For transit: western aspect or vedic aspect

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Dear members

 

I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004 edition. I reproduce below.

“According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as follows:-

1

2

3….

13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my system.”

 

The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally in para 13, he gave above statement.

 

II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.

 

“Western system amended by K S K.

Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form evil aspects during transit, the native wins.”

When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena-and forms favourable aspect with its radical position….”

 

It seems contradictory to the first point. The author has first told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave examples based on western aspect.

 

III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I reproduce.

 

“It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine, etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp.”

 

The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above in para I.

 

My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.

 

Dhanabalan

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1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in

mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or

conjunction) will be.

 

2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the

original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps

because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects

depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP

principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.

 

3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for

instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K.

Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri

Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago

especially for him.

 

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>  

> I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004

edition. I reproduce below.

> " According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as

follows:-

> 1

> 2

> 3….

> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my

system. "

>  

> The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally

in para 13, he gave above statement.

>  

> II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.

>  

> " Western system amended by K S K.

> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form

favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form

evil aspects during transit, the native wins. "

> When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena-and forms favourable aspect

with its radical position…. "

>  

> It seems contradictory to the first point. The author has first

told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave

examples based on western aspect.

>  

> III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966).  I

reproduce.

>  

> " It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine,

etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp. "

>  

> The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above

in para I..

>  

> My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction

in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.

>  

> Dhanabalan

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Learned Astrologers,This discussion though enlightening is extremely confusing for beginners....... Is KP Astrology like Western Astrology as it uses Placidus System and Raphael's Tables ? Then it means we use the TROPICAL ZODIAC. As we know, VEDIC SYTEM uses SIDEREAL ZODIAC....... The debate between the two has been going on for ages and unfortunately only ONE system can be right.

regards,Ashutosh--On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in

mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or

conjunction) will be.

 

2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the

original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps

because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects

depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP

principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.

 

3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for

instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K.

Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri

Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago

especially for him.

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>

> I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004

edition. I reproduce below.

> " According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as

follows:-

> 1

> 2

> 3….

> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my

system. "

>

> The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally

in para 13, he gave above statement.

>

> II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.

>

> " Western system amended by K S K.

> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form

favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form

evil aspects during transit, the native wins. "

> When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena-and forms favourable aspect

with its radical position…. "

>

> It seems contradictory to the first point. The author has first

told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave

examples based on western aspect.

>

> III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I

reproduce.

>

> " It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine,

etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp. "

>

> The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above

in para I..

>

> My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction

in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash

 

K.P. system is 100% vedic. Mr.KSK developed the K.P. system from vedic astrology only. If you are through in vedic astrology you could understand.. My advice is before learning k.p., first learn vedic. K.P. is very simple and interesting. It is an advanced stage of vedic.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, ash <ashutosh.1966 wrote:

ash <ashutosh.1966Re: Re: For transit: western aspect or vedic aspect Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:01 AM

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers,This discussion though enlightening is extremely confusing for beginners... .... Is KP Astrology like Western Astrology as it uses Placidus System and Raphael's Tables ? Then it means we use the TROPICAL ZODIAC. As we know, VEDIC SYTEM uses SIDEREAL ZODIAC....... . The debate between the two has been going on for ages and unfortunately only ONE system can be right.regards,Ashutosh

------------ --------- --------- -----On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or conjunction) will be.2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K. Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago especially for him.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

....> wrote:>> Dear members> > I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004 edition. I reproduce below.> "According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as follows:-> 1> 2> 3….> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my system."> > The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally in para 13, he gave above statement.> > II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.> > "Western system amended by K S K.> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form evil aspects during transit, the native wins."> When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena- and forms favourable aspect with its radical position…."> > It seems

contradictory to the first point. The author has first told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave examples based on western aspect.> > III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I reproduce.> > "It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine, etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp."> > The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above in para I..> > My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.> > Dhanabalan>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash ji,

 

House division is house division and it is not Western or Vedic. In Vedic, we also have one house division system called Sripati. Sri KSK borrowed Placidus house division system from Westerns and used it with sidereal zodiac as he was most satisfied with this house division. In Western astrology, Placidus is the most popular house division system but it is not the only one. There are several other division systems and the selection of the system is debatable there too.

 

Also you need to note that whether you use tropical zodiac or sidereal zodiac with Placidus house division, the planet's positions in house is not going to change. Even the aspects are also going to be the same because both planet and house have moved with the same degree (ayanamsa). The only change will be the owner of the house, it will change most of the time because the ayanamsa difference is zodiac. If you will notice western astrology, they mostly rely on positions of planets in house and aspects which is going to be same whatever zodiac we choose. The ownership of the house is not given that much importance in Western astrology. So, in my opinion, whatever zodiac you follow, if you apply the principles of that zodiac (western principles in case of tropical zodiac and Vedic principle in case you are following sidereal zodiac), you will get good results. If you are following KP system, I woiuld suggest you to use principles suggested by Sri KSK i.e. Placidus house division system with sidereal zodiac.

 

Initially Sri KSK suggested using Raphael's table of houses as no other table of houses was available that time for Placidus house division calculation. Now there are other table of houses available as well as many software supporting Placidus division, so there is no need for using Raphael's tables of houses. But in case you want to do so, go ahead and do that, the end results are going to be the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM, ash <ashutosh.1966 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers,This discussion though enlightening is extremely confusing for beginners....... Is KP Astrology like Western Astrology as it uses Placidus System and Raphael's Tables ? Then it means we use the TROPICAL ZODIAC. As we know, VEDIC SYTEM uses SIDEREAL ZODIAC....... The debate between the two has been going on for ages and unfortunately only ONE system can be right.

regards,Ashutosh

--

 

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or conjunction) will be.2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the

original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.

