Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

August 10, 2008

CANNOT BE THE SAME

1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary No."

2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054 , Sagar S <ssagar86 wrote:>> Hi> Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> This is my experience.> I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident of Mysore.> My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his prediction by post.> Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied with my dates.> Sahhasra Saagara> NOTE:> Why Horary is easy in many case ?> In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> Sahhasra Saagara> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan wrote:> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> Â > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through Horary.> Â > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer. > Â > Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> Sorry for the interruption,> May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too. > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has given us.> Thank you.> MOHAN KUMAR.R.> Salem.> Â > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar> Â > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart, why you prefer horary.> Â > DhanabalnÂ Â > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > > > > > > > > > Hi> > Â > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th. > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008. > Â > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> Â > All the best at all moments> Sahhasra Saagara> Â > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am > so sorry.> > Please help.> With due regards> Sushma> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> >> > Hi> > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with > bhukti.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are - > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > 15 March 1968> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999, > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children > too > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > God bless you and thank you in advance> > Sushma> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue > of > > timimg of events> > > SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> >> > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/>

August 11, 2008

dear shri. tin win,

regarding point no.1

can you furnish what was the outcome of marriage?

it is happened or not?

thankssunil gondhalekar

On 8/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

CANNOT BE THE SAME

1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under " Same Horary No. "

2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054 , Sagar S <ssagar86 wrote:

>> Hi> Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> This is my experience.> I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident of Mysore.

> My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his prediction by post.> Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied with my dates.

> Sahhasra Saagara> NOTE:> Why Horary is easy in many case ?> In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> Sahhasra Saagara

> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan wrote:> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...>

> Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> Â > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through Horary.

> Â > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer. > Â > Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...

> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> Sorry for the interruption,> May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, " In Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.

> It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has given us.> Thank you.> MOHAN KUMAR.R.> Salem.> Â > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...

> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sagar> Â > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart, why you prefer horary.

> Â > DhanabalnÂ Â > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Hi> > Â > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008. > Â > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> Â > All the best at all moments> Sahhasra Saagara> Â > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:

> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other

> details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am > so sorry.> > Please help.> With due regards> Sushma> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:

> >> > Hi> > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with > bhukti.> > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...

> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >

> > Dear Sagar Ji> > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find

> > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are - > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > 15 March 1968> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999, > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children > too

> > if any one is in her Destiny?> > God bless you and thank you in advance> > Sushma> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:

> > >> > > Hi> > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue > of > > timimg of events> > > SS> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go

> to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> >> > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/

>

August 12, 2008

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar,

Here the issue is not the outcome of marriage, for which the feed

back is not available. The point is that the result cannot be the

same.

Regards,

tw

, " sunil gondhalekar "

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear shri. tin win,

> regarding point no.1

> can you furnish what was the outcome of marriage?

> it is happened or not?

> thanks

> sunil gondhalekar

>

> On 8/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> >

> > *CANNOT BE THE SAME*

> >

> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under " Same

Horary No. "

> >

> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the

same BRT

> > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP &

the Birth

> > Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three

tests for the

> > same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.

(KP Year

> > Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> >

> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> >

> > , Sagar S <ssagar86@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one

consult morethan

> > 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > This is my experience.

> > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my

friend

> > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS

resident of

> > Mysore.

> > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will

send his

> > prediction by post.

> > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number

and analysed

> > and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which

tallied with

> > my dates.

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > NOTE:

> > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we

willget the

> > clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > >

> > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > Â

> > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

different times,

> > whether both the astrologer predict the same result through

Horary.

> > > Â

> > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.

> > > Â

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event

or its

> > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in

Horary Charts,

> > and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got

into KP

> > Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in

Salem. The same

> > may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability

is, " In Natal

> > Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas

we can take

> > exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I thinkÂ the

truthÂ behind

> > their above reasoning is that many practising KP astrologers are

not

> > well-versed with Birth Time Rectification process, which makes

themÂ opt for

> > Horary Charts, just following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP

Readers.)

> > Unless and until one is confident in his Birth Time Correction

method, one

> > cannot rely on Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble

with KP

> > Astrologers.

> > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what

Guruji has

> > given us.

> > > Thank you.

> > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > Salem.

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Sagar

> > > Â

> > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

available for the

> > individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal

chart, why you

> > prefer horary.

> > > Â

> > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Â

> > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary

chart and

> > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited

by Moon lord

> > of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th ,

Moon in the

> > sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place

between 14th

> > October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > Â

> > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20

KM/Miles.

> > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has

to take

> > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > Â

> > > All the best at all moments

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:

> > >

> > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not

know

> > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some

other

> > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the

chart. I am

> > > so sorry.

> > >

> > > Please help.

> > > With due regards

> > > Sushma

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand

> > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods

with

> > > bhukti.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at

telling

> > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of

my one

> > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I

will find

> > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I

will be

> > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -

> > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > 15 March 1968

> > > >

> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd

Jan 1999,

> > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And

children

> > > too

> > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > Sushma

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the

clue

> > > of

> > > > timimg of events

> > > > > SS

> > > >

> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go

> > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > > >

> > >

> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger.

Click here

> > >

> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-

08.html/

> > >

> >

>

August 12, 2008

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1.

All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> No."> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > , Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar> > Â> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Â> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > Â> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Â> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar> > Â> > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Â> > DhanabalnÂ Â> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Â> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Â> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > Â> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Â> >> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968> > >> > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> > >> >> >> >> >> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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August 12, 2008

Dear Dhanbalan Sir,I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different opinions/predictions. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.We'll talk more.MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Tue, 8/12/08,

Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1.

All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> No."> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not strongin

Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar> > Â> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Â> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > Â> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August

8, 2008, 8:34 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time>

Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Â> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>> > Dear Sagar> > Â> > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Â> > DhanabalnÂ Â> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Â> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord of 4th in

the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Â> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > Â> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Â> >> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7

August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee

<bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968> > >> > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> >

> then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup

s/> > >> >> >> >> >> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on> http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> >>

August 12, 2008

Dear All,

1. Pl note the question below:-

> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.

2. To this question the answer is "cannot be the same" because as per KP, the first astrologer found the marriage is not promised and the second astrologer found the marriage is promised.

3. The 4 stepis not mentioned in the question. By fully applying the standard 4 step rules of all options in the KPAstro 3.0 as shown below, the marriage is promised for all three astrolgers (Chart 1, 2 & 3) as per 4 Step Theory:-

- ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

- Moon ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

- Use Cusp Conj. (option to choose)

- Use Planet to Planet aspects (option to choose)

- ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

- Use Planet to Cusp aspects (option to choose)

- ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

- Show expanded Forms (option to choose)

Chart 1

Planet Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12, Cnj 6);

Asp 6

Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12,

Cnj 6); Asp 6

Sublord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12,

Cnj 6); Asp 6

Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12,

Cnj 6); Asp 6

Chart 2

Planet Ju+: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(6, 10-11, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Asp 6

Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6, 10-11, Asp

12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

Sublord of Ju is Ma+: 6; 10-11; Asp by Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp 6); Asp

12; Cnj 6

Starlord of Ma is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6, 10-11, Asp

12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

Chart 3

Planet Ju:

Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp 3)

