Fw: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

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Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub’s star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub’s star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted). Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter’s house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited). Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravmFw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalanDate: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

Pada

 

KP Pointer

 

House

 

 

Sun

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

Pushya

 

3

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

4

 

 

Mercury

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

Pushya

 

1

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

4

 

 

Venus

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

Aslesha

 

2

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

4

 

 

Moon

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

Bharani

 

3

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

1

 

 

Mars

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

3

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

5

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

Poorvashada

 

3

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

9

 

 

Saturn

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

Makha

 

4

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

5

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

3

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

11

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

Dhanishta

 

2

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

11

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

Moola

 

2

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

8

 

 

Rahu

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

Dhanishta

 

1

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

10

 

 

Ketu

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

Aslesha

 

3

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

4

 

 

Lagna

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

3

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

KP Pointer

 

 

I

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

II

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

Krittika

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

III

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

Mrigasiras

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

IV

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

Punarvasu

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

V

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

Aslesha

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

VI

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

Utra Phalguni

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

VII

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

Swati

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

VIII

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

Anuradha

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

IX

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

Moola

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

X

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

Utrashada

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

XI

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

Dhanishta

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

XII

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

Fortuna

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

Shravana

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

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Dear Dhanabalan,

How does it matter to members if you are NOT in favour of the sub system,especially followers of the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...

If I mistake not you are refering to a book published by Sagar Publications which is being passed off as the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...

Read the 6 Readers of K.P. and then discuss K.P., is my suggestion to you...

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRamkumar <ramkumaravm; kpsystem groups Monday, 28 July, 2008 2:13:02 PMRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub’s star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub’s star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter’s house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

Pada

 

KP Pointer

 

House

 

 

Sun

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

Pushya

 

3

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

4

 

 

Mercury

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

Pushya

 

1

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

4

 

 

Venus

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

Aslesha

 

2

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

4

 

 

Moon

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

Bharani

 

3

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

1

 

 

Mars

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

3

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

5

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

Poorvashada

 

3

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

9

 

 

Saturn

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

Makha

 

4

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

5

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

3

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

11

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

Dhanishta

 

2

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

11

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

Moola

 

2

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

8

 

 

Rahu

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

Dhanishta

 

1

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

10

 

 

Ketu

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

Aslesha

 

3

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

4

 

 

Lagna

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

3

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

KP Pointer

 

 

I

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

II

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

Krittika

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

III

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

Mrigasiras

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

IV

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

Punarvasu

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

V

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

Aslesha

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

VI

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

Utra Phalguni

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

VII

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

Swati

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

VIII

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

Anuradha

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

IX

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

Moola

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

X

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

Utrashada

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

XI

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

Dhanishta

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

XII

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

Fortuna

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

Shravana

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

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pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star.

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted). Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited). Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm

Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan

Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is " Time of

Transfer " .

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord " this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

Pada

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

House

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179 "

 

 

Pushya

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

4

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989 "

 

 

Pushya

 

 

1

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

4

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037 "

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

2

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

4

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248 "

 

 

Bharani

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

1

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286 "

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

3

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

5

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876 "

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

3

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

9

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763 "

 

 

Makha

 

 

4

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

5

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757 "

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

3

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

11

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515 "

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

2

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

11

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385 "

 

 

Moola

 

 

2

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

8

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

1

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

10

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

4

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

Aswini

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

I

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

Aswini

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

II

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

Krittika

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

III

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

IV

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

V

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

VI

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

VII

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36 "

 

 

Swati

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

IX

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

Moola

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

X

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

XI

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

XII

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767 "

 

 

Shravana

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear sunil

I have gone through the earlier messages in this group. I came to know that you have developed the 4 step theory based on the articles of Mr.KMS "Sublord speaks". In those articles, Mr.KMS took sub's star and gave prediction. Hence Mr.KMS's articles misguided you.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:17 AM

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star..

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr..Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

Pada

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

House

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

 

Pushya

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

4

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

 

Pushya

 

 

1

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

4

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

2

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

4

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

 

Bharani

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

1

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

3

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

5

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

3

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

9

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

 

Makha

 

 

4

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

5

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

3

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

11

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

2

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

11

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

 

Moola

 

 

2

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

8

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

1

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

10

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

4

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

Aswini

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

I

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

Aswini

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

II

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

 

Krittika

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

III

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

IV

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

V

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

VI

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

VII

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

 

Swati

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

IX

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

 

Moola

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

X

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

XI

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

XII

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

 

Shravana

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Antariksh

I have told in the earlier message that the Readers III, V and VI were not written by Mr.KSK. Someone has written in the name of Mr.KSK.

 

R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80 wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:57 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan Ji, With due respect to your knowledge and experience, I don't agree with the following points you mentioned in your previous mail -3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.In KP Sixth Reader (Krishnamurti Publications) - page no. 155 (new edition), Prof. K.S.K. himself said "If he (the

sub-lord of the ascendant) is deposited in the constellation of the significators of badhakasthana and marakasthana the life will be short after the time of judgment."Therefore K.S.K. suggested that sub-lord itself is a planet. Please correct me if I understood it wrongly.Regards,Antariksh@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Ramkumar> 1) I am not in favour of sub’s star theory. So,  I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh. > 2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.> 3) Mr.KSK did not take sub’s star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like. > 4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that

Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).> Since Mercury is in Jupiter’s house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.> 5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.> 6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK.. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.>  > Thank youR.Dhanabalan> > --- On Mon,

7/28/08, Ramkumar ramkumaravm@ ... wrote:> > Ramkumar ramkumaravm@ ...> Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators> r.dhanabalan@ ...> Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM> > >  > Dear Sir,>  >  > I have a doubt please calrify.>  > > 3) Ketu is in moon sign.  There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house. > > > > > In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).>  > I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.>  > Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar

publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of > > Transfer".>  > I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.>  > Please clarify Sir.>  > *(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)>  > I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B. >  > Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.>  > I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.>  > How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of

arriving the significators.> Â > When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.> Â > Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.> Â > It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.> Â > Can you please give me your address and phone number.> Â > I respect you Sir.> Â > I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!> Â > Thanks and Regards,> Ramkumar.> > --- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ... wrote:> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators> @gro ups.com> Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM> > > >

> > > > > > > >  > Dear Antariksh > >  > > I  am giving my view in step by step > > 1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet. > > 2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator. > > 3) Ketu is in moon sign.  There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence

Ketu signify strongly the first house. > > 4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly. > > 5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6. > > 6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11. > > 7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5. > > 8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator. > >  > > In total Ketu signifies strongly   1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death. > >  > > R.Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@

> wrote:> > Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >> Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators> @gro ups.com> Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM> > > > > Dear All -> > I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -> > > > > > > Planet > > > Longitude > > > Star > > > Pada > > > KP Pointer > > > House > > > > Sun > > > 10° Cn 12' 34.3179" > > > Pushya > > > 3 > > > Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket > > > 4 > > > > Mercury >

> > 6° Cn 38' 18.3989" > > > Pushya > > > 1 > > > Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah > > > 4 > > > > Venus > > > 23° Cn 16' 48.4037" > > > Aslesha > > > 2 > > > Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun > > > 4 > > > > Moon > > > 22° Ar 49' 12.7248" > > > Bharani > > > 3 > > > Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven > > > 1 > > > > Mars > > > 21° Le 17' 39.8286" > > > Poorva Phalguni > > > 3 > > > Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun > > > 5 > > > > Jupiter (Retro.) > > > 21° Sa 25'

40.3876" > > > Poorvashada > > > 3 > > > Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo > > > 9 > > > > Saturn > > > 13° Le 15' 22.763" > > > Makha > > > 4 > > > Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat > > > 5 > > > > Uranus (Retro.) > > > 28° Aq 25' 59.9757" > > > Poorva Bhadra > > > 3 > > > Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer > > > 11 > > > > Neptune (Retro.) > > > 29° Cp 29' 37.4515" > > > Dhanishta > > > 2 > > > Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah > > > 11 > > > > Pluto (Retro.) > > > 5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

> > > Moola > > > 2 > > > Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat > > > 8 > > > > Rahu > > > 25° Cp 27' 30.1262" > > > Dhanishta > > > 1 > > > Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven > > > 10 > > > > Ketu > > > 25° Cn 27' 30.1262" > > > Aslesha > > > 3 > > > Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven > > > 4 > > > > Lagna > > > 9° Ar 20' 0.36" > > > Aswini > > > 3 > > > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat > > > 1 > > > > > > > > Cusps > > > Longitude > > > Star

> > > KP Pointer > > > > I > > > 9° Ar 20' 0.36" > > > Aswini > > > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat > > > > II > > > 9° Ta 53' 11.5516" > > > Krittika > > > Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket > > > > III > > > 5° Ge 19' 6.0261" > > > Mrigasiras > > > Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer > > > > IV > > > 29° Ge 54' 26.9456" > > > Punarvasu > > > Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup > > > > V > > > 27° Cn 20' 55.2079" > > > Aslesha > > > Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun > > > > VI > > > 0° Vi 44' 51.17"

> > > Utra Phalguni > > > Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven > > > > VII > > > 9° Li 20' 0.36" > > > Swati > > > Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer > > > > VIII > > > 9° Sc 53' 11.5516" > > > Anuradha > > > Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat > > > > IX > > > 5° Sa 19' 6.0261" > > > Moola > > > Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket > > > > X > > > 29° Sa 54' 26.9456" > > > Utrashada > > > Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat > > > > XI > > > 27° Cp 20' 55.2079" > > > Dhanishta > > > Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun > > > > XII

> > > 0° Pi 44' 51.17" > > > Poorva Bhadra > > > Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup > > > > Fortuna > > > 21° Cp 56' 38.767" > > > Shravana > > > Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat > > > In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -> > Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK> (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)>  1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it

isconjoined;> 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;> 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited; > > 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. > > > Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?> > Please clarify my doubt.> > Regards,> Antariksh> > > > > #yiv744021271 #yiv1817908661 #ygrp-mkp {> BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px

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Dear Yogesh Rao

I have a doubt whether all the Readers were written by Mr.KSK. First we will verify that.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:43 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan,

How does it matter to members if you are NOT in favour of the sub system,especially followers of the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...

If I mistake not you are refering to a book published by Sagar Publications which is being passed off as the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...

Read the 6 Readers of K.P. and then discuss K.P., is my suggestion to you...

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>; kpsystem groups <@gro ups.com>Monday, 28 July, 2008 2:13:02 PMRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub’s star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub’s star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter’s house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

Pada

 

KP Pointer

 

House

 

 

Sun

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

Pushya

 

3

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

4

 

 

Mercury

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

Pushya

 

1

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

4

 

 

Venus

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

Aslesha

 

2

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

4

 

 

Moon

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

Bharani

 

3

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

1

 

 

Mars

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

3

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

5

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

Poorvashada

 

3

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

9

 

 

Saturn

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

Makha

 

4

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

5

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

3

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

11

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

Dhanishta

 

2

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

11

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

Moola

 

2

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

8

 

 

Rahu

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

Dhanishta

 

1

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

10

 

 

Ketu

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

Aslesha

 

3

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

4

 

 

Lagna

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

3

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

Longitude

 

Star

 

KP Pointer

 

 

I

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

Aswini

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

II

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

Krittika

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

III

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

Mrigasiras

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

IV

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

Punarvasu

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

V

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

Aslesha

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

VI

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

Utra Phalguni

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

VII

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

Swati

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

VIII

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

Anuradha

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

IX

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

Moola

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

X

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

Utrashada

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

XI

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

Dhanishta

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

XII

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

Fortuna

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

Shravana

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

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I am still confused on how to use Rahu and Ketu for predictions. Amma Saranam!RegardsRameshhttp://www.amma.org"I am working on identifying a parcel of land for a Dutch investor in Bangalore"sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka Sent: Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 10:47:15 AMRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star.

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>

Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@

Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com

Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

Pada

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

House

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

 

Pushya

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

4

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

 

Pushya

 

 

1

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

4

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

2

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

4

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

 

Bharani

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

1

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

3

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

5

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

3

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

9

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

 

Makha

 

 

4

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

5

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

3

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

11

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

2

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

11

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

 

Moola

 

 

2

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

8

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

1

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

10

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

3

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

4

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

Aswini

 

 

3

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

Longitude

 

 

Star

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

I

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

Aswini

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

II

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

 

Krittika

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

III

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

IV

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

V

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

VI

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

VII

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

 

Swati

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

IX

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

 

Moola

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

X

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

XI

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

XII

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

 

Shravana

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP (by Tin Win in KP E-Zine, May 2007)

 

I. BASIC RAHU/KETU RULES

 

1.1. Origin of Rahu/Ketu Rules

(KP Reader II, 1983, page 315 )

 

Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which they are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then they give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when they are neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they represent the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita -- Khanda VI Sloka 14 onwards)

 

1.2. Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/New Edition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

 

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it is conjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting it;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the constellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

 

1.3. Similar Version by Sri C. B. Bhatt

(Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19)

Rahu/Ketu as PLANET gives:

 

1) Firstly, the results of the planet in conjunction with it,

2) Secondly, the results of the planet aspecting it,

3) Thirdly, the results of its own star lord, and

4) Fourthly, the results of the owner of the sign occupied by it.