3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K. Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago

especially for him. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear members> > I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004

edition. I reproduce below.> " According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as follows:-> 1> 2> 3….> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my

system. " > > The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally in para 13, he gave above statement.> > II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.>

> " Western system amended by K S K.> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form evil aspects during transit, the native wins. "

> When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena-and forms favourable aspect with its radical position…. " > > It seems contradictory to the first point. The author has first told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave

examples based on western aspect.> > III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I reproduce.> > " It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine, etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp. "

> > The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above in para I..> > My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.

> > Dhanabalan>

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Thank you Shri Dhanabalan,I'm greatly encouraged by your kind words.....AshutoshOn Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash

 

K.P. system is 100% vedic. Mr.KSK developed the K.P. system from vedic astrology only. If you are through in vedic astrology you could understand.. My advice is before learning k.p., first learn vedic. K.P. is very simple and interesting. It is an advanced stage of vedic.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, ash <ashutosh.1966 wrote:

ash <ashutosh.1966Re: Re: For transit: western aspect or vedic aspect

Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:01 AM

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers,This discussion though enlightening is extremely confusing for beginners... .... Is KP Astrology like Western Astrology as it uses Placidus System and Raphael's Tables ? Then it means we use the TROPICAL ZODIAC. As we know, VEDIC SYTEM uses SIDEREAL ZODIAC....... . The debate between the two has been going on for ages and unfortunately only ONE system can be right.

regards,Ashutosh

------------ --------- --------- -----On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or conjunction) will be.2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the

original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.

3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K. Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago

especially for him.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

....> wrote:>> Dear members> > I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004 edition. I reproduce below.> " According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as

follows:-> 1> 2> 3….> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my system. " > > The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally in para 13, he gave above statement.

> > II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.> > " Western system amended by K S K.> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form

evil aspects during transit, the native wins. " > When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena- and forms favourable aspect with its radical position…. " > > It seems

contradictory to the first point. The author has first told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave examples based on western aspect.> > III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I

reproduce.> > " It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine, etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp. " > > The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above

in para I..> > My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.> > Dhanabalan>

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

Really , is division of constellation in proprtion to Vimshottari dasa/bhukti/antra ( Time divison ) described and used in vedic texts or any Nadi?

I am not referring here of suksham divison of constellation,Which is altogether a different & seperate concept unrelated to sub experimented/theorisised by Late sarvshree Gopala rao & prof KSK.

By the way one of the writers late shree CR Bhatt also wrote on sub theory and western aspect . He was a astrologer who followed western Astrology.Whatsoever He has written is hardly possible for wrong understanding.

 

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCS

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

-

ash

Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:13 PM

Re: Re: For transit: western aspect or vedic aspect

 

 

 

Thank you Shri Dhanabalan,I'm greatly encouraged by your kind words.....Ashutosh

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash

 

K.P. system is 100% vedic. Mr.KSK developed the K.P. system from vedic astrology only. If you are through in vedic astrology you could understand.. My advice is before learning k.p., first learn vedic. K.P. is very simple and interesting. It is an advanced stage of vedic.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 8/5/08, ash <ashutosh.1966 > wrote:

ash <ashutosh.1966 >Re: Re: For transit: western aspect or vedic aspect Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:01 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers,This discussion though enlightening is extremely confusing for beginners... .... Is KP Astrology like Western Astrology as it uses Placidus System and Raphael's Tables ? Then it means we use the TROPICAL ZODIAC. As we know, VEDIC SYTEM uses SIDEREAL ZODIAC....... . The debate between the two has been going on for ages and unfortunately only ONE system can be right.regards,Ashutosh

 

------------ --------- --------- -----On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Use the Vedic aspect in KP like in the KP Readers, keeping in mind that the tighter an orb is, the stronger the aspect (or conjunction) will be.2. Some experimental applications of the Western aspects in the original KP 2 volumes are minimised in the KP Readers, perhaps because of the problem to reconsile the ouright good or bad aspects depending on the type of aspects in the Western aspects and the KP principles of judging whether benefic or malefic planet.3. If one wants to use the Western aspects in KP, the articles, for instance in KP & Astrology, of Shri K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi (not K. Ganapathi, eldest son of Guruji KSK) are advisable to study. Shri Raichur had to coporate the Western aspects in his KP SW long ago especially for him.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

 

 

wrote:>> Dear members> > I) Refer pages xviii, xix and xx of Reader V (Transit) 2004 edition. I reproduce below.> "According to Westerners the correct method of judgement is as follows:-> 1> 2> 3….> 13) The above is followed by westerners and not included in my system."> > The author explained the western aspect upto para 12 and finally in para 13, he gave above statement.> > II) Please refer pages 256 and 257 in Reader V. I reproduce.> > "Western system amended by K S K.> Lords of 1,2.. houses, whenever they, during transit, form favourable aspects, offer desirable results…, whenever they form evil aspects during transit, the native wins."> When Saturn transits in Pisces-Meena- and forms favourable aspect with its radical position…."> > It seems contradictory to the first point. The author has first told that the western system is not followed in k.p. Later he gave examples based on western aspect.> > III) Please refer pages 383 to 388 in volume II (1966). I reproduce.> > "It would then be said to be transiting in sextile, square, trine, etc., to the radical planet or radical cusp."> > The author explained the western aspect and did not tell as above in para I..> > My question is which aspect we have to use for transit prediction in k.p.? Western or vedic aspect.> > Dhanabalan>