Sublord of Ju is Mo+ : 11; 7; Asp 6; Cnj 12

Starlord of Mo is Ve: 2; 4-5

4. Please think and rethink 1) whether the astrologers all over the world will get the same result for Saina Nehwal by using the same Horary number 55 given by Punit Pandey in Msg#18635; 2) what is the role of strong urge in the Horary to get the correct answer from the divine force; and 3) "It may have been noticed that ruling planets depend on place, time, date of studying the chart. There is very possibilities that these will change, when same chart is studies by number of astrologers at diffenent places and times". in page 2 of the "Four Step Theory" by Sunil Gondhalekar.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, "Subhash" <subhash_ektare wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > This has reference to point No. 1.> > All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if> analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In> Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21> min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising> marriage.> > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100> charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under> consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied> upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome> to disagree with me and/or comment.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> >> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> >> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> > No."> >> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same> BRT> > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> > Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three> tests> > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of> RPs.> > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> >> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> >> > , Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > > This is my experience.> > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my> friend> > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> > of Mysore.> > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send> his> > prediction by post.> > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> > with my dates.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > NOTE:> > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view> marriage...> > > > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mohankumar> > > Â> > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> > Horary.> > > Â> > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > > Â> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@> >> > wrote:> > >> > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view> marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > > Sorry for the interruption,> > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in> Horary> > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas> we> > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts,> just> > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until> one> > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji> has> > given us.> > > Thank you.> > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > > Salem.> > > Â> > >> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view> marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sagar> > > Â> > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available> for> > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal> chart,> > why you prefer horary.> > > Â> > > DhanabalnÂ Â> > >> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > >> > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view> marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > Â> > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart> and> > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by> Moon> > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th ,> Moon> > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > > Â> > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20> KM/Miles.> > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > > Â> > > All the best at all moments> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > Â> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > > so sorry.> > >> > > Please help.> > > With due regards> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > > bhukti.> > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at> telling> > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my> one> > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > > 15 March 1968> > > >> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan> 1999,> > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > > too> > > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > > Sushma> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi> > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > > of> > > > timimg of events> > > > > SS> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. 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August 12, 2008

Hi

My Article on Change of Job by TWO Astrologers one prediction appeared in KP and Astrology 1992.

Mr.Pundareesh prepared and analysed chart as well as my analysed chart and prediction explained indetail.

I will prepare it in Word document and i wil mail it .

Sahhasra Saagara--- On Tue, 12/8/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 12:19 PM

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1.

All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> No."> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not

strongin Ã‚ Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of

Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar> > Ã‚> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Ã‚> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > Ã‚> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> timing,Ã‚ usingÃ‚ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> Salem. The same may be the caseÃ‚ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> can take exact TimeÃ‚ of AnaysisÃ‚ for Horary approach". ( I> thinkÃ‚ the truthÃ‚ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth

Time> Rectification process, which makes themÃ‚ opt for Horary Charts, just> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Ã‚> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> > Dear Sagar> > Ã‚> > Horary is applicable only when there isÃ‚ no horoscope available for> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Ã‚> > DhanabalnÃ‚ Ã‚> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Ã‚> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord

of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Ã‚> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> Ã‚ place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÃ‚ is in the 5th.> > Ã‚> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Ã‚> >> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Date:

Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee

<bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968> > >> > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> >

> then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup

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Dear Mohankumar

I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong. So I want to know what others are doing.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrologyRe: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

Dear Dhanbalan Sir,I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different opinions/prediction s. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.We'll talk more.MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1.

All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> No."> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not

strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of

Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar> > Â> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Â> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > Â> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth

Time> Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Â> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> > Dear Sagar> > Â> > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Â> > DhanabalnÂ Â> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Â> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord

of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Â> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > Â> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Â> >> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Date:

Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ....> wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee

<bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968> > >> > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> >

> then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup

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August 12, 2008

Dear Learned members,

The question is whether two different kp astrologers at different place

and time can give same answer through Horary.

I agree that there is no mention regarding the method these kp

astrologers are supposed to use.

According to me the sample size of THREE charts is too small to come to

any conclusion. Based on the analysis posted in file section it is

concluded " cannot be the same " considering first two cases. However if

we consider csae No.2 and 3 only, the answer will be different. Further

if we consider all the three cases as per 4 step theory the answer in

all three cases will be SAME.

I am not saying whether this conlusion is right or wrong. It may be same

even after analyzing 100 charts. But in that case we will have

sufficient data to proove it. Conclusions (based on insufficient data

size) are likely to send wrong signal to astrologer community.

Therefore what I wanted to convey that any CONCLUSION should be based on

detailed study of sizable data which I took it to be 100 cases at least.

No intention to hurt anybody's feelings.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> 1. Pl note the question below:-

>

> > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different

> > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through

> > Horary.

>

> 2. To this question the answer is " cannot be the same " because

> as per KP, the first astrologer found the marriage is not promised and

> the second astrologer found the marriage is promised.

>

> 3. The 4 stepis not mentioned in the question. By fully applying the

> standard 4 step rules of all options in the KPAstro 3.0 as shown

below,

> the marriage is promised for all three astrolgers (Chart 1, 2 & 3) as

> per 4 Step Theory:-

>

> - ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

>

> - Moon ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

>

> - Use Cusp Conj. (option to choose)

>

> - Use Planet to Planet aspects (option to choose)

>

> - ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

>

> - Use Planet to Cusp aspects (option to choose)

>

> - ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

>

> - Show expanded Forms (option to choose)

>

> Chart 1

>

> Planet Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12, Cnj

6);

>

> Asp 6

>

> Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp

> 12,

>

> Cnj 6); Asp 6

>

> Sublord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp

> 12,

>

> Cnj 6); Asp 6

>

> Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp

> 12,

>

> Cnj 6); Asp 6

>

> Chart 2

>

> Planet Ju+: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(6, 10-11, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Asp

6

>

> Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6, 10-11,

> Asp

>

> 12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

>

> Sublord of Ju is Ma+: 6; 10-11; Asp by Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp 6);

> Asp

>

> 12; Cnj 6

>

> Starlord of Ma is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6, 10-11,

> Asp

>

> 12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

>

> Chart 3

>

> Planet Ju:

>

> Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp 3)

>

> Sublord of Ju is Mo+ : 11; 7; Asp 6; Cnj 12

>

> Starlord of Mo is Ve: 2; 4-5

>

> 4. Please think and rethink 1) whether the astrologers all over the

> world will get the same result for Saina Nehwal by using the same

Horary

> number 55 given by Punit Pandey in Msg#18635; 2) what is the role of

> strong urge in the Horary to get the correct answer from the divine

> force; and 3) " It may have been noticed that ruling planets depend

> on place, time, date of studying the chart. There is very

possibilities

> that these will change, when same chart is studies by number of

> astrologers at diffenent places and times " . in page 2 of the

> " Four Step Theory " by Sunil Gondhalekar.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " Subhash " subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > This has reference to point No. 1.

> >

> > All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary No.doc " if

> > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is

promised.

> In

> > Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg

> 21

> > min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus

> promising

> > marriage.

> >

> > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100

> > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note

under

> > consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be

relied

> > upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are

> welcome

> > to disagree with me and/or comment.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > >

> > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under " Same

> Horary

> > > No. "

> > >

> > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the

same

> > BRT

> > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP &

the

> > > Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three

> > tests

> > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule

of

> > RPs.

> > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> > >

> > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> > >

> > > , Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult

> > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > > This is my experience.

> > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my

> > friend

> > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS

> resident

> > > of Mysore.

> > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will

send

> > his

> > > prediction by post.

> > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and

> > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which

> tallied

> > > with my dates.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > NOTE:

> > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we

> willget

> > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > > Â

> > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

different

> > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through

> > > Horary.

> > > > Â

> > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.

> > > > Â

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or

> its

> > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in

> > Horary

> > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I

> got

> > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts

in

> > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is,

> " In

> > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time,

> whereas

> > we

> > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I

> > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many

> > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time

> > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts,

> > just

> > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and

until

> > one

> > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely

on

> > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP

> Astrologers.

> > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what

Guruji

> > has

> > > given us.

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > > Salem.

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar

> > > > Â

> > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

available

> > for

> > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal

> > chart,

> > > why you prefer horary.

> > > > Â

> > > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary

chart

> > and

> > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by

> > Moon

> > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th ,

> > Moon

> > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place

> between

> > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > > Â

> > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20

> > KM/Miles.

> > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to

> take

> > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > > Â

> > > > All the best at all moments

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not

> know

> > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some

other

> > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart.

I

> am

> > > > so sorry.

> > > >

> > > > Please help.

> > > > With due regards

> > > > Sushma

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand

> > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with

> > > > bhukti.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at

> > telling

> > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of

my

> > one

> > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will

> find

> > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I

will

> be

> > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -

> > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > > 15 March 1968

> > > > >

> > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan

> > 1999,

> > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And

> children

> > > > too

> > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > > Sushma

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the

> clue

> > > > of

> > > > > timimg of events

> > > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go

> > > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> > > >

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > >

http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 13, 2008

Dear All,

As a KP astrologer, it's well known fact that he or she will use KP,

not 4 step which is different from KP in many aspects. In this

case, this is not the issue because we're talking about KP only

and, if one case is different from another it is sufficient to say

the result is not the same and no further test is neeed. To be the

same, there should not be a single case in different result. That is

the nature of this issue.