 

1.4. A Slightly Different Version by Guruji KSK

(by taking the STARLORD "before" the planet in aspect/ KP Reader VI, 1978/2002, pages 187/212/214/274/276)

A node gives:

 

1) Firstly, the result of the planet or planets with which it is conjoined,

2) Secondly, of the star lord in which it is deposited,

3) Then, of the planet or planets aspecting it and

4) Lastly, of the lord of the sign in which it is deposited..

 

II. HOUSE OCCUPIED BY RAHU/KETU

(KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 124 /NE, page 130/ KP

Reader V, 1983, page 124)

 

2.1. The Role of House Occupied by Rahu/Ketu

1) Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Starlord can

offer.

2) Imagine as though Starlord is posited in that house in which Rahu or

Ketu tenanted.

3) Also imagine that Starlord is posited in that bhava. And it gives

results to greater extent.

 

2.2. KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 110/ NE, page 116/ KP Reader V, 1983, page 110

Rahu and Ketu will occupy a house. They govern the stars Arudhra, Swathi, Sathabisha, Aswini, Maka and Moola. So planets situated in these stars will offer the results as indicated by either Rahu or Kethu according to the house occupied by them. Further one should include the results of the lord of the constellation and then the lord of the sign in which Rahu and Kethu is posited. It is explained in the end of the chapter (i.e. as furnished in 1.2 and 2.1).

 

III. A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

 

3.1. Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19 (Sri C. B. Bhatt)

If any planet is in the STAR of Rahu or Ketu,

1) that planet will signify the matters of the house occupied by Rahu or Ketu;

2) that planet will indicate the matters of the house owned and occupied by the Star lord of Rahu or Ketu; and

3) that planet will denote the matters of the house occupied and owned by the owner of the sign occupied by Rahu or Ketu.

 

3.2. It is similar to 2.2 including the house occupied and excluding the planets in conjunction and aspect.

 

3.3. The results of planets in conjunction and aspect for Rahu/Ketu as STARLORD is rarely applied in KP Readers as furnished in 1.2 and 2.2. of the Appendix.

 

3.4. It may be a little awkward in preparing a KP planet wise and star wise significator table while taking the starlord effects of Rahu/Ketu as STARLORD.

 

IV. OTHER VIEWS

 

4.1. An interesting approach is noted in Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, 2003, page 308 and 311 (Sri M.P. Shanmughan) and in KP Year Book 2002, page 40 (N. Pandu/N. Santhanalingam), that Rahu/Ketu will offer the results of a planet which is deposited in Rahu/Ketu star, eg. if Mars is deposited in Rahu star, Rahu will offer the results of houses 3 and10 owned by Mars. And then the results of planets in conjunction and aspect and starlord are mentioned to be considered.

 

4.2. In the 4 Step Method (invented by Sri Sunil Gonchalekar and explained by Sri Anant Raichur in English), Rahu/Ketu is taken as agent of the lord of sign occupied and as a significator of the house occupied.. If Rahu/Ketu is in conjunction with any planet within 3.33 degrees, this planet is also considered, and then the Starlord of Rahu/Ketu, the Sublod of Rahu/Ketu, and the Starlord of the Sublord are also considered. Only strong significators are considered by taking into account of occupation of starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own star, Rahu/Ket having no planet in its star and empty houses. Planets in aspect are not considered unless within 3.33 degrees.

 

4.3. The importance of strong significators is emphasized in Astrology for Beginners, Vol 5, page 669 (Sri K. Subramanium). Only if there are no planets in Rahu/Ketu star, Rahu/Ket will signify the house occupied. (If a planet is in Rahu/Ketu star, the planet will signify the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu.) Only if there are no planets in the star of the signlord, Rahu/Ketu will signify the results of the signlord. (If a planet is in the star of signlord, Rahu/Ketu will signify the houses occupied by the signlod and the starlod of the signlord and the houses owned by the STARLORD of the signlord, provided there is no planet in those houses). And then the results of the planets in conjunction and aspect are mentioned to be considered.

 

..V. RAHU/KETU’S ASPECTS

 

5.1. Since the Rahu/Ketu Rules in 1.2 and 2.1 are commonly used, the application of Rahu/Ketu’s aspects is not found in KP literature except Dr. Bal Krishna Singh Hatia applying Rahu `s 5th and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, page 26 and Sri Prof. K. Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th (Hindu) aspects in KP Year Book, 2002, page 82-90. According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5, 7, 9, and 12 fully (Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by Dr. P. S. Sastri, Edition 2001, page 43; Thanks to Ms. Sandy Crowther for giving reference.) and Jupiter-like aspects of Rahu/Ketu are used in Vedic Astrology.

 

VI. SOME FINDINGS FROM EXAMPLES IN KP READERS

 

6.1. In examples regarding Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP Readers III, IV, V and VI (as furnishe in the Appendix), Hindu aspects and conjunction are used; the importance of strong significators is considered whenever appropriate by taking into account of the occupation of starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own star, Rahu/Ket having no planet in its star and empty houses.

 

6.2. Even though quoted "only when they are neither conjoined with, nor

aspected by any planet, they represent the lord of the house." , whether Rahu/Ketu as Planet or Starlod or Sublord, the results of the followings are taken depending on relevance to the matter under consideration regardless of their sequence of order:

 

1) House occupied,

2) Planet in conjunction,

3) Planet in aspect and

4) Starlord,

5) Signlord, for instances:

 

a) Conjunction/Starlord/Signlord Rules are applied together in Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50) and Reader VI pages 302/316;

b) Conjuction/Aspect/ Signlord Rules are applied together in Reader IV page 111;

c) Occupation/Aspect/Signlord Rules are applied together in Reader VI, page 190;

d) Signlord Rule is applied neglecting the planet in conjunction in Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/85 (NE pages 200-1/244-45).

 

6.3. Rahu/Ketu as agent of the planet in conjunction or aspect or signlord is supposed to give whatever the planet concerned is to signify (KP Reader VI, page 234) but only houses occupied and owned by the planet are commonly considered, and further results of the planet's Starlord are taken in some cases only, for instances:

 

1) Starlod of Starlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 13 (NE page 166);

2) Starlord of Signlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 85 (NE pages 244-45).

 

6.4. Generally the houses occupied and owned by STARLORD and the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu are shown by KP SWs, and in addition planets acted by Rahu/Ketu as agent and planets having no planet in their stars are also shown by KPAstro 2.5.

 

VII. CONCLUSION

 

In applying Rahu/Ketu Rules of house occupied, planets in conjunction and aspect, starlord and signlord, consideration of the priority and strong significators will be crucial when Rahu/Ketu plays a dual role in cases of life or death, marriage or denial etc.

 

 

APPENDIX: APPLICATION OF RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP READERS

 

1. PLANET IN CONJUNCTION RULE

 

1.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

Reader III Old Edition (OE) Part 2 pages 11/85/140/206-7 (New Edition/NE/ pages 164/244-5/304/376-7)

Reader IV (1984/2002) pages 111/133

Reader V (1983) page 200

Reader VI (1978/2002) pages 187/302

 

1.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLOD

Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50)

 

1.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/202 (NE pages 200-1/371)

Reader IV page 106

Reader VI pages 312/316

 

 

2. PLANET IN ASPECT RULE

 

2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244-5/294/344/376-7/383-4)

Reader IV page 111

Reader VI page 187

 

2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

 

Reader VI page 190

2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

Reader IV page 108

 

3. STARLORD RULE

 

3.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 12-13/ 42/61/130 (NE pages 149/165-6/198/219/294)

Reader IV pages 133/207-8/230

Reader VI pages 190/298/302

 

3.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3/ Part 2 pages 11/18/ 61/85/108 (NE pages 149-50/164/171/219/245/270)

 

3.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

Reader III OE Part 1 page 143/Part 2 page 61 (NE pages 150/219)

Reader IV pages 106/108/145

Reader VI pages 226/291/316

 

4. SIGNLORD RULE

 

4.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 11/39/66-7/85/108/144/150/152/176/199/202/206-7 (NE pages 149/164/194/223-4/245/270/308/na/318/344/368/371/376-7)

Reader IV page 111/175/208/239

Reader V page 200-1

Reader VI pages 273/ 298/302

 

4.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

Reader III OE Part 1 page 142-3/Part 2 pages 11/37/85/111/140/144 (NE pages 149-50/164/192/244-5//273/304/308)

Reader IV pages 190/225

Reader V pages 141/200

 

4.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

Reader III OE Part 2 pages 18/37/44-5/202 (NE pages 171/192/200-1/371)

Reader IV 106/108/145

Reader VI p 290/312/316

 

5. HOUSE OCCUPIED RULE

 

5.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

KP Reader III OE, Part 1 page142/Part 2 pages 11/61/80/149/155 (NE pages 149/164/219/238-9/315/320)

KP Reader IV pages 197/239

KP Reader V pages 141/201

KP Reader VI pages 190/217/298

 

5.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

Reader III OE Part 2 pages 12-3/39-40/85/154-5 (NE pages 165-6/193-4/244-5/320-1)

Reader IV pages 207/225/227/239

Reader V pages 133/141/200

Reader VI page 190

 

5.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

Reader III Part 2 pages 61/143/155 (NE pages 219/307/320)

Reader IV pages 106/197/227

Reader VI p 226/290

 

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A STUDY NOTE ON FOUR STEP THEORY

 

I. INRTODUCTION

 

1. This is a study note for better understanding of the Four Step Theory.

 

II. SIGNIFICATORS

 

2. The 4 steps are as follows:

 

1) The Planet itself

2) The Star Lord of the Planet

3) The Sub Lord of the Planet

4) The Star Lord of this Sub Lord

 

3. In each step, the houses signified by the planet are the house occupied and the houses owned by the planet. All the houses indicated in the 4 steps are basically the secondary significators of the ‘main’ planet in the step 1. Out of them the primary (strong) significators are chosen by the basic and special rules.

 

4. Only the primary significators are considered in this theory and the 3rd and 4th steps are given more importance. In checking the promise of an event by the relevant cusp sub-lord and choosing the fruitful DBA for an event, the cusp sub-lord and the DBA lords are considered by the houses of primary significators in all 4 steps.

 

III. PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

 

III.1. Basic Primary Significators

 

5. The basic primary significators are as given under:

 

III.1.1. Based on Starlord

 

5.1. A planet acting as the starlord of another planet, i.e. a planet in the step 2 or 4 is a primary significator of the house occupied and the houses owned by this planet, provided they are empty (not occupied by Sun to Ketu, without taking into consideration of Fortuna, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto). So the empty houses, in the ‘attached’ example chart 1, ‘1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12’ houses, are to be noted down. These houses primarily signified are the KP grade A significators and grade C significators, which are upgraded when the relevant houses are empty.

 

III.1.2. Based on Star Position

 

5.2. A planet with no planet in its star or a planet in its own star is the primary significator of the house it occupies and the houses it owned, only if the houses are empty. So in the example chart 1, the planets with no planet in their stars are to be marked by “+â€, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa’ and the planets in their own stars by “*â€, ‘Ra, Ke’. All these planets, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa, Ra, Ke’, are the primary significators in any step of 4 steps. Otherwise the planets in step 1 and step 3 are the secondary significators. These houses primarily signified are the upgraded KP grade B significators for the planets with no planet in their stars and in their own stars and upgraded grade D significators, when the relevant houses are empty. In the example chart 1, Venus is a primary significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1 and 3.

 

III.2. Rahu/Ketu Significators

 

6. The above same rules (in the point 5) apply to Rahu/Ketu, which gives the results of the planets conjoined and aspecting within the 3d:20m orb, its star-lord and its sign-lord in the ascending order. As a practical starting point, the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu, and the house occupied and the houses owned by its sign-lord are usually taken into consideration. Only if Rahu/Ketu is itself the ‘primary significator’(as per the principles in the point 5), then the planets conj or aspt, star-lord and sign-lord also will become the ‘primary significators’. If Rahu/ Ketu is itself the secondary significator only, then they also will be the secondary significators even though they are by themselves the primary significators. In the attached example chart 1, since Rahu is a primary significator in any step of 4 steps by being in its own star, its ‘Sgl Ve and conj Ju’ also become the primary

significators. In the attached example chart 2, Rahu is a primary significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1 and 3. (R1, pages 30, 41-42, R2, R9) (R1 means the Reference item no 1.)

 

7. An emphasis is given to take into consideration of the house occupied and the houses owned by the star-lord of Rahu/Ketu when it is the star-lord of another planet, ie. Rahu/Ketu in the step 2 or 4. Its star-lord gives stronger results than its signlord. The primary significators of the conjoined and aspecting planets are also to be added as relevant. The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results. In the attached example chart 2, for the primary significator Rahu as a Stl of Su, ‘Asp by Ju(3,10) and Stl Mo(2,7)’ are supposed to be stronger than ‘Sgl Me(4)’, which is assumed not to give

its results in such case. (R 1, pages 28, 30, 41-42, 61, 77, 79, R5, Msg#14976, #14998) (Msg# means the Messages in this KP Group.)

