Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear members For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used. 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps. 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Tin Win Please refer page 300 in volume II(1966) under the heading “Nature of service”. I reproduce:- “According to this method-(a) one should note where exactly the meridian falls : (b) the lord of the sign, the star and sub. Also take into account the planet very close to the meridian. The profession is indicated by the combination of these planets and the dasa lord in progress.” So the planets very close to the cusps are the prime significators. The 4 step theory consider this point and fixed the orb as 3.20” degree, considered the planets as primary significators. Some astrologers of this group are considering the orb around 5 degree. Mr.KSK gave orb for each planets. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:30 AM Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Tin Win The planets closer to the bhava are stronger. Though the planet is in the previous bhava but closer to the next cusp, the planet will give result to the next cusp. Please refer page 171 of “Astrology is science” Tamil book by Mr.KSK, published in 1958 by Lakshmi Instant Printers, Chennai. The translation version is produced:- “As already told in the previous chapter, after dividing the bhavas approximately 30 degree distance, the planets very close to the cusp will give effect to that bhava strongly. The strength of the cusp is going on decreasing from the cuspal point and after certain point. 5 degree prior to the next bhava, the effect of the next bhava is started experiencing its result” Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:30 AM Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan R Sir, May I know which ayanamsa do you prefer? You prefer that of Lahiri or KP Streightline or KP New? I am sorry for intervening. Kindly excuse me for the same. With due regards. Dr. Luther tw853 <tw853 Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 9:30:46 PM Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 This doesn't mean the prime (strong KP grade A) significators as said in the 4 step. It means the planet close to a cusp can give the result is this cusp (as shown below) and this is the KP grade E significator by conjunction and there is no way to become the grade A significator. The view of giving the results of next house only is given by: 1) KP Reader IV, page 108: Rahu posited in 10th but very near the 11th cusp within 2‹ 30Œ gives marriage which is the result of 11th. 2) K.M. Subramaniam (Sub Lord Speaks): The planet in 8th house but near 9th cusp gives higher education to the native. 3) T. Rajendra Kumar (KP & Astrology Year Book 2000 & 2003 and The Times of Astrlogy): If a planet within 1‹ or 2‹ behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the following house, gains the significance of the following house, e.g. Jupiter gains significance of the 6th house and loses signification of the 5th house where Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6th house. 4) C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (K.P. & Astrology Year Book 2005): As Moon is in closed proximity to the 2nd cusp by 5‹, this planet offers 2nd marriage to the native. 5) K. Subramanium (Astrology for Beginner, Vol. 3): A planet within 5‹ or 6‹ of the next cusp may signify the previous cusp. If it is within 1‹ or 2‹ having the same sub-lord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp. 6) Carl Woebcke (You and the Universe): If Sun is in 3rd house and also within 3‹-4‹ of the 4th house cusp, then its expression through 4th house is at least as strong as through 3rd; if its orb is less than 1.5‹, it should be read as though it were in the 4th house and not in the 3rd at all. 7) Michael McClain: If the planet is close enough to be considered in conjunction with the next house cusp, the action of the planet will most likely be directed into the oncoming house. The view of giving the results of both the previous and next houses is given by: 1) Chandrakant R. Bhatt (Nakshatra Chintamani): If a planet is within 5‹ of the cuspal degree of a house, it exerts its influence on both the houses. (However, he has not epracticallyf used this orb theory in analysis of example charts in his books.) 2) Anant Raichur ( KP Group): It is his experience, as well as of Sunil Gondhalekar that when the planets are close to a cusp, they give not only results of the house they are in, but also predominantly the results of the house to whose cusp they are near. The orb of 3.33‹ (3‹ 20Œ) as 1/4 or a pada of the nakshatra is fixed as an approximation. It is necessary to do research on this issue before we it can be accepted as a rule. But the possibility of such influence should not ignored. 3) Sunil Gondhalekar ( another KP Group): The 3. 33‹ orb is considered egenerallyf but it can be extended to 5‹, eif needed.f If there are planets in the star of such planet close to the next cusp, then such planet will signify the next house but he will not signify the house where he is and also he will not signify the lordship of that planet also. If we consider such planet as a star lord, then he will signify both houses and lordship also. 4) Robert Hand (Horoscope Symbols): His Sun, which is 4‹ back from the 6th house cusp is in the border area and is a mixture of 5th and 6th. (It is as per Koch house system and as per Placidus 6th-house Sun.) , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Tin Win> > > Please refer page 300 in volume II(1966) under the heading gNature of serviceh.> > I reproduce:-> > gAccording to this method-(a) one should note where exactly the meridian falls : (b) the lord of the sign, the star and sub. Also take into account the planet very close to the meridian. The profession is indicated by the combination of these planets and the dasa lord in progress.h> > > So the planets very close to the cusps are the prime significators.> > The 4 step theory consider this point and fixed the orb as 3.20h degree, considered the planets as primary significators.> > Some astrologers of this group are considering the orb around 5 degree.> > Mr.KSK gave orb for each planets.> > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.> > Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:30 AM> > > > > > > > Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers?> Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members> > > > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > > > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > > > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > > > Dhanabalan> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear Luther The annual ayanamsa increment is same for C.G.Rajan and Mr.KSK. C.G.Rajan published the ayanamsa for the year 1840 to 2000 during the year 1940. Mr.KSK has used the ayanamsa having just 2 minutes difference every year compare to C.G.Rajan. Mr.KSK also announced the ayanamsa for the year 1840-2001. It seems a cooked up one. Lahari ayanamsa is used world over. In india also , other than k.p. astrologers all are using Lahari ayanamsa. About 30% of the k.p. astrologers are using Lahari ayanamsa in the name of KP staraight line ayanamsa. I doubt about the research conducted by the KSK group about the ayanamsa. On commercial motive only KSK group is sticking to the old ayanamsa. I agree any ayanamsa if any one conduct a study or research other than the KSK group. Until then I prefer to use Lahari ayanamsa. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 2:12 PM Dear Dhanabalan R Sir, May I know which ayanamsa do you prefer? You prefer that of Lahiri or KP Streightline or KP New? I am sorry for intervening. Kindly excuse me for the same. With due regards. Dr. Luther tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008 9:30:46 PM Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Thank you Sir for your promp reply. With due regards. Dr. Luther Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:04:12 AMRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Dear Luther The annual ayanamsa increment is same for C.G.Rajan and Mr.KSK. C.G.Rajan published the ayanamsa for the year 1840 to 2000 during the year 1940. Mr.KSK has used the ayanamsa having just 2 minutes difference every year compare to C.G.Rajan. Mr.KSK also announced the ayanamsa for the year 1840-2001. It seems a cooked up one. Lahari ayanamsa is used world over. In india also , other than k.p. astrologers all are using Lahari ayanamsa. About 30% of the k.p. astrologers are using Lahari ayanamsa in the name of KP staraight line ayanamsa. I doubt about the research conducted by the KSK group about the ayanamsa. On commercial motive only KSK group is sticking to the old ayanamsa. I agree any ayanamsa if any one conduct a study or research other than the KSK group. Until then I prefer to use Lahari ayanamsa. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 2:12 PM Dear Dhanabalan R Sir, May I know which ayanamsa do you prefer? You prefer that of Lahiri or KP Streightline or KP New? I am sorry for intervening. Kindly excuse me for the same. With due regards. Dr. Luther tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comTuesday, August 5, 2008 9:30:46 PM Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 More information in the article " A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp " , ASTROVISION, June 2008 , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Tin Win > > The planets closer to the bhava are stronger. Though the planet is in the previous bhava but closer to the next cusp, the planet will give result to the next cusp. > > Please refer page 171 of " Astrology is science " Tamil book by Mr.KSK, published in 1958 by Lakshmi Instant Printers, Chennai. The translation version is produced:- > > " As already told in the previous chapter, after dividing the bhavas approximately 30 degree distance, the planets very close to the cusp will give effect to that bhava strongly. The strength of the cusp is going on decreasing from the cuspal point and after certain point. 5 degree prior to the next bhava, the effect of the next bhava is started experiencing its result " > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. > > Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:30 AM > Guruji KSK doesn't say so. Is there any reference in the Original KP 2 volumes or KP Readers? > Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees. > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used. > > > > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps.. > > > > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora. > > > > Dhanabalan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used. > > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps.. > > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora. > > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear Pandey I agree with you. What I want to tell is the software developers can give preference to choose the house system either to bhava begin or to bhava middle like in Jagannath Hora free software. It is only a suggestion to the software developers. Thank you Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:56 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Never ever Guruji KSK said or used this or that orb, only confusing with writing about the Western aspects. Who cares what one is taking what he likes. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Tin Win > > There is no dispute in using placidous system. > My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. > > Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. > > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. > > Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM > Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used. > > > > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps.. > > > > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora. > > > > Dhanabalan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Dear chiitturu The cusp in k.p. and bhava middle in vedic are same.No confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/9/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:25 AM Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 4:24 PM Dear chiitturu The cusp in k.p. and bhava middle in vedic are same.No confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/9/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 2:25 AM Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Chitturu As said, only the planets closer to the cusp say 5 degree only will help to the cusp. The planets beyond 5 degrees are not effective. However, the planets 15 degree away from the cusp can be taken as to the next bhava is my option. Please study the residential strength of planets in vedic. Please see the Parasaralite 6 software. You can understand what I said. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 8/10/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 2:34 AM There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 4:24 PM Dear chiitturu The cusp in k.p. and bhava middle in vedic are same.No confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/9/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 2:25 AM Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan, Your "pontificating" that Bhava middle and Bhava beginning are the same does not gel...it cannot apply to Higher Northern Lattitudes or Southern Lattitudes... L.Y.Rao. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Sunday, 10 August, 2008 4:44:33 PMRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Dear Chitturu As said, only the planets closer to the cusp say 5 degree only will help to the cusp. The planets beyond 5 degrees are not effective. However, the planets 15 degree away from the cusp can be taken as to the next bhava is my option. Please study the residential strength of planets in vedic. Please see the Parasaralite 6 software. You can understand what I said. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 8/10/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSunday, August 10, 2008, 2:34 AM There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 4:24 PM Dear chiitturu The cusp in k.p. and bhava middle in vedic are same.No confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/9/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 2:25 AM Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear L.Y.Rao The Placidus system is applicable between 66N to 66S. The question of applying to Higher Northern Lattitudes or Southern Lattitudes does not arise. Everything will be the same. All the cuspal points are same. All the cuspal sub, sub sub, etc. are same. In which house the planets are posited is the only change. In the bhava begin system, the planets posited between 0 degree(bhava begin) and 30 degree(Bhava end) are considered as in house I. In the bhava middle system, the planets posited within 15 degree from the first cusp is considered as in first house. The planets posited between 15 and 30 degree from the cusp is considered as in house II. First cusp in k.p. is the first bhava middle in vedic. If the first cusp falls at 5 degree in Aries, bhava middle in vedic system falls in 5 degree in Aries only. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Cc: "Dhanabalan r" <dhanabalanrSunday, August 10, 2008, 1:56 PM Dear Dhanabalan, Your "pontificating" that Bhava middle and Bhava beginning are the same does not gel...it cannot apply to Higher Northern Lattitudes or Southern Lattitudes.. . L.Y.Rao. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, 10 August, 2008 4:44:33 PMRe: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P. Dear Chitturu As said, only the planets closer to the cusp say 5 degree only will help to the cusp. The planets beyond 5 degrees are not effective. However, the planets 15 degree away from the cusp can be taken as to the next bhava is my option. Please study the residential strength of planets in vedic. Please see the Parasaralite 6 software. You can understand what I said. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 8/10/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSunday, August 10, 2008, 2:34 AM There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 4:24 PM Dear chiitturu The cusp in k.p. and bhava middle in vedic are same.No confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/9/08, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comSaturday, August 9, 2008, 2:25 AM Sir, I agree with Sri. Punit Pandey sir, research is good - when you deviate from the base - it may be called a new system by itself - Bhava arambha is the crux of KP system - if you change this - better you do not call it as KP system/ call it as your openion. rao chitturu --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, This is your preference (probably) based on your experience. There are KP astrologers, including myself, who have seen excellent results with the smaller orb. This is my preference based on my expereince. We all free to form our opinions but if we have to suggest it to others, it needs to be supported by practical study/ research. Without any practical study/ research, it is going to remain an opinoin only. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Tin Win There is no dispute in using placidous system. My suggestion is to use the placidous system with 15 degree orb on each side of cusp instead of 5 degree orb. Mr.KSK said that the planets closer( 5 degree orb) to the first cusp on either side will give the result to first house. Planets closer (5 degree orb) to the second cusp either side will give the result to the second house. If a planet is posited in the first bhava between 6 degree and 25 degree, what is the contribution by the planet to the first bhava and second bhava. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: Bhava middle system for K.P.@gro ups.comWednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:19 PM Without using the Placidus house system, it's not KP. The Placidus house system is one of the three pillars of KP. Depending which house system is used, the location of planets in the houses will change and cosequently the significators of houses will chane. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > For k.p., bhava middle system of house division can be used.> > 1) The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb on each side of cusp, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of houses say 7th for marriage, first for personality, 5th for children, 10th for profession. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. > > 2) Then where is the weakest point in the bhava? Naturally the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from each of the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. Mr.KSK also is telling the same. i.e. planets closer to the cusp are the strongest especially within 5 degrees.. The contribution to the cusp by the planet is reduced if the distance from the cusp is increasing and becomes nil in the middle between two cusps..> > 3) In principle both vedic and Mr.KSK are same. The free software Jagannatha Hora has the option to choose either bhava begin or bhava middle for Placidus system. The same option should be given by all the k.p. software developers. I did not see this option other than Jagannatha Hora. I am 100% satisfied with the ephemeris used in Jagannatha Hora.> > Dhanabalan> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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