Regards,

tw

, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare

wrote:

>

> Dear Learned members,

>

> The question is whether two different kp astrologers at different

place

> and time can give same answer through Horary.

>

> I agree that there is no mention regarding the method these kp

> astrologers are supposed to use.

>

> According to me the sample size of THREE charts is too small to

come to

> any conclusion. Based on the analysis posted in file section it is

> concluded " cannot be the same " considering first two cases.

However if

> we consider csae No.2 and 3 only, the answer will be different.

Further

> if we consider all the three cases as per 4 step theory the answer

in

> all three cases will be SAME.

>

> I am not saying whether this conlusion is right or wrong. It may

be same

> even after analyzing 100 charts. But in that case we will have

> sufficient data to proove it. Conclusions (based on insufficient

data

> size) are likely to send wrong signal to astrologer community.

>

> Therefore what I wanted to convey that any CONCLUSION should be

based on

> detailed study of sizable data which I took it to be 100 cases at

least.

> No intention to hurt anybody's feelings.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > 1. Pl note the question below:-

> >

> > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

different

> > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result

through

> > > Horary.

> >

> > 2. To this question the answer is " cannot be the same " because

> > as per KP, the first astrologer found the marriage is not

promised and

> > the second astrologer found the marriage is promised.

> >

> > 3. The 4 stepis not mentioned in the question. By fully applying

the

> > standard 4 step rules of all options in the KPAstro 3.0 as shown

> below,

> > the marriage is promised for all three astrolgers (Chart 1, 2 &

3) as

> > per 4 Step Theory:-

> >

> > - ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

> >

> > - Moon ORB 3.3333 (can be changed as needed)

> >

> > - Use Cusp Conj. (option to choose)

> >

> > - Use Planet to Planet aspects (option to choose)

> >

> > - ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

> >

> > - Use Planet to Cusp aspects (option to choose)

> >

> > - ----Use 7th aspect (option to choose)

> >

> > - Show expanded Forms (option to choose)

> >

> > Chart 1

> >

> > Planet Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp 1, Asp 12,

Cnj

> 6);

> >

> > Asp 6

> >

> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp

1, Asp

> > 12,

> >

> > Cnj 6); Asp 6

> >

> > Sublord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp

1, Asp

> > 12,

> >

> > Cnj 6); Asp 6

> >

> > Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(5, 4-11, Asp

1, Asp

> > 12,

> >

> > Cnj 6); Asp 6

> >

> > Chart 2

> >

> > Planet Ju+: 9; 12; Asp by Su(3); Asp Ma(6, 10-11, Asp 12, Cnj

6); Asp

> 6

> >

> > Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6,

10-11,

> > Asp

> >

> > 12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

> >

> > Sublord of Ju is Ma+: 6; 10-11; Asp by Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3],

Asp 6);

> > Asp

> >

> > 12; Cnj 6

> >

> > Starlord of Ma is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp by Su[3], Asp Ma[6,

10-11,

> > Asp

> >

> > 12, Cnj 6], Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp Me[3]); Cnj Ve(2, 4-5)

> >

> > Chart 3

> >

> > Planet Ju:

> >

> > Starlord of Ju is Ra: 2; Sgl Ju(9, 12, Asp 6); Stl Sa(6, 1, Asp

3)

> >

> > Sublord of Ju is Mo+ : 11; 7; Asp 6; Cnj 12

> >

> > Starlord of Mo is Ve: 2; 4-5

> >

> > 4. Please think and rethink 1) whether the astrologers all over

the

> > world will get the same result for Saina Nehwal by using the same

> Horary

> > number 55 given by Punit Pandey in Msg#18635; 2) what is the

role of

> > strong urge in the Horary to get the correct answer from the

divine

> > force; and 3) " It may have been noticed that ruling planets

depend

> > on place, time, date of studying the chart. There is very

> possibilities

> > that these will change, when same chart is studies by number of

> > astrologers at diffenent places and times " . in page 2 of the

> > " Four Step Theory " by Sunil Gondhalekar.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " Subhash " subhash_ektare@

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > This has reference to point No. 1.

> > >

> > > All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary

No.doc " if

> > > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is

> promised.

> > In

> > > Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb

of 3deg

> > 21

> > > min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus

> > promising

> > > marriage.

> > >

> > > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast

100

> > > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the

note

> under

> > > consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be

> relied

> > > upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members

are

> > welcome

> > > to disagree with me and/or comment.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > > >

> > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section

under " Same

> > Horary

> > > > No. "

> > > >

> > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using

the

> same

> > > BRT

> > > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of

RP &

> the

> > > > Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in

three

> > > tests

> > > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same

rule

> of

> > > RPs.

> > > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> > > >

> > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> > > >

> > > > , Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one

consult

> > > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > > > This is my experience.

> > > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took

my

> > > friend

> > > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS

> > resident

> > > > of Mysore.

> > > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he

will

> send

> > > his

> > > > prediction by post.

> > > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same

number and

> > > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh

which

> > tallied

> > > > with my dates.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > NOTE:

> > > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we

> > willget

> > > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > > marriage...

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > > > Â

> > > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

> different

> > > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result

through

> > > > Horary.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one

astrologer.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an

event or

> > its

> > > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in

> > > Horary

> > > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said

when I

> > got

> > > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP

stalwarts

> in

> > > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this

inability is,

> > " In

> > > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time,

> > whereas

> > > we

> > > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I

> > > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many

> > > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time

> > > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary

Charts,

> > > just

> > > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless

and

> until

> > > one

> > > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot

rely

> on

> > > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP

> > Astrologers.

> > > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what

> Guruji

> > > has

> > > > given us.

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > > > Salem.

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

> available

> > > for

> > > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect

natal

> > > chart,

> > > > why you prefer horary.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary

> chart

> > > and

> > > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is

posited by

> > > Moon

> > > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the

5th ,

> > > Moon

> > > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place

> > between

> > > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around

20

> > > KM/Miles.

> > > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage

has to

> > take

> > > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > All the best at all moments

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do

not

> > know

> > > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give

some

> other

> > > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the

chart.

> I

> > am

> > > > > so sorry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please help.

> > > > > With due regards

> > > > > Sushma

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords

aand

> > > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha

periods with

> > > > > bhukti.

> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good

at

> > > telling

> > > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the

answer of

> my

> > > one

> > > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I

will

> > find

> > > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this

I

> will

> > be

> > > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details

are -

> > > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > > > 15 March 1968

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on

2nd Jan

> > > 1999,

> > > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And

> > children

> > > > > too

> > > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give

the

> > clue

> > > > > of

> > > > > > timimg of events

> > > > > > > SS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over

India. Go

> > > > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger.

Click

> > here

> > > > >

> > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > > >

> http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-

08.html/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2008

Dear Sir,

KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. Unless the horary confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because in natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2..7. and 11 for marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for the native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those houses will also indiate many other incidences if the significators indicte other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be only to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be reexamined. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.

Dr. Luther

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AMRe: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

Dear Mohankumar

I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong. So I want to know what others are doing.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

Dear Dhanbalan Sir,I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different opinions/prediction s. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.We'll talk more.MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1..

All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised.. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> No."> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not

strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of

Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar> > Â> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Â> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > Â> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Date:

Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in> Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth

Time> Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Â> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> > Dear Sagar> > Â> > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Â> > DhanabalnÂ Â> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Â> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo

as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Â> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > Â> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Â> >> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > To:

@gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ....>

wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968> > >> > > Her engagement was

broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.

Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> > >> >> >> >> >> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on> http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> >>

August 17, 2008

Dear Dr. Luther ji,

Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in

this regard?

Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is not

promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole

life and the horary is chaging from a question to another question.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to

be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. Unless the horary

confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because in

natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for

marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses

also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for the

native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very

difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those houses

will also indiate many other incidences if the significators indicte

other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be only

to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only

the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be

reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.

