Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Friends, I agree to Gopalakrishnan ji to some extent. We must understand that there is nothing like fix boundaries in astrology. Take the note of few of the physics rules - Newton's law of Gravity We all know that all particle apply gravitational force to all other particles in the universe. The force may be different strength, but it is always there. Closer the particles are, more is the gravitational force but it doesn't mean that the force will not be there on other particles in universe. If we apply similar rule to astrological forces, we can conclude one important point. There is no clearcut boundaries for rasi, nakshatra and cusps. Only the influence reduces on the further points. The orb is just to guide you but if we take it as an exact point, we are bound to make the mistake. In my opinion, planetary effects are of flowing nature and not a fixed. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A pricple like Heisenber is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 wrote: Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Contribution of planets to the houses " kpsystem groups " Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Punit, On our site,don't you think Murphy's Law is seen to be working very well ? Kind regards, L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008 11:26:01 AMRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Dear Friends, I agree to Gopalakrishnan ji to some extent. We must understand that there is nothing like fix boundaries in astrology. Take the note of few of the physics rules - Newton's law of Gravity We all know that all particle apply gravitational force to all other particles in the universe. The force may be different strength, but it is always there. Closer the particles are, more is the gravitational force but it doesn't mean that the force will not be there on other particles in universe. If we apply similar rule to astrological forces, we can conclude one important point. There is no clearcut boundaries for rasi, nakshatra and cusps. Only the influence reduces on the further points. The orb is just to guide you but if we take it as an exact point, we are bound to make the mistake. In my opinion, planetary effects are of flowing nature and not a fixed. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A pricple like Heisenber is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Respected members, Sir/Madam, It is vert difficult to take astrology to the level of science, not because its prediction go wrong, but because the basic tenets on which it stands,viz. that the future of human beings is predetermined and that the planets exert their influence on each and every thing in human-life, have not been proved so far. Michel Gauquelin was the only astrologer/scientist who tried to establish this connection by studying thousands of horoscopes of sportsmen and professionals and submitting his thesis with statistical data but his claims were refuted by other scientists who collected their own data independently to contradict his claims. Take the example of Metrorology. Its forecasts manytimes go wrong but it is recognised as a science because it is founded on proven principles. This nis my point of view and nothing else. Regards, sujat . , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I agree to Gopalakrishnan ji to some extent. We must understand that there > is nothing like fix boundaries in astrology. Take the note of few of the > physics rules - > > *Newton's law of Gravity* > We all know that all particle apply gravitational force to all other > particles in the universe. The force may be different strength, but it is > always there. Closer the particles are, more is the gravitational force but > it doesn't mean that the force will not be there on other particles in > universe. > > If we apply similar rule to astrological forces, we can conclude one > important point. There is no clearcut boundaries for rasi, nakshatra and > cusps. Only the influence reduces on the further points. The orb is just to > guide you but if we take it as an exact point, we are bound to make the > mistake. In my opinion, planetary effects are of flowing nature and not a > fixed. > > *Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty* > At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form > or wave form. > > We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies > demonstrates uncertainties. > > A pricple like Heisenber is very much required in astrology to take it to > the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep > fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the > particle and hence all the theories based on that. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer < > subragops3 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, > > > > I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are > > based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of > > planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the > > cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > > principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it > > clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply > > obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will > > have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the > > other cusps. > > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first > > two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the > > 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? > > Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there > > is no end and the results will be highly diffused. > > > > These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > > > > Regards > > S.Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan* wrote: > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > > Contribution of planets to the houses > > " kpsystem groups " > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM > > > > > > Dear Raichur > > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the > > second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 > > degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first > > cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 > > degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, > > planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first > > cusp. > > > > Planet > > DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP > > CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A > > 0 > > 30 > > 100 > > 0 > > B > > 5 > > 25 > > 80 > > 20 > > C > > 10 > > 20 > > 60 > > 40 > > D > > 14 > > 16 > > 55 > > 45 > > E > > 16 > > 14 > > 45 > > 55 > > F > > 20 > > 10 > > 40 > > 60 > > G > > 25 > > 5 > > 20 > > 80 > > H > > 30 > > 0 > > 0 > > 100 > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for > > first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That > > does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The > > planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to > > the first house. > > > > Am I correct? > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Punit Pandey Ji, The lab tested scientific truths also are proved wrong by another Scientist in a deffered date. What is the width of the line joining one bhava and the other,may be thousands of miles?! We need to depend on approximation. Orthodox astrologers are of very definite idea that God has given them the illusion and intiution that no one can predict like they do. Here we depend more upon our calculations. However everything has their limits. So to say the more and more accuracy we try ,we are likely to commit more mistakes,leave aside the influence of rahu-ketu. Thanks Regards tkp ghopal--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 5:56 AM Dear Friends, I agree to Gopalakrishnan ji to some extent. We must understand that there is nothing like fix boundaries in astrology. Take the note of few of the physics rules - Newton's law of Gravity We all know that all particle apply gravitational force to all other particles in the universe. The force may be different strength, but it is always there. Closer the particles are, more is the gravitational force but it doesn't mean that the force will not be there on other particles in universe. If we apply similar rule to astrological forces, we can conclude one important point. There is no clearcut boundaries for rasi, nakshatra and cusps. Only the influence reduces on the further points. The orb is just to guide you but if we take it as an exact point, we are bound to make the mistake. In my opinion, planetary effects are of flowing nature and not a fixed. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A pricple like Heisenber is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I appreciate your inquisitiveness to know the real truth of astrology. But in the process, please do not get mixed up with so many different "systems of thought" enunciated by the ancients. Let us focus only on the KP system. I will ask you a simple question with the following information. Please enlighten me with your thoughts. Lagna - 0 deg AriesSaturn - 333 deg 20 min Pisces. Please tell me what will be the effects of Saturn for all the twelve houses. For the sake of simplicity, I have omitted the position of other planets. Thanks and Regards S.Gopalakrishnan--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:04 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comWednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dear Pandey In my own chart DOB: 5-8-1954 Time: 17.19 PM IST Place: Salem, Tamilnadu Jupiter is in his own star. Saggitarius lagna. Jupiter is in 6, ownership of 1,3 and 12. But my marriage was in Jupiter dasa without any problem. In 4 fold table, jupiter is not a prime significator. I have completed my B.E. degrre in Jupiter dasa. My first appointment in Jupiter dasa. My marriage, first child, second child and my M.E. degree and my 4 promotions were in jupiter dasa. Jupiter is at 23 degree in Gemini and the 7th cusp is 28 degree in Gemini. I want to come to the prediction side little bit later. I have lot of chart with me. Definetly we will discuss. Thank you Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:04 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comWednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Dear members I have already sent reply to Mr.Gopalakrishnan. If anyone having in doubt in my message I am willing to clear. Need not confuse yourself. Dhanabalan Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_tkp wrote: Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_tkpRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:51 PM Dear Punit Pandey Ji, The lab tested scientific truths also are proved wrong by another Scientist in a deffered date. What is the width of the line joining one bhava and the other,may be thousands of miles?! We need to depend on approximation. Orthodox astrologers are of very definite idea that God has given them the illusion and intiution that no one can predict like they do. Here we depend more upon our calculations. However everything has their limits. So to say the more and more accuracy we try ,we are likely to commit more mistakes,leave aside the influence of rahu-ketu. Thanks Regards tkp ghopal--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comWednesday, August 13, 2008, 5:56 AM Dear Friends, I agree to Gopalakrishnan ji to some extent. We must understand that there is nothing like fix boundaries in astrology. Take the note of few of the physics rules - Newton's law of Gravity We all know that all particle apply gravitational force to all other particles in the universe. The force may be different strength, but it is always there. Closer the particles are, more is the gravitational force but it doesn't mean that the force will not be there on other particles in universe. If we apply similar rule to astrological forces, we can conclude one important point. There is no clearcut boundaries for rasi, nakshatra and cusps. Only the influence reduces on the further points. The orb is just to guide you but if we take it as an exact point, we are bound to make the mistake. In my opinion, planetary effects are of flowing nature and not a fixed. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A pricple like Heisenber is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Mr Dhanabalan Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. Regards Dr Sheetal On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Sheetal I have sent my birth chart already. In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem. If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage. Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. Please go throuigh the chart Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalagRe: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Mr Dhanabalan Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. Regards Dr Sheetal On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.comWednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan Your birth chart is not a practically solved query by any of ur own method. It is your personal query, doubt or may be your confusion !!! We need your practically solved stepwise ( by your method) query with correct prediction either by horary or by natal chart. Thanks Sheetal On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Sheetal I have sent my birth chart already. In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem. If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage. Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. Please go throuigh the chart Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalag Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Mr Dhanabalan Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. Regards Dr Sheetal On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses @gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 dear dhanabalan, pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. PLANET : JUPITERItself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)(9)jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage 1-6-2-10 for service and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you -sunil gondhalekar On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Sheetal I have sent my birth chart already. In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem. If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage. Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. Please go throuigh the chart Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalag Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Mr Dhanabalan Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. Regards Dr Sheetal On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 || Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,Friends But, Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention BT used by him is rectified. Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used is alright.? OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs:http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."-- - sunil gondhalekar Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM Re: Contribution of planets to the houses dear dhanabalan, pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. PLANET : JUPITERItself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)(9)jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage 1-6-2-10 for service and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you -sunil gondhalekar On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > wrote: Dear Sheetal I have sent my birth chart already. In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem. If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage. Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. Please go throuigh the chart Dhanabalan --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag > wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalag >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Mr Dhanabalan Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. Regards Dr Sheetal On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dhanabalan ji, Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. How we are taking the signification? The houses owned and the house occupied. The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. The house occupied by the planet only differs. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >Re: Contribution of planets to the houses@gro ups.com Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Contribution of planets to the houses "kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM Dear Raichur Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % A 0 30 100 0 B 5 25 80 20 C 10 20 60 40 D 14 16 55 45 E 16 14 45 55 F 20 10 40 60 G 25 5 20 80 H 30 0 0 100 Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. Am I correct? 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji, Is the 7th not taken anymore? In the case of Jup, Sa aspects 4, and Ve aspects 3 are not taken. Thanks and regards, tw Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA 23:07:59 Marriage date 4-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven-Jup) 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah-Ket): First appointment in Government company 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah-Mer): First female child born 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven-Sat): Second male child born on 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup-Mer):Removed from service 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) Printed on: August 18 2008 Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa Planets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10 Ma conj 12 Ve conj 9 Sa conj 10 Ke conj Ju Me is aspected by Ma Ra is aspected by Ju Mo aspects 4 Ma aspects 3, 6 Ve aspects 3 Sa aspects 4 Planet Ke: Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ve: Cnj 9 Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9 Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 Sublord of Mo is Su: Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Planet Ma: Cnj 12 Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3) Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9 Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 Planet Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Planet Me: Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Me is Ra: Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear dhanabalan, > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. > PLANET : JUPITER > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5) (9) > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage > 1-6-2-10 for service > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you > -sunil gondhalekar > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal > > > > I have sent my birth chart already. > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 > > houses but there was marriage without any problem. > > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies > > marriage. > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. > > > > Please go throuigh the chart > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On *Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag* wrote: > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. > > Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so > > that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory > > and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your > > method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need > > 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it > > is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical > > application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of > > prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. > > > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com<punitp > > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Dhanabalan ji, > >> > >> Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are > >> saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come > >> back with the results? > >> > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> > >> Punit Pandey > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ <r.dhanabalan > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of > >>> KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and > >>> the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake > >>> of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > >>> How we are taking the signification? > >>> The houses owned and the house occupied. > >>> The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. > >>> The house occupied by the planet only differs. > >>> In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava > >>> begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. > >>> In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from > >>> the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between > >>> 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. > >>> First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first > >>> cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 > >>> degree in Aries only. > >>> How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. > >>> Please forget about all the things you read already for the short > >>> period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand > >>> what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and > >>> think. > >>> It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any > >>> technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. > >>> Dhanabalan > >>> > >>> --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 <subragops3 > >>> >* wrote: > >>> > >>> Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 (AT) (DOT) com<subragops3 > >>> > > >>> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > >>> @gro ups.com > >>> Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM > >>> > >>> Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, > >>> > >>> I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which > >>> are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of > >>> contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning > >>> away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the > >>> fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their > >>> starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power > >>> to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in > >>> the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp > >>> and so on with the other cusps. > >>> > >>> Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the > >>> first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all > >>> the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the > >>> cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like > >>> this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. > >>> > >>> These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> S.Gopalakrishnan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >* wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > >>> Contribution of planets to the houses > >>> > >>> " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > >>> > >>> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM > >>> > >>> Dear Raichur > >>> > >>> Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the > >>> second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 > >>> degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first > >>> cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 > >>> degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, > >>> planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > >>> from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first > >>> cusp. > >>> > >>> Planet > >>> DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > >>> DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > >>> A > >>> 0 > >>> 30 > >>> 100 > >>> 0 > >>> B > >>> 5 > >>> 25 > >>> 80 > >>> 20 > >>> C > >>> 10 > >>> 20 > >>> 60 > >>> 40 > >>> D > >>> 14 > >>> 16 > >>> 55 > >>> 45 > >>> E > >>> 16 > >>> 14 > >>> 45 > >>> 55 > >>> F > >>> 20 > >>> 10 > >>> 40 > >>> 60 > >>> G > >>> 25 > >>> 5 > >>> 20 > >>> 80 > >>> H > >>> 30 > >>> 0 > >>> 0 > >>> 100 > >>> > >>> Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for > >>> first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That > >>> does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The > >>> planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to > >>> the first house. > >>> > >>> Am I correct? > >>> > >>> Dhanabalan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 dear shri tinwin, in many cases 5-8 houses works for 2-7-11 houses. the aspects in this case are not useful for relevant subject,and thats why not mentioned,but it has the effects. can you check gender of the kids?,it is also correct. -sunil gondhalekar On 8/19/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Is the 7th not taken anymore? In the case of Jup, Sa aspects 4, and Ve aspects 3 are not taken.Thanks and regards,twDhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA 23:07:59Marriage date 4-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven-Jup) 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah-Ket): First appointment in Government company 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah-Mer): First female child born 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven-Sat): Second male child born on 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup-Mer):Removed from service 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)Printed on: August 18 2008Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, SaPlanets in own stars (*): Ju Mo conj 10Ma conj 12Ve conj 9Sa conj 10Ke conj JuMe is aspected by MaRa is aspected by JuMo aspects 4Ma aspects 3, 6Ve aspects 3Sa aspects 4Planet Ke:Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3Planet Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3Planet Su:Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12Sublord of Mo is Su:Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) Planet Ma: Cnj 12Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6,Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3)Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9Starlord of Ve is Su: 7Planet Ra:Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9)Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3Planet Me:Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3 Sublord of Me is Ra:Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear dhanabalan,> pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time.> PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12> It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)> It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12> Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5) (9)> > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> 1-6-2-10 for service> and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you> -sunil gondhalekar> > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:> >> > Dear Sheetal> >> > I have sent my birth chart already. > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8> > houses but there was marriage without any problem.> >> > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies> > marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage.> >> > Please go throuigh the chart> >> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On *Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag* wrote:> >> >> > Sheetal <ratnamalag> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > Mr Dhanabalan> >> > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow.> > Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so> > that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory> > and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your> > method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need> > 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it> > is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical> > application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of> > prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. > >> > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> >> >> >> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com<punitp > > > wrote:> >> >> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >>> >> Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are> >> saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come> >> back with the results?> >>> >> Thanks & Regards,> >>> >> Punit Pandey> >>> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ <r.dhanabalan > >> > wrote:> >>> >>> Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general principle of> >>> KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and> >>> the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake> >>> of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses.> >>> How we are taking the signification? > >>> The houses owned and the house occupied.> >>> The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this.> >>> The house occupied by the planet only differs.> >>> In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava> >>> begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I.> >>> In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from> >>> the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between> >>> 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II.> >>> First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first> >>> cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5> >>> degree in Aries only.> >>> How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house.> >>> Please forget about all the things you read already for the short> >>> period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand> >>> what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and> >>> think. > >>> It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any> >>> technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you.> >>> Dhanabalan> >>> > >>> --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 <subragops3> >>> >* wrote:> >>>> >>> Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 (AT) (DOT) com<subragops3> >>> >> >>> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> >>> @gro ups.com > >>> Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> >>>> >>> Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> >>>> >>> I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which> >>> are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of> >>> contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning> >>> away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the> >>> fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their> >>> starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power> >>> to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in> >>> the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp> >>> and so on with the other cusps.> >>>> >>> Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the> >>> first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all> >>> the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the> >>> cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like> >>> this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> >>>> >>> These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner.> >>>> >>> Regards > >>> S.Gopalakrishnan> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >* wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > >>> Contribution of planets to the houses> >>>> >>> " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > >>>> >>> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM> >>>> >>> Dear Raichur> >>>> >>> Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the> >>> second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0> >>> degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first> >>> cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14> >>> degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp,> >>> planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree> >>> from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first> >>> cusp.> >>>> >>> Planet> >>> DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP> >>> DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP> >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %> >>> A> >>> 0> >>> 30> >>> 100> >>> 0> >>> B> >>> 5 > >>> 25> >>> 80> >>> 20> >>> C> >>> 10> >>> 20> >>> 60> >>> 40> >>> D> >>> 14 > >>> 16> >>> 55> >>> 45> >>> E> >>> 16> >>> 14> >>> 45> >>> 55> >>> F> >>> 20 > >>> 10> >>> 40> >>> 60> >>> G> >>> 25> >>> 5> >>> 20> >>> 80> >>> H> >>> 30 > >>> 0> >>> 0> >>> 100> >>>> >>> Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for> >>> first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That> >>> does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The> >>> planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to > >>> the first house.> >>>> >>> Am I correct?> >>>> >>> Dhanabalan> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Dear Sunil Ji, I have a small point to add. Jupiter in self constellation is strong. It's 5th and 9th aspects are also considered significant. Jup is aspecting 11th house which is one of the houses signifying marriage. By another theory as Jupiter is in self constellation Saturn is promoted at star level and it signifies 2nd house. Marriage was celebrated in Jup/Mer/Ven DBA and Mer and Ven both are strong significators of 7th. The chain completes for 2-7-11 First Job- Jup/sat/rahu Jup 2,11 Sat 2,10 Rah- Starlord Ve -10,8,5 signlord Jup 6 DBA is covering 2,6 and 10 1st Child (5) Jup/Mer/Rah DBA signifies 2, 5 and 11 2nd Child (7) Jup/Ve/Ve Jup 2, 11 Ven 7 The chain of 2-7-11 is complete for the second child Thanks, Rajendra , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear shri tinwin, > in many cases 5-8 houses works for 2-7-11 houses. > the aspects in this case are not useful for relevant subject,and thats why > not mentioned,but it has the effects. > can you check gender of the kids?,it is also correct. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 8/19/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji, > > > > Is the 7th not taken anymore? > > > > In the case of Jup, Sa aspects 4, and > > Ve aspects 3 are not taken. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA > > 23:07:59 > > > > Marriage date 4-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven-Jup) > > 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah-Ket): First appointment in Government company > > 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah-Mer): First female child born > > 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven-Sat): Second male child born on > > 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup-Mer):Removed from service > > > > 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0) > > Printed on: August 18 2008 > > > > Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11 > > Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa > > Planets in own stars (*): Ju > > > > Mo conj 10 > > Ma conj 12 > > Ve conj 9 > > Sa conj 10 > > Ke conj Ju > > > > Me is aspected by Ma > > Ra is aspected by Ju > > Mo aspects 4 > > Ma aspects 3, 6 > > Ve aspects 3 > > Sa aspects 4 > > > > Planet Ke: > > Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > > > Planet Ve: Cnj 9 > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 > > Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > > > Planet Su: > > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) > > Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9 > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 > > > > Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10 > > Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12 > > Sublord of Mo is Su: > > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12) > > > > Planet Ma: Cnj 12 > > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, > > Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3) > > Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9 > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7 > > > > Planet Ra: > > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 > > Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > > > Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 > > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) > > > > Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10 > > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) > > Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > > > Planet Me: > > Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > > Sublord of Me is Ra: > > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9 > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear dhanabalan, > > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. > > > PLANET : JUPITER > > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > > (1) (3) 12 > > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5) > > (9) > > > > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage > > > 1-6-2-10 for service > > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. > > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > > by you > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal > > > > > > > > I have sent my birth chart already. > > > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify > > 2,7,11,5,8 > > > > houses but there was marriage without any problem. > > > > > > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > > signifies > > > > marriage. > > > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Please go throuigh the chart > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag@> > > > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u > > follow. > > > > Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise > > solved query so > > > > that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont > > write theory > > > > and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. > > If your > > > > method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. > > We need > > > > 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your > > knowledge it > > > > is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with > > practical > > > > application or solved query. So I request you to share your > > method of > > > > prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com<punitp@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > >> > > > >> Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support > > what you are > > > >> saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to > > research and come > > > >> back with the results? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks & Regards, > > > >> > > > >> Punit Pandey > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general > > principle of > > > >>> KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of > > starlord and > > > >>> the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > > for the sake > > > >>> of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > >>> How we are taking the signification? > > > >>> The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > >>> The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. > > > >>> The house occupied by the planet only differs. > > > >>> In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 > > degree(bhava > > > >>> begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. > > > >>> In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 > > degree from > > > >>> the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets > > posited between > > > >>> 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. > > > >>> First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If > > the first > > > >>> cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system > > falls in 5 > > > >>> degree in Aries only. > > > >>> How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the > > second house. > > > >>> Please forget about all the things you read already for the > > short > > > >>> period and study calmly my message and the table given. You > > will understand > > > >>> what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come > > out of it and > > > >>> think. > > > >>> It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you > > have any > > > >>> technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify > > you. > > > >>> Dhanabalan > > > >>> > > > >>> --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > > <subragops3 <subragops3@> > > > >>> >* wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 (AT) (DOT) > > com<subragops3@> > > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > >>> @gro ups.com < <%40>> > > > > > >>> Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, > > > >>> > > > >>> I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP > > rules which > > > >>> are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea > > of > > > >>> contribution of planets to houses with respect to their > > position (meaning > > > >>> away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly > > because the > > > >>> fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by > > their > > > >>> starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they > > have no power > > > >>> to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The > > starlords in > > > >>> the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to > > the first cusp > > > >>> and so on with the other cusps. > > > >>> > > > >>> Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict > > to the > > > >>> first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of > > planets to all > > > >>> the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed > > by all the > > > >>> cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we > > continue like > > > >>> this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. > > > >>> > > > >>> These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards > > > >>> S.Gopalakrishnan > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >* > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > > >>> Contribution of planets to the houses > > > >>> > > > >>> " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > > > >>> > > > >>> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Raichur > > > >>> > > > >>> Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries > > and the > > > >>> second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is > > posited at 0 > > > >>> degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree > > from first > > > >>> cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D > > is posited 14 > > > >>> degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from > > first cusp, > > > >>> planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is > > posited 25 degree > > > >>> from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from > > the first > > > >>> cusp. > > > >>> > > > >>> Planet > > > >>> DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > > > >>> DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP > > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > > >>> A > > > >>> 0 > > > >>> 30 > > > >>> 100 > > > >>> 0 > > > >>> B > > > >>> 5 > > > >>> 25 > > > >>> 80 > > > >>> 20 > > > >>> C > > > >>> 10 > > > >>> 20 > > > >>> 60 > > > >>> 40 > > > >>> D > > > >>> 14 > > > >>> 16 > > > >>> 55 > > > >>> 45 > > > >>> E > > > >>> 16 > > > >>> 14 > > > >>> 45 > > > >>> 55 > > > >>> F > > > >>> 20 > > > >>> 10 > > > >>> 40 > > > >>> 60 > > > >>> G > > > >>> 25 > > > >>> 5 > > > >>> 20 > > > >>> 80 > > > >>> H > > > >>> 30 > > > >>> 0 > > > >>> 0 > > > >>> 100 > > > >>> > > > >>> Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade > > significator for > > > >>> first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for > > second house. That > > > >>> does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the > > second house. The > > > >>> planet F contribution to the second house is more than its > > contribution to > > > >>> the first house. > > > >>> > > > >>> Am I correct? > > > >>> > > > >>> Dhanabalan > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 dear shri.nimje, in 4 step theory,aspect is considerd on cusp only and not on bhava. in the case jupiter plays the major role in events and that matches as per rules of 4step theory. thanks -sunil gondhalekar On 8/19/08, Rajendra Nimje <nimje wrote: Dear Sunil Ji,I have a small point to add.Jupiter in self constellation is strong. It's 5th and 9th aspects are also considered significant. Jup is aspecting 11th house which is one of the houses signifying marriage. By another theory as Jupiter is in self constellation Saturn is promoted at star level and it signifies 2nd house. Marriage was celebrated in Jup/Mer/Ven DBA and Mer and Ven both are strong significators of 7th. The chain completes for 2-7-11 First Job- Jup/sat/rahuJup 2,11Sat 2,10Rah- Starlord Ve -10,8,5signlord Jup 6DBA is covering 2,6 and 101st Child (5)Jup/Mer/RahDBA signifies 2, 5 and 11 2nd Child (7)Jup/Ve/Ve Jup 2, 11Ven 7The chain of 2-7-11 is complete for the second childThanks,Rajendra , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear shri tinwin,> in many cases 5-8 houses works for 2-7-11 houses.> the aspects in this case are not useful for relevant subject,and thats why> not mentioned,but it has the effects.> can you check gender of the kids?,it is also correct.> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 8/19/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji,> >> > Is the 7th not taken anymore?> > > > In the case of Jup, Sa aspects 4, and> > Ve aspects 3 are not taken.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> > Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA > > 23:07:59> >> > Marriage date 4-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven-Jup)> > 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah-Ket): First appointment in Government company> > 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah-Mer): First female child born > > 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven-Sat): Second male child born on> > 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup-Mer):Removed from service> >> > 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)> > Printed on: August 18 2008 > >> > Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11> > Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa> > Planets in own stars (*): Ju> >> > Mo conj 10> > Ma conj 12 > > Ve conj 9> > Sa conj 10> > Ke conj Ju> >> > Me is aspected by Ma> > Ra is aspected by Ju> > Mo aspects 4> > Ma aspects 3, 6> > Ve aspects 3 > > Sa aspects 4> >> > Planet Ke:> > Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> >> > Planet Ve: Cnj 9 > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> > Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> >> > Planet Su:> > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)> > Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> >> > Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12> > Sublord of Mo is Su: > > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj 12)> >> > Planet Ma: Cnj 12> > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6,> > Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3) > > Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> >> > Planet Ra:> > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9> > Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > >> > Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9) > >> > Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3, Cnj 9)> > Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3 > >> > Planet Me:> > Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > Sublord of Me is Ra:> > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9> >> > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear dhanabalan,> > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time.