Readers III, V & VI were not written by Prof. KSK

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Oh God!!! It's really shocking for the beginners inKP astrology like me.

To my ignorance, I didn't know this fact before. Is it really so? Do we

have any proof / supporting document for that?

 

All learned astrologers of this forum, please share your opinion with

us!

 

Regards,

 

Antariksh

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Antariksh

> I have told in the earlier message that the Readers III, V and VI were

not written by Mr.KSK. Someone has written in the name of Mr.KSK.

>

> R.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Antariksh antariksh_80 wrote:

>

> Antariksh antariksh_80

> Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators

>

> Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:57 PM

Dear Dhanabalan Ji,

>

> With due respect to your knowledge and experience, I don't agree with

the following points you mentioned in your previous mail -

>

> 3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So

we cannot assume anything as we like.

>

> 6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by

Mr.KSK.. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all

the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by

somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with

Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

>

> In KP Sixth Reader (Krishnamurti Publications) - page no. 155 (new

edition), Prof. K.S.K. himself said " If he (the sub-lord of the

ascendant) is deposited in the constellation of the significators of

badhakasthana and marakasthana the life will be short after the time of

judgment. "

>

> Therefore K.S.K. suggested that sub-lord itself is a planet.

>

> Please correct me if I understood it wrongly.

>

> Regards,

> Antariksh

>

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramkumar

> > 1) I am not in favour of sub’s star theory. So,  I have

omitted the first point and answered the second point of

Mr.Antariksh.

> > 2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas

Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

> > 3) Mr.KSK did not take sub’s star anywhere in his examples

given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

> > 4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of

the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume

that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that

Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

> > Since Mercury is in Jupiter’s house, Jupiter will not signify

4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

> > 5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always

stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is

stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this

condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an

occupant.

> > 6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by

Mr.KSK.. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all

the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by

somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with

Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

> > Â

> > Thank youR.Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar ramkumaravm@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Ramkumar ramkumaravm@ ...

> > Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators

> > r.dhanabalan@ ...

> > Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

> >

> >

> > 

> > Dear Sir,

> > Â

> > Â

> > I have a doubt please calrify.

> > Â

> >

> > 3) Ketu is in moon sign. Â There are no planets in moon star.

Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

signify strongly the first house.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the

cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

> > Â

> > I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

> > Â

> > Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in

the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is " Time of

> >

> > Transfer " .

> > Â

> > I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a

significator then it will operate as per its star lord " this is where

the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

> > Â

> > Please clarify Sir.

> > Â

> > *(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the

planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not

manifest.)

> > Â

> > I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet AÂ is

occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not

give the results of the sign occupied by B.

> > Â

> > Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

> > Â

> > I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much

from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

> > Â

> > How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving

the significators.

> > Â

> > When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is

predictive intelligence.

> > Â

> > Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

> > Â

> > It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with

you.

> > Â

> > Can you please give me your address and phone number.

> > Â

> > I respect you Sir.

> > Â

> > I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in

groups because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have

understood.I fear!!!

> > Â

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Ramkumar.

> >

> > --- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...

> > Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

> >

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> > Â

> > Dear Antariksh

> >

> > Â

> >

> > I  am giving my view in step by step

> >

> > 1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets

in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that.

Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers

also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and

mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets

and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

> >

> > 2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So

ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime

significator.

> >

> > 3) Ketu is in moon sign. Â There are no planets in moon star.

Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

signify strongly the first house.

> >

> > 4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the

house 5 strongly.

> >

> > 5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a

prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu

signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

> >

> > 6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu.

Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11.

So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

> >

> > 7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

> >

> > 8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime

significator.

> >

> > Â

> >

> > In total Ketu signifies strongly   1,3,4,5,6,11. KetuÂ

is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of

death.

