BTR CONFUSION

August 15, 2008

Dear swami

K.p. has come from vedic only. K.p. is an advancement of vedic. So any vedic rules can be accomodated in k.p.

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 8/15/08, swami <swami wrote:

swami <swamiRe: Re: BTR CONFUSION Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 4:13 PM

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear sir,

It is not easy to expalin by mail.

I will post article in file section in future, in case i find time to pen it down.

Being KP forum i do not expect Moderator to approve it.

with regards

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

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Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:31 PM

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Dear Swami Can you explain to the members how to rectify the birth time using vedic methods.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 8/14/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION@gro ups.comThursday, August 14, 2008, 9:57 AM

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear TWji,

Very imprtant question.I was just glancing KP reader vol i.I did not find a single example of reading a chart where in rectifcation is undertaken before chart reading.

Alhough many say Birth time should be rectified first and then chart should be casted,How many follow it?

I do not know, but in serious work I certainly do conduct check but I am no expert in KP method so i use vedic methods.

Perhaps only writing i know is of chart of Indira gandhi where he rectified the chart and published article about events in her life.( ref A & A July 1971)

He undertook rectification on 3 may 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi.

( unfortunaetly He did not say how he arrived at rectified Birth time although He told sign-star sub based on RP and talked of Prenatal epoch theory)

He gave chart did not mention rectified Birth time.Just for interested students,I woked it out .with Ayanamsa 22:37:14 the BT is 11:39:29PM with ASC Leo 3D42M04S.

There may be more , but this is what i remember at the moment.

with regards

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCS

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

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tw853

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:57 PM

Re: BTR CONFUSION

Dear All,

In the KP Readers, are there how many practicle examples that Guruji KSK "first" BTRed and only after that made the chart analysis?.

Thanks and regards,

tw

Food for Thought

Only at the end of his Krishnamurti Padghdhati, KP Reader III or the original KP Vol. 2, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, "I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers andholar and to the research scholars."

Regarding the doubt about correct Time of Birth, it is an established fact that it is next to impossible to fix a correct time of birth, the reason being none knows what is the criteria to be followed to find out the correct time of birth. Even a Doctor who is also an Astrologer, has said that when he wanted to know the correct time of birth for his two daughters by making himself present in the labour room where the delivery took place, he has failed in his attempt. He says when the head came out of the womb of the Mother a very low hizzing noise came from the new born Child. At that stage neither the full body of the child came out nor the umbilical card was cut. He was doubtful whether the low hizzing noise indicates the first breath taken by the child etc. and if so that can be taken as correct time of birth…

-K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (22-12-2005)

Before concluding I would like to draw your kind attention to the writing of Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary, a copy of which I have already sent. I have also seen that this write up has been discussed in the KP Groups, two or three times and tw has already mentioned about it. From that writing one thing is clear viz., we are yet to understand and decide the mode of recording the correct time of birth, i.e., whether it is - i) when the child breaths first (when this happens, no one knows as clearly pointed out by Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary) ii) when the child's head appears from the womb of the Mother, iii) when the child cries first and iv) when the umbilical cord is cut and Mother and Child is separated. Under these conditions I am afraid all are in a wild goose chase only

and anybody can apply any rule that works for him at all times. But the question is whether the same rule helps others also who are in such situations. Perhaps not. For this there may be umpteen reasons and causes which cannot be defined. But in my opinion, before taking any chart, Pray to GURUJI, follow GURUJI'S methods fully and He will come to your help.

GOOD LUCK K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI. (Msg#5054, 16-6-2005) @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@. ..> wrote:>> Dear sri Luther Ji,> > You are absolutely correctinÂ in high lighting the importance of Birth Time upto exact second, more so in KP system which is based on sub and sub sub. InÂ traditional Hindu astrologyÂ Birth Time upto exact second may not be that much important. ofcourse it may be important in divisional chartsÂ D-60 and above.> > Lot of discussion took place in this group on "Birth Time is the time ofÂ new born's 1st breath"Â Is the above Birth Time corrected upto exact second is the time of the native's 1st breath ? God only knows. Even if some KP astrologer sits in the labor room with stop watch to record the time of new born's time of 1st breath, it is a matter of dispute what is 1st breath - 1st cry 1st movement of hands etc. By the time it is noted it may be 2nd

