Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Dear tw853 R.Dhanabalan’s reply for tw853 statement given in Confusion 3 in connection with ayanamsa. “Other Confusions 1) Among around 30 applicable ayanamsas, there is no Newcomb ayanamsa but the KP ayanamsa using the Newcomb's annual precession rate of 50.2388475 sec per year and the year 291 A.D of zero ayanamsa, which is available in any astrological SW with the option of ayanansas. In the earliest book on cuspal interlinks "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks by K. Baskaran, 2000, Sagar Publiations, p xvii" the author says, "I would have to thank Shri A. R. Raichur, Mumbai, for his kind co-operation in providing me with an excellent software, whiout which I would have faced difficulties in confirming most of my conceptions. " Shri Raichur's SW uses the KP ayanamsa not the Straight Line ayanamsa used by A. Devaraj, PS Khullar etc. However, such difference in ayanamsa generally doesn't change the star and sub, except in the borderline cases. The issue is not which ayanamsa is correct but which ayanamsa gives the better results for the KP rules. In a research, it is found that the New KPA works better than Lahiri for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level.” 1) tw853: “In the earliest book on cuspal interlinks "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks by K. Baskaran, 2000, Sagar Publiations, p xvii" the author says, "I would have to thank Shri A. R. Raichur, Mumbai, for his kind co-operation in providing me with an excellent software, whiout which I would have faced difficulties in confirming most of my conceptions. " Shri Raichur's SW uses the KP ayanamsa not the Straight Line ayanamsa used by A. Devaraj, PS Khullar etc.” R.Dhanabalan: I fully agree with you. 2) tw853: “The issue is not which ayanamsa is correct but which ayanamsa gives the better results for the KP rules.” R.Dhanabalan: No one knows exactly what the k.p..rule is. Each one is thinking in their own way about the k.p.rules. In fact, Mr.KSK himself is not confident in his rules and he did not follow his own rules in the examples given in the original volumes and the Readers. Stalwarts like Mr.KMS, M.P.Shanmugam, Mr.Mohan, salem Vaithialingam, salem Gopal, salem Mohankumar, etc. have not followed all the k.p.rules. Even Mr.Subramaniam and Mr.Harikaran, sons of Mr.KSK are not following all the k.p.rules. You are aware of it. When the rule itself is not clear, the results will be uncertain only. Hence which ayanamsa gives the better results for the k.p.rules is ruled out. 3) tw853: “However, such difference in ayanamsa generally doesn't change the star and sub, except in the borderline cases.” R.Dhanabalan: There are 12 cusps. Due to the difference in ayanamsa, definetly there will be change in one or two of cuspal sublords. It will affect the prediction. Further, sub level is not sufficient for prediction. For twins, the first cuspal sublord may be the same. Only the sub sub lord will tell the physical features of the twins. Hence we need an accurate, reliable ayanamsa. 4) tw853: “In a research, it is found that the New KPA works better than Lahiri for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level.” R.Dhanabalan: The KSK group has not done any research. They are doing research how to improve the sales of books. They are doing research how to confuse the astrologers. They have not even done any research on western aspect. No research on Rahu/Ketu. There was no improvement in k.p. from 1966. As already said in para 2, when there are no concrete rules in k.p., how is it possible to say that the “New KPA works better than Lahari for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level”. 5) tw853: “Even the KP critics are not doubtful his authorship of the KP Readers, appraising his research work and mastering of his Padhdhati by giving lectures not only in India but also in Malaysia and Sri Lanka.” R.Dhanabalan: Only the persons who studied thoroughly about the k.p. system and other systems can give correct comments about k.p. The said KP critics might not be expert in astrology. 6) After having started reading the a strological books from July 1927, doing the research on the practical horoscopes from 1934, with the assistants from 1939, Guruji KSK found the method of the Krishnamurti Padhdhati in 1951 by Divine Grace and in 1958 he met Dr. B.V. Raman and explained his Padhdhati. He published the first issue of the Astrology & Athrishta magazine on March 20, 1963, the Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 1 & 2 in late 1966 by Sagar Publications and then the KP Readers I to VI in 1970-71 in his life time by Mahabala Publishers, Hariman Publications. R.Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK published one book on astrology in tamil “Jyothidam vinganam” during the year 1958. That book deals only vedic astrology. No word about sublord in that book. He explained how to cast Navamsa. During 1958, Mr.KSK might have taken the research work of Meena Rao and would have been explained to Mr.B.V.Raman in a different way. The so called research on sublord could have been started during 1958 and developed to Krishnamoorthy Padadhati during 1965/1966. There was no improvement or research in the k.p.system from 1966 to till date. The Readers I to VI were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, some other person have written it. The words used and the language style differs from original k.p. Just because the Readers were published in his time, we cannot presume that Mr.KSK only has written it. Mr.KSK also a commercial man. He sold his so called invention to sagar publications. Again he copied those items in the Readers and sold. To avoid copy right problem, he introduced the sub’s star theory is the fact. He has not arrived the Sub’s star theory by research. Nowhere in the Readers told about the research. He did not prove that the system in the Readers are superior than in the original volumes. 