> >

> > Â

> >

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

> >

> > Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

> > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other

significators

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All -

> >

> > I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators. Take the following example -

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Planet

> >

> >

> > Longitude

> >

> >

> > Star

> >

> >

> > Pada

> >

> >

> > KP Pointer

> >

> >

> > House

> >

> >

> >

> > Sun

> >

> >

> > 10° Cn 12' 34.3179 "

> >

> >

> > Pushya

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Mercury

> >

> >

> > 6° Cn 38' 18.3989 "

> >

> >

> > Pushya

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> > Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Venus

> >

> >

> > 23° Cn 16' 48.4037 "

> >

> >

> > Aslesha

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> > Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Moon

> >

> >

> > 22° Ar 49' 12.7248 "

> >

> >

> > Bharani

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars

> >

> >

> > 21° Le 17' 39.8286 "

> >

> >

> > Poorva Phalguni

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> >

> >

> > Jupiter (Retro.)

> >

> >

> > 21° Sa 25' 40.3876 "

> >

> >

> > Poorvashada

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

> >

> >

> > 9

> >

> >

> >

> > Saturn

> >

> >

> > 13° Le 15' 22.763 "

> >

> >

> > Makha

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> > Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> >

> >

> > Uranus (Retro.)

> >

> >

> > 28° Aq 25' 59.9757 "

> >

> >

> > Poorva Bhadra

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> >

> >

> > Neptune (Retro.)

> >

> >

> > 29° Cp 29' 37.4515 "

> >

> >

> > Dhanishta

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> > Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> >

> >

> > Pluto (Retro.)

> >

> >

> > 5° Sa 5' 31.0385 "

> >

> >

> > Moola

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> > Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

> >

> >

> > 8

> >

> >

> >

> > Rahu

> >

> >

> > 25° Cp 27' 30.1262 "

> >

> >

> > Dhanishta

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> > Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

> >

> >

> > 10

> >

> >

> >

> > Ketu

> >

> >

> > 25° Cn 27' 30.1262 "

> >

> >

> > Aslesha

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Lagna

> >

> >

> > 9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

> >

> >

> > Aswini

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cusps

> >

> >

> > Longitude

> >

> >

> > Star

> >

> >

> > KP Pointer

> >

> >

> >

> > I

> >

> >

> > 9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

> >

> >

> > Aswini

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > II

> >

> >

> > 9° Ta 53' 11.5516 "

> >

> >

> > Krittika

> >

> >

> > Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

> >

> >

> >

> > III

> >

> >

> > 5° Ge 19' 6.0261 "

> >

> >

> > Mrigasiras

> >

> >

> > Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

> >

> >

> >

> > IV

> >

> >

> > 29° Ge 54' 26.9456 "

> >

> >

> > Punarvasu

> >

> >

> > Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

> >

> >

> >

> > V

> >

> >

> > 27° Cn 20' 55.2079 "

> >

> >

> > Aslesha

> >

> >

> > Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

> >

> >

> >

> > VI

> >

> >

> > 0° Vi 44' 51.17 "

> >

> >

> > Utra Phalguni

> >

> >

> > Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

> >

> >

> >

> > VII

> >

> >

> > 9° Li 20' 0.36 "

> >

> >

> > Swati

> >

> >

> > Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

> >

> >

> >

> > VIII

> >

> >

> > 9° Sc 53' 11.5516 "

> >

> >

> > Anuradha

> >

> >

> > Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > IX

> >

> >

> > 5° Sa 19' 6.0261 "

> >

> >

> > Moola

> >

> >

> > Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

> >

> >

> >

> > X

> >

> >

> > 29° Sa 54' 26.9456 "

> >

> >

> > Utrashada

> >

> >

> > Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > XI

> >

> >

> > 27° Cp 20' 55.2079 "

> >

> >

> > Dhanishta

> >

> >

> > Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

> >

> >

> >

> > XII

> >

> >

> > 0° Pi 44' 51.17 "

> >

> >

> > Poorva Bhadra

> >

> >

> > Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

> >

> >

> >

> > Fortuna

> >

> >

> > 21° Cp 56' 38.767 "

> >

> >

> > Shravana

> >

> >

> > Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

> >

> >

> > In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and

Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu

is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of

Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun,

Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and

Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

> >

> > Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

> > (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/

page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

> > Â 1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it

isconjoined;

> > 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

> > 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of

theconstellation in which it is deposited;

> >

> > 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

> >

> >

> > Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find

whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a

significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a

movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th,

but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury

(XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether

thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

> >

> > Please clarify my doubt.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Antariksh

> >

> >

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