or 3rd or 4th breath time. who knows except the God.> > I, therefore, feel that the Birth Time which confirms all the life events of the native as per existing KP principles, is the CORRECT AND EXACT BIRTH TIME...> > Â In KPE-zine and Astrovision I found most of the articles on successful prediction made on natal charts, the Birth Times do not confirm / satisfy any of the existing RBT theories. Pl note I said Mostly and not all.Â Those KP astrologers replied on enquiry, normally Birth Time is not verified unless doubt expressed by the native. How many natives know as the importance of exact Birth Time especially in KP system..> The FACT is no body bothers about birth time as long the prediction comes true> I observed in this forum, the discussions MOSTLY on theortical aspect rather than on practical experience and they safely and conveniently ignore / hide the practicaly reality.> , >

To avoid all the above problems, MOSTÂ of the KP astrologers are safely and conveniently resorting to HORARY method.> > Regards..> > Naidu KP> K. P. Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:> Luther Rath rathluther@.. ...> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > In continuation to previous message: - > This is only an example. > Supposing : -> X is born atÂ Â Â Â Â 8-07 AMÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â

AscendantÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Leo 26-42-07Â Sun-Sun-Sun> Â > Leo 26-42-07 = Sun-Sun-Sun- Moon sub-sub> Because: -> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sun sub begins at LeoÂ Â 26-40-00> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ascendant falls atÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â 26-42-07> Who can certify that the birth was exactly at 8-07-00 AM and not 20 seconds earlier or later? May I bring to notice that watch of none is rectified to the extent of seconds? When ever some body mentions time in hour and minute it is always (+) or (-)few seconds. Hope one and all agree to it.> Â > Ascendant has crossed the arc of 2 minutes allotted to Sun sub-sub and entered in to Moon sub-sub for 07 seconds of

zodiac.> Â > In such a case the birth of X could be at Hr 8-06-57 seconds.> This 7 seconds in Moon sub-sub needs 3.333/15*7 = 1.6 or 2 seconds only. That means 2 seconds earlier than 8-07-00 AM Ascendant was in Sun sub-sub. A mater of two seconds of time could change the sub-sub from sun to Moon.> That means: -> Birth at 8-06-57 Ascendant was at Sun-Sun-Sun- Sun.> Birth at 8-07-00 Ascendant was at Sun-Sun-Sun- Moon.> Â > Now one can understand how sensitive is an Ascendant.> But the tragedy is the consultant cannot give birth time to be 8-06-57 A.M. He will only say 8 hours and 7 minutes. And we give prediction for Moon sub-sub. Does it therefore every one should rectify birth time to seconds and sub-sub?> At present there is so much of controversy to fix the sub of the ascendant. Discussion continues on Ascendant-Moon relation, Ascendant-RP relation, Ascendant-IX cusp

relation, Ascendant-epoch relation and may be more. Then what to speak of fixing the sub-sub?> There are at least 60 sub-sub zones that pass away with in one minute; in the zodiac. So during minute wise calculation these are vulnerable to be missed. So while considering sub-sub of an Ascendant one must be extremely cautious. The risk is more at the junctures. > Â > Dr. Luther> Â > > > > > Luther Rath rathluther >> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:12:41 PM> Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> The query is not directed to me, although, I wanted to share my opinion. I may please be excused for the same.> Before we try to find out the answers we have to look in to the division of sign, star

and subs.> Â > 7th August 2008> Â > 8-06 Am Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AscendantÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Leo 26-27-56Â Sun-Venus-Kethu> 8-07 AMÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AscendantÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Leo 26-42-07Â Sun-Sun-Sun> 8-08 AMÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â AscendantÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Leo 26-59-19Â Sun-Sun-Sun> Every sign of the zodiac covers 30 degrees. So also does Leo.> Every star is allotted with 13-20-00 degrees. So also Uttara Phalguni, ruled by Sun. But the subs have not been allotted uniformly but according to the allotment done in Vimshodari system. So also the sub-sub. > Â > In Uttara Phalguni the arc of different

planets are as follows: -> Sun gets an arc ofÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 40.0 Mins> KethuÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 46.7 Mins> MarsÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 46.7 Mins> Moon

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 66.7 Mins> JupiterÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 106.7 Mins> MercuryÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 113.3 Mins>

RahuÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 120.0 Mins> SaturnÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 126.7 Mins> VenusÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 133.3 Mins> Thus while Sun sub gets only 40 minutes Venus

gets 133.3 minuts. So in Sun sub, the sub-sub lords get smaller zones in comparison to zones in Venus and of course in all other subs.> Division of 40 minutes of Sun sub: -> Sun gets an arc ofÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2.000 Mins> KethuÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2.333 Mins>

MarsÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2.333 Mins> Moon Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 3.333 Mins> JupiterÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5.333

Mins> MercuryÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5.667 Mins> RahuÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 6.000 Mins> SaturnÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 6.333 Mins>

VenusÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 6.667 Mins> The Ascendant takes approximately 2 hours to traverse a sign.> 1 Sign =30 degrees = 1800 minutes in arc of zodiacal zone.> 2 hours = 120 minutes in time.> Â > So in 120 minutes of time Lagna covers = 1800 minutes of arc.> Therefore in 1 minute it coversÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â =Â 1800/120 = 15 minutes of arc.> In other words 15 minutes of arc is covered in 1 minute or 60 seconds.> Therefore 1 minutes of arc is covered in 15*60/60 =15 seconds.> Let us examine Sunâ€™s sub that has

smallest zone in zodiac.> So the time taken by Ascendant to cross each sub-sub will be as follows: -> SunÂ Â Â Â Â 15 secs*2.000Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 30 secs> KethuÂ 15 secs*2.333Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 35 secs> Mars Â Â 15 secs*2.333Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 35 secs> MoonÂ Â 15 secs*3.333Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 50 secs> JupiterÂ 15 secs*5.333Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-20 secs> Mercury15 sec*5.667Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-25 secs> RahuÂ Â Â 15

secs*6.000Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-30 secs> Saturn 15 secs*6.333Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-35 secs> Venus Â 15 secs*6.667Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-40 secs> Â > From the above one can come to a conclusion that if the 1st child is born in Leo in UttaraPhalguni in the sub of Sun and in sub-sub of son and the second of the twins takes birth only after 30 seconds the sub-sub changes to Ketu. If the second is born after 1 min and 40 seconds the sub-sub changes and may be it bypasses 2 or three sub-subs. So a difference of 2 minutes in birth time brings a lot of differences in the twins.> Let us then examine sub-sub f Venus that has maximum of arc.> Â > SunÂ Â Â Â Â 15

secs*6.667Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-40 secs> KethuÂ 15 secs*7.778Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-56 secs> Mars Â Â 15 secs*7.778Â =Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 min-56 secs> MoonÂ Â 15 secs*11.111=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2 min-47 secs> JupiterÂ 15 secs*17.778=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 4 min-27 secs> Mercury15 sec*18.889=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 4 min-43 secs> RahuÂ Â Â 15 secs*20.000=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5 min-00 secs> Saturn 15 secs*21.111=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5

min-17 secs> Venus Â 15 secs*22.222=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5 min-33 secs> In case twins are born at a difference of 2 minutes in Sun, Kethu or Mars sub-sub the sub-sub of the Ascendant will change. If birth is 5 min and 33 seconds apart in any sub the sub-sub must change and there will be difference between the twins in many aspects.> Â > Transit of Moon also will vary accordingly. This variation will bring about difference in D/B/A/S/P etc.The transit of Moon shall not change remarkably as the Ascendant does.> Â > Dr. Luther> Â > > > > > tranquas tranquas >> @gro ups..com> Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:20:01 PM> Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > > Thank you Mr. RAO JI and MR.

PANDEY JI> > My strong doubt is moon stays in a star apprx. 24 hrs and in a sub > apprx.2.40 hrs. For this the relative lagna star will be apprx. 54 > mins. sub will be appx. 6 mins and sub/sub is 40 seconds.> > when moon is in the sub for 2.40hrs and one lagna time of apprx. 2 > hrs the people born on the entire two hrs will get same lagna sub > lord/sub sub lord.> > SHRI KSK says that even twins born in few mins gap has different > sub/subsub. Even said to take only lagna for prediction since moon > stays long in a star/sub.> > Kindly seek your valuable advice > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lajmi ji,> > > > It is addendum to the ascendant-moon connection method. I believe > that> >> selection of BTR method is astrologer's