> Dr. Luther

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

>

> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM

> Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

>

> Dear Mohankumar

>

> I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong.

So I want to know what others are doing.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> wrote:

>

> Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>

> Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

>

> Dear Dhanbalan Sir,

> I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different

opinions/prediction s. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or

EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH

METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL

PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN

UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO

SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE

FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN

APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT

OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW

THINGS GET DEVELOPED.

> YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.

> I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.

> We'll talk more.

> MOHAN KUMAR.R..

>

> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

>

> Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict

the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

>

> Dear Members,

> This has reference to point No. 1.

> All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary No.doc " if

analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is

promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp

( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of

house 2 thus promising marriage.

> To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100

charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note

under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be

relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members

are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

> Regards

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > CANNOT BE THE SAME

> >

> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under " Same

Horary

> > No. "

> >

> > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the

same BRT

> > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP &

the

> > Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in

three tests

> > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule

of RPs.

> > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> >

> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi

> > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one

consult

> > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > This is my experience.

> > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my

friend

> > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS

resident

> > of Mysore.

> > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will

send his

> > prediction by post.

> > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number

and

> > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which

tallied

> > with my dates.

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > NOTE:

> > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we

willget

> > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > Â

> > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

different

> > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result

through

> > Horary.

> > > Â

> > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.

> > > Â

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event

or its

> > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary

> > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when

I got

> > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts

in

> > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability

is, " In

> > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time,

whereas we

> > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I

> > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many

> > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time

> > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts,

just

> > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and

until one

> > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot

rely on

> > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP

Astrologers.

> > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what

Guruji has

> > given us.

> > > Thank you.

> > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > Salem.

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Sagar

> > > Â

> > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

available for

> > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect

natal chart,

> > why you prefer horary.

> > > Â

> > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Â

> > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary

chart and

> > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited

by Moon

> > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the

5th , Moon

> > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place

between

> > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > Â

> > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20

KM/Miles.

> > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has

to take

> > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > Â

> > > All the best at all moments

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:

> > >

> > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not

know

> > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some

other

> > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the

chart. I am

> > > so sorry.

> > >

> > > Please help.

> > > With due regards

> > > Sushma

> > >

> > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand

> > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods

with

> > > bhukti.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at

telling

> > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of

my one

> > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I

will find

> > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I

will be

> > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -

> > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > 15 March 1968

> > > >

> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd

Jan 1999,

> > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And

children

> > > too

> > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > Sushma

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the

clue

> > > of

> > > > timimg of events

> > > > > SS

> > > >

> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go

> > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > > >

> > >

> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger.

Click here

> > >

> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools-

08.html/

> > >

> >

>

August 17, 2008

Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I dis not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our judgment should be correct. I never said horary promisses which the natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both should tally with each other then only things materialise. Many of us do not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II in a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above maters will come to front and if its sub favors it materializes. It may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But if the

query is about financial status or job in horary, II house points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family members. House II becomes more specific in horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.

Dr. Luther

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

Dear Dr. Luther ji,Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in this regard?Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is not promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole life and the horary is chaging from a question to another question.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. Unless the horary confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because in natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses

also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for the native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those houses will also indiate many other incidences if the significators indicte other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be only to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.> Dr. Luther> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM> Re: Re: Two or more

KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > Dear Mohankumar> > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong. So I want to know what others are doing.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>> Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM> > > Dear Dhanbalan Sir,> I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different opinions/prediction s. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU

SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.> YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.> I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.> We'll talk more.> MOHAN KUMAR.R..> > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - -

CANNOT BE THE SAME> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM> > > Dear Members,> This has reference to point No. 1.> All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.> To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.> Regards> Subhash Ektare> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853"

<tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same Horary> > No."> > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the> > Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests> > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi> > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> > morethan 3 person the answer will be

the same.> > > This is my experience.> > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend> > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> > of Mysore.> > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> > prediction by post.> > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and> > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> > with my dates.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > NOTE:> > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >>

> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mohankumar> > > Â> > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> > Horary.> > > Â> > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.> > > Â> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > >

--- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > > Sorry for the interruption,> > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its> > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the

so-called KP stalwarts in> > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, "In> > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we> > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just> > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.> > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> > given

us.> > > Thank you.> > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > > Salem.> > > Â> > >> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups..com> > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sagar> > > Â> > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for> > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> > why you prefer horary.> > > Â>

> > DhanabalnÂ Â> > >> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > >> > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > Â> > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and> > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> > in the sub of Venus

lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between> > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > > Â> > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take> > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > > Â> > > All the best at all moments> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > Â> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > @gro ups.com> >

> Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am> > > so sorry.> > >> > > Please help.> > > With due regards> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > > bhukti.> > > > Sahhasra Saagara> >

> >> > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> wrote:> > > >> > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling> > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be> > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > > Place:

Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > > 15 March 1968> > > >> > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > > too> > > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > > Sushma> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi> > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > > of> > > > timimg of events> > > > > SS> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage.. Get it now, on> > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> > >> >>

August 18, 2008

Dear Luther Rath ji,

1. Let me ask you again straight, where does KSK say as below?

> KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to

>be confirmed by analysing the horary chart.

2. If there is no reference, it is not supposed to say so not to

make confusion. Of course, one can give his own opinion without

referring as if KSK says.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I dis

not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our

judgment should be correct. I never said horary promisses which the

natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both should

tally with each other then only things materialise. Many of us do

not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We

depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II in

a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either

offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So

during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above

maters will come to front and if its sub favors it materializes. It

may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But if

the query is about financial status or job in horary, II house

points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family

members. House II becomes more specific in

> horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.

> Dr. Luther

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM

> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict

the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

>

> Dear Dr. Luther ji,

>

> Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in

> this regard?

>

> Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is

not

> promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole

> life and the horary is chaging from a question to another question.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has

to

> be confirmed by analysing the horary chart.. Unless the horary

> confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because

in

> natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for

> marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses

> also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for

the

> native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very

> difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those

houses

> will also indiate many other incidences if the significators

indicte

> other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be

only

> to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only

> the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be

> reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM

> > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

> predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> >

> > Dear Mohankumar

> >

> > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went

wrong.

> So I want to know what others are doing.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> > wrote:

> >

> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>

> > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

> predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

> >

> > Dear Dhanbalan Sir,

> > I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different

> opinions/prediction s. BUT.. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

or

> EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS

WHICH

> METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL

> PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN

> UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE

WHO

> SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS

EVERYONE

> FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN

> APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT

> OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW

> THINGS GET DEVELOPED.

> > YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.

> > I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.

> > We'll talk more.

> > MOHAN KUMAR.R..

> >

> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> >

> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict

> the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > This has reference to point No. 1.

> > All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary No.doc "

if

> analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is

> promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd

cusp

> ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of

> house 2 thus promising marriage.

> > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast

100

> charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note

> under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot

be

> relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned

members

> are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

> > Regards

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > >

> > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section

under " Same

> Horary

> > > No. "

> > >

> > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the

> same BRT

> > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP

&

> the

> > > Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in

> three tests

> > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same

rule

> of RPs.

> > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> > >

> > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one

> consult

> > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > > This is my experience.

> > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my

> friend

> > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS

> resident

> > > of Mysore.

> > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will

> send his

> > > prediction by post.

> > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number

> and

> > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which

> tallied

> > > with my dates.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > NOTE:

> > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we

> willget

> > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > > Â

> > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

> different

> > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result

> through

> > > Horary.

> > > > Â

> > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer..

> > > > Â

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an

event

> or its

> > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in

Horary

> > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said

when

> I got

> > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP

stalwarts

> in

> > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability

> is, " In

> > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time,

> whereas we

> > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I

> > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many

> > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time

> > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary

Charts,

> just

> > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and

> until one

> > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot

> rely on

> > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP

> Astrologers.

> > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what

> Guruji has

> > > given us.

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > > Salem.

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar

> > > > Â

> > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

> available for

> > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect

> natal chart,

> > > why you prefer horary.

