chart could> > govern SUB-SUB od Birth ASC.> > The Plt that confirms Sex will be Final.> > Here> > Venus sun is available for given time of birth> > Venus is not effective RP at TOJ> > NO planet is in uday/ asta in TOJ chart.> > Star and Sub of Tatkalik moon are Jup and Merc.> > Nodes are in effective RP so Rahu is nearest jup> is> > next So sub-sub will be either Rah OR Jup> > This gives time range 3:03 to 3:04 PM> > Caste chart taking Lahri Ayanamsa and find D 108> and> > see what is in Lagna> > ASC in D 108 is Leo .SO BT will be 12 sec earlier> or> > 1 min 4 sec Later> > SO time of Birth is 3: 04:12 PM> > This

gives SEX as FEMALE> > Please work out chart and Confirm Education and> past> > life Events before accepting it.> > Comments of experts are requested.> > Hope this exercise helps to some extent.> > > > OM TAT SAT> > Swami_rcs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading> messenger. Go to http://in.webmessen ger.. com/

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