preference and I don't > have any> > objection to that. I just wanted to communicate that the forum is > divided on> > this topic and not everybody accepts it as a correct method. I > just wanted> > to put whole forum's perspective in front of new members.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi > lyrastro1@ ..>wrote:> > > > > Dear Tranquas & Punit,> > > Allow me to refer you to a > recent book> > > *Progeny & Romance, in the Chapter :*> > > *The Prenatal Epoch and Progeny K.P.R.P.,Pp 34 - 55,examples > have been> > > given by the author of this article...*> > > * ** Perusal of the above will > remove all> > > myths and

prejudices,about Prenatal Epoch in my humble > opinion.It has been> > >> consistently found that the RPs at Birth and the RPs at the time > of> > > conception/fertilis ation of the ovum,*> > > * * Further to the mehod of > BTRT that I> > > follow,I do not forget to confirm with > RPs...Fortunately, Mr.Raichur' s SW> > > gives the RPs of any Chart Horary or Natal along with the > planetary and> > > cuspal positions up to the sub-sub-sub level...> > > The method I use is advocated > for> > > Birthtimes to be rectified + or - 30 minutes away from the exact > TOB...> > > *KSK shared the SECRET.....from > Linda> > > Goodman's book :*> > > "*A woman can conceive only > during> > > aproximately two hours period,of each Lunar Month,when

the SUN > and the MOON> > > are exactly the same degrees apart,as they were at the TOB of > the* *Female> > > in question*... "> > > With best wishes,> > >> L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > > > > > Punit Pandey punitp@> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 10:39:59 AM> > > Re: BTR CONFUSION> > >> > > Dear Tranquas ji,> > >> > > Just want to point out that the forum is divided on the accuracy > of this> > > method. Please check old archive on this topic and the file > section.> > >> > > Lajmi ji is one of the strong believer of this method and some > other senior> > > members don't believe this

method.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > Twitter: http://twitter. com/punitastrolo > ger<http://twitter. com/punitastrolo ger>> > > FriendFeed: http://friendfeed. com/punitastrolo > ger<http://friendfeed. com/punitastrolo ger>> > >> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:58 AM, tranquas tranquas (AT) (DOT) > com<tranquas@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > >> > >> Respected seniors,> > >>> > >> PL.clarify on bitrh time rectification:> > >>> > >> Shri KSK got a flash when he studied TWINS BIRTH CHART who born > in a> > >> few minutes difference with same LAGNA, MOON STAR AND SUB. But> > >>> between the twins there is much much

difference in all > activities.> > >>> > >> Then only he determined that the LAGNA SUB IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT > AND> > >> THIS IS THE DIRECTOR and evolved more.> > >>> > >> In the forum BTR is explained as to take MOON STAR LORD AND SUB > LORD> > >> as lagna sub lord and sub sub lord.> > >>> > >> If we take for example STAR LORD SUN and sublord SUN, for a > given> > >> lagna the period varies from 33 minutes(may 1,1966,lagna > tarus,time> > >> 8.25to8.58) to 1 hour17min.(august 27,1966 virgo, time 7.42 to > 8.59)> > >> (At7.42am, 1.31@lagna-sun/ jupiter to 8.59am, 20.53@moon/ven, > here it> > >> is not possible to take sun as lagna sublord since sun sub is > coming> > >> at 9.07am only, at that

time moon is in sun/moon> > >>> > >> If we> adjust as per BTR the people born or even twins on this > moon> > >> star/sub will get same lagna sublord even though there is much > time> > >> gap.> > >>> > >> ISN'T CONTRADICTS SHRI KSK> > >> pl...advice> > >>> > >>> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > Get an email ID as yourname@ or yourname@ Click> > > > here.<http://in.rd. / tagline_dbid_ 4/*http:/ /in.promos. .c> om/address>> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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August 16, 2008

Hi

I have arrived Moon sign Mercury stara and Satrurn sub as Indhira gandhi Lagna

Mrs.Mridhula trivedi's one of article with Indhira Gandhi chart shown MOON/MER/SAT degre.Min.sec

SS--- On Fri, 15/8/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: BTR CONFUSION Date: Friday, 15 August, 2008, 7:47 AM