7) tw853: “Among around 30 applicable ayanamsas, there is no Newcomb ayanamsa but the KP ayanamsa using the Newcomb's annual precession rate of 50.2388475 sec per year and the year 291 A.D of zero ayanamsa, which is available in any astrological SW with the option of ayanansas.” R.Dhanabalan: a) Please refer the ayanamsa table given by Mr.C.G.Rajan in pages 265,266 and 267 in the book “Jataka kanitham part I” (tamil), edition 2002. It was originally published during the year 1940. Whereas, Mr.KSK has started the research on sublord during 1958. Please refer the ayanamsa given by Mr.KSK in the pages 140 and 141 of volume I. Compare both. year C.G.Rajan ayanamsa KSK ayanamsa 1840 21-29 21-31 1900 22-20 22-22 1954 23-05 23-07 2000 23-44 23-46 b) The year of starting for both the tables are 1840. The year of ending for C.G.Rajan is 2000 and KSK is 2001. Almost no difference. Why Mr.KSK also started the table in the year 1840, why not at 1800 or 1850. What is the significance of 1840. Why Mr.KSK closed the table at 2001. Why not he closed in 1990 or 2010. Mr.KSK has just added two minutes in addition to C.G.Rajan ayanamsa every year. The two minute difference in ayanamsa would not make much difference. Even now you are telling that a difference of five minutes in ayanamsa will not give much difference. c) Vasan panchangam was using C.G.Rajan ayanamsa till 2000. Now they have switched over to Lahari which is closer to KP straightline ayanamsa. If KSK is alive, he would have swithched over to Lahari. Mr.KSK is expert in copying. He almost copied everything and published as his padadhati. So also ayanamsa. d) It is evident that Mr.KSK used the ayanamsa formula of C.G.Rajan. We have to verify whether C.G.Rajan was using the Newcombe formula. Only Newcombe has to tell how to use his precission rate and the starting year and the formula to calculate the ayanamsa every year. Mr..KSK and Mr.Balachandran are not the authorized persons to derive a formula of Newcombe. Mr.KSK published some ayanamsa which is closer to C.G.Rajan's ayanamsa and claimed as his ayanamsa is the fact. R.Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 There is no " correct " ayanamsa or " correct " birth time. The choice of ayanamsa is up to the preference of an individual astrologer, for instance the stright line formular is similar to Raman's with the different annual precision rate and the year of zero ayanamsa. The KP basic rule to judge the dasa lords and cuspal sub lords are: " The planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result and the sub is a " deciding factor " whether the matter is favorable or not. " - Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, p 41 , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear tw853 > > > R.Dhanabalan's reply for tw853 statement given in Confusion 3 in connection with ayanamsa. > > " Other Confusions > 1) Among around 30 applicable ayanamsas, there is no Newcomb ayanamsa but the KP ayanamsa using the Newcomb's annual precession rate of 50.2388475 sec per year and the year 291 A.D of zero ayanamsa, which is available in any astrological SW with the option of ayanansas. In the earliest book on cuspal interlinks " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks by K. Baskaran, 2000, Sagar Publiations, p xvii " the author says, " I would have to thank Shri A. R.. Raichur, Mumbai, for his kind co-operation in providing me with an excellent software, whiout which I would have faced difficulties in confirming most of my conceptions. " Shri Raichur's SW uses the KP ayanamsa not the Straight Line ayanamsa used by A. Devaraj, PS Khullar etc. However, such difference in ayanamsa generally doesn't change the star and sub, except in the borderline cases. The issue is not which ayanamsa is correct but which ayanamsa gives the better results for the KP rules. > In a research, it is found that the New KPA works better than Lahiri for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level. " > > 1) tw853: " In the earliest book on cuspal interlinks " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks by K. Baskaran, 2000, Sagar Publiations, p xvii " the author says, " I would have to thank Shri A. R. Raichur, Mumbai, for his kind co-operation in providing me with an excellent software, whiout which I would have faced difficulties in confirming most of my conceptions. " Shri Raichur's SW uses the KP ayanamsa not the Straight Line ayanamsa used by A. Devaraj, PS Khullar etc. " > > R.Dhanabalan: I fully agree with you. > > 2) tw853: " The issue is not which ayanamsa is correct but which ayanamsa gives the better results for the KP rules. " > > R.Dhanabalan: No one knows exactly what the k.p.rule is. Each one is thinking in their own way about the k.p.rules. In fact, Mr.KSK himself is not confident in his rules and he did not follow his own rules in the examples given in the original volumes and the Readers. Stalwarts like Mr.KMS, M.P.Shanmugam, Mr.Mohan, salem Vaithialingam, salem Gopal, salem Mohankumar, etc. have not followed all the k.p.rules. Even Mr.Subramaniam and Mr.Harikaran, sons of Mr.KSK are not following all the k.p.rules. You are aware of it. When the rule itself is not clear, the results will be uncertain only. Hence which ayanamsa gives the better results for the k.p.rules is ruled out. > > 3) tw853: " However, such difference in ayanamsa