> > > PLANET : JUPITER> > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12> > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12> > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6)> > (1) (3) 12> > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)> > (9)> > >> > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage > > > 1-6-2-10 for service> > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned> > by you> > > -sunil gondhalekar > > >> > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sheetal> > > >> > > > I have sent my birth chart already. > > > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify> > 2,7,11,5,8> > > > houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > >> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > > signifies> > > > marriage.> > > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives> > marriage.> > > >> > > > Please go throuigh the chart > > > >> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >> > > > --- On *Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag@>* wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag@> > > > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > >> > > > Mr Dhanabalan> > > >> > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u > > follow.> > > > Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise> > solved query so> > > > that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont> > write theory > > > > and theory, which is of no use without practical applications.> > If your> > > > method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only.> > We need > > > > 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your> > knowledge it> > > > is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with> > practical> > > > application or solved query. So I request you to share your > > method of> > > > prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Dr Sheetal> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com<punitp@>> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > >>> > > >> Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support> > what you are> > > >> saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to > > research and come> > > >> back with the results?> > > >>> > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > >>> > > >> Punit Pandey > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > <r.dhanabalan@> > > > >> > wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general> > principle of> > > >>> KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of> > starlord and> > > >>> the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses> > for the sake> > > >>> of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > >>> How we are taking the signification?> > > >>> The houses owned and the house occupied.> > > >>> The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this.> > > >>> The house occupied by the planet only differs.> > > >>> In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0> > degree(bhava> > > >>> begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I.> > > >>> In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15> > degree from> > > >>> the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets> > posited between > > > >>> 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II.> > > >>> First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If> > the first> > > >>> cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system> > falls in 5> > > >>> degree in Aries only.> > > >>> How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the> > second house.> > > >>> Please forget about all the things you read already for the > > short> > > >>> period and study calmly my message and the table given. You> > will understand> > > >>> what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come> > out of it and> > > >>> think.> > > >>> It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you> > have any> > > >>> technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify> > you.> > > >>> Dhanabalan> > > >>>> > > >>> --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> > <subragops3 <subragops3@> > > > >>> >* wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 (AT) (DOT) > > com<subragops3@>> > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > >>> @gro ups.com < <%40>> > >> > > >>> Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, > > > >>>> > > >>> I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP> > rules which> > > >>> are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea> > of> > > >>> contribution of planets to houses with respect to their> > position (meaning> > > >>> away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly> > because the> > > >>> fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by> > their> > > >>> starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they> > have no power> > > >>> to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The> > starlords in> > > >>> the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to> > the first cusp> > > >>> and so on with the other cusps.> > > >>>> > > >>> Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict > > to the> > > >>> first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of> > planets to all> > > >>> the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed> > by all the> > > >>> cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we> > continue like> > > >>> this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > >>>> > > >>> These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner.> > > >>>> > > >>> Regards> > > >>> S.Gopalakrishnan > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >* > > wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > > >>> Contribution of planets to the houses> > > >>>> > > >>> " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > > > >>>> > > >>> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Raichur> > > >>>> > > >>> Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries> > and the> > > >>> second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is> > posited at 0> > > >>> degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree> > from first> > > >>> cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D> > is posited 14> > > >>> degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from > > first cusp,> > > >>> planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is> > posited 25 degree> > > >>> from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from> > the first> > > >>> cusp.> > > >>>> > > >>> Planet> > > >>> DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP> > > >>> DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP > > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN %> > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %> > > >>> A> > > >>> 0> > > >>> 30 > > > >>> 100> > > >>> 0> > > >>> B> > > >>> 5> > > >>> 25> > > >>> 80> > > >>> 20 > > > >>> C> > > >>> 10> > > >>> 20> > > >>> 60> > > >>> 40> > > >>> D> > > >>> 14 > > > >>> 16> > > >>> 55> > > >>> 45> > > >>> E> > > >>> 16> > > >>> 14> > > >>> 45 > > > >>> 55> > > >>> F> > > >>> 20> > > >>> 10> > > >>> 40> > > >>> 60> > > >>> G > > > >>> 25> > > >>> 5> > > >>> 20> > > >>> 80> > > >>> H> > > >>> 30> > > >>> 0 > > > >>> 0> > > >>> 100> > > >>>> > > >>> Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade> > significator for> > > >>> first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for > > second house. That> > > >>> does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the> > second house. The> > > >>> planet F contribution to the second house is more than its > > contribution to> > > >>> the first house.> > > >>>> > > >>> Am I correct?> > > >>>> > > >>> Dhanabalan > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Dear Friends, The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18- 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub. Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 houses. There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag. I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides Jup/Sat role in determining the year. Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are no fixed,water-tight,rules.for fear of ridicule,many do not express the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may be dispensed with. Regards, Satish , " swami " <swami wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah > Hari Om,Friends > But, > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention BT used by him is rectified. > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used is alright.? > > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer) > Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223; > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs: > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > ----------------------- > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > -- > > - > sunil gondhalekar > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > > dear dhanabalan, > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time. > PLANET : JUPITER > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12 > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5) (9) > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage > 1-6-2-10 for service > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service. > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you > -sunil gondhalekar > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > Dear Sheetal > > I have sent my birth chart already. > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem. > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage. > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage. > > Please go throuigh the chart > > Dhanabalan > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > > Sheetal <ratnamalag > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it. > > Regards > Dr Sheetal > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > How we are taking the signification? > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. > The house occupied by the planet only differs. > > In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. > > In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. > > Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. > > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote: > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan, > > I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. > > Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused. > > These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > > Regards > S.Gopalakrishnan > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > Contribution of planets to the houses > > " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM > > > Dear Raichur > > Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp. > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > A 0 30 100 0 > B 5 25 80 20 > C 10 20 60 40 > D 14 16 55 45 > E 16 14 45 55 > F 20 10 40 60 > G 25 5 20 80 > H 30 0 0 100 > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house. > > Am I correct? > > Dhanabalan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji, 1. Here what I'm trying is to make it clear for the 4 step lovers in using the computerised 4 step primary significators. 2. It may be better to show all the primary significators whether some are applicable or not applicable for the matter under consideration. Another thing it is not clear which one is the Astro-Kundli significators and which one is your own. In my presentation, it is always the KPAstro original print out of of the 4 step primary significators, according to the 4 step book, using 3.3333 orb. The options of any orb or without 7th aspect etc are available. 