Dear Swami ji,1. If so, there is no reason to be crazy for the BTR.2. I had got this BTR of Indira Gandhi. This BTRed time is too far from the historical records of around 11:11 PM to be accepatable.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah> Hari Om,> Dear TWji,> Very imprtant question.I was just glancing KP reader vol i.I did not find a single example of reading a chart where in rectifcation is undertaken before chart reading.> Alhough many say Birth time should be rectified first and then chart should be casted,How many follow it?> I do not know, but in serious work I certainly do conduct check but I am no expert in KP method so i use vedic

methods.> Perhaps only writing i know is of chart of Indira gandhi where he rectified the chart and published article about events in her life.( ref A & A July 1971)> He undertook rectification on 3 may 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi.> ( unfortunaetly He did not say how he arrived at rectified Birth time although He told sign-star sub based on RP and talked of Prenatal epoch theory)> He gave chart did not mention rectified Birth time.Just for interested students,I woked it out .with Ayanamsa 22:37:14 the BT is 11:39:29PM with ASC Leo 3D42M04S.> There may be more , but this is what i remember at the moment.> with regards> OM TATSAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCS > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the

three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > - > tw853 > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:57 PM> Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > > Dear All,> > In the KP Readers, are there how many practicle examples that Guruji KSK "first" BTRed and only after that made the chart analysis?. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > Food for Thought> > > Only at the end of his Krishnamurti Padghdhati, KP Reader III or the original KP Vol. 2, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, "I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can

rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers andholar and to the research scholars."> > > Regarding the doubt about correct Time of Birth, it is an established fact that it is next to impossible to fix a correct time of birth, the reason being none knows what is the criteria to be followed to find out the correct time of birth. Even a Doctor who is also an Astrologer, has said that when he wanted to know the correct time of birth for his two daughters by making himself present in the labour room where the delivery took place, he has failed in his attempt. He says when the head came out of the womb of the Mother a very low hizzing noise came from the new born Child. At that stage neither the full body of the child came out nor the umbilical card was cut. He was doubtful whether the low hizzing noise indicates the first breath taken by the child etc. and if so that can be taken

as correct time of birth. > > -K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (22-12-2005)> > > > Before concluding I would like to draw your kind attention to the writing of Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary, a copy of which I have already sent. I have also seen that this write up has been discussed in the KP Groups, two or three times and tw has already mentioned about it. From that writing one thing is clear viz., we are yet to understand and decide the mode of recording the correct time of birth, i.e., whether it is - i) when the child breaths first (when this happens, no one knows as clearly pointed out by Dr.Satyaprakash Choudhary) ii) when the child's head appears from the womb of the Mother, iii) when the child cries first and iv) when the umbilical cord is cut and Mother and Child is separated. Under these conditions I am afraid all are in a wild goose chase only and anybody can apply

any rule that works for him at all times. But the question is whether the same rule helps others also who are in such situations. Perhaps not. For this there may be umpteen reasons and causes which cannot be defined. But in my opinion, before taking any chart, Pray to GURUJI, follow GURUJI'S methods fully and He will come to your help.> > GOOD LUCK> > K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI. (Msg#5054, 16-6-2005)> > > > > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dear sri Luther Ji,> > > > You are absolutely correctinÃ‚ in high lighting the importance of Birth Time upto exact second, more so in KP system which is based on sub and sub sub. InÃ‚ traditional Hindu astrologyÃ‚ Birth Time upto exact second may not be that

much important. ofcourse it may be important in divisional chartsÃ‚ D-60 and above.> > > > Lot of discussion took place in this group on "Birth Time is the time ofÃ‚ new born's 1st breath"Ã‚ Is the above Birth Time corrected upto exact second is the time of the native's 1st breath ? God only knows. Even if some KP astrologer sits in the labor room with stop watch to record the time of new born's time of 1st breath, it is a matter of dispute what is 1st breath - 1st cry 1st movement of hands etc. By the time it is noted it may be 2nd or 3rd or 4th breath time. who knows except the God.> > > > I, therefore, feel that the Birth Time which confirms all the life events of the native as per existing KP principles, is the CORRECT AND EXACT BIRTH TIME.> > > > Ã‚ In KPE-zine and Astrovision I found most of the articles on successful prediction made on natal

charts, the Birth Times do not confirm / satisfy any of the existing RBT theories. Pl note I said Mostly and not all.Ã‚ Those KP astrologers replied on enquiry, normally Birth Time is not verified unless doubt expressed by the native. How many natives know as the importance of exact Birth Time especially in KP system.> > The FACT is no body bothers about birth time as long the prediction comes true> > I observed in this forum, the discussions MOSTLY on theortical aspect rather than on practical experience and they safely and conveniently ignore / hide the practicaly reality.> > , > > To avoid all the above problems, MOSTÃ‚ of the KP astrologers are safely and conveniently resorting to HORARY method.> > > > Regards.> > > > Naidu KP> > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> >

Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/08, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> > Luther Rath rathluther@> > Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In continuation to previous message: - > > This is only an example. > > Supposing : -> > X is born atÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 8-07 AMÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ AscendantÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Leo 26-42-07Ã‚ Sun-Sun-Sun> > Ã‚ > > Leo 26-42-07 = Sun-Sun-Sun- Moon sub-sub> > Because: -> > Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Sun sub begins at LeoÃ‚ Ã‚ 26-40-00> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ascendant falls atÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 26-42-07> > Who can certify that the birth was exactly at 8-07-00 AM and not 20 seconds earlier or later? May I bring to notice that watch of none is rectified to the extent of seconds? When ever some body mentions time in hour and minute it is always (+) or (-)few seconds. Hope one and all agree to it.> > Ã‚ > > Ascendant has crossed the arc of 2 minutes allotted to Sun sub-sub and entered in to Moon sub-sub for 07 seconds of zodiac.> > Ã‚ > > In such a case the birth of X could be at Hr 8-06-57 seconds.> > This 7 seconds in Moon sub-sub needs 3.333/15*7 = 1.6 or 2 seconds only. That means 2 seconds earlier than 8-07-00 AM Ascendant was in Sun sub-sub. A mater of two seconds of time could change the sub-sub

from sun to Moon.> > That means: -> > Birth at 8-06-57 Ascendant was at Sun-Sun-Sun- Sun.> > Birth at 8-07-00 Ascendant was at Sun-Sun-Sun- Moon.> > Ã‚ > > Now one can understand how sensitive is an Ascendant.> > But the tragedy is the consultant cannot give birth time to be 8-06-57 A.M. He will only say 8 hours and 7 minutes. And we give prediction for Moon sub-sub. Does it therefore every one should rectify birth time to seconds and sub-sub?> > At present there is so much of controversy to fix the sub of the ascendant. Discussion continues on Ascendant-Moon relation, Ascendant-RP relation, Ascendant-IX cusp relation, Ascendant-epoch relation and may be more. Then what to speak of fixing the sub-sub?> > There are at least 60 sub-sub zones that pass away with in one minute; in the zodiac. So during minute wise calculation these are vulnerable

to be missed. So while considering sub-sub of an Ascendant one must be extremely cautious. The risk is more at the junctures. > > Ã‚ > > Dr. Luther> > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > Luther Rath rathluther >> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:12:41 PM> > Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > The query is not directed to me, although, I wanted to share my opinion. I may please be excused for the same.> > Before we try to find out the answers we have to look in to the division of sign, star and subs.> > Ã‚ > > 7th August 2008> > Ã‚ > > 8-06 Am Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ AscendantÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Leo 26-27-56Ã‚ Sun-Venus-Kethu> > 8-07 AMÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ AscendantÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Leo 26-42-07Ã‚ Sun-Sun-Sun> > 8-08 AMÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ AscendantÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Leo 26-59-19Ã‚ Sun-Sun-Sun> > Every sign of the zodiac covers 30 degrees. So also does Leo.> > Every star is allotted with 13-20-00 degrees. So also Uttara Phalguni, ruled by Sun. But the subs have not been allotted uniformly but according to the allotment done in Vimshodari system. So also the sub-sub. > > Ã‚ > > In Uttara Phalguni the arc of different planets are as follows: -> > Sun gets an arc ofÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 40.0 Mins> > KethuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 46.7 Mins> > MarsÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 46.7 Mins> > Moon Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 66.7 Mins> > JupiterÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 106.7 Mins> > MercuryÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 113.3 Mins> > RahuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 120.0 Mins> > SaturnÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 126.7 Mins> > VenusÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 133.3 Mins> > Thus while Sun sub gets only 40