 

8. The KP Rahu/Ketu rules are only the Kalidasa’s “rules of the results of planets conjoined and aspecting and the sign-lord†plus “Guruji KSK’s star-lord ruleâ€, nothing else, and the same rules followed by ‘Shri Bhatt’ and the Four Step Theory can be seen in Msg#1832, #3231 and Msg #8911 or Ra/Ke rules in the KP E-Zine May 2007, in which each and every practical application of the Rahu/Ketu rules applied by Guruji KSK in his all Readers has been studied and the other views in the KP literature have been provided. It can also be found there whether there are two separate Rahu/Ketu rules as mentioned in Msg#14976 and whether Shri Bhatt could not judge how nodes give the results as mentioned in Msg14998#.

 

9. It is worthy to note that Rahu is called as a blemish planet, which creates problems and does not give results effectively to the native when it is in the DBA. If Rahu is a strong significator of improving houses in all 4 steps, which is not found in most cases, then it won’t create problems. Ketu does not create problems if it is supporting favorable houses. (Messages in other group)

 

II.3. Additional Primary Significators from the KP ‘E’ Grade Significators

 

10. The special rules of upgrading the weak KP ‘E’ grade significators to the additional primary significators are as follows:

 

1) Conjunction with Cusp,

2) Conjunction between Planets,

3) Aspect on Cusp, and

4) Aspect between Planets.

 

II.3.1. Conjunction with Cusp

 

11. If a planet is in conjunction with a cusp within 3d:20m orb, behind (before) the cusp or ahead (after) the cusp, the planet is ‘automatically’ taken as a primary significator of this cusp in ‘any step’ of 4 steps, irrespective of other planets being in the house whose cusp is conjoined by the planet or the planet not being a primary significator. One may wonder whether a planet can become a primary significator by the mere conjunction with a cusp within 3d:20m orb. In the case of conjunction before the cusp, the physically occupied house is also taken into consideration as a significator, and it will also become a primary significator when the relevant planet is a primary significator. In such a case, the planet becomes a primary signifcator of the conjoined house as well as the previous house, which is a negative house for the conjoined house. The 3d:20m orb can be increased up to 4-5 degree

especially for the fast moving planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) and the very fast moving Moon. (R 1, pages 20-24, 27, 49, 53, 57, 61,67, 91; R2, Part-4 & 5; Msg#13680, #13882, #14148, #14976)

 

12. In the example chart 1, ‘Ven conj 6’ is a conjunction before 6th cusp, and ‘Me conj 7, Ju conj 3, Ra conj 3, Ke conj 9’ are the conjunctions after the cusps. In the case of ‘Ven

conj 6’ before the cusp, the physically occupied house 5th is also taken in to consideration. When Venus becomes a primary significator by being the star-lord of Mars in the step 2, both 5 and 6 houses become primary significators, offering 6th and 5th, ‘12th to 6th’, at the same time, which are opposing to each other such as gain and loss, sickness and cure etc.

 

II.3.2. Conjunction of Planets

 

13. If a planet is conjoined with another planet within 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of another planet, only if the original planet itself is a primary significator (as per the rules in the point 5). These two planets (excluding Rahu/Ketu) in conjunction will offer the results to each other. However, in the case of ‘Ra/Ke conj another planet’, ‘only’ Rahu/Ketu offers the results of the conjoined planet as an agent of this planet but the conjoined planet cannot offer the results of Rahu/Ketu. (R 1, pages 27-28, 41-42, 51-53, R2-Part 4 & 5; Msg #13882, #14140)

 

14. In the example chart 1, in the case of ‘Su conj Me’, Sun gives the results of Mercury when Sun becomes a primary significator by being the star-lord of Venus in the step 2. On the other side, Mercury, having no planet in its star, offers the results of Sun in any step of 4 steps. However, in the case of ‘Ra conj Ju’, ‘only’ Rahu offers the results of Jupiter as an agent of Jupiter since Rahu is a primary significator by being in its own star. Here a caution is that Jupiter cannot give the results of Rahu, like Jupiter giving the results of Ketu in the case of ‘Ke conj Ju’ in the example of the R 2-Part 4. Similarly Jupiter, which is the sign-lord of Rahu, cannot offer the results of Ra(2,8) in the first 2 steps like being mentioned to do so in Msg#14867, even though Rahu is an agent of Jupiter. Rahu/Ketu will give whatever the planet is to give

when it is an agent of this planet but the planet can not give the results of RahuKetu. It is an agent of the planets conjoined and aspecting and the sign-lord but it does not act as an agent of its star-lord.

 

II.3.3. Aspect on Cusp

 

15. If a planet throws the Hindu aspects on the cusps (not houses) within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of these cusps, only if the ‘original’ planet itself is a primary significator (as per the rules in the point 5), irrespective of other planets being in the aspected houses. Ketu’s 7th aspect on the ‘cusp’ within 30d:20m orb is taken into consideration, implying to take Rahu’s similar aspect also. (R 1, pages 28, 34, 70, 87, #14976, #14998)

 

16. In the example chart 1, Jupiter aspects 7, 9, 11 cusps. Since Jupiter is a primary significator with no planet in its star, it becomes a primary significator of 7, 9, 11 houses. In the example chart 2, Saturn aspects 2 only and as a primary significator by having no planet in its star, it becomes a primary significator of the 2nd house. ‘Me asp 7, Ju asp 9, Ve asp 12, Ra asp 9, Ke asp 3’ are all the ‘7th’ aspects. While aspecting these cusps, the planets are conjoined with the opposite cusps, ie. ‘Me conj 1, Ju conj 3, Ve conj 6, Ra conj 3, Ke conj 9. Thus these planets become the significators of opposite houses, ie. Me for 1 & 7; Ju for 2 & 9; Ve for 6 & 12; Ra for 3 & 9; Ke for 9 & 3 (Ra /Ke for the same 3 & 9) . One may think whether the same planet can signify the opposite houses, indicating opposite matters and how Rahu or Ketu can aspect the opposite cusp and consequently signify all the same opposite houses. (Msg#3316, #14708, #14843, #14987, #15079) In KP the aspect of Rahu/Ketu is not considered since it is only the sensitive intersecting point in the pathway of Sun and Moon. In the chart in the R5, where Sun (Sc 09-03) is conjoined with the 12th cusp (Sc 10-59) and aspects the 6th cusp (Ta 10-59), signifying the opposite houses of financial gain (6th) and loss (12th) at the same time, which are opposing to each other. Whether to take into consideration of all primary significators or to exclude some of them, especially significators by 7th aspect is up to the own judgment and preference of an astrologer. If 7th aspect is not taken into consideration, Rahu/Ketu’s

opposite 7th aspect on a cusp will be automatically ruled out. Depending on which option is chosen, the result can be entirely different, for instance in the example chart in Msg#14714, Antara lord Venus can give marriage if ‘Su asp 7’ is taken into consideration in the 4th step, otherwise marriage is denied in Venus Antara by the primary signification of ‘totally negative’ houses 1, 12 in the 4th step.

 

17. The Rahu/Ketu conjunction with a cusp within the 3d:20m orb is not rare as said in Msg#14976 but common as shown below:

 

1) R1, chart no 5, ‘Ketu conj 3’

2) R1, chart no 8, ‘Ketu conj 12’

3) R1, chart no 10, ‘Ketu conj 1’

4) R1, chart no 16, ‘Ketu conj 2’

5) R1, chart no 17, ‘Ketu conj 9’

6) R2- Part 2, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

7) R2- Part 4, example chart, ‘Ke conj 3’

8) R2- Part 5, example chart, ‘Ke conj 11’

9) Msg#5258, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

10) Msg#13680, example chat, Ke conj 6’

11) Msg#14700, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 3’

12) Msg#14711, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 9’

13) Msg#14787, example chart, ‘Ket conj 9’

14) SUB LORD SPEAKS LIX 1st example, ‘Ket conj 8’

 

18. Every case is unique but the rules are general for all cases without discrimination. The rules can not work for each case and every event, for instance the marriage on 13-4-1979 (ceremony on 14-4-1979) of the live chart in Msg#14774 can not be clearly justified by the KP or Four Steps rules.

 

II.3.4. Aspect between Planets

 

19. If a planet has the Hindu aspect (throwing or receiving) with another planet within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of another planet, provided the original planet itself is a primary significator (as per the rules in the point 5). (R 1, pages 28, 30, 54, 57, 70, 75)

 

20. In the example chart 1, ‘Mo Aspected by Ju’ and on the side of receiving aspect, Moon with no planet in it star, as a primary significator, offers the results of Jupiter in any step of 4 steps. On the other side of throwing aspect, Jupiter, a primary significator by having no planet in its star, also gives the results of Moon in any step of 4 steps. In the chart of Msg#13882, Me (Ar 07-

 

21) and Jupiter (Li 04-40) are aspecting each other by 7th aspect, which is not taken into consideration there. If this 7th aspect is taken into consideration like in the Four Step Book, Mercury, as star-lord of Sun, has to offer the results of Ju(8-11) and Jupiter, without any planet in its star, has to give the results of Me(2-5), and thus both Mercury and Jupiter have to signify the same opposite houses of 2 and 8 at the same time, which seems doubtful.

 

IV. RULING PLANETS

 

21. The RPs of only 4 items applied in this theory are in the following order. (R1, pages 32, 34, 40-42, 81-83, 88, 91, R2-Part 5, R9, Msg#13610, #13882, #14553, #14976):

 

1) Lagna Lord,

2) Moon’s Starlord,

3) Moon’s Sign Lord, and

4) Day Lord.

 

22. The Rahu/Ketu is to be taken as the RPs, only if it ‘directly’ appears in the RPs and not to take it while appearing as the agents of the RPs.

 

23. The ‘main essence’ of this theory is to judge the events without the help of the RPs and so they are not used in fixing the DBA, except in the analysis of the chart no. 21 at the end of the R1, pages 91-92. The RPs are used ‘only’ to confirm or correct the sub-lord of the relevant cusp in the Natal chart. If the sub-lord is among the RPs, it is supposed to be correct. If it does not appear in the RPs, the RP (planet), which is ahead or behind the original sub-lord is taken as the corrected sub-lord of the relevant cusp. The preference is given to the RP as per the above order of priority, if both planets ahead and behind the original sub-lord appear in the RPs. The

confirmation or correction of the cusp sub-lord under consideration is to be done, as if there is some change in the birth time, before the prediction of a natal chart. However, the horoscope is not recasted in line with the corrected sub-lord of the relevant cusp.

 

24. The RPs will change depending on time, place and person. Consequently, any result based on the RPs also will change, implying not giving support or help to everybody at every time. (R1, page 2, Msg#14833,#13387, #14976, #5051, #5054)

 

25. For the example chart 1, the RPs at the time of judgment, at 22:03:27 PM on 08-10-2007 at 39N05, 77W09, TZ (GMT-5) are as follows:

 

1) Lagna Lord = Venus

2) Moon’s Star Lord = Venus

3) Moon’s Star Lord = Sun

4) Day Lord = Moon

 

26. Since the 12th cusp sub-lord Moon is in the RPs, it is supposed to be a correct sub-lord. For a case where the relevant sub-lord is not in the RPs, suppose the Day Lord is Mars, then the sub-lord Moon is not in the RPs. So Moon is to be corrected to Sun (before Moon) or Mars (after Moon), which are in the RPs, and the preference should be given to Sun as per the priority order of the RPs.

 

 

V. PROMISE OF AN EVENT

 

27. If the sub-lord of the cusp governing the event under consideration is a primary significator of any or more of the required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) in any or more of the 4 steps, then the event is promised for fructification unless there is the primary signification of ‘totally negative’ houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. Whatever it may be or even though there are the primary significators of the ‘totally negative’ houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 1 and 2, any primary significator of the required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) or a mixture of positive houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) and negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4, will give the positive result. The result will be unfavorable, only if the primary significators are ‘totally negative’ (4, 6, 12 for

marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. So the primary significators in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more important’ than the ones in the steps 1 and 2. The common rule of taking ‘12th to any house’ as a ‘negative house’ for this house is not applicable in every case, for instance the 1st house, though 12th to the 2nd, is not held as a negative house for 2nd, but considered as a primary house to get money as it represents the native and his efforts etc; 10th is not considered as a negative house to 11th. In the 1st example chart of the SUB LORD SPEAKS – LVII article, the 7th cusp sublord Mercury is a primary significator of 12 only in the 4th step, without any other marriage giving primary significtors of 2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 in the steps 3 and 4. If 12th is considered as a negative house to marriage, the result will be the same as in the article that the martial life

is not promised. In the example chart of the R4, the marriage an not be promised, if the 12th house is considered as a negative house for marriage since the 7th cusp sub-lord Venus is the primary significator of 12th house only in the 4th step. As per KP marriage is also found not promised in Msg#6077 (#6088). (R1, page 41-42, R5, Msg#4409, #13195, #13245, #13571, #14336, #14364)

 

28. In the example chart 1, the 12th cusp sublord is Moon, primarily signifying 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 in the steps 1 and 2 and 3, 5, 12, 7, 9 in the steps 3 and 4. So foreign going is definitely promised. It will be denied, only if Moon is a primary significators of totally negative houses 2, 8, 11 and 4, 6 in the steps 3 and 4, without any primary significator of 3, 9, 12 and 5, 7. Moreover, since Moon is a primary significaotrs of 11 in the step 1 and most importantly 6 and 11 in the step 3, it is possible for getting a monetary gain to ‘some extent’ through foreign visit during the jointly favorable DBA for getting money, even though a primary signification of 1, 2, two main houses for getting money, is missing.