> > > > Â

> > > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary

> chart and

> > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is

posited

> by Moon

> > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the

> 5th , Moon

> > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place

> between

> > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > > Â

> > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20

> KM/Miles.

> > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has

> to take

> > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > > Â

> > > > All the best at all moments

> > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do

not

> know

> > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some

> other

> > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the

> chart. I am

> > > > so sorry.

> > > >

> > > > Please help.

> > > > With due regards

> > > > Sushma

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords

aand

> > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods

> with

> > > > bhukti.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good

at

> telling

> > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer

of

> my one

> > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I

> will find

> > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I

> will be

> > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -

> > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > > 15 March 1968

> > > > >

> > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd

> Jan 1999,

> > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And

> children

> > > > too

> > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > > Sushma

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give

the

> clue

> > > > of

> > > > > timimg of events

> > > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.

Go

> > > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger.

> Click here

> > > >

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/

tools/tools-

> 08.html/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 18, 2008

Dear Sir

As per my knowledge, whatever is predicted through horary should match with the natal chart provided BT is correct.

Dr Sheetal

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Dear Sir,

KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. Unless the horary confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because in natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2..7. and 11 for marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for the native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those houses will also indiate many other incidences if the significators indicte other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be only to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be reexamined. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.

Dr. Luther

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AMRe: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

Dear Mohankumar

I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong. So I want to know what others are doing.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > wrote:

Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

Dear Dhanbalan Sir,I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different opinions/prediction s. BUT. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED.

YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.We'll talk more.MOHAN KUMAR.R.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

@gro ups.comTuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

Dear Members,

This has reference to point No. 1..

All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary No.doc " if analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is promised.. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of house 2 thus promising marriage.

To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under " Same Horary

> No. " > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the same BRT> method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the> Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in three tests

> for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule of RPs.> (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> >> > Hi> > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one consult> morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > This is my experience.> > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my friend

> Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS resident> of Mysore.> > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will send his> prediction by post.> > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number and

> analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which tallied> with my dates.> > Sahhasra Saagara> > NOTE:> > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we willget> the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > Sahhasra Saagara> >> > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> >> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohankumar

> > Â> > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at different> times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result through> Horary.> > Â> > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer.

> > Â> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> wrote:> >> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > Sorry for the interruption,> > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event or its

> timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said when I got> into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts in

> Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability is, " In> Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, whereas we

> can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I> thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, just

> following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and until one> is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot rely on> Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP Astrologers.

> > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what Guruji has> given us.> > Thank you.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > Salem.> > Â> >> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar> > Â> > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope available for

> the individual. When the particulars are available to erect natal chart,> why you prefer horary.> > Â> > DhanabalnÂ Â> >> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >> > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi> >> > Â> > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary chart and

> found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited by Moon> lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the 5th , Moon> in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place between

> 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > Â> > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 KM/Miles.> > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has to take

> Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > Â> > All the best at all moments> > Sahhasra Saagara> > Â> >

> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> >> > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...

> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sagar Ji

> > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not know> > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some other> > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the chart. I am

> > so sorry.> >> > Please help.> > With due regards> > Sushma> >> > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> wrote:> > >

> > > Hi> > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods with> > bhukti.> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > >> > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ....> wrote:> > >> > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view marriage...

> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > >> >> > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at telling

> > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of my one> > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I will find> > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I will be

> > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > 15 March 1968

> > >> > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd Jan 1999,> > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And children> > too> > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > Sushma> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> wrote:

> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the clue> > of> > > timimg of events> > > > SS> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/

> > >> >> >> >> >> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> >>

August 18, 2008

Dear Sir,

Kindly refer "Horary Astrology", Sixth Reader, Nineth Edition:September 2002 at Page No. 14 under topic 'Horary Astrology'.

The paragraph is as follows: -

"This branch of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles, one can offer correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by using other methods which, when explained, will convince and satisfy the consultant."

The above is self-explanatory.

Dr.. Luther

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:16:26 AM Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

Dear Luther Rath ji,1. Let me ask you again straight, where does KSK say as below? > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. 2. If there is no reference, it is not supposed to say so not to make confusion. Of course, one can give his own opinion without referring as if KSK says.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I dis not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our judgment should be correct.. I never said horary promisses which the natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both should tally with each other

then only things materialise. Many of us do not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II in a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above maters will come to front and if its sub favors it materializes. It may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But if the query is about financial status or job in horary, II house points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family members. House II becomes more specific in> horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.> Dr. Luther> > > > > tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > Dear Dr. Luther ji,> > Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in > this regard?> > Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is not > promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole > life and the horary is chaging from a question to another question.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to > be

confirmed by analysing the horary chart.. Unless the horary > confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because in > natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for > marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses > also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for the > native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very > difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those houses > will also indiate many other incidences if the significators indicte > other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be only > to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only > the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be > reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.> > Dr. Luther> > > >

> > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM> > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went wrong. > So I want to know what others are doing.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > wrote:> > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>> > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM> > > > > > Dear Dhanbalan Sir,> > I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different > opinions/prediction s. BUT.. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. or > EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS WHICH > METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL > PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN > UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE WHO > SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS EVERYONE > FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN > APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT > OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW > THINGS GET DEVELOPED.> > YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START

SEEKING IT.> > I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.> > We'll talk more.> > MOHAN KUMAR.R..> > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM> > > > > > Dear Members,> > This has reference to point No. 1.> > All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" if > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is > promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd cusp > ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of > house 2 thus

promising marriage.> > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast 100 > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note > under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot be > relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned members > are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > @gro ups..com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section under "Same > Horary> > > No."> > > > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the > same BRT> > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's

"Secrets of RP & > the> > > Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in > three tests> > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same rule > of RPs.> > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > > > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi> > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one > consult> > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > > > This is my experience.> > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my > friend> > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS > resident> > > of

Mysore.> > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will > send his> > > prediction by post.> > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number > and> > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which > tallied> > > with my dates.> > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > NOTE:> > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we > willget> > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > >> > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> >

> > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > Â> > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at > different> > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result > through> > > Horary.> > > > Â> > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer..> > > > Â> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >> > > > --- On

Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > > > Sorry for the interruption,> > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an event > or its> > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in Horary> > > Charts, and not in

Natal charts' - this is what I was said when > I got> > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP stalwarts > in> > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability > is, "In> > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, > whereas we> > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary Charts, > just> > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and > until one> > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot > rely

on> > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP > Astrologers.> > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what > Guruji has> > > given us.> > > > Thank you.> > > > MOHAN KUMAR..R.> > > > Salem.> > > > Â> > > >> > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sagar> > > > Â> > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope > available for> > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect > natal chart,> > > why you prefer horary.> > > > Â> > > > DhanabalnÂ Â> > > >> > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi> > > >> > > > Â> > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary > chart and> > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is posited > by Moon> > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the > 5th , Moon> > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place > between> > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > > > Â> > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 > KM/Miles.> > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has > to take> > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in

the 5th.> > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > > > Â> > > > All the best at all moments> > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > Â> > > >> > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> > > >> > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage....> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do not > know> > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some

> other> > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the > chart. I am> > > > so sorry.> > > >> > > > Please help.> > > > With due regards> > > > Sushma> > > >> > > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi> > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords aand> > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods > with> > > > bhukti.> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > >

> Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > marriage...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good at > telling> > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer of > my one> > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I > will find> > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I > will be> > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > >

> > 15 March 1968> > > > >> > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd > Jan 1999,> > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And > children> > > > too> > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > > > Sushma> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi> > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give the > clue> > > > of> > > > > timimg of events> > > > > > SS> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>

> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go> > > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. > Click here> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

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August 18, 2008

Dear Luther Rath ji,

It is entirly different which you're misquoting as below:

> KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to

>be confirmed by analysing the horary chart.

Regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Kindly refer " Horary Astrology " , Sixth Reader, Nineth

Edition:September 2002 at Page No. 14 under topic 'Horary Astrology'.

> The paragraph is as follows: -

> " This branch of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most

useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles, one can offer

correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This

helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by

using other methods which, when explained, will convince and satisfy

the consultant. "

> The above is self-explanatory.