minutes Venus gets 133.3 minuts. So in Sun sub, the sub-sub lords get smaller zones in comparison to zones in Venus and of course in all other subs.> > Division of 40 minutes of Sun sub: -> > Sun gets an arc ofÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 2.000 Mins> > KethuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 2.333 Mins> > MarsÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 2.333 Mins> > Moon Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 3.333 Mins> > JupiterÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 5.333 Mins> > MercuryÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 5.667 Mins> > RahuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 6.000 Mins> > SaturnÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 6.333 Mins> > VenusÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 6.667 Mins> > The Ascendant takes approximately 2 hours to traverse a sign.> > 1 Sign =30 degrees = 1800 minutes in arc of zodiacal zone.> > 2 hours = 120 minutes in time.> > Ã‚ > > So in 120 minutes of time Lagna covers = 1800 minutes of arc.> > Therefore in 1 minute it coversÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ =Ã‚ 1800/120 = 15 minutes of arc.> > In other words 15 minutes of arc is covered in 1 minute

or 60 seconds.> > Therefore 1 minutes of arc is covered in 15*60/60 =15 seconds.> > Let us examine SunÃ¢?Ts sub that has smallest zone in zodiac.> > So the time taken by Ascendant to cross each sub-sub will be as follows: -> > SunÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*2.000Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 30 secs> > KethuÃ‚ 15 secs*2.333Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 35 secs> > Mars Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*2.333Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 35 secs> > MoonÃ‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*3.333Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 50 secs> > JupiterÃ‚ 15 secs*5.333Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-20 secs> > Mercury15 sec*5.667Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-25 secs> > RahuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*6.000Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-30 secs> > Saturn 15 secs*6.333Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-35 secs> > Venus Ã‚ 15 secs*6.667Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-40

secs> > Ã‚ > > From the above one can come to a conclusion that if the 1st child is born in Leo in UttaraPhalguni in the sub of Sun and in sub-sub of son and the second of the twins takes birth only after 30 seconds the sub-sub changes to Ketu. If the second is born after 1 min and 40 seconds the sub-sub changes and may be it bypasses 2 or three sub-subs. So a difference of 2 minutes in birth time brings a lot of differences in the twins.> > Let us then examine sub-sub f Venus that has maximum of arc.> > Ã‚ > > SunÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*6.667Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-40 secs> > KethuÃ‚ 15 secs*7.778Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-56 secs> > Mars Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*7.778Ã‚ =Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 1 min-56 secs> > MoonÃ‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*11.111=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 2 min-47 secs> > JupiterÃ‚ 15 secs*17.778=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 4

min-27 secs> > Mercury15 sec*18.889=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 4 min-43 secs> > RahuÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 15 secs*20.000=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 5 min-00 secs> > Saturn 15 secs*21.111=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 5 min-17 secs> > Venus Ã‚ 15 secs*22.222=Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 5 min-33 secs> > In case twins are born at a difference of 2 minutes in Sun, Kethu or Mars sub-sub the sub-sub of the Ascendant will change. If birth is 5 min and 33 seconds apart in any sub the sub-sub must change and there will be difference between the twins in many aspects.> > Ã‚ > > Transit of Moon also will vary accordingly. This variation will bring about difference in D/B/A/S/P etc.The transit of Moon shall not change remarkably as the Ascendant does.> > Ã‚ > > Dr. Luther> > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > >

> tranquas tranquas >> > @gro ups..com> > Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:20:01 PM> > Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > > > > > > Thank you Mr. RAO JI and MR. PANDEY JI> > > > My strong doubt is moon stays in a star apprx. 24 hrs and in a sub > > apprx.2.40 hrs. For this the relative lagna star will be apprx. 54 > > mins. sub will be appx. 6 mins and sub/sub is 40 seconds.> > > > when moon is in the sub for 2.40hrs and one lagna time of apprx. 2 > > hrs the people born on the entire two hrs will get same lagna sub > > lord/sub sub lord.> > > > SHRI KSK says that even twins born in few mins gap has different > > sub/subsub. Even said to take only lagna for prediction since moon > > stays long

in a star/sub.> > > > Kindly seek your valuable advice > > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lajmi ji,> > > > > > It is addendum to the ascendant-moon connection method. I believe > > that> > >> > selection of BTR method is astrologer's preference and I don't > > have any> > > objection to that. I just wanted to communicate that the forum is > > divided on> > > this topic and not everybody accepts it as a correct method. I > > just wanted> > > to put whole forum's perspective in front of new members.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM,

Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > lyrastro1@ ..>wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Tranquas & Punit,> > > > Allow me to refer you to a > > recent book> > > > *Progeny & Romance, in the Chapter :*> > > > *The Prenatal Epoch and Progeny K.P.R.P.,Pp 34 - 55,examples > > have been> > > > given by the author of this article...*> > > > * ** Perusal of the above will > > remove all> > > > myths and prejudices,about Prenatal Epoch in my humble > > opinion.It has been> > > >> > consistently found that the RPs at Birth and the RPs at the time > > of> > > > conception/fertilis ation of the ovum,*> > > > * * Further to the mehod of > > BTRT that I> > > > follow,I do not forget to confirm with >

> RPs...Fortunately, Mr.Raichur' s SW> > > > gives the RPs of any Chart Horary or Natal along with the > > planetary and> > > > cuspal positions up to the sub-sub-sub level...> > > > The method I use is advocated > > for> > > > Birthtimes to be rectified + or - 30 minutes away from the exact > > TOB...> > > > *KSK shared the SECRET.....from > > Linda> > > > Goodman's book :*> > > > "*A woman can conceive only > > during> > > > aproximately two hours period,of each Lunar Month,when the SUN > > and the MOON> > > > are exactly the same degrees apart,as they were at the TOB of > > the* *Female> > > > in question*... "> > > > With best wishes,> > > >> > L.Y.Rao.> >

> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 10:39:59 AM> > > > Re: BTR CONFUSION> > > >> > > > Dear Tranquas ji,> > > >> > > > Just want to point out that the forum is divided on the accuracy > > of this> > > > method. Please check old archive on this topic and the file > > section.> > > >> > > > Lajmi ji is one of the strong believer of this method and some > > other senior> > > > members don't believe this method.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> >

> > Twitter: http://twitter. com/punitastrolo > > ger<http://twitter. com/punitastrolo ger>> > > > FriendFeed: http://friendfeed. com/punitastrolo > > ger<http://friendfeed. com/punitastrolo ger>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:58 AM, tranquas tranquas (AT) (DOT) > > com<tranquas@ ...>> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> Respected seniors,> > > >>> > > >> PL.clarify on bitrh time rectification:> > > >>> > > >> Shri KSK got a flash when he studied

TWINS BIRTH CHART who born > > in a> > > >> few minutes difference with same LAGNA, MOON STAR AND SUB. But> > > >>> > between the twins there is much much difference in all > > activities.> > > >>> > > >> Then only he determined that the LAGNA SUB IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT > > AND> > > >> THIS IS THE DIRECTOR and evolved more.> > > >>> > > >> In the forum BTR is explained as to take MOON STAR LORD AND SUB > > LORD> > > >> as lagna sub lord and sub sub lord.> > > >>> > > >> If we take for example STAR LORD SUN and sublord SUN, for a > > given> > > >> lagna the period varies from 33 minutes(may 1,1966,lagna > > tarus,time> > > >> 8.25to8.58) to 1

hour17min.(august 27,1966 virgo, time 7.42 to > > 8.59)> > > >> (At7.42am, 1.31@lagna-sun/ jupiter to 8.59am, 20.53@moon/ven, > > here it> > > >> is not possible to take sun as lagna sublord since sun sub is > > coming> > > >> at 9.07am only, at that time moon is in sun/moon> > > >>> > > >> If we> > adjust as per BTR the people born or even twins on this > > moon> > > >> star/sub will get same lagna sublord even though there is much > > time> > > >> gap.> > > >>> > > >> ISN'T CONTRADICTS SHRI KSK> > > >> pl.advice> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > Get an email ID as

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August 16, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Dhanabalan ji

Fine , KP is really advancement of vedic? To my mind It is just a ripple in the ocean of vedic astrology.Sub is just a different kind of divison of a constellation.Time and space divison are obvious choices. In vedic there is another Divison of constellations called Suksm division and a whole system based on it.

Had KP been a advancement, It could have lead many of us to predict correctly at least in the present age of computers that gives calculations fast.

Your postings in itself is a proof that even after about 30--40 years we are still in search of correct understanding of principles in KP .Correct application is a far cry!

Please do not feel bad , may be My understanding could be faulty, you may be right.

I could have evaded reply to this message, but I have chosen to reply simply because I read that you have studied Vedic also.

I am a student Here and should not express opinions, so i close here this thread.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

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Dhanabalan R

Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:32 AM

Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION

Dear swami

K.p. has come from vedic only. K.p. is an advancement of vedic. So any vedic rules can be accomodated in k.p.

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 8/15/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) .com> wrote:

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>Re: Re: BTR CONFUSION Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 4:13 PM