 

VI. CHOICE OF DBA

 

29. The DBA lords are to be judged by the same above approach for an event to fructify.

The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly the primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for marriage). Suppose the Dasa lord is the primary significatotr of the house 2 and the Bhukti lord is a primary significator of the house 5 or 11, then the Antara lord should be the primary significator of the remaining house 7 to complete the chain of DBA for the event to materialize. The 3 houses must be found in the DBA lords.. The event will not materialize, if there are only primary significators of totally adverse or negative houses in the steps 3 and 4 of the DBA lords. . In the second example of the R3, Moon may not be chosen for the Bhukti in the DBA chain for marriage because Rahu is a primary significator of totally negative houses 1 and 12 for marriage in the 4th step of Moon. However,

if the star-lord of Rahu, Ketu is taken into consideration, Ketu is in 6 and its sign-lord Mercury is in 10 and lord of 10, 7. This 7th is supposed to help in taking the Moon Bhukti in the DBA chain. In the example of the R10, the Bhukti lord Jupiter may not be taken in the DBA chain for child birth because Jupiter is the only primary significators of totally negative houses 4, 8, 10 in the 4th step without any primary significators of 2, 5, 11 and 9 in the steps 3 and 4. Moreover, if the 8th ( 12 to supporting 9) is considered as a negative house for child birth (which is not clearly known), the Dasa lord Mars and Antara lord Moon may not be taken in the DBA chain for child birth because both Mars and Moon are the primary significators of 8th only in both steps 3 and 4. (R 1, pages 31-32, 39, 41-42, 75-76; R2-Part5; R 3, R8, Msg#13265, #13469)

 

30. In fixing the Dasa, if sometimes there may not be any ‘primary significator’ of required houses in any of the 4 steps, then its ‘secondary significator’ in any step can be taken into consideration as the Dasa period is too long. But for the Bhukti and Antara, a primary significator is needed in any step for the event to take place. (Msg #14357, #14381, #14393) In fact, the DBA chain can not be complete, if the Dasa lord is not a primary significator of at least one of the required houses. If the running dasa does not signify any of the required houses (2, 7, 11 for marriage), this dasa is left and the next dasa, which signifies any of the required houses, is chosen to make the DBA chain (2, 7, 11 for marriage) complete (Msg#13469, #13882)

 

31. In choosing the fruitful Antara out of many primary significators of the required houses, the priority is given to the earliest Antara, at the time of question, if the Lagna is in a movable sign; the next Antara, if the Lagna is in a fixed sign; and the following Antara of the last priority, if the Lagna is in a common sign; if it is still doubtful, Rahu/Ketu Antara can be chosen, as the nodes are stronger than the planets. Another practical way is to choose the Antara, of which lord signifies the required houses in the steps 3 and 4 other than the signification in the steps 1 and 2 as the primary significators in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more important or stronger’. When a main house of the required houses (2 for marriage) is primarily signified by a planet only, a primary significator of a supportive house (5 or

8 for marriage) can be chosen to make the DBA chain complete as the supportive houses are supposed to give the results of the main houses in certain cases. If there is not any planet, which is a primary significator of the required houses, the sub-lord of a cusp under consideration (4th in buying a house) can be taken into consideration with giving preference to the cusp sub-lord, which is also a primary significator of the required houses (4, 11, 1 in buying a house). (R 1, pages 37-38, 46-47, 68, 80, Msg#13680)

 

32. In the example chart 1, a monetary gain through foreign visit can be expected during the DBA chain jointly signifying 3, 9, 12 and 5, 7 along with 1, 2, 6, 11. A lot of combination of DBA is generally possible according to the very wide range of primary significators as summarized below and the details are provided in the Appendix. The primary significators of 1, 2 houses in the steps 3 and 4 are preferable for a monetary gain.

 

1) Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

2) Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

3) Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

4) Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

 

33. On the contrary to the example chart 1, in the attached example chart 2, the DBA chain can not be complete for such major events of finishing engineering, paper marriage and leaving for USA due to a ‘very limited’ number of primary significators, which are also the same for some planets.

 

34. In the example chart 1, the Sa-Ra-Me DBA at the time of planned foreign visit is easily found to be a complete chain of BDA for a monetary gain through foreign visit, as shown under.

 

1) Dasa lord Saturn primarily signifies 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11 in the steps 1 and 2; and 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11 in the steps 3 and 4.

2) Bhukti lord Rahu primarily signifies 3, 5, 12, 7, 9 and 6, 11 in the steps 1 and 2; and 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11 in the steps 3 and 4.

3) Antara lord Mercury primarily signifies 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6 in the steps 1 and 2; and 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6 in the steps 3 and 4.

 

VII. TRANSIT

 

35. A near timing of event can be fixed by the transits of the DBA lords. Here it is to check the star-lord of the fast moving planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) and the sub-lord of the slow moving planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu) in the first 2 steps only, without taking consideration of more important steps 3 and 4. The event will fructify, if these star-lord and sub-lord are the primary significators of any or more of the required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) in the first 2 steps, without taking into consideration of negative houses . The transit will not favor the event to take place, if there are the primary significators of the totally negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) only. The event will not materialize while the star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA lords are transiting, is in retrograde. In such a case, the next transit is

to be considered. The event will not fructify unless the transits of DBA are favorable even when the DBA lords are fruitful. (R1, pages 49, 52-54, 71-72,76-77; R2-Part 5, R3)

 

36. For the example chart 1, around the planned timing of foreign visit, Nov - Dec 2007:

 

1) Dasa lord Saturn (slow moving planet) will be transiting in the Mercury ‘sub’ till 9-11-2007, and then in the Venus sub.

2) Bhukti lord Rahu (slow moving planet) will be transiting in the Jupiter ‘sub’ till 20-11-2007, in the Rahu sub till 27-12-2007 and then in the Moon sub.

3) Antara lord Mercury (fast moving planet) will be transiting in the ‘star’ of Mars till 11-11-2007, then in Rahu star till 20-11-2007, Jupiter till 29-11-2007, Saturn till 8-12-2007, Mercury till 16-12-2007, Ketu till 24-12-2007, Venus till 02-01-2008.

4) No star-lord or sub-lord will be in ‘retrograde’ to negate the results of DBA. If any star-lord or sub-lord is in retrograde, the event can not be materialized during such period of transit, and it will require towait for the next transit.

 

37. The primary significators of the above star-lords and sub-lords in the first 2 steps (1 and 2) are as given under.

 

1) Ketu: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7and 11

2) Venus: 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11

3) Moon: 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 and 11

4) Mars: 5, 12 and 6

5) Rahu: 3, 5, 12, 9 and 11, 6

6) Jupiter: 3, 12, 7, 9, 5 and 11, 6

7) Saturn: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11

8) Mercury: 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6

 

38. Since every star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA lords will be transiting, primarily signifies one or more of the required houses, the transit agrees with the DBA. The most beneficial time for a monetary gain through foreign visit is expected, firstly from 9-12-2007 to 16-12-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the Venus sub, Bhukti lord Rahu in its own Rahu sub and Antara lord Mercury in its own Mercury star, and secondly from 25-12-2007 to 02-01-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the Venus sub, Bhukti lord Rahu in Rahu/Moon sub and Antara lord Mercury in Venus star.

 

VIII. RETROGRESSION

 

39. The retrogression is not applied in the horary and natal prediction. It is used ‘only’ in considering the transits of DBA lords for the event to take place. The transiting DBA lords should not be in the relevant sub and star of retrograde planets for an event to materialize. (R1, pages 54, 75, Msg#13296, Messages in the other group)

 

X. URANUS, NEPTUNE AND PLUTO

 

41. Uranus giving sudden, unexpected results, Neptune deceit and Pluto explosive results are also taken into consideration. It is supposed to avoid many mistakes by taking into consideration of the effects of these planets in KP. In an example chart for a match, Mars aspecting Pluto within the 3d:20m orb has to give the result of Pluto, unexpectedly loosing the match, reversing Mars’ own primary signification of 1, 6. (R1, page 63-64, Msg#13387) In an example chart of child birth in the R6, although the star-lord of the 5th cusp sub-lord’s sub-lord Jupiter, a primary significator, is in the ‘odd’ sign, the first child was a girl due to Jupiter’s conjunction with Neptune in retrograde, giving a negative result. For the sex of the 2nd child, there was no effect of Jupiter’s

conjunction with Neptune because Jupiter is not a primary significator in this case. The star-lord of the 7 th cusp sub-lord is Mars, and it is in conjunction with Pluto and aspects the 6 and 10 houses within the prescribed orb, indicating illness and caesarian, negative to the desired normal delivery. These write ups and the chart of the given birth details do not tally in the article (R6). Neptune in 7th is also supposed to deny marriage, which is promised by the standard approach. (Msg#14051) However, the negative affects of Neptune and Pluto are not conclusive. (Msg#14075, #14106, #14157) Pluto the planet is dead. (Msg#9423, #9680) Moreover, to make or break a rule, a study or one’s experience of ‘at least’ 100 cases with around 70-75% favorable results may be required.

 

 

 

 

IX. HOUSE GROUPING

40. The available house grouping is given below.

 

 

 

 

 

S

N

 

Event

 

C

P

 

Houses to be

signified

 

Remark and Reference

 

 

1

 

Purchase of

house

 

4

 

4,11,12

 

9,6 supportive for getting loan; 8= delay, difficulties; One can’t have his own house if 4th Sbl is Ra/Ke. (R1, pages 77-80)

 

 

2

 

Child birth

 

5

 

2,5,11 & supportive 9

(if connected Ke & barren Sign<Ar,Ge,

Le & Vi> a possibility of abortion)

 

For female 5th for 1st child, 7th for 2nd etc; for male to consider ‘5th for all children’. If plt of 5th Sbl at 4th step (Stl of 5th Sbl’s Stl) is in ‘odd’ sign, ‘male’child; in even sign, female child; 1,4,10 are negative houses. (R1, p 43, 45, 47; R10, Msg#14148)

 

 

3

 

Caesarian

birth

 

5

 

Connected to

Mars & 8th

 

Also when DBA lords connected to Mars, (R1, page 47; R6)

 

 

4

 

Profit in

buying shares

 

5

 

2,6,11 & supportive

1,3,10

 

To apply horary only; short term investment, less than 1yr; 5,8,12=no profit; selling when 2,6 are strong. For long term investment to check 12th cusp sub-lord.

1,2= benefit in short/long term; (R5, Msg#13571 & others)

 

 

5

 

Stock market

movement

 

5

 

1,2,3,6,10,11

(good prospect)

 

Also dasa ending at market hr. 7th indicates a slide down. Jupiter & Mercury transit by

considering in all 4 steps and effects of Saturn, Rahu, Mars & retrograde etc (Messages in the other group)

 

 

6

 

Win a match

 

6

 

6,10,11 & 1,2,3

 

 

 

If answer is doubtful, consider 11th; also 12th & 5th for opponent, for whom 5,7,9,12 are favorable; 8,9,12 = tough fight; Also to judge Moon’s star at starting time of

match by all 4 steps; For other nations without India, 6 & 11 from 9th to be considered; 6,11,10= clear cut victory; no signify-cation of them indicates loss; DBA

is not applied for one day match.

(R1, p 60-61, Msg#13084, #14859

Messages in the other group)

 

 

7

 

Marriage

 

7

 

2,7,11 & 5,8

 

1,6,10,12 are negative houses; in some cases 4 also is negative.

(R1, pages 32,37, 41; R7; R9)

 

 

8

 

Divorce

 

7

 

1,6,12

 

Multi-marriage: 7th Sbl in dual sign and Sbls of 6th & 7th are the same. (R1, pp 37-38)

 

 

9

 

Marriage and

Divorce

 

D BA

 

2,7,11 &

also 1,4,6,12

 

If DBA lords primarily signify 2,7,11 & also 1,4,6,12 (R1, Page 37, Msg#14096)

 

 

10

 

Sale of house

 

10

 

10,5,6 & 3,9

 

(R1, page 73)

 

 

11

 

Change in job

 

10

 

3,5,9

 

3 & 12 = leave a job secured;

(R1, pages 51-52, 55, 57)

 

 

12

 

Get a new

job

 

10

 

2,6,10 &

1,11

 

Favorable houses to get a new job:2,11 & 1; 8= supportive/favorable/ also hurdles;

(R1,p 49,51-52,57-59; R8)

 

 

13

 

Going abroad

 

12

 

3,9,12 & 5,7

 

With 10 for job; 6= unfavorable

house; (R1, 65-67,71-72)

 

 

14

 

Death

 

 

 

Maraka(2,7),

Badhaka, 12

 

(R1, pages 88-89, 92)

 

XI. OBSERVATION

 

42. Once the primary significators are ready in hand, the prediction is theoretically easy by choosing the DBA chain and checking transit. However, practically it may not be so as per a review of events below.