generally doesn't change the star and sub, except in the borderline cases. " > > R.Dhanabalan: There are 12 cusps. Due to the difference in ayanamsa, definetly there will be change in one or two of cuspal sublords. It will affect the prediction. Further, sub level is not sufficient for prediction. For twins, the first cuspal sublord may be the same. Only the sub sub lord will tell the physical features of the twins. Hence we need an accurate, reliable ayanamsa. > > 4) tw853: " In a research, it is found that the New KPA works better than Lahiri for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level. " > > R.Dhanabalan: The KSK group has not done any research. They are doing research how to improve the sales of books. They are doing research how to confuse the astrologers. They have not even done any research on western aspect. No research on Rahu/Ketu. There was no improvement in k.p. from 1966. As already said in para 2, when there are no concrete rules in k.p., how is it possible to say that the " New KPA works better than Lahari for the KP rules especially at the Sookshma dasa level " . > > 5) tw853: " Even the KP critics are not doubtful his authorship of the KP Readers, appraising his research work and mastering of his Padhdhati by giving lectures not only in India but also in Malaysia and Sri Lanka. " > > R.Dhanabalan: Only the persons who studied thoroughly about the k.p. system and other systems can give correct comments about k.p. The said KP critics might not be expert in astrology. > > 6) After having started reading the a strological books from July 1927, doing the research on the practical horoscopes from 1934, with the assistants from 1939, Guruji KSK found the method of the Krishnamurti Padhdhati in 1951 by Divine Grace and in 1958 he met Dr. B.V. Raman and explained his Padhdhati. He published the first issue of the Astrology & Athrishta magazine on March 20, 1963, the Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 1 & 2 in late 1966 by Sagar Publications and then the KP Readers I to VI in 1970-71 in his life time by Mahabala Publishers, Hariman Publications. > > R.Dhanabalan: Mr.KSK published one book on astrology in tamil " Jyothidam vinganam " during the year 1958. That book deals only vedic astrology. No word about sublord in that book. He explained how to cast Navamsa. During 1958, Mr.KSK might have taken the research work of Meena Rao and would have been explained to Mr.B.V.Raman in a different way. The so called research on sublord could have been started during 1958 and developed to Krishnamoorthy Padadhati during 1965/1966. There was no improvement or research in the k.p.system from 1966 to till date. The Readers I to VI were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, some other person have written it. The words used and the language style differs from original k.p. Just because the Readers were published in his time, we cannot presume that Mr.KSK only has written it. Mr.KSK also a commercial man. He sold his so called invention to sagar publications. Again he copied those items in the Readers and > sold. To avoid copy right problem, he introduced the sub's star theory is the fact. He has not arrived the Sub's star theory by research. Nowhere in the Readers told about the research. He did not prove that the system in the Readers are superior than in the original volumes. > > 7) tw853: " Among around 30 applicable ayanamsas, there is no Newcomb ayanamsa but the KP ayanamsa using the Newcomb's annual precession rate of 50.2388475 sec per year and the year 291 A.D of zero ayanamsa, which is available in any astrological SW with the option of ayanansas. " > > R.Dhanabalan: > a) Please refer the ayanamsa table given by Mr.C.G.Rajan in pages 265,266 and 267 in the book " Jataka kanitham part I " (tamil), edition 2002. It was originally published during the year 1940. Whereas, Mr.KSK has started the research on sublord during 1958. Please refer the ayanamsa given by Mr.KSK in the pages 140 and 141 of volume I. Compare both. > > > > > > > year > > C.G.Rajan ayanamsa > > KSK ayanamsa > > > 1840 > > 21-29 > > 21-31 > > > 1900 > > 22-20 > > 22-22 > > > 1954 > > 23-05 > > 23-07 > > > 2000 > > 23-44 > > 23-46 > > > b) The year of starting for both the tables are 1840. The year of ending for C.G.Rajan is 2000 and KSK is 2001. Almost no difference. Why Mr.KSK also started the table in the year 1840, why not at 1800 or 1850. What is the significance of 1840. Why Mr.KSK closed the table at 2001. Why not he closed in 1990 or 2010. Mr.KSK has just added two minutes in addition to C.G.Rajan ayanamsa every year. The two minute difference in ayanamsa would not make much difference. Even now you are telling that a difference of five minutes in ayanamsa will not give much difference. > > c) Vasan panchangam was using C.G.Rajan ayanamsa till 2000. Now they have switched over to Lahari which is closer to KP straightline ayanamsa. If KSK is alive, he would have swithched over to Lahari. Mr.KSK is expert in copying. He almost copied everything and published as his padadhati. So also ayanamsa. > > d) It is evident that Mr.KSK used the ayanamsa formula of C.G.Rajan. We have to verify whether C.G.Rajan was using the Newcombe formula. Only Newcombe has to tell how to use his precission rate and the starting year and the formula to calculate the ayanamsa every year. Mr.KSK and Mr.Balachandran are not the authorized persons to derive a formula of Newcombe. Mr.KSK published some ayanamsa which is closer to C.G.Rajan's ayanamsa and claimed as his ayanamsa is the fact. > > R.Dhanabalan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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