3. Here it is noted that the primary significators by conj. & aspect of the signlord of Rahu/Ketu are not to be included. The developer of KPAstro will be informed to make changes for this deviation from your clarification, although not mentioned in the 4 step book. 4. As you're using the Astro-Kundle, let me ask you how 8 & 7 in "1 Jupiter-Drusht (8) 6 9 Saturn-Drusht (7) 7 8", and 7 in "Saturn-Drusht (7) 7 8" are taken. Courtesy of Swami ji CHART: 15 MAY, 1963 12:05:00 PM IST, AHMEDABAD, 72E37 23N02 FOUR STEP THEORY DETAILED PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS.Figures shown in the brackets are the strong significators(Balwan Karyeshes) and the rest are weaker significators(Duyyam Karyeshes).First group represents the house in which the planet is deposited and the second group represents the houses owned by the planets. PLANET : KETUItself :-------------- Ketu:- 6 Cusp Yuti: (6) Rashi-Swami Saturn 7 7 8 Mars-Drusht 1 5 10It's N.Swami :-------- Sun:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) Mercury-Yuti (10) (3) 12It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Moon (6) 1 Moon-Drusht (6) 1 Jupiter-Drusht (8) 6 9 Saturn-Drusht (7) 7 8It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Jupiter:- (8) 6 9 Cusp Yuti: (9) Saturn-Drusht (7) 7 8Itself aspects :------ 1 Because they are not indicated by the KPAstro 3.0 as shown below. ORB 3.3333 DEG Planet Ke: Starlord of Ke is Su*: 10; 2 Sublord of Ke is Ra+: 12; Sgl Mo(6) Starlord of Ra is Ju: 8 ORB 5 DEG Planet Ke: Cnj 6 Starlord of Ke is Su*: 10; 2; Cnj Me(10, 3) Sublord of Ke is Ra+: 12; Sgl Mo(6); Cnj 12 Starlord of Ra is Ju: 8; Asp 3; Cnj 9 5. I think as per the 4 step book, 10 is not to be included in "> > Rah- Starlord Ve -10,8,5" below. > > First Job- Jup/sat/rahu> > Jup 2,11> > Sat 2,10> > Rah- Starlord Ve -10,8,5> > signlord Jup 6> > DBA is covering 2,6 and 10> > KPAstro 3.0 4 step significators> > > > Planet Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9> > > > Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > 6. Here could you make it clear to consider the primary significator by conj. and aspt by the starlord of Rahu/Ketu or not. In the case of signlord, it is already clear not to consier. Thanks and regards, tw - In , "sunil gondhalekar" <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear shri.nimje,> in 4 step theory,aspect is considerd on cusp only> and not on bhava.> in the case jupiter plays the major role in events and that matches> as per rules of 4step theory.> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 8/19/08, Rajendra Nimje nimje wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Ji,> > I have a small point to add.> > Jupiter in self constellation is strong. It's 5th and 9th aspects> > are also considered significant. Jup is aspecting 11th house which> > is one of the houses signifying marriage. By another theory as> > Jupiter is in self constellation Saturn is promoted at star level> > and it signifies 2nd house. Marriage was celebrated in Jup/Mer/Ven> > DBA and Mer and Ven both are strong significators of 7th. The chain> > completes for 2-7-11> >> > First Job- Jup/sat/rahu> > Jup 2,11> > Sat 2,10> > Rah- Starlord Ve -10,8,5> > signlord Jup 6> > DBA is covering 2,6 and 10> >> > 1st Child (5)> > Jup/Mer/Rah> > DBA signifies 2, 5 and 11> >> > 2nd Child (7)> > Jup/Ve/Ve> > Jup 2, 11> > Ven 7> > The chain of 2-7-11 is complete for the second child> >> > Thanks,> > Rajendra> >> > <%40>, "sunil> > gondhalekar"> > sunilalaka@ wrote:> > >> > > dear shri tinwin,> > > in many cases 5-8 houses works for 2-7-11 houses.> > > the aspects in this case are not useful for relevant subject,and> > thats why> > > not mentioned,but it has the effects.> > > can you check gender of the kids?,it is also correct.> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > >> > > On 8/19/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji,> > > >> > > > Is the 7th not taken anymore?> > > >> > > > In the case of Jup, Sa aspects 4, and> > > > Ve aspects 3 are not taken.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > Dhanabalan, 5-8-1954, 17.19 PM IST, Salem, Asc Sg 29:18:28, NKPA> > > > 23:07:59> > > >> > > > Marriage date 4-9-1978 (Jup-Mer-Ven-Jup)> > > > 04-7-1977 (Jup-Sat-Rah-Ket): First appointment in Government> > company> > > > 15-6-1979 (Jup-Mer-Rah-Mer): First female child born> > > > 02-7-1981 (Jup-Ven-Ven-Sat): Second male child born on> > > > 14-2-2002 (Sat-Mar-Jup-Mer):Removed from service> > > >> > > > 4 Step Significators (KPAstro 3.0)> > > > Printed on: August 18 2008> > > >> > > > Empty houses: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11> > > > Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa> > > > Planets in own stars (*): Ju> > > >> > > > Mo conj 10> > > > Ma conj 12> > > > Ve conj 9> > > > Sa conj 10> > > > Ke conj Ju> > > >> > > > Me is aspected by Ma> > > > Ra is aspected by Ju> > > > Mo aspects 4> > > > Ma aspects 3, 6> > > > Ve aspects 3> > > > Sa aspects 4> > > >> > > > Planet Ke:> > > > Starlord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Sublord of Ke is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > >> > > > Planet Ve: Cnj 9> > > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> > > > Sublord of Ve is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > >> > > > Planet Su:> > > > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj> > 12)> > > > Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 9> > > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> > > >> > > > Planet Mo+: 9; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > > > Starlord of Mo is Ma: 12; 4-11; Asp Me(7); Asp 3; Asp 6; Cnj 12> > > > Sublord of Mo is Su:> > > > Starlord of Su is Me: 7; Asp by Ma(12, 4-11, Asp 3, Asp 6, Cnj> > 12)> > > >> > > > Planet Ma: Cnj 12> > > > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Me(7, Asp by Ma[12, 4-11, Asp 3,> > Asp 6,> > > > Cnj 12]); Stl Ju(6, 1-3)> > > > Sublord of Ma is Ve: Cnj 9> > > > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7> > > >> > > > Planet Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9> > > > Sublord of Ra is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > >> > > > Planet Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Sublord of Ju is Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > > > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3,> > Cnj 9)> > > >> > > > Planet Sa+: 10; 2; Asp 4; Cnj 10> > > > Starlord of Sa is Ra: 12; Sgl Ju(6, 1-3); Stl Ve(8, 5, Asp 3,> > Cnj 9)> > > > Sublord of Sa is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > >> > > > Planet Me:> > > > Starlord of Me is Ju*: 6; 1-3> > > > Sublord of Me is Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ve: 8; 5; Asp 3; Cnj 9> > > >> > > > <%40><%> > 40>, "sunil> > > > gondhalekar"> > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > > > > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth> > time.> > > > > PLANET : JUPITER> > > > > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12> > > > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12> > > > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10)> > > > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6)> > > > (1) (3) 12> > > > > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)> > > > (9)> > > > >> > > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > > > > 1-6-2-10 for service> > > > > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > > > > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events> > mentioned> > > > by you> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sheetal> > > > > >> > > > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > > > > > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not> > signify> > > > 2,7,11,5,8> > > > > > houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > > >> > > > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it> > > > signifies> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which> > gives> > > > marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On *Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag@>* wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag@>> > > > > > Re: Contribution of planets to the> > houses> > > > > > <%40><%> > 40>> > > > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u> > > > follow.> > > > > > Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise> > > > solved query so> > > > > > that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont> > > > write theory> > > > > > and theory, which is of no use without practical> > applications.> > > > If your> > > > > > method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method> > only.> > > > We need> > > > > > 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your> > > > knowledge it> > > > > > is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with> > > > practical> > > > > > application or solved query. So I request you to share your> > > > method of> > > > > > prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Dr Sheetal> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) > > > > com<punitp@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support> > > > what you are> > > > > >> saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to> > > > research and come> > > > > >> back with the results?> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > <r.dhanabalan@>> > > > > >> > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Dear Gopalakrishnan We are not deviating the general> > > > principle of> > > > > >>> KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results> > of> > > > starlord and> > > > > >>> the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two> > houses> > > > for the sake> > > > > >>> of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses.> > > > > >>> How we are taking the signification?> > > > > >>> The houses owned and the house occupied.> > > > > >>> The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept> > this.> > > > > >>> The house occupied by the planet only differs.> > > > > >>> In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0> > > > degree(bhava> > > > > >>> begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house> > I.> > > > > >>> In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15> > > > degree from> > > > > >>> the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets> > > > posited between> > > > > >>> 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house> > II.> > > > > >>> First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If> > > > the first> > > > > >>> cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic> > system> > > > falls in 5> > > > > >>> degree in Aries only.> > > > > >>> How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the> > > > second house.> > > > > >>> Please forget about all the things you read already for the> > > > short> > > > > >>> period and study calmly my message and the table given. You> > > > will understand> > > > > >>> what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem.> > Come> > > > out of it and> > > > > >>> think.> > > > > >>> It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you> > > > have any> > > > > >>> technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to> > clarify> > > > you.> > > > > >>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> > > > subragops3 <subragops3@>> > > > > >>> >* wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer subragops3 (AT) (DOT) > > > > com<subragops3@>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> Re: Contribution of planets to the> > houses> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com> > <%40><%> > 40>>> > > >> > > > > >>> Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP> > > > rules which> > > > > >>> are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your> > idea> > > > of> > > > > >>> contribution of planets to houses with respect to their> > > > position (meaning> > > > > >>> away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance> > mainly> > > > because the> > > > > >>> fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by> > > > their> > > > > >>> starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and> > they> > > > have no power> > > > > >>> to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords.> > The> > > > starlords in> > > > > >>> the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related> > to> > > > the first cusp> > > > > >>> and so on with the other cusps.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you> > restrict> > > > to the> > > > > >>> first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of> > > > planets to all> > > > > >>> the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree> > encompassed> > > > by all the> > > > > >>> cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we> > > > continue like> > > > > >>> this, there is no end and the results will be highly> > diffused.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > >>> S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> --- On *Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > >*> > > > wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > > > >>> Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> "kpsystem groups" @gro ups.com>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Dear Raichur> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in> > Aries> > > > and the> > > > > >>> second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A> > is> > > > posited at 0> > > > > >>> degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5> > degree> > > > from first> > > > > >>> cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp,> > planet D> > > > is posited 14> > > > > >>> degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from> > > > first cusp,> > > > > >>> planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is> > > > posited 25 degree> > > > > >>> from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree> > from> > > > the first> > > > > >>> cusp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Planet> > > > > >>> DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP> > > > > >>> DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP> > > > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN %> > > > > >>> CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN %> > > > > >>> A> > > > > >>> 0> > > > > >>> 30> > > > > >>> 100> > > > > >>> 0> > > > > >>> B> > > > > >>> 5> > > > > >>> 25> > > > > >>> 80> > > > > >>> 20> > > > > >>> C> > > > > >>> 10> > > > > >>> 20> > > > > >>> 60> > > > > >>> 40> > > > > >>> D> > > > > >>> 14> > > > > >>> 16> > > > > >>> 55> > > > > >>> 45> > > > > >>> E> > > > > >>> 16> > > > > >>> 14> > > > > >>> 45> > > > > >>> 55> > > > > >>> F> > > > > >>> 20> > > > > >>> 10> > > > > >>> 40> > > > > >>> 60> > > > > >>> G> > > > > >>> 25> > > > > >>> 5> > > > > >>> 20> > > > > >>> 80> > > > > >>> H> > > > > >>> 30> > > > > >>> 0> > > > > >>> 0> > > > > >>> 100> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade> > > > significator for> > > > > >>> first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for> > > > second house. That> > > > > >>> does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the> > > > second house. The> > > > > >>> planet F contribution to the second house is more than its> > > > contribution to> > > > > >>> the first house.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Am I correct?> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Dhanabalan> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Dear all I have tried to correct Mr Dhanabalan's time of birth on 17/08/08 at 10.35 Am at Nagpur with Astro 3.3 SW with New KP AY.23-12-43RULLING PLANETS=LS=Mars; Lagna lord= Venus; Moon starlord= Mars; Moon Rashi Lord =Shani; Day lord= Sun. So I fixed lagna sub as Mars and SS as Shukra for his Sagi lagna with final birth time comes 17.18.25 ( GURU-SUN-MARS-SHUKRA)If we have to match Lagna sub and ss with Moon star and sub then it will GURU-SUN-MARS-SUN which come just after 3sec and BT will be 17.18.28 ( Sun is also in rulling as day lord) I am not perfect in RBT but when I do it,I use Rulling planets method for RBT so his birth time will be 17.18.25=Guru-Sun-Mars-Shukra RegardsDr Sheetal On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Friends,The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub. Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 houses.There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag. I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides Jup/Sat role in determining the year. Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are no fixed,water-tight,rules.for fear of ridicule,many do not express the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may be dispensed with. Regards,Satish , " swami " <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah || > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah> Hari Om,Friends> But,> Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention BT used by him is rectified.> Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer) > Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;> Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs: > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > -----------------------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > -------------------------> > - > sunil gondhalekar > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses > > > > dear dhanabalan,> pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time.> PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12> Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)(9) > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> 1-6-2-10 for service> and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you > -sunil gondhalekar> > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > Dear Sheetal> > I have sent my birth chart already.> In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage.> Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage.> > Please go throuigh the chart> > Dhanabalan > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote:> > Sheetal <ratnamalag > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it.> > Regards> Dr Sheetal > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > How we are taking the signification? > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. > The house occupied by the planet only differs. > > In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. > > In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. > > Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 > wrote:> > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is " planets are heavily influenced by their starlords " . To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps. > > Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > > Regards > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Contribution of planets to the houses> > " kpsystem groups " <@gro ups.com> > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > Dear Raichur> > Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp.> > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > A 0 30 100 0 > B 5 25 80 20 > C 10 20 60 40 > D 14 16 55 45 > E 16 14 45 55 > F 20 10 40 60 > G 25 5 20 80 > H 30 0 0 100 > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house.> > Am I correct?> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Dear Sheetal Thank you for taking interest to analyse my chart. The birth time given by me is not a corrected one and it needs correction. You have already corrected. In salem, I approached a k.p. astrologer on 10-02-2007 at 17.35 PM. He rectified my birth time taking the RP at that time with KP straightline ayanamsa. Moon rasi:Venus Moon star:Jupiter Moon sub lord: Venus Moon Sub sub lord:Mercury Moon sub sub sub lord:Sun Lagna lord:Moon Lagna starlord:Mercury Lagna sub lord:Mercury Lagna sub sub lord:Ketu Lagna sub sub sub lord:Venus(manual calculation) Day lord:Saturn Rahu is in Saturn house, so he took Rahu also as RP.. He fixed the I cusp as Jupiter-Sun-Mars-Sat-Moon for the birth time 17.16¢.52¢¢PM For KPNA(2003) the time may come about 17.16.45 PM. Generally the moon starlord is fixed as lagna sublord. He has not chosen Venus, Ketu and Mercury as sub sub lord since they are fall in female hora. Saturn falls in Male hora. Moon also falls in Male hora. So he fixed moon as sub sub sub lord. This is only an information. Additional information to rectify my birth time: My nature is to fight for the right. Because of my nature I was transferred frequently from place to place in my work area. When I was at Neyveli, I filed a Public Interested Litigation at Madras High Court against corruptive higher officials. So I was falsely sent out of the company and the case is pending in the court. In the end of the year 2007, I sent many applications requesting information under Right to Information Act to the Police Department. I was beaten with rowdys on 9-1-2008 at about 10.15 AM. I was in the hospital from 9-1-2008 to 13-1-2008. On malicious prosecution, I was put into the jail from 16-1-2008 to 17-2-2008 and came out on bail. In the four fold table, Jupiter does not come as significator for 2,7,11 houses. If the Jupiter is considered in 7th house instead of 6th house then Jupiter will signify 7th house. Please go ahead. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalagRe: Re: Contribution of planets to the houses Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:35 AM Dear all I have tried to correct Mr Dhanabalan's time of birth on 17/08/08 at 10.35 Am at Nagpur with Astro 3.3 SW with New KP AY.23-12-43RULLING PLANETS=LS=Mars; Lagna lord= Venus; Moon starlord= Mars; Moon Rashi Lord =Shani; Day lord= Sun. So I fixed lagna sub as Mars and SS as Shukra for his Sagi lagna with final birth time comes 17.18.25 ( GURU-SUN-MARS- SHUKRA)If we have to match Lagna sub and ss with Moon star and sub then it will GURU-SUN-MARS- SUN which come just after 3sec and BT will be 17..18.28 ( Sun is also in rulling as day lord) I am not perfect in RBT but when I do it,I use Rulling planets method for RBT so his birth time will be 17.18.25=Guru- Sun-Mars- Shukra RegardsDr Sheetal On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote: Dear Friends,The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 houses.There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides Jup/Sat role in determining the year.Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are no fixed,water- tight,rules. for fear of ridicule,many do not express the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may be dispensed with.Regards,Satish @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> Hari Om,Friends> But,> Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention BT used by him is rectified.> Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> Tel: +91 562-2232323/ 4001223;> Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@.. .: > http:\\www.kaalvastu. com] > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > - > sunil gondhalekar > @gro ups.com > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > dear dhanabalan,> pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth time.> PLANET : JUPITER> Itself :----------- --- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > It's Sub :----------- - Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) (1) (3) 12> Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus- (8)(5)(9)> > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> 1-6-2-10 for service> and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned by you> -sunil gondhalekar> > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > Dear Sheetal> > I have sent my birth chart already.> In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it signifies marriage.> Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which gives marriage.> > Please go throuigh the chart> > Dhanabalan > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal <ratnamalag@. ..> wrote:> > Sheetal <ratnamalag@. ..> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > Mr Dhanabalan > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope all are eagerly waiting for it.> > Regards> Dr Sheetal> > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want others to research and come back with the results? > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > We are not deviating the general principle of KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > How we are taking the signification? > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think you accept this. > The house occupied by the planet only differs. > > In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. > > In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > How a planet in the first house give 100% effect to the second house. > > Please forget about all the things you read already for the short period and study calmly my message and the table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am willing to clarify you. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote:> > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >> Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > I think we are deviating from the general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > Moreover, I have a question to ask you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > These are just my thoughts and I am still a learner. > > Regards> S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Contribution of planets to the houses> > "kpsystem groups" <@gro ups..com> > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > Dear Raichur> > Assuming that the first cusp fall at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the first cusp.> > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > A 0 30 100 0 > B 5 25 80 20 > C 10 20 60 40 > D 14 16 55 45 > E 16 14 45 55 > F 20 10 40 60 > G 25 5 20 80 > H 30 0 0 100 > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A and B as (e) grade significator for first house.. Planet G and H as (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the first house.> > Am I correct?> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Satish ji, The Asc (Ju-Su-Ma-Su) and Mo (Ve-Ma-Su-Sa) between 17:18:14 and 17:18:23 as per KPAstro 3.0. Does it mean the Lagna Sub lord should be Moon star lord, and the Lagna sub-sub lord to be Moon sub lord? From Message #18778, "I subsequently > verify/correct(double-check)the TOB such that the Ascendant's sublord > and sub-sub lord appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively..." is it correct to rephrase as follows? The given time of birth is correct if and only if the Asc sub lord appears as Moon's star lord and Asc sub-sub lord appears as Moon's sub lord. It is requested to make it sure before the computer running of this rule on the 300 AA charts. Thanks and regards, tw , "R Satish" <rsatish1942 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > The BT require minor tweaking from 5-19 p.m. to 5-18-> 35.This makes the Lagna Sub lord and sub-sub lord coincide with Moon > star lord and sub lord.Mars is sub and Sun is sub sub.> > Whilst it is common practice to consider 2,7,11 as > main houses, few take 3,7,11 some 5,7,11 and few others 2,5,7,11 > houses.> > There is an experiment by n astrologer who considers > 4th sub instead of 7th for marriages.Reported in KPAF mag.> > > I attended a refresher lecture 2 yrs ago,where the > lecturer demonstrated effect of many houses in the final say.I also > look at 8th lord dasa for time as an additional input, besides > Jup/Sat role in determining the year.> > Experimentation is quite prevalent,hence there are > no fixed,water-tight,rules.for fear of ridicule,many do not express > the same.In time to come, with live-in arrangents, 7thcusp role may > be dispensed with.> > Regards,> > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > , "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah> > Hari Om,Friends> > But,> > Sri Dhanabalam R is not sure of his Birth time.He did not mention > BT used by him is rectified.> > Since 4 step application confirm life events,Does it show BT used > is alright.?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > Swami_RCS (Consulting astrologer)> > Tel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;> > Mob 9412268768. Email: swami_rcs@:> > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com] > > -----------------------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being > who has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."> > --> > > > - > > sunil gondhalekar > > > > Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:10 AM> > Re: Contribution of planets to the houses> > > > > > > > dear dhanabalan,> > pl.refer jupiter's signification as follows as per your birth > time.> > PLANET : JUPITER> > Itself :-------------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's N.Swami :-------- Jupiter:- (6) (1) (3) 12 > > It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (10) (2) Cusp Yuti: (10) > > It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (6) > (1) (3) 12> > Itself aspects :------ 1 11 3 starlord-venus-(8)(5)> (9)> > > > jupiter represents 2-5-8 houses for marriage> > 1-6-2-10 for service> > and 1-5-9-12 for removing from service.> > this is based on 4 steo theory which matches the events mentioned > by you> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 8/16/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote: > > Dear Sheetal> > > > I have sent my birth chart already.> > In that chart, in four fold table, the Jupiter did not > signify 2,7,11,5,8 houses but there was marriage without any problem.> > > > If Jupiter is considered in Bhava 7, instead of 6 then it > signifies marriage.> > Also, if you take 7th cusp starlord, it is jupiter, which > gives marriage.> > > > Please go throuigh the chart> > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sheetal ratnamalag@ wrote:> > > > Sheetal ratnamalag@> > Re: Contribution of planets to > the houses> > > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM> > > > > > Mr Dhanabalan > > > > Why dont you give a practical example of the method > which u follow. Give few natal and few horary, atleast one each, a > stepwise solved query so that the student like me can understand your > method. Plz dont write theory and theory, which is of no use without > practical applications. If your method gives a correct prediction, we > will use your method only. We need 100% correct method which we are > still lacking. From your knowledge it is obvious that u read a lot > but I never saw any mail with practical application or solved query. > So I request you to share your method of prediction with all. I hope > all are eagerly waiting for it.> > > > Regards> > Dr Sheetal> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Punit Pandey > punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Do you have any practical examples / case studies to > support what you are saying OR it is just your opnion where you want > others to research and come back with the results? > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan > > > > We are not deviating the general principle of > KP rules. I accept that the planets will give the results of starlord > and the sublord will decide. I have considered only the two houses > for the sake of example. It may be extended to all the 12 houses. > > > > How we are taking the signification? > > The houses owned and the house occupied. > > > > The houses owned are the cusp falls. I think > you accept this. > > The house occupied by the planet only > differs. > > > > In the bhava begin system, the planets > posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are > considered as in house I. > > > > In the bhava middle system, the planets > posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in > first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the > cusp is considered as in house II. > > > > First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle > in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle > in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. > > > > How a planet in the first house give 100% > effect to the second house. > > > > Please forget about all the things you read > already for the short period and study calmly my message and the > table given. You will understand what I want to convey to you. It is > a mind set problem. Come out of it and think. > > > > It is only a mathematical calculation. Simple > logic. If you have any technical doubt in my earlier message I am > willing to clarify you. > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Gopalakrishnan Subra > Iyer subragops3 > wrote:> > > > Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > subragops3 >> > Re: Contribution of > planets to the houses> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:58 AM> > > > > > Dear Mr. Dhanabalan,> > > > I think we are deviating from the > general principles of KP rules which are based on the stellar > influence on the planets. Your idea of contribution of planets to > houses with respect to their position (meaning away or near the cusp) > does not hold any significance mainly because the fundamental > principle is "planets are heavily influenced by their starlords". To > put it clearly, planets are compelled and they have no power to deny > but simply obey the dictates of their starlords. The starlords in the > first cusp will have a greater say to matters related to the first > cusp and so on with the other cusps.> > > > Moreover, I have a question to ask > you: Why did you restrict to the first two houses? Why don't you > look at the contribution of planets to all the 12 houses by > extrapolating to the 360 degree encompassed by all the cusps? Don't > you see the futility of these actions? If we continue like this, > there is no end and the results will be highly diffused.> > > > These are just my thoughts and I am > still a learner. > > > > Regards> > S.Gopalakrishnan> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dhanabalan R > <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > >> > Contribution > of planets to the houses> > > > "kpsystem groups" > @gro ups.com> > > > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 > AM> > > > > > Dear Raichur> > > > Assuming that the first cusp fall > at 0 (00.01)degree in Aries and the second cusp falls at 30 (29.99) > degree in Aries. Planet A is posited at 0 degree at the first cusp > itself, planet B is posited 5 degree from first cusp, planet C is > posited 10 degree from first cusp, planet D is posited 14 degree from > first cusp, planet E is posited 16 degree from first cusp, planet F > is posited 20 degree from first cusp, planet G is posited 25 degree > from first cusp and planet H is posited 30 (29.98) degree from the > first cusp.> > > > Planet DISTANCE FROM FIRST CUSP > DISTANCE FROM SECOND CUSP CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIRST CUSP IN % > CONTRIBUTION TO THE SECOND CUSP IN % > > A 0 30 100 0 > > B 5 25 80 20 > > C 10 20 60 40 > > D 14 16 55 45 > > E 16 14 45 55 > > F 20 10 40 60 > > G 25 5 20 80 > > H 30 0 0 100 > > > > > > Mr.KSK has considered the planet A > and B as (e) grade significator for first house. Planet G and H as > (e) grade significator for second house. That does not mean that the > planet F is not contributing to the second house. The planet F > contribution to the second house is more than its contribution to the > first house.> > > > Am I correct?> > > > Dhanabalan> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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