 

HOUSES SIGNIFIED BY THE DBA CHAIN AND TRANSIT AGREEMENT

 

 

 

 

 

S

 

Chart

 

Event

 

Dasa

 

Bhukti

 

Antara

 

T

 

Remark

 

 

1

 

Example

Chart 1

(attached)

 

1st job

 

6,10,11*

 

6,10,11

 

6,10,

11*

 

A

 

No 2

* = same plt

A= transit

agrees DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage

 

7,11,5,

8

 

7,11,5,

8

 

7,11,5,

8

 

A

 

No 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Son born

 

5,11,9

 

5,11,9

 

2,5,11,

9

 

A

 

Complete

DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last foreign

visit

 

3,9,12,

5,7*

 

3,9,12,

5,7

 

3,9,12,

5,7*

 

A

 

Complete

DBA chain

 

 

2

 

Example

Chart 2

(attached)

 

Eng degree

 

9*

 

9

 

9*

 

A

 

No 4 or 11

A= transit

agrees DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st job

 

2

 

2,10*

 

2,10*

 

A

 

No 6 or 11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paper marriage

 

2

 

2

 

2

 

N

 

No 7,11 or 5,8

N= transit does not agree

 

 

 

 

 

 

Got a job

 

2

 

2,10,1

 

2,6

 

A

 

Complete

DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Left for US

 

9

 

3,9

 

9

 

N

 

No 12 or 5,7

 

 

 

 

 

 

Divorce

 

No 1,4,

6,10,12

 

6,4

 

6,10,4

 

N

 

DBA chain not complete

 

 

3

 

Example

Chart

Msg#14774

 

Marriage

 

8

 

7,11,5

 

7

 

N

 

No 2,7,11

in Dasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Divorce

 

10,12

 

1,4

 

10,12

 

N

 

No 6

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death of 2nd husband

 

3,8,10

 

3,8

 

3,1

 

A

 

Complete

chain (3,8,10, 1 or 3,8,10

as per 2nd or 9th for 2nd husband)

 

 

4

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LVII, 2nd Example

 

Marriage

 

2

 

2,5,8

 

2,7,5,

8

 

 

N

 

No 11

 

 

 

 

 

(from KP Reader

IV, p 192)

 

Divorce

sectioned

 

1*

 

10,12,1

 

1*

 

N

 

No 6 or 4

* = same planet

 

 

5

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LVIII, 1st Example

 

1st job

 

2,6,10,

1,11*

 

2,6,10,

1,11*

 

10,1

 

A

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage

 

2,7,11

 

2,7,11*

 

2,7,11*

 

N

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

6

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LVIII, 2nd Example

 

Marriage

 

2,7,8

 

2,7,8

 

2,8

 

N

 

No 11 or 5

N= transit not agree DBA

 

 

7

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LIX, 1st Example

 

1st job

 

2,11

 

6,11,1

 

10,11

 

A

 

Complete

DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Promotion

 

6,11,1*

 

6,11,1*

 

6,11,1

 

A

 

No 2, 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage

 

2,11,8

 

7,11,5,

8*

 

7,11,5,

8*

 

A

 

Complete

DBA chain

 

 

8

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LIX, 2nd Example

 

Marriage

 

2,7,5,

8*

 

2,7,5,

8*

 

2,7,5,

8*

 

A

 

No 11

* = same planet

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st child

 

2,5*

 

2,5*

 

2,5,11

 

A

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd child

 

2,5

 

2,5,9*

 

2,5,9*

 

A

 

No 7 or 11

 

 

9

 

Sub Lord

Speaks LIX, 3rd Example

 

Marriage

 

2,7,5,8

 

2*

 

2*

 

N

 

No 11

* = same planet

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st job

 

2,10,

11,1*

 

2,10,

11,1*

 

2,10,

11,1*

 

 

 

No 6

 

 

10

 

Guruji KSK Demon-

stration

Example

 

Father’s

death

 

7,8

 

7

(Badk)

 

7,8

 

A

 

No 10 or 3

(Maraka)

A= transit agrees DBA

 

 

 

 

(KP Reader III, p 139 or

 

Mother’s

death

 

5

 

5

 

5,3

 

N

 

No 12

(Badhaka)

 

 

 

 

146/ Reader

V, p 139/

 

Child’s

death

 

4,6,11

 

4,6,11

 

No 4,6,

11(Bdk)

 

 

 

DBA chain

not complete

 

 

 

 

Reader VI,

 

Marriage

 

7,11,5,

8*

 

7,11,5

 

7,11,5,

8*

 

N

 

No 2

 

 

 

 

p 83/ DOB 29-1-1928)

 

1st job

 

2,6,1

 

6,11

 

Neg. 5

in 4th step

 

A

 

DBA chain

not complete

No 10

 

 

11

 

Guruji KSK

 

1st job

 

1

 

10,1

 

2,1

 

N

 

No 6

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd son

born

 

Neg. 1

in 4th

step

 

 

5,9

 

Neg. 1

in 4th

step

 

N

 

DBA chain not complete

No 2, 11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3rd son

born

 

Neg. 1

in 4th

step

 

5,9

 

Neg. 1

in 4th

step

 

N

 

DBA chain not complete

No 2, 11

 

 

 

 

 

 

Retired

 

12

 

5,9*

 

5,9*

 

A

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st issue of

Astrology & Athrishta

 

---

 

---

 

---

 

N

 

No 3,10,11 in DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st Edition

of KP 2 Vol

 

---

 

---

 

---

 

N

 

No 3,10,11 in DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit to

Malaysia

 

12,7

 

7

 

9

 

A

 

No 3

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit to

Sri Lanka

 

12,7

 

7

 

3,9,12,

 

 

A

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death

 

2,7,12

 

7*

 

7*

 

N

 

Complete (No Bdk 11)

 

 

12

 

Dr. BV Raman

 

Marriage

 

2,7,11,

5

 

7,5

 

7,5,8

 

N

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st son

born

 

Neg.10

in 4th step

 

No 2,5,

11,9

 

5

 

N

 

DBA chain not complete

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd son

born

 

2,5,11,

9

 

Neg. 10

in 4th step

 

5

 

N

 

DBA chain not complete

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st US visit

 

7

 

7,5

 

3,9,12,

7,5

 

N

 

N= transit not agree DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd US visit

 

7

 

3,9,12,

7,5

 

7,5

 

A

 

A= transit

agrees DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

3rd US visit

 

7

 

3,9,12,

7,5

 

7,5

 

N

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4th US visit

 

7,5*

 

7,5*

 

7,5*

 

A

 

No 3,9,12

 

 

 

 

 

 

5th US visit

 

7,5

 

3,9,12

 

7

 

A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6th US visit

 

7,5

 

9,7,5

 

7

 

N

 

No 3,12

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death

 

7*

 

7*

 

7

 

A

 

No Badhaka (9) & 12

 

 

13

 

Albert

Einstein

 

1st job

 

10,11,1

 

10

 

10,6,1

 

A

 

Complete chain (No 2)

 

 

 

 

(AA chart)

 

Marriage

 

11,5,8

 

11,5,8*

 

11,5,8*

 

A

 

No 7

 

 

 

 

 

 

Got PhD

 

11,4

 

9,11*

 

9,11*

 

N

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Divorce

 

1,4,10,

12

 

1,6,10,

12

 

1,4,10,

12

 

N

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd marriage

 

11,5,8

 

5

 

11,5,8

 

A

 

No 7, 2 or 9

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moved to US

 

12

 

9,7

 

12,5

 

A

 

Complete chain (No 3)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death

 

12

 

12

 

12

 

A

 

No Maraka,

Badaka (7th)

 

 

14

 

George W.

Bush

(AA chart)

 

Marriage

 

2,11

 

Neg. 1 only in

all 4 steps

 

Neg.

1,4 in 4th

step

 

N

 

DBA chain

not complete

N= transit not agree DBA

 

 

 

 

 

 

Twin

daughters

born

 

2,11

 

2

 

Neg.

1,4 in 4th

step

 

A

 

DBA chain

not complete

No 5

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st time

president

 

10

 

2,6,10,

11,1*

 

2,6,10,

11,1*

 

N

 

Complete DBA chain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reelected

for 2nd term

 

10

 

10

 

1

 

A

 

DBA chain

not complete

 

REFERENCES

 

1. Sunil Gondhalekar: Advance Theory of KP, Four Step Theory

2. A.R. Raichur: “4 Step Method – Part 1 to 5â€, in the February to June-2007 issues of the KP E-Zine

3. A.R. Raichur: “4 STEP†(essentials of 4 step method), Msg#5333, also in the File Section of this KP Group

4. A.R. Raichur: “Marriage girlâ€, DOB 25-7-1982 (4 step example) in the File Section of the KP Group

5. A.R. Raichur: “Shares†(English Translation of Sunil Gondhalekar’s article, “Will it be Profitable to Buy Shares of IFCI Companyâ€, which appeared in the February-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene), in the File Section of the KP Group

6. Bane Anna: “Cannot Avoid Caesarianâ€, English Translation English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine, which appeared in the May-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene

7. S.S. Hiremath-Kalhapur: “Unmarried (Unfavoured Sub)â€, English Translation by A.R.. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine, which appeared in the June-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene)

8. Dr. Madhukar Konarde: “Will I Get a Job on Compassionate Groundsâ€, English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the August-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine, which appeared in the July-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene

9. Sunil Gondhalekar: “Marriage when?,†English Translation in the link below, which appeared in the July-2006 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene

http://www.astrouser.com/article_display.php?id=69

10. Ganeshaya Namaha: “KP Traditional vs. 4 Step – A Comparative Analysisâ€, in the March-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine

11. Messages to learn the Four Step Theory compiled in Msg#14851 and other Messages in this KP Group

12. Sri K.M. Subramaniam: SUBLORD SPEAKS – LVII, LVIII and LIX

 

APPENDIX

 

1. Life Example Chart 1 (Msg#14787)

 

1.1. Basic Data

 

Hardeep ji, 28-02-1958, 17-20 PM, Ramgarh, Near Ranchi, Bihar, 23N38, 85E31,

New KPA 23-10-58, Mars Dasa Bal 0Y-7M-16D

 

Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl-Stl-Sbl- H

09th Ar 08-00 Mar-Ket-Jup Ke* Ar 11-06 Mar-Ket-Sat-9

10th Ta 09-41 Ven-Sun-Ven Mo+ Ge 05-28 Mer-Mar-Sun-10

11th Ge 10-54 Mer-Rah-Sat

12th Cn 11-08 Mo-Sat-Moo

01st Le 10-15 Sun-Ket-Sat

02nd Vi 07-36 Mer-Sun-Ket

03rd Li 08-00 Ven-Rah-Rah Ju+R Li 08-13 Ven-Rah-Ra-3 Rah* Li 11-06 Ven-Rah-Sat-3

04th- Sc 09-41 Mar-Sat-Ven Fort Sc 29-30 Mar-Mer-Sat-4 Sa+ Sg 01-30 Jup-Ket-Ven-4

05th Sg 10-54 Jup-Ket-Sat Mar Sg 24-35 Jup-Ven-Mer-5 Ven Cp 09-27 Sat-Sun-Ven-5

06th Cp 11-08 Sat-Moo-Mar

07th Aq 10-15 Sat-Rah-Jup Me+ Aq 13-19 Sat-Rah-Mer-7 Sun Aq 16-13 Sat-Rah-Ven-7

08th Pi 07-36 Jup-Sat-Ket

 

+ no planet in its star

* in its own star

 

 

1.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

 

1) 10-09-1988 (Ju-Mo-Ju-Ra) came in govt job as lecturer

2) 27-10-1991 (Ju-Ra-Ke-Ve) married

3) 14-09-1992 (Ju-Ra-Ma-Ju) birth of a son

4) 29-05-2007 to 05-07-2007 (Sa-Ra-Sa-Ve to Sa-Ra-Sa-Mo) last time foreign visit

5) Nov to end of Dec 2007 (Sa-Ra-Me-Mo to Sa-Ra-Me-Ju) planning to go abroad

 

Sa Dasa: 17-10-1992 to 17-10-2011

Sa-Ra: 28-05-2006 to 02-04-2009

Sa-Ju: 03-04-2009 to 17-10-2011

Me Dasa: 18-10-2011 to 17-10-2028

 

1.3. QUESTIONS

 

Will I gain through foreign visits? if yes, then what would be possible time?

Now I am planning to go abroad in Nov to end of December this year, will I gain monetarily?

Do you see any change in my professional status?

