Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Hi Friends. I am presenting here a conundrum, which has been bothering me for a long while since the day I was introduced to KP. I was born in Bombay on the night of 3rd December 1946. My mother (now late) used to recall the time as around 2.00 am after midnight. The basic horoscope calculations (We call it thalakkuri in Kerala.) were done by a local astrologer of Palghat where we belong ancestrally and it mentions the birth time in ghatis and vighatis after sunset. I am sure a local astrologer of Palghat in those days could not have taken the Bombay sunset time into consideration. Assuming, therefore, that he had taken the Palghat sunset time into account, I converted the ghatis and vighatis into hours and minutes and fixed my birth time at 48 minutes after midnight (i.e. 4th December 1946 as per Western reckoning) and erected my horoscope for Bombay latitude and standard time. That places me in Simha lagna. Moon in Uttara Bhadrapada (Utrattati) star of Saturn in Meena. The Palghat astrologer had also got the same lagna (different degree of course) and star but the balance at birth was different. The contradiction between my mother's statements, which would place me deep in Kanni lagna, and the horo I arrived at always used to bother me. I tried the RPs several times and many a time I found that Budha was getting a prominent place. Surya figured much less. The question being personal, I thought I couldn't be objective enough to clinch the issue. That left me utterly confused. Recently, I visited a naadi astrologer at Vaitheeswaran Koil in Tamil Nadu. After the preliminary questions whereby he zeroed in on the so- called horo of my birth, he mentioned the names of my father, mother and wife correctly. He also mentioned something very striking about my first daughter. He then said that I was born in Kanni lagna. That was a big surprise. There are, of course, many questionable things about the methods employed by naadi astrologers that don't appeal to rational minds. But, the way the names of my parents/wife were mentioned without any mistake (The astrologer couldn't have guessed those names correctly from the cues given by me by way of answers to several of his questions like the first and last letters of father's name etc.), made me feel that there was perhaps some truth in what he was saying about my lagna. Yet, I am in two minds even now whether or not to accept his conclusion. Even if I accept it, where would it place my lagna exactly? I asked him for the lagna navamsa hoping that I could be more exact. But, alas, they don't use navamsas in their predictons. Can you friends kindly tell me what is my correct horo? I give you number 155 (which I just saw on a carton placed right in front of me). Important events/details: Mother – Ardra star, Father – Satabhisha, Elder brothers(2)/sister (1): Chitra, Hasta and Poorva Phalguni, Younger brothers(2): Satabhisha and Ardra. Wife: Poorva Bhadrapada in Kumbha, Simha lagna in Makha star, birth on Wednesday, marriage on 21st August 1980 (Thursday morning) in Moola star. Daughters: 1. Born on 13th June 1983, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: Thula in Swati star (Monday) 2. Born on 21st August 1987, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: Vrischika in Anuradha star.(Friday) Father died in April 1960. Mother in October 1984 I would indeed be most grateful for your help. Thanks and best regards to all. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear NairIt depends on what Panchang your Palghat astro is using. The Sunrise given in various Panchaga is based on the place the panchang maker used. Try KP Horary.raichur anant mumbai--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote:Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair A QUESTION ABOUT CORRECT LAGNA Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:42 PM Hi Friends. I am presenting here a conundrum, which has been bothering me for a long while since the day I was introduced to KP. I was born in Bombay on the night of 3rd December 1946. My mother (now late) used to recall the time as around 2.00 am after midnight. The basic horoscope calculations (We call it thalakkuri in Kerala.) were done by a local astrologer of Palghat where we belong ancestrally and it mentions the birth time in ghatis and vighatis after sunset. I am sure a local astrologer of Palghat in those days could not have taken the Bombay sunset time into consideration. Assuming, therefore, that he had taken the Palghat sunset time into account, I converted the ghatis and vighatis into hours and minutes and fixed my birth time at 48 minutes after midnight (i.e. 4th December 1946 as per Western reckoning) and erected my horoscope for Bombay latitude and standard time. That places me in Simha lagna. Moon in Uttara Bhadrapada (Utrattati) star of Saturn in Meena. The Palghat astrologer had also got the same lagna (different degree of course) and star but the balance at birth was different. The contradiction between my mother's statements, which would place me deep in Kanni lagna, and the horo I arrived at always used to bother me. I tried the RPs several times and many a time I found that Budha was getting a prominent place. Surya figured much less. The question being personal, I thought I couldn't be objective enough to clinch the issue. That left me utterly confused. Recently, I visited a naadi astrologer at Vaitheeswaran Koil in Tamil Nadu. After the preliminary questions whereby he zeroed in on the so- called horo of my birth, he mentioned the names of my father, mother and wife correctly. He also mentioned something very striking about my first daughter. He then said that I was born in Kanni lagna. That was a big surprise. There are, of course, many questionable things about the methods employed by naadi astrologers that don't appeal to rational minds. But, the way the names of my parents/wife were mentioned without any mistake (The astrologer couldn't have guessed those names correctly from the cues given by me by way of answers to several of his questions like the first and last letters of father's name etc.), made me feel that there was perhaps some truth in what he was saying about my lagna. Yet, I am in two minds even now whether or not to accept his conclusion. Even if I accept it, where would it place my lagna exactly? I asked him for the lagna navamsa hoping that I could be more exact. But, alas, they don't use navamsas in their predictons. Can you friends kindly tell me what is my correct horo? I give you number 155 (which I just saw on a carton placed right in front of me). Important events/details: Mother – Ardra star, Father – Satabhisha, Elder brothers(2)/ sister (1): Chitra, Hasta and Poorva Phalguni, Younger brothers(2): Satabhisha and Ardra. Wife: Poorva Bhadrapada in Kumbha, Simha lagna in Makha star, birth on Wednesday, marriage on 21st August 1980 (Thursday morning) in Moola star. Daughters: 1. Born on 13th June 1983, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: Thula in Swati star (Monday) 2. Born on 21st August 1987, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: Vrischika in Anuradha star.(Friday) Father died in April 1960. Mother in October 1984 I would indeed be most grateful for your help. Thanks and best regards to all. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Namaste Shri Raichur-ji. Whether or not he used Bombay sunset time, my main worry is this: Am I Simha Lagna (as per the Palghat astrologer and my own later calculations) or Kanni (as per my mother's recollection of the time of birth and as per the naadi astrologer? As I said I tried KP horary. But, the matter being personal, I found that I lacked the objectivity needed to do a good analysis. Hence, the request for help. Besides, I found Mercury getting importance. (Even at this moment of writing this, the RPs are: Asc: Merc./Mars, Moon: Jup/Ketu, Day: Mars)! Sun is no where in the picture! Besides, my current horo with Simha lagna does not seem to support the events I have listed in my mail. Grateful if you can kindly help with the number I provided (155) and pin-point the lagna so that I can lay my nagging doubts to rest. MY PROBLEM IS NOT THE RPs. IT IS OBJECTIVITY. Best regards. Madathil Nair ______________ , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Nair > It depends on what Panchang your Palghat astro is using. The Sunrise given in various Panchaga is based on the place the panchang maker used. Try KP Horary. > > raichur anant mumbai > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote: > Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair > A QUESTION ABOUT CORRECT LAGNA > > Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:42 PM > > > > > Hi Friends. > > > > I am presenting here a conundrum, which has been bothering me for a > > long while since the day I was introduced to KP. > > > > I was born in Bombay on the night of 3rd December 1946. My mother > > (now late) used to recall the time as around 2.00 am after midnight. > > The basic horoscope calculations (We call it thalakkuri in Kerala.) > > were done by a local astrologer of Palghat where we belong > > ancestrally and it mentions the birth time in ghatis and vighatis > > after sunset. > > > > I am sure a local astrologer of Palghat in those days could not have > > taken the Bombay sunset time into consideration. Assuming, > > therefore, that he had taken the Palghat sunset time into account, I > > converted the ghatis and vighatis into hours and minutes and fixed my > > birth time at 48 minutes after midnight (i.e. 4th December 1946 as > > per Western reckoning) and erected my horoscope for Bombay latitude > > and standard time. > > > > That places me in Simha lagna. Moon in Uttara Bhadrapada (Utrattati) > > star of Saturn in Meena. The Palghat astrologer had also got the > > same lagna (different degree of course) and star but the balance at > > birth was different. > > > > The contradiction between my mother's statements, which would place > > me deep in Kanni lagna, and the horo I arrived at always used to > > bother me. I tried the RPs several times and many a time I found > > that Budha was getting a prominent place. Surya figured much less. > > The question being personal, I thought I couldn't be objective enough > > to clinch the issue. That left me utterly confused. > > > > Recently, I visited a naadi astrologer at Vaitheeswaran Koil in Tamil > > Nadu. After the preliminary questions whereby he zeroed in on the so- > > called horo of my birth, he mentioned the names of my father, mother > > and wife correctly. He also mentioned something very striking about > > my first daughter. He then said that I was born in Kanni lagna. > > > > That was a big surprise. There are, of course, many questionable > > things about the methods employed by naadi astrologers that don't > > appeal to rational minds. But, the way the names of my parents/wife > > were mentioned without any mistake (The astrologer couldn't have > > guessed those names correctly from the cues given by me by way of > > answers to several of his questions like the first and last letters > > of father's name etc.), made me feel that there was perhaps some > > truth in what he was saying about my lagna. Yet, I am in two minds > > even now whether or not to accept his conclusion. Even if I accept > > it, where would it place my lagna exactly? I asked him for the lagna > > navamsa hoping that I could be more exact. But, alas, they don't use > > navamsas in their predictons. > > > > Can you friends kindly tell me what is my correct horo? I give you > > number 155 (which I just saw on a carton placed right in front of me). > > > > Important events/details: > > > > Mother – Ardra star, Father – Satabhisha, Elder brothers(2)/ sister > > (1): Chitra, Hasta and Poorva Phalguni, Younger brothers(2): > > Satabhisha and Ardra. > > > > Wife: Poorva Bhadrapada in Kumbha, Simha lagna in Makha star, birth > > on Wednesday, marriage on 21st August 1980 (Thursday morning) in > > Moola star. > > > > Daughters: > > 1. Born on 13th June 1983, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: > > Thula in Swati star (Monday) > > 2. Born on 21st August 1987, Punarvasu star in Kataka Rasi, Lagna: > > Vrischika in Anuradha star.(Friday) > > > > Father died in April 1960. Mother in October 1984 > > > > I would indeed be most grateful for your help. > > > > Thanks and best regards to all. > > > > Madathil Nair > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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