> Dr. Luther

>

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Monday, August 18, 2008 3:16:26 AM

> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict

the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

>

> Dear Luther Rath ji,

>

> 1. Let me ask you again straight, where does KSK say as below?

>

> > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has

to

> >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart.

>

> 2. If there is no reference, it is not supposed to say so not to

> make confusion. Of course, one can give his own opinion without

> referring as if KSK says.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I

dis

> not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our

> judgment should be correct. I never said horary promisses which

the

> natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both

should

> tally with each other then only things materialise. Many of us do

> not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We

> depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II

in

> a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either

> offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So

> during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above

> maters will come to front and if its sub favors it materializes.

It

> may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But

if

> the query is about financial status or job in horary, II house

> points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family

> members. House II becomes more specific in

> > horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.

> > Dr. Luther

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM

> > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict

> the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> >

> > Dear Dr. Luther ji,

> >

> > Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in

> > this regard?

> >

> > Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is

> not

> > promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole

> > life and the horary is chaging from a question to another

question.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath

<rathluther@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart

has

> to

> > be confirmed by analysing the horary chart... Unless the horary

> > confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so

because

> in

> > natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for

> > marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses

> > also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for

> the

> > native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes

very

> > difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those

> houses

> > will also indiate many other incidences if the significators

> indicte

> > other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be

> only

> > to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then

only

> > the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to

be

> > reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.

> > > Dr. Luther

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM

> > > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

> > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > >

> > > Dear Mohankumar

> > >

> > > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went

> wrong.

> > So I want to know what others are doing.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>

> > > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

> > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanbalan Sir,

> > > I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different

> > opinions/prediction s. BUT.. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO

HAPPEN.

> or

> > EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS

> WHICH

> > METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL

> > PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN

> > UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE

> WHO

> > SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS

> EVERYONE

> > FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS

AN

> > APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT

> > OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S

HOW

> > THINGS GET DEVELOPED.

> > > YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.

> > > I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.

> > > We'll talk more.

> > > MOHAN KUMAR..R..

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> > > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will

predict

> > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > This has reference to point No. 1.

> > > All the THREE Charts in file section under " Same Horary

No.doc "

> if

> > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is

> > promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd

> cusp

> > ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator

of

> > house 2 thus promising marriage.

> > > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast

> 100

> > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note

> > under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts

cannot

> be

> > relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned

> members

> > are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.

> > > Regards

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME

> > > >

> > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section

> under " Same

> > Horary

> > > > No. "

> > > >

> > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using

the

> > same BRT

> > > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of

RP

> &

> > the

> > > > Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in

> > three tests

> > > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same

> rule

> > of RPs.

> > > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)

> > > >

> > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one

> > consult

> > > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.

> > > > > This is my experience.

> > > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took

my

> > friend

> > > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at

KRS

> > resident

> > > > of Mysore.

> > > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he

will

> > send his

> > > > prediction by post.

> > > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same

number

> > and

> > > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.

> > > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh

which

> > tallied

> > > > with my dates.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > NOTE:

> > > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?

> > > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and

we

> > willget

> > > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohankumar

> > > > > Â

> > > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at

> > different

> > > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result

> > through

> > > > Horary.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one

astrologer..

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan

<kpmk_astrology@

> > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,

> > > > > Sorry for the interruption,

> > > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an

> event

> > or its

> > > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in

> Horary

> > > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said

> when

> > I got

> > > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP

> stalwarts

> > in

> > > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.

> > > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this

inability

> > is, " In

> > > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth

Time,

> > whereas we

> > > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach " . ( I

> > > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many

> > > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time

> > > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary

> Charts,

> > just

> > > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless

and

> > until one

> > > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot

> > rely on

> > > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP

> > Astrologers.

> > > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate

what

> > Guruji has

> > > > given us.

> > > > > Thank you..

> > > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.

> > > > > Salem.

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope

> > available for

> > > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect

> > natal chart,

> > > > why you prefer horary.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > DhanabalnÂ Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co..in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage....

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected

Horary

> > chart and

> > > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is

> posited

> > by Moon

> > > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the

> > 5th , Moon

> > > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.

> > > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take

place

> > between

> > > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around

20

> > KM/Miles.

> > > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage

has

> > to take

> > > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.

> > > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > All the best at all moments

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >

> > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do

> not

> > know

> > > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give

some

> > other

> > > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the

> > chart. I am

> > > > > so sorry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please help.

> > > > > With due regards

> > > > > Sushma

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords

> aand

> > > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha

periods

> > with

> > > > > bhukti.

> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view

> > marriage...

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sagar Ji

> > > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good

> at

> > telling

> > > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the

answer

> of

> > my one

> > > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I

> > will find

> > > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this

I

> > will be

> > > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details

are -

> > > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;

> > > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)

> > > > > > 15 March 1968

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on

2nd

> > Jan 1999,

> > > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige?

And

> > children

> > > > > too

> > > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?

> > > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance

> > > > > > Sushma

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S

<ssagar86@ .>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi

> > > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give

> the

> > clue

> > > > > of

> > > > > > timimg of events

> > > > > > > SS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over

India.

> Go

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> >

>

August 19, 2008

Dear Tin Win ji -

Although the mail was not intended for me, still, with due respect to both you and Dr. Luther ji, I want to clarify [written in blue] what I have understood from the quoted text taken from KSK's sixth reader:

"This branch (Horary Astrology) of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles (of Horary Astrology), one can offer correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This (Horary Astrology)helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by using other methods (such as Reading Birth/Natal Charts etc.) which, when explained, will convince and satisfy the consultant."Personally I do believe that Horary astrology can be taken as a supportive tool, to confirm any matter indicated in the natal chart, provided the"urge to know" is present during Horary prediction.

Other opinions will also be welcomed!

Regards & Best Wishes,ANTARIKSH

" Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can say with certainty what will definitely happen?" - B. V. Raman--- On Mon, 8/18/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:58 PM

Dear Luther Rath ji,It is entirly different which you're misquoting as below: > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Kindly refer "Horary Astrology", Sixth Reader, Nineth Edition:September 2002 at Page No. 14 under topic 'Horary Astrology'.> The paragraph is as follows: -> "This branch of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles, one can offer correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by using other methods which, when explained, will convince

and satisfy the consultant."> The above is self-explanatory.> Dr. Luther> > > > > tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Monday, August 18, 2008 3:16:26 AM> Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > Dear Luther Rath ji,> > 1. Let me ask you again straight, where does KSK say as below? > > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to > >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. > > 2. If there is no reference, it is not supposed to say so not to > make confusion. Of course, one can give his own opinion without > referring as if KSK says.> > Thanks and

regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I dis > not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our > judgment should be correct. I never said horary promisses which the > natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both should > tally with each other then only things materialise.. Many of us do > not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We > depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II in > a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either > offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So > during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above > maters will come to front and if its sub

favors it materializes. It > may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But if > the query is about financial status or job in horary, II house > points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family > members. House II becomes more specific in> > horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.> > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM> > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > Dear Dr. Luther ji,> > > > Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in > > this regard?> > > > Because my

understanding is that the horary cannot give what is > not > > promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole > > life and the horary is chaging from a question to another question.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has > to > > be confirmed by analysing the horary chart... Unless the horary > > confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so because > in > > natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7.. and 11 for > > marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses > > also signify death as they are the

maraka and badaka sthanas for > the > > native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes very > > difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those > houses > > will also indiate many other incidences if the significators > indicte > > other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be > only > > to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then only > > the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to be > > reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM> >

> Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > > > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went > wrong. > > So I want to know what others are doing.> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > > wrote:> > > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>> > > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM> > > > > > > > > Dear

Dhanbalan Sir,> > > I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different > > opinions/prediction s. BUT.. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAPPEN. > or > > EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS > WHICH > > METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL > > PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN > > UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE > WHO > > SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS > EVERYONE > > FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS AN > > APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT > > OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S HOW > > THINGS GET DEVELOPED.> > > YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING

IT.> > > I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.> > > We'll talk more.> > > MOHAN KUMAR..R..> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict > > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > This has reference to point No. 1.> > > All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary No.doc" > if > > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is > > promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd

> cusp > > ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator of > > house 2 thus promising marriage.> > > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast > 100 > > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note > > under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts cannot > be > > relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned > members > > are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.> > > Regards> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section > under "Same

> > Horary> > > > No."> > > > > > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using the > > same BRT> > > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP > & > > the> > > > Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in > > three tests> > > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same > rule > > of RPs.> > > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > > > > > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi> > > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one > >

consult> > > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > > > > This is my experience.> > > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took my > > friend> > > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at KRS > > resident> > > > of Mysore.> > > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he will > > send his> > > > prediction by post.> > > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same number > > and> > > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh which > > tallied> > > > with my dates.> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > >

NOTE:> > > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and we > > willget> > > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > marriage...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>

> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > > Â> > > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at > > different> > > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result > > through> > > > Horary.> > > > > Â> > > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one astrologer..> > > > > Â> > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of

Horoscopes,view > > marriage...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > > > > Sorry for the interruption,> > > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an > event > > or its> > > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in > Horary> > > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said > when > > I got> > > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP > stalwarts >

> in> > > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this inability > > is, "In> > > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth Time, > > whereas we> > > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> > > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> > > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> > > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary > Charts, > > just> > > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless and > > until one> > > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot > > rely on> > > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the

trouble with KP > > Astrologers.> > > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate what > > Guruji has> > > > given us.> > > > > Thank you..> > > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > > > > Salem.> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > marriage...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sagar> > > > > Â> > > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope > > available for> > > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect > > natal chart,> > > > why you prefer horary.> > > > > Â> > > > > DhanabalnÂ Â> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co..in> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > marriage....> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Thursday, August

7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected Horary > > chart and> > > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is > posited > > by Moon> > > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the > > 5th , Moon> > > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take place > > between> > > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.>

> > > > Â> > > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around 20 > > KM/Miles.> > > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage has > > to take> > > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > > > > Â> > > > > All the best at all moments> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > marriage...> > > > > @gro ups.com>

> > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do > not > > know> > > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give some > > other> > > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the > > chart. I am> > > > > so sorry.> > > > >> > > > > Please help.> > > > > With due regards> > > > > Sushma> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi> >

> > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords > aand> > > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha periods > > with> > > > > bhukti.> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ....>> > > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > marriage...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you

are very good > at > > telling> > > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the answer > of > > my one> > > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I > > will find> > > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this I > > will be> > > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details are -> > > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > > > > 15 March 1968> > > > > >> > > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on 2nd > > Jan 1999,> > > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? And > >

children> > > > > too> > > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > > > > Sushma> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@ .> > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi> > > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give > the > > clue> > > > > of> > > > > > timimg of events> > > > > > > SS> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >

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August 19, 2008

Dear Antariksh ji,

1. I understand the same as in your view: > Personally I do believe that Horary astrology can be taken as a supportive tool, to confirm any matter indicated in the natal chart, provided the"urge to know" is present during Horary prediction. >

2. But in my understanding of KP in general and in particular of the quoted, the natal result has not to be confirmed (can be confirmed) by the horary but the horary result has to be confirmed by the natal whether the concerned matter is promised or not; if it is not promised, it can't happen.

> > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to > >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart.

3. The horary result can change depending on the urge of the querist and astrologer, time, space and astrologer including his expertise and views like whether retrogression is considered or not.

4. Some are not relying on horary, for instance, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji rarely applies the horary and predicting the natal by chacking the concerned cuspal sublord by his RPs and changing it if needed.

Thanks and regards,

tw , *** ANTARIKSH *** <antariksh_80 wrote:>> > > Dear Tin Win ji -> > Although the mail was not intended for me, still, with due respect to both you and Dr. Luther ji, I want to clarify [written in blue] what I have understood from the quoted text taken from KSK's sixth reader: > > "This branch (Horary Astrology) of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most > useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles (of Horary Astrology), one can offer > correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This (Horary Astrology)> helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by using other methods (such as Reading Birth/Natal Charts etc.) which, when explained, will convince and satisfy the consultant."> > Personally I do believe that Horary astrology can be taken as a supportive tool, to confirm any matter indicated in the natal chart, provided the"urge to know" is present during Horary prediction. > > Other opinions will also be welcomed!> > Regards & Best Wishes,> ANTARIKSH> > " Those who know Astrology can only indicate in a way what will take place in future. Who else, except the Creator, Brahma, can say with certainty what will definitely happen?" - B. V. Raman> > --- On Mon, 8/18/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:58 PM> > > > > > > Dear Luther Rath ji,> > It is entirly different which you're misquoting as below: > > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has to > >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. > > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > Kindly refer "Horary Astrology", Sixth Reader, Nineth > Edition:September 2002 at Page No. 14 under topic 'Horary Astrology'.> > The paragraph is as follows: -> > "This branch of science is mysterius, perfect, wonderful and most > useful. After thoroughly understanding the principles, one can offer > correct, clear and precise predictions without any confusion. This > helps the astrologer to confirm what prediction he has to give by > using other methods which, when explained, will convince and satisfy > the consultant."> > The above is self-explanatory.> > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, August 18, 2008 3:16:26 AM> > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > Dear Luther Rath ji,> > > > 1. Let me ask you again straight, where does KSK say as below? > > > > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart has > to > > >be confirmed by analysing the horary chart. > > > > 2. If there is no reference, it is not supposed to say so not to > > make confusion. Of course, one can give his own opinion without > > referring as if KSK says.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir, I have been understood in a different angle which I > dis > > not mean. Horary has to be correct and non can deny it but our > > judgment should be correct. I never said horary promisses which > the > > natal does not promiss. I wanted to say natal and horary both > should > > tally with each other then only things materialise. Many of us do > > not give imprtance to horary when we have birth particulars. We > > depend up on natal only. I would like to emphasize that house II > in > > a natal indicates Bank position, addition of family members either > > offsprings or wife etc. Death(Maraka sthana) and many others. So > > during the period of sgnificators of house II any of the above > > maters will come to front and if its sub favors it materializes. > It > > may always be posible to fix what mater shall be fructified. But > if > > the query is about financial status or job in horary, II house > > points to only and only to that mater and not death, or family > > members. House II becomes more specific in> > > horary. It is up to you if you try to understand or not.> > > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20:18 PM> > > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will predict > > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Luther ji,> > > > > > Could you give the reference where KP says like this to learn in > > > this regard?> > > > > > Because my understanding is that the horary cannot give what is > > not > > > promised in the natal chart. The natal is the same for the whole > > > life and the horary is chaging from a question to another > question.> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath > <rathluther@ ...> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > KP says that a prediction reached at through a natal chart > has > > to > > > be confirmed by analysing the horary chart... Unless the horary > > > confirms the prediction from natal will go wrong. It's so > because > > in > > > natal a house indictes many maters. If we take 2.7. and 11 for > > > marriage. We can predict a date of marriage. But the same houses > > > also signify death as they are the maraka and badaka sthanas for > > the > > > native if his/her lagna falls in movable sign. so it becomes > very > > > difficult to confirm what will happen in his/her life. Those > > houses > > > will also indiate many other incidences if the significators > > indicte > > > other houses as well. But in horary the significations shall be > > only > > > to the query. Therefore if the horary pediction tallies then > only > > > the result will come through. Otherwise the natal chart has to > be > > > reexamined.. This is my openion. Seniors may comment on this.> > > > Dr. Luther> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:05:08 AM> > > > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > > > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > > > > > I have tried both natal and horary but my predictions went > > wrong. > > > So I want to know what others are doing.> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ..com>> > > > Re: Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > > > predict the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:46 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalan Sir,> > > > I agree. Two KP Astrologers may give two different > > > opinions/prediction s. BUT.. ONLY ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO > HAPPEN. > > or > > > EVEN BOTH MAY FAIL. THE POINT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR PONDER IS > > WHICH > > > METHOD OF APPROACH OR FORMULA, SO TO SAY, GIVES SUCCESSFUL > > > PREDICTION. HAD YOU EVER TRIED TO PREDICT ON A CHART, YOU CAN > > > UNDERSTAND WHICH APPROACH WORKS AND WHICH DOES NOT. ONLY THOSE > > WHO > > > SEEK A METHOD WILL GET THE ANSWER. ONE WHO SIMPLY CONDEMNS > > EVERYONE > > > FOR EVERYTHING WILL CERTAINLY NOT ARRIVE ANYWHERE. WHEN ONE HAS > AN > > > APPROACH IN HIS HAND THAT WORKS, HE IS NOT GONNA BOTHER ABOUT > > > OTHER'S VIEWS. ONLY WHEN HE FAILS. WILL HE SEEK FOR IT. THAT'S > HOW > > > THINGS GET DEVELOPED.> > > > YOU WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, IF YOU START SEEKING IT.> > > > I MEAN NO HARM, MY FRIEND. JUST AN OPINION.> > > > We'll talk more.> > > > MOHAN KUMAR..R..> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > > > Re: Two or more KP astrologer will > predict > > > the same - - CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:49 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > This has reference to point No. 1.> > > > All the THREE Charts in file section under "Same Horary > No.doc" > > if > > > analyzed by 4 step Theory give same result i.e. marriage is > > > promised. In Chart No.1 in perticular, Jupiter's aspect on 2nd > > cusp > > > ( orb of 3deg 21 min 14 sec) renders Jup as strong significator > of > > > house 2 thus promising marriage.> > > > To prove or dis-prove any hypothesis detailed study of atleast > > 100 > > > charts should have been presented, as per the author of the note > > > under consideration. Conclusion based on ONLY THREE charts > cannot > > be > > > relied upon. Of course this is my personal opinion. Learned > > members > > > are welcome to disagree with me and/or comment.> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > CANNOT BE THE SAME> > > > > > > > > > 1) unpublished article uploaded in the file section > > under "Same > > > Horary> > > > > No."> > > > > > > > > > 2) Not the same rectified TOB by four astrologers by using > the > > > same BRT> > > > > method of KB in the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of > RP > > & > > > the> > > > > Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96). Not the same rectified TOB in > > > three tests> > > > > for the same doubtful chart by Narhari Khake using the same > > rule > > > of RPs.> > > > > (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) (Msg#5028 of this group)> > > > > > > > > > 3) Q & A in Msg#5051 & 5054> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi> > > > > > Speciality of Astrology as well as KP is that if any one > > > consult> > > > > morethan 3 person the answer will be the same.> > > > > > This is my experience.> > > > > > I was not strongin Â Horary system KP fully, hence I took > my > > > friend> > > > > Mr.Purushotham to Mr.Pundareesh who is a KP astrologer at > KRS > > > resident> > > > > of Mysore.> > > > > > My friend gave the number to Mr.Pundareesh, who said he > will > > > send his> > > > > prediction by post.> > > > > > Out of curiocity I too erected the chart for the same > number > > > and> > > > > analysed and predict the date of change of Job.> > > > > > after 4 days we received prediction from Mr.Pundareesh > which > > > tallied> > > > > with my dates.> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > NOTE:> > > > > > Why Horary is easy in many case ?> > > > > > In horary we can analyse the related matter directly and > we > > > willget> > > > > the clues from RP and 11th cuspal sub lord.> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 2:43 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mohankumar> > > > > > Â> > > > > > If the client approach two different k.p. astrologer at > > > different> > > > > times, whether both the astrologer predict the same result > > > through> > > > > Horary.> > > > > > Â> > > > > > In general, the clients are not depending on one > astrologer..> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan > <kpmk_astrology@ > > > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> > > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:34 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan Sir,> > > > > > Sorry for the interruption,> > > > > > May be it's because most KP Astrologers cannot judge an > > event > > > or its> > > > > timing,Â usingÂ a Natal Chart. 'Sublord works good only in > > Horary> > > > > Charts, and not in Natal charts' - this is what I was said > > when > > > I got> > > > > into KP Principles in 2000 by some of the so-called KP > > stalwarts > > > in> > > > > Salem. The same may be the caseÂ elsewhere too.> > > > > > Why SO? When questioned the reason given for this > inability > > > is, "In> > > > > Natal Charts, we do not have assurance of correct Birth > Time, > > > whereas we> > > > > can take exact TimeÂ of AnaysisÂ for Horary approach". ( I> > > > > thinkÂ the truthÂ behind their above reasoning is that many> > > > > practising KP astrologers are not well-versed with Birth Time> > > > > Rectification process, which makes themÂ opt for Horary > > Charts, > > > just> > > > > following Guruji KSK's way, as seen in KP Readers.) Unless > and > > > until one> > > > > is confident in his Birth Time Correction method, one cannot > > > rely on> > > > > Birth Charts for prediction. This is the trouble with KP > > > Astrologers.> > > > > > It's upto one's own capacity to understand or innovate > what > > > Guruji has> > > > > given us.> > > > > > Thank you..> > > > > > MOHAN KUMAR.R.> > > > > > Salem.> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Friday, August 8, 2008, 5:09 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sagar> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Horary is applicable only when there isÂ no horoscope > > > available for> > > > > the individual. When the particulars are available to erect > > > natal chart,> > > > > why you prefer horary.> > > > > > Â> > > > > > DhanabalnÂ Â> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co..in> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > Re: Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage....> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 7:46 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > > I could not erect the natal chart. But I had erected > Horary > > > chart and> > > > > found delay in marriage due to Punarphoo as 7th cusp is > > posited > > > by Moon> > > > > lord of 4th in the star of Mars lord of lagna and 8th in the > > > 5th , Moon> > > > > in the sub of Venus lord of 2nd and 7th in the 5th.> > > > > > Moon and Saturn in Venus sub hence marriage will take > place > > > between> > > > > 14th October 2008 and 20th December 2008.> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Mostly the boy is very near to the girl's resident around > 20 > > > KM/Miles.> > > > > > Somebody is loving your daughter whom with this marriage > has > > > to take> > > > > Â place mostly as 7th lord Venus in the 5th.> > > > > > Moon in the 7th in the sub of VenusÂ is in the 5th.> > > > > > Â> > > > > > All the best at all moments> > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, bhagvatjee bhagvatjee > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > bhagvatjee bhagvatjee >> > > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > > > Thanks very much for your reply. Sagar Ji, I am sorry I do > > not > > > know> > > > > > how to erect a chart in any way. If you want I can give > some > > > other> > > > > > details of her life events, but I am unable to erect the > > > chart. I am> > > > > > so sorry.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please help.> > > > > > With due regards> > > > > > Sushma> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups..com, Sagar S ssagar86@ .> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi> > > > > > > Give methe chart erected as per kp with cuspal sub lords > > aand> > > > > > planetary possitions with cuspal sub lord and dasha > periods > > > with> > > > > > bhukti.> > > > > > > Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 23/7/08, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ .....> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> > > > > > > Re: Matching of Horoscopes,view > > > marriage...> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008, 4:37 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sagar Ji> > > > > > > From your correspondence, it seems hat you are very good > > at > > > telling> > > > > > > the clue of timing of events. I am looking for the > answer > > of > > > my one> > > > > > > question, for quite some time, I have a high hope that I > > > will find> > > > > > > that nswer here. If you can tell me something about this > I > > > will be> > > > > > > very grateful to you. I have a daughter whose details > are -> > > > > > > Place: Dehra Dun, Uttaraanchal, India;> > > > > > > Time: 9.40 PM (that is what we know)> > > > > > > 15 March 1968> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Her engagement was broken twice, then married once on > 2nd > > > Jan 1999,> > > > > > > then divorced. What are the prospects of her marrige? > And > > > children> > > > > > too> > > > > > > if any one is in her Destiny?> > > > > > > God bless you and thank you in advance> > > > > > > Sushma> > > > > > >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S > <ssagar86@ .> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi> > > > > > > > Dasha+Bhuti+ antara+Sookshma linkage periods will give > > the > > > clue> > > > > > of> > > > > > > timimg of events> > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over > India. > > Go> > > > > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. > > > Click here> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on> > > > > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ > > tools/tools- > > > 08.html/> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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