 

1.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

 

Empty houses: 1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12

 

Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Me, Ju, Sa

 

Planets in own stars (*): Ra, Ke

 

Me conj 7

Ju conj 3

Ve conj 6

Ra conj 3

Ke conj 9

 

Su conj Me Ra conj Ju

 

Mo is aspected by Ju Ke is aspected by Ju

 

Me aspects 1

Ju aspects 7, 9, 11

Ve aspects 12

Ra aspects 9

Ke aspects 3

 

Planet Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10, 12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

Starlord of Ke is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10, 12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

Sublord of Ke is Sa+: 4; 6

Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10, 12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

 

Planet Ve: Cnj 6

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

Sublord of Ve is Ve: Cnj 6

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

 

Planet Su:

Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 6

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7- 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

 

Planet Mo+: 10-12; Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3)

Starlord of Mo is Ma: 5

Sublord of Mo is Su:

Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

 

Planet Ma:

Starlord of Ma is Ve: 5; Asp 12; Cnj 6

Sublord of Ma is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

 

Planet Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Sublord of Ra is Sa+: 4; 6

Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

 

Planet Ju+: 3-8; Asp Mo(10-12); Asp 7; Asp 9; Asp 11; Cnj 3

Starlord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Sublord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

 

Planet Sa+: 4; 6

Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7,

Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

Sublord of Sa is Ve: Cnj 6

Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7-2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

 

Planet Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

Sublord of Me is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

 

1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

 

This is a very wide rage of primary significators generally indicating the events in the various combination of DBA chain.

Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

 

2. Life Example Chart 2 (Msg#14710/14777) 2.1. BASIC DATA

 

Khushdev Singla, 03-07-1977, 00:05 AM, Chandigarh (UT), 30N42, 76E48,

New KP Ayanamsa 23-27-10, Sun Dasa Bal 0Y-0M-0D

 

Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl--Stl-Sbl- -H

02nd Ar 21-59 Mar-Ven-Sat Mar Ar 26-02 Mar-Ven-Ket-2 Venu Ta 02-28 Ven-Sun-Jup-2

03rd Ta 18-57 Ven-Mon-Mer Jup Ta 26-43 Ven-Mar-Jup-3

04th Ge 12-16 Mer-Rah-Sat Sun Ge 17-17 Mer-Rah-Ven-4 Mer Ge 20-38 Mer-Jup--Jup-4

05th Cn 06-24 Moo-Sat-Mer Sa+ Cn 21-50 Moo-Mer-Sun-5

06th Le 05-58 Sun-Ket-Rah

07th Vi 15-40 Mer-Moo-Sat Rah Vi 26-45 Mer-Mar-Jup-7

08th Li 21-59 Ven-Jup-Sat For Li 08-23 Ven-Rah-Rah-8

09th Sc 18-57 Mar-Mer-Ket

10th Sg 12-16 Jup-Ket-Mer

11th Cp 06-24 Sat-Sun-Mer Mo+Cp 10-00 Sat-Sun-Ven-11

12th Aq 05-58 Sat-Mar-Moo

01st Pi 15-40 Jup-Sat-Jup Ket+ Pi 26-45 Jup-Mer-Jup-1

+ no planet in its star

 

2.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

 

1) Ra-Ra-Sa: July 1995, got admission in very reputed eng college

2) Ra-Ju-Ra: June1999, managed to clear engineering with much difficulty

3) Ra-Sa to Ra-Me-Me: appeared in IAS 3 times till July 2002 but couldn't clear it

4) Ra-Me-Me: august 2002 to DEC 2003, worked in an IAS coaching institute in partnership with his teacher

5) Ra-Me-Ra: Dec 2003, his partner cheated with him and had to opt out of this institute

6) Ra-Me-Ju: from Dec 2003 to April 2004, under huge depression, was idle and sitting in home

7) Ra-Me-Ra to Ra-Me-Ju: April 2004, got a (paper) marriage proposal from a daughter of IAS officer who was doing masters in Canada

8) Ra-Ke-Ve: February 2005, got a marriage proposal from another girl from Canada

9) Ra-Ke-Ve: march 2005, got the job in Airtel and worked there till august 2005

10) Ra-Ke-Ju: august 15th 2005, left for USA and joined college in august 2005, however couldn't study there, stayed in USA for 18 months and couldn't study at all

11) Ra-Ve-Su: august 30th 2006, got divorce from the first girl

12) Ra-Ve-Ma: January 2007, decided to come back to India, the second girl didn't like this and broke off from the native

 

Till today the native is on high dose of Anti depression drugs. At present he is doing job in Airtel again with salary of only Rs10000/.

 

DASA

 

Ra: 03-07-1994 to 03-07-2012

 

Ra-Ra: 03-07-1994 to 14-03-1997

Ra-Ju: 15-03-1997 to 08-08-1999

Ra-Sa: 09-08-1999 to 14-06-2002

Ra-Me:15-06-2002 to 31-12-2004

Ra-Ke: 01-01-2005 to 20-01-2006

Ra-Ve: 21-01-2006 to 20-01-2009

Ra-Su: 21-01-2009 to 14-12-2009

Ra-Mo: 15-12-2009 to 14-06-2011

Ra-Ma: 15-06-2011 to 03-07-2012

 

Ju: 04-07-2012 to 03-07-2028

 

2.3. QUESTIONS

 

What do you see in future for my career?When will I get married?

How will be my financial status?

 

2.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORSEmpty houses: 6, 8, 9, 10, 12Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa, KePlanets in own stars (*): NilRa is aspected by JuSa aspects 2Planet Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)Starlord of Ke is Me: 4Sublord of Ke is Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9Planet Ve:Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6Sublord of Ve is Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9Planet Su:Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)Sublord of Su is Ve:Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6Planet Mo+: 11Starlord of Mo is Su: 4-6Sublord of Mo is Ve:Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

Planet Ma:Starlord of Ma is Ve: 2-8Sublord of Ma is Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)Starlord of Ke is Me: 4

Planet Ra:Starlord of Ra is Ma: 2-9Sublord of Ra is Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9Planet Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9Sublord of Ju is Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9Planet Sa+: 5-12; Asp 2Starlord of Sa is Me: 4Sublord of Sa is Su:Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)

Planet Me:Starlord of Me is Ju: 3-10Sublord of Me is Ju:Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

 

1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

Here is a very limited number of primary significators providing the insufficient indication for events. Both the current running Rahu Dasa lord and the next coming Jupiter Dasa lord are primarily signifying the same 2-9 houses only, indicating the same results for the both Dasa periods.

 

R.Dhanabalan

 

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Ramesh <ram_t_1968 wrote:

Ramesh <ram_t_1968Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Cc: sunilalakaDate: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 4:50 AM

 

 

 

I am still confused on how to use Rahu and Ketu for predictions.

Amma Saranam!RegardsRameshhttp://www.amma. org"I am working on identifying a parcel of land for a Dutch investor in Bangalore"

 

 

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 29 July, 2008 10:47:15 AMRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar' s effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star..

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

 

 

I am giving my view in step by step

 

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

 

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

Pada

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

House

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

 

 

Bharani

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

 

 

Makha

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

I

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

II

 

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

Krittika

 

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

III

 

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

 

IV

 

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

 

V

 

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

VI

 

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

VII

 

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Swati

 

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

 

IX

 

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

 

X

 

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

 

XI

 

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

XII

 

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

 

 

Shravana

 

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

 

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

 

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dear dhanabalan,

very funny message.

4 step theory is based on sub's star,so no questin of misgiuding by KMS

-SUNIL GONDHALEKAR

On 7/29/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil

I have gone through the earlier messages in this group. I came to know that you have developed the 4 step theory based on the articles of Mr.KMS " Sublord speaks " . In those articles, Mr.KMS took sub's star and gave prediction. Hence Mr.KMS's articles misguided you.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka

Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:17 AM

 

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star..

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr..Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>

Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@

Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is " Time of

Transfer " .

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord " this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

@gro ups.com

Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

 

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

Pada

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

House

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179 "

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989 "

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037 "

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248 "

 

 

 

Bharani

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286 "

 

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876 "

 

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763 "

 

 

 

Makha

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757 "

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515 "

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385 "

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

I

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

II

 

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

 

Krittika

 

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

III

 

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

 

IV

 

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

 

V

 

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

VI

 

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

VII

 

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

Swati

 

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

 

IX

 

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

 

X

 

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

 

XI

 

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

XII

 

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767 "

 

 

 

Shravana

 

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

 

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear sunil Gondhalekar

It is stated that the 4 step theory was developed based on the articles "sublord speaks" by Mr.KMS. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree I will show you the reference.

 

In the article "sublord speaks", Mr.KMS gave prediction taking sub's star. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree, I will give you the evidence.

 

Please explain in detail, where I am wrong.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:12 AM

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

very funny message.

4 step theory is based on sub's star,so no questin of misgiuding by KMS

-SUNIL GONDHALEKAR

On 7/29/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil

I have gone through the earlier messages in this group. I came to know that you have developed the 4 step theory based on the articles of Mr.KMS "Sublord speaks". In those articles, Mr.KMS took sub's star and gave prediction. Hence Mr.KMS's articles misguided you.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comTuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:17 AM

 

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star...

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr...Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr..KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided..

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

Pada

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

House

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

 

 

Bharani

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

 

 

Makha

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

I

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

II

 

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

Krittika

 

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

III

 

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

 

IV

 

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

 

V

 

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

VI

 

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

VII

 

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

Swati

 

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

 

IX

 

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

 

X

 

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

 

XI

 

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

XII

 

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

 

 

Shravana

 

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

 

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mohankumar

Mr.Ramesh wants to know about Rahu/Ketu. This group has discussed already about Rahu/Ketu and the messages are in the file section. Some other members also wanted to know about Rahu/Ketu. I have just reproduced from the file section of this group for his convenience. It is not my collection. However, I do appreciate the persons who have collected thses materials and gave to the members.

 

R.Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 7/30/08, MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology wrote:

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrologyFw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators"Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalanWednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:31 PMDear Dhanapalan Sir,

Pranams to you. This is MK. We know each other at Salem. just went

through your posting on Rahu/Kethu's job. Wonderful collection by

you. You do read a lot, it seems. Well, let's come to the point.

What do you intend to put forward, my friend?

Do you want to say "That nobody is following nobody's rules"?

Have you ever applied anything anywhere and found anything so far?

Which point on Rahu/Kethu works really?

Pl come out with you practical views? Your experience.

Trust nobody, if you don't want to.

But, be precise; do some practicals; experiment each one's views.

Find out which is working and which is not.

Let us not just be critics. Let us find answers.

Everyone has got his own. I hope you have yours too.

All the best to you. I'LL BE BACK WITH MY ANSWERS. BYE NOW!

With regards,

MK (MOHAN KUMAR.R., SALEM)

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh

>

> RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP (by Tin Win in KP E-Zine, May 2007)

>

> I. BASIC RAHU/KETU RULES

>

> 1.1. Origin of Rahu/Ketu Rules

> (KP Reader II, 1983, page 315 )

>

> Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which

they are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then

they give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when

they are neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they

represent the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita -- Khanda VI Sloka

14 onwards)

>

> 1.2. Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

> (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/New Edition /NE/

page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

>

> 1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it is

conjoined;

> 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting it;

> 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the

constellation in which it is deposited;

> 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

>

> 1.3. Similar Version by Sri C. B. Bhatt

> (Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19)

> Rahu/Ketu as PLANET gives:

>

> 1) Firstly, the results of the planet in conjunction with it,

> 2) Secondly, the results of the planet aspecting it,

> 3) Thirdly, the results of its own star lord, and

> 4) Fourthly, the results of the owner of the sign occupied by it.

>

> 1.4. A Slightly Different Version by Guruji KSK

> (by taking the STARLORD "before" the planet in aspect/ KP Reader

VI, 1978/2002, pages 187/212/214/274/276)

> A node gives:

>

> 1) Firstly, the result of the planet or planets with which it is

conjoined,

> 2) Secondly, of the star lord in which it is deposited,

> 3) Then, of the planet or planets aspecting it and

> 4) Lastly, of the lord of the sign in which it is deposited.

>

> II. HOUSE OCCUPIED BY RAHU/KETU

> (KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 124 /NE, page 130/ KP

> Reader V, 1983, page 124)

>

> 2.1. The Role of House Occupied by Rahu/Ketu

> 1) Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Starlord

can

> offer.

> 2) Imagine as though Starlord is posited in that house in which

Rahu or

> Ketu tenanted.

> 3) Also imagine that Starlord is posited in that bhava. And it gives

> results to greater extent.

>

> 2.2. KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 110/ NE, page 116/ KP Reader

V, 1983, page 110

> Rahu and Ketu will occupy a house. They govern the stars Arudhra,

Swathi, Sathabisha, Aswini, Maka and Moola. So planets situated in

these stars will offer the results as indicated by either Rahu or

Kethu according to the house occupied by them. Further one should

include the results of the lord of the constellation and then the

lord of the sign in which Rahu and Kethu is posited. It is explained

in the end of the chapter (i.e. as furnished in 1.2 and 2.1).

>

> III. A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

>

> 3.1. Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19 (Sri C. B. Bhatt)

> If any planet is in the STAR of Rahu or Ketu,

> 1) that planet will signify the matters of the house occupied by

Rahu or Ketu;

> 2) that planet will indicate the matters of the house owned and

occupied by the Star lord of Rahu or Ketu; and

> 3) that planet will denote the matters of the house occupied and

owned by the owner of the sign occupied by Rahu or Ketu.

>

> 3.2. It is similar to 2.2 including the house occupied and

excluding the planets in conjunction and aspect.

>

> 3.3. The results of planets in conjunction and aspect for Rahu/Ketu

as STARLORD is rarely applied in KP Readers as furnished in 1.2 and

2.2. of the Appendix.

>

> 3.4. It may be a little awkward in preparing a KP planet wise and

star wise significator table while taking the starlord effects of

Rahu/Ketu as STARLORD.

>

> IV. OTHER VIEWS

>

> 4.1. An interesting approach is noted in Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1,

2003, page 308 and 311 (Sri M.P. Shanmughan) and in KP Year Book

2002, page 40 (N. Pandu/N. Santhanalingam), that Rahu/Ketu will offer

the results of a planet which is deposited in Rahu/Ketu star, eg. if

Mars is deposited in Rahu star, Rahu will offer the results of houses

3 and10 owned by Mars. And then the results of planets in conjunction

and aspect and starlord are mentioned to be considered.

>

> 4.2. In the 4 Step Method (invented by Sri Sunil Gonchalekar and

explained by Sri Anant Raichur in English), Rahu/Ketu is taken as

agent of the lord of sign occupied and as a significator of the house

occupied. If Rahu/Ketu is in conjunction with any planet within 3.33

degrees, this planet is also considered, and then the Starlord of

Rahu/Ketu, the Sublod of Rahu/Ketu, and the Starlord of the Sublord

are also considered. Only strong significators are considered by

taking into account of occupation of starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own star,

Rahu/Ket having no planet in its star and empty houses. Planets in

aspect are not considered unless within 3.33 degrees.

>

> 4.3. The importance of strong significators is emphasized in

Astrology for Beginners, Vol 5, page 669 (Sri K. Subramanium). Only

if there are no planets in Rahu/Ketu star, Rahu/Ket will signify the

house occupied. (If a planet is in Rahu/Ketu star, the planet will

signify the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu.) Only if there are no

planets in the star of the signlord, Rahu/Ketu will signify the

results of the signlord. (If a planet is in the star of signlord,

Rahu/Ketu will signify the houses occupied by the signlod and the

starlod of the signlord and the houses owned by the STARLORD of the

signlord, provided there is no planet in those houses). And then the

results of the planets in conjunction and aspect are mentioned to be

considered.

>

> ..V. RAHU/KETU’S ASPECTS

>

> 5.1. Since the Rahu/Ketu Rules in 1.2 and 2.1 are commonly used,

the application of Rahu/Ketu’s aspects is not found in KP

literature except Dr. Bal Krishna Singh Hatia applying Rahu `s 5th

and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, page 26 and Sri Prof. K.

Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th (Hindu) aspects in KP

Year Book, 2002, page 82-90. According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5,

7, 9, and 12 fully (Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by Dr. P. S. Sastri,

Edition 2001, page 43; Thanks to Ms. Sandy Crowther for giving

reference.) and Jupiter-like aspects of Rahu/Ketu are used in Vedic

Astrology.

>

> VI. SOME FINDINGS FROM EXAMPLES IN KP READERS

>

> 6.1. In examples regarding Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP Readers III, IV, V

and VI (as furnishe in the Appendix), Hindu aspects and conjunction

are used; the importance of strong significators is considered

whenever appropriate by taking into account of the occupation of

starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own star, Rahu/Ket having no planet in its

star and empty houses.

>

> 6.2. Even though quoted "only when they are neither conjoined with,

nor

> aspected by any planet, they represent the lord of the house." ,

whether Rahu/Ketu as Planet or Starlod or Sublord, the results of the

followings are taken depending on relevance to the matter under

consideration regardless of their sequence of order:

>

> 1) House occupied,

> 2) Planet in conjunction,

> 3) Planet in aspect and

> 4) Starlord,

> 5) Signlord, for instances:

>

> a) Conjunction/Starlord/Signlord Rules are applied together in

Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50) and Reader VI

pages 302/316;

> b) Conjuction/Aspect/ Signlord Rules are applied together in Reader

IV page 111;

> c) Occupation/Aspect/Signlord Rules are applied together in Reader

VI, page 190;

> d) Signlord Rule is applied neglecting the planet in conjunction in

Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/85 (NE pages 200-1/244-45).

>

> 6.3. Rahu/Ketu as agent of the planet in conjunction or aspect or

signlord is supposed to give whatever the planet concerned is to

signify (KP Reader VI, page 234) but only houses occupied and owned

by the planet are commonly considered, and further results of the

planet's Starlord are taken in some cases only, for instances:

>

> 1) Starlod of Starlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 13 (NE page

166);

> 2) Starlord of Signlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 85 (NE pages

244-45).

>

> 6.4. Generally the houses occupied and owned by STARLORD and the

house occupied by Rahu/Ketu are shown by KP SWs, and in addition

planets acted by Rahu/Ketu as agent and planets having no planet in

their stars are also shown by KPAstro 2.5.

>

> VII. CONCLUSION

>

> In applying Rahu/Ketu Rules of house occupied, planets in

conjunction and aspect, starlord and signlord, consideration of the

priority and strong significators will be crucial when Rahu/Ketu

plays a dual role in cases of life or death, marriage or denial etc.

>

>

> APPENDIX: APPLICATION OF RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP READERS

>

> 1. PLANET IN CONJUNCTION RULE

>

> 1.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> Reader III Old Edition (OE) Part 2 pages 11/85/140/206-7 (New

Edition/NE/ pages 164/244-5/304/376-7)

> Reader IV (1984/2002) pages 111/133

> Reader V (1983) page 200

> Reader VI (1978/2002) pages 187/302

>

> 1.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLOD

> Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50)

>

> 1.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/202 (NE pages 200-1/371)

> Reader IV page 106

> Reader VI pages 312/316

>

>

> 2. PLANET IN ASPECT RULE

>

> 2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244-

5/294/344/376-7/383-4)

> Reader IV page 111

> Reader VI page 187

>

> 2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

>

> Reader VI page 190

> 2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> Reader IV page 108

>

> 3. STARLORD RULE

>

> 3.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 12-13/ 42/61/130 (NE

pages 149/165-6/198/219/294)

> Reader IV pages 133/207-8/230

> Reader VI pages 190/298/302

>

> 3.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3/ Part 2 pages 11/18/ 61/85/108 (NE

pages 149-50/164/171/219/245/270)

>

> 3.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> Reader III OE Part 1 page 143/Part 2 page 61 (NE pages 150/219)

> Reader IV pages 106/108/145

> Reader VI pages 226/291/316

>

> 4. SIGNLORD RULE

>

> 4.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 11/39/66-

7/85/108/144/150/152/176/199/202/206-7 (NE pages 149/164/194/223-

4/245/270/308/na/318/344/368/371/376-7)

> Reader IV page 111/175/208/239

> Reader V page 200-1

> Reader VI pages 273/ 298/302

>

> 4.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> Reader III OE Part 1 page 142-3/Part 2 pages 11/37/85/111/140/144

(NE pages 149-50/164/192/244-5//273/304/308)

> Reader IV pages 190/225

> Reader V pages 141/200

>

> 4.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> Reader III OE Part 2 pages 18/37/44-5/202 (NE pages 171/192/200-

1/371)

> Reader IV 106/108/145

> Reader VI p 290/312/316

>

> 5. HOUSE OCCUPIED RULE

>

> 5.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> KP Reader III OE, Part 1 page142/Part 2 pages 11/61/80/149/155 (NE

pages 149/164/219/238-9/315/320)

> KP Reader IV pages 197/239

> KP Reader V pages 141/201

> KP Reader VI pages 190/217/298

>

> 5.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> Reader III OE Part 2 pages 12-3/39-40/85/154-5 (NE pages 165-6/193-

4/244-5/320-1)

> Reader IV pages 207/225/227/239

> Reader V pages 133/141/200

> Reader VI page 190

>

> 5.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> Reader III Part 2 pages 61/143/155 (NE pages 219/307/320)

> Reader IV pages 106/197/227

> Reader VI p 226/290

>

> --

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> A STUDY NOTE ON FOUR STEP THEORY

>

> I. INRTODUCTION

>

> 1. This is a study note for better understanding of the Four Step

Theory.

>

> II. SIGNIFICATORS

>

> 2. The 4 steps are as follows:

>

> 1) The Planet itself

> 2) The Star Lord of the Planet

> 3) The Sub Lord of the Planet

> 4) The Star Lord of this Sub Lord

>

> 3. In each step, the houses signified by the planet are the house

occupied and the houses owned by the planet. All the houses indicated

in the 4 steps are basically the secondary significators of the

‘main’ planet in the step 1. Out of them the primary (strong)

significators are chosen by the basic and special rules.

>

> 4. Only the primary significators are considered in this theory

and the 3rd and 4th steps are given more importance. In checking the

promise of an event by the relevant cusp sub-lord and choosing the

fruitful DBA for an event, the cusp sub-lord and the DBA lords are

considered by the houses of primary significators in all 4 steps.

>

> III. PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

>

> III.1. Basic Primary Significators

>

> 5. The basic primary significators are as given under:

>

> III.1.1. Based on Starlord

>

> 5.1. A planet acting as the starlord of another planet, i.e. a

planet in the step 2 or 4 is a primary significator of the house

occupied and the houses owned by this planet, provided they are empty

(not occupied by Sun to Ketu, without taking into consideration of

Fortuna, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto).. So the empty houses, in the

‘attached’ example chart 1, ‘1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12’ houses, are

to be noted down. These houses primarily signified are the KP grade A

significators and grade C significators, which are upgraded when the

relevant houses are empty.

>

> III.1.2. Based on Star Position

>

> 5.2. A planet with no planet in its star or a planet in its own

star is the primary significator of the house it occupies and the

houses it owned, only if the houses are empty. So in the example

chart 1, the planets with no planet in their stars are to be marked

by “+â€, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa’ and the planets in their own stars

by “*â€, ‘Ra, Ke’. All these planets, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa, Ra,

Ke’, are the primary significators in any step of 4 steps.

Otherwise the planets in step 1 and step 3 are the secondary

significators. These houses primarily signified are the upgraded KP

grade B significators for the planets with no planet in their stars

and in their own stars and upgraded grade D significators, when the

relevant houses are empty. In the example chart 1, Venus is a primary

significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1 and 3.

>

> III.2. Rahu/Ketu Significators

>

> 6. The above same rules (in the point 5) apply to Rahu/Ketu, which

gives the results of the planets conjoined and aspecting within the

3d:20m orb, its star-lord and its sign-lord in the ascending order.

As a practical starting point, the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu, and

the house occupied and the houses owned by its sign-lord are usually

taken into consideration. Only if Rahu/Ketu is itself the ‘primary

significator’(as per the principles in the point 5), then the

planets conj or aspt, star-lord and sign-lord also will become the

‘primary significators’. If Rahu/ Ketu is itself the secondary

significator only, then they also will be the secondary significators

even though they are by themselves the primary significators. In the

attached example chart 1, since Rahu is a primary significator in any

step of 4 steps by being in its own star, its ‘Sgl Ve and conj

Ju’ also become the primary significators. In the attached example

chart 2, Rahu is a

> primary significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1

and 3. (R1, pages 30, 41-42, R2, R9) (R1 means the Reference item

no 1.)

>

> 7. An emphasis is given to take into consideration of the house

occupied and the houses owned by the star-lord of Rahu/Ketu when it

is the star-lord of another planet, ie. Rahu/Ketu in the step 2 or

4. Its star-lord gives stronger results than its signlord. The

primary significators of the conjoined and aspecting planets are also

to be added as relevant. The results of the conjoined or aspecting

planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator)

should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its

results. In the attached example chart 2, for the primary

significator Rahu as a Stl of Su, ‘Asp by Ju(3,10) and Stl Mo(2,7)

’ are supposed to be stronger than ‘Sgl Me(4)’, which is

assumed not to give its results in such case. (R 1, pages 28, 30, 41-

42, 61, 77, 79, R5, Msg#14976, #14998) (Msg# means the Messages in

this KP Group.)

>

> 8. The KP Rahu/Ketu rules are only the Kalidasa’s “rules of the

results of planets conjoined and aspecting and the sign-lord†plus

“Guruji KSK’s star-lord ruleâ€, nothing else, and the same rules

followed by ‘Shri Bhatt’ and the Four Step Theory can be seen in

Msg#1832, #3231 and Msg #8911 or Ra/Ke rules in the KP E-Zine May

2007, in which each and every practical application of the Rahu/Ketu

rules applied by Guruji KSK in his all Readers has been studied and

the other views in the KP literature have been provided. It can also

be found there whether there are two separate Rahu/Ketu rules as

mentioned in Msg#14976 and whether Shri Bhatt could not judge how

nodes give the results as mentioned in Msg14998#.

>

> 9. It is worthy to note that Rahu is called as a blemish planet,

which creates problems and does not give results effectively to the

native when it is in the DBA. If Rahu is a strong significator of

improving houses in all 4 steps, which is not found in most cases,

then it won’t create problems. Ketu does not create problems if it

is supporting favorable houses. (Messages in other group)

>

> II.3. Additional Primary Significators from the KP ‘E’ Grade

Significators

>

> 10. The special rules of upgrading the weak KP ‘E’ grade

significators to the additional primary significators are as follows:

>

> 1) Conjunction with Cusp,

> 2) Conjunction between Planets,

> 3) Aspect on Cusp, and

> 4) Aspect between Planets.

>

> II.3.1. Conjunction with Cusp

>

> 11. If a planet is in conjunction with a cusp within 3d:20m orb,

behind (before) the cusp or ahead (after) the cusp, the planet is

‘automatically’ taken as a primary significator of this cusp in

‘any step’ of 4 steps, irrespective of other planets being in the

house whose cusp is conjoined by the planet or the planet not being a

primary significator. One may wonder whether a planet can become a

primary significator by the mere conjunction with a cusp within

3d:20m orb. In the case of conjunction before the cusp, the

physically occupied house is also taken into consideration as a

significator, and it will also become a primary significator when the

relevant planet is a primary significator. In such a case, the planet

becomes a primary signifcator of the conjoined house as well as the

previous house, which is a negative house for the conjoined house.

The 3d:20m orb can be increased up to 4-5 degree especially for the

fast moving planets (Sun, Mars,

> Mercury and Venus) and the very fast moving Moon. (R 1, pages 20-

24, 27, 49, 53, 57, 61,67, 91; R2, Part-4 & 5; Msg#13680, #13882,

#14148, #14976)

>

> 12. In the example chart 1, ‘Ven conj 6’ is a conjunction

before 6th cusp, and ‘Me conj 7, Ju conj 3, Ra conj 3, Ke conj 9’

are the conjunctions after the cusps. In the case of ‘Ven

> conj 6’ before the cusp, the physically occupied house 5th is

also taken in to consideration. When Venus becomes a primary

significator by being the star-lord of Mars in the step 2, both 5 and

6 houses become primary significators, offering 6th and 5th,

‘12th to 6th’, at the same time, which are opposing to each

other such as gain and loss, sickness and cure etc.

>

> II.3.2. Conjunction of Planets

>

> 13. If a planet is conjoined with another planet within 3d:20m orb,

the planet becomes a primary significator of another planet, only if

the original planet itself is a primary significator (as per the

rules in the point 5). These two planets (excluding Rahu/Ketu) in

conjunction will offer the results to each other. However, in the

case of ‘Ra/Ke conj another planet’, ‘only’ Rahu/Ketu offers

the results of the conjoined planet as an agent of this planet but

the conjoined planet cannot offer the results of Rahu/Ketu. (R 1,

pages 27-28, 41-42, 51-53, R2-Part 4 & 5; Msg #13882, #14140)

>

> 14. In the example chart 1, in the case of ‘Su conj Me’, Sun

gives the results of Mercury when Sun becomes a primary significator

by being the star-lord of Venus in the step 2. On the other side,

Mercury, having no planet in its star, offers the results of Sun in

any step of 4 steps. However, in the case of ‘Ra conj Ju’,

‘only’ Rahu offers the results of Jupiter as an agent of Jupiter

since Rahu is a primary significator by being in its own star. Here a

caution is that Jupiter cannot give the results of Rahu, like Jupiter

giving the results of Ketu in the case of ‘Ke conj Ju’ in the

example of the R 2-Part 4. Similarly Jupiter, which is the sign-lord

of Rahu, cannot offer the results of Ra(2,8) in the first 2 steps

like being mentioned to do so in Msg#14867, even though Rahu is an

agent of Jupiter. Rahu/Ketu will give whatever the planet is to

give when it is an agent of this planet but the planet can not give

the results of RahuKetu.

> It is an agent of the planets conjoined and aspecting and the sign-

lord but it does not act as an agent of its star-lord.

>

> II.3.3. Aspect on Cusp

>

> 15. If a planet throws the Hindu aspects on the cusps (not houses)

within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of

these cusps, only if the ‘original’ planet itself is a primary

significator (as per the rules in the point 5), irrespective of other

planets being in the aspected houses. Ketu’s 7th aspect on the

‘cusp’ within 30d:20m orb is taken into consideration, implying

to take Rahu’s similar aspect also. (R 1, pages 28, 34, 70, 87,

#14976, #14998)

>

> 16. In the example chart 1, Jupiter aspects 7, 9, 11 cusps. Since

Jupiter is a primary significator with no planet in its star, it

becomes a primary significator of 7, 9, 11 houses. In the example

chart 2, Saturn aspects 2 only and as a primary significator by

having no planet in its star, it becomes a primary significator of

the 2nd house. ‘Me asp 7, Ju asp 9, Ve asp 12, Ra asp 9, Ke asp

3’ are all the ‘7th’ aspects. While aspecting these cusps, the

planets are conjoined with the opposite cusps, ie. ‘Me conj 1, Ju

conj 3, Ve conj 6, Ra conj 3, Ke conj 9. Thus these planets become

the significators of opposite houses, ie. Me for 1 & 7; Ju for 2 & 9;

Ve for 6 & 12; Ra for 3 & 9; Ke for 9 & 3 (Ra /Ke for the same 3

&

9) . One may think whether the same planet can signify the opposite

houses, indicating opposite matters and how Rahu or Ketu can aspect

the opposite cusp and consequently signify all the same opposite

houses. (Msg#3316,

> #14708, #14843, #14987, #15079) In KP the aspect of Rahu/Ketu is

not considered since it is only the sensitive intersecting point in

the pathway of Sun and Moon. In the chart in the R5, where Sun (Sc 09-

03) is conjoined with the 12th cusp (Sc 10-59) and aspects the 6th

cusp (Ta 10-59), signifying the opposite houses of financial gain

(6th) and loss (12th) at the same time, which are opposing to each

other. Whether to take into consideration of all primary

significators or to exclude some of them, especially significators by

7th aspect is up to the own judgment and preference of an astrologer.

If 7th aspect is not taken into consideration, Rahu/Ketu’s opposite

7th aspect on a cusp will be automatically ruled out. Depending on

which option is chosen, the result can be entirely different, for

instance in the example chart in Msg#14714, Antara lord Venus can

give marriage if ‘Su asp 7’ is taken into consideration in the

4th step, otherwise marriage

> is denied in Venus Antara by the primary signification of

‘totally negative’ houses 1, 12 in the 4th step.

>

> 17. The Rahu/Ketu conjunction with a cusp within the 3d:20m orb

is not rare as said in Msg#14976 but common as shown below:

>

> 1) R1, chart no 5, ‘Ketu conj 3’

> 2) R1, chart no 8, ‘Ketu conj 12’

> 3) R1, chart no 10, ‘Ketu conj 1’

> 4) R1, chart no 16, ‘Ketu conj 2’

> 5) R1, chart no 17, ‘Ketu conj 9’

> 6) R2- Part 2, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

> 7) R2- Part 4, example chart, ‘Ke conj 3’

> 8) R2- Part 5, example chart, ‘Ke conj 11’

> 9) Msg#5258, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

> 10) Msg#13680, example chat, Ke conj 6’

> 11) Msg#14700, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 3’

> 12) Msg#14711, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 9’

> 13) Msg#14787, example chart, ‘Ket conj 9’

> 14) SUB LORD SPEAKS LIX 1st example, ‘Ket conj 8’

>

> 18. Every case is unique but the rules are general for all cases

without discrimination. The rules can not work for each case and

every event, for instance the marriage on 13-4-1979 (ceremony on 14-4-

1979) of the live chart in Msg#14774 can not be clearly justified

by the KP or Four Steps rules.

>

> II.3.4. Aspect between Planets

>

> 19. If a planet has the Hindu aspect (throwing or receiving) with

another planet within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary

significator of another planet, provided the original planet itself

is a primary significator (as per the rules in the point 5). (R 1,

pages 28, 30, 54, 57, 70, 75)

>

> 20. In the example chart 1, ‘Mo Aspected by Ju’ and on the side

of receiving aspect, Moon with no planet in it star, as a primary

significator, offers the results of Jupiter in any step of 4 steps.

On the other side of throwing aspect, Jupiter, a primary significator

by having no planet in its star, also gives the results of Moon in

any step of 4 steps. In the chart of Msg#13882, Me (Ar 07-

>

> 21) and Jupiter (Li 04-40) are aspecting each other by 7th aspect,

which is not taken into consideration there. If this 7th aspect is

taken into consideration like in the Four Step Book, Mercury, as star-

lord of Sun, has to offer the results of Ju(8-11) and Jupiter,

without any planet in its star, has to give the results of Me(2-5),

and thus both Mercury and Jupiter have to signify the same opposite

houses of 2 and 8 at the same time, which seems doubtful.

>

> IV. RULING PLANETS

>

> 21. The RPs of only 4 items applied in this theory are in the

following order. (R1, pages 32, 34, 40-42, 81-83, 88, 91, R2-Part 5,

R9, Msg#13610, #13882, #14553, #14976):

>

> 1) Lagna Lord,

> 2) Moon’s Starlord,

> 3) Moon’s Sign Lord, and

> 4) Day Lord.

>

> 22. The Rahu/Ketu is to be taken as the RPs, only if it

‘directly’ appears in the RPs and not to take it while appearing

as the agents of the RPs.

>

> 23. The ‘main essence’ of this theory is to judge the events

without the help of the RPs and so they are not used in fixing the

DBA, except in the analysis of the chart no. 21 at the end of the R1,

pages 91-92.. The RPs are used ‘only’ to confirm or correct the

sub-lord of the relevant cusp in the Natal chart. If the sub-lord is

among the RPs, it is supposed to be correct. If it does not appear

in the RPs, the RP (planet), which is ahead or behind the original

sub-lord is taken as the corrected sub-lord of the relevant cusp.

The preference is given to the RP as per the above order of priority,

if both planets ahead and behind the original sub-lord appear in the

RPs. The confirmation or correction of the cusp sub-lord under

consideration is to be done, as if there is some change in the birth

time, before the prediction of a natal chart. However, the horoscope

is not recasted in line with the corrected sub-lord of the relevant

cusp.

>

> 24. The RPs will change depending on time, place and person.

Consequently, any result based on the RPs also will change, implying

not giving support or help to everybody at every time. (R1, page 2,

Msg#14833,#13387, #14976, #5051, #5054)

>

> 25. For the example chart 1, the RPs at the time of judgment, at

22:03:27 PM on 08-10-2007 at 39N05, 77W09, TZ (GMT-5) are as follows:

>

> 1) Lagna Lord = Venus

> 2) Moon’s Star Lord = Venus

> 3) Moon’s Star Lord = Sun

> 4) Day Lord = Moon

>

> 26. Since the 12th cusp sub-lord Moon is in the RPs, it is supposed

to be a correct sub-lord. For a case where the relevant sub-lord is

not in the RPs, suppose the Day Lord is Mars, then the sub-lord Moon

is not in the RPs. So Moon is to be corrected to Sun (before Moon) or

Mars (after Moon), which are in the RPs, and the preference should be

given to Sun as per the priority order of the RPs.

>

>

> V. PROMISE OF AN EVENT

>

> 27. If the sub-lord of the cusp governing the event under

consideration is a primary significator of any or more of the

required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) in any or more of

the 4 steps, then the event is promised for fructification unless

there is the primary signification of ‘totally negative’ houses

(4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. Whatever it may be or

even though there are the primary significators of the ‘totally

negative’ houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 1 and 2, any

primary significator of the required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for

marriage) or a mixture of positive houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for

marriage) and negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 3

and 4, will give the positive result. The result will be unfavorable,

only if the primary significators are ‘totally negative’ (4, 6,

12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. So the primary significators

in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more

> important’ than the ones in the steps 1 and 2. The common rule

of taking ‘12th to any house’ as a ‘negative house’ for this

house is not applicable in every case, for instance the 1st house,

though 12th to the 2nd, is not held as a negative house for 2nd, but

considered as a primary house to get money as it represents the

native and his efforts etc; 10th is not considered as a negative

house to 11th.. In the 1st example chart of the SUB LORD SPEAKS ��"

LVII article, the 7th cusp sublord Mercury is a primary significator

of 12 only in the 4th step, without any other marriage giving primary

significtors of 2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 in the steps 3 and 4. If 12th is

considered as a negative house to marriage, the result will be the

same as in the article that the martial life is not promised. In the

example chart of the R4, the marriage an not be promised, if the 12th

house is considered as a negative house for marriage since the 7th

cusp sub-lord Venus

> is the primary significator of 12th house only in the 4th step. As

per KP marriage is also found not promised in Msg#6077 (#6088). (R1,

page 41-42, R5, Msg#4409, #13195, #13245, #13571, #14336, #14364)

>

> 28. In the example chart 1, the 12th cusp sublord is Moon,

primarily signifying 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 in the steps 1 and 2 and 3, 5,

12, 7, 9 in the steps 3 and 4. So foreign going is definitely

promised. It will be denied, only if Moon is a primary significators

of totally negative houses 2, 8, 11 and 4, 6 in the steps 3 and 4,

without any primary significator of 3, 9, 12 and 5, 7. Moreover,

since Moon is a primary significaotrs of 11 in the step 1 and most

importantly 6 and 11 in the step 3, it is possible for getting a

monetary gain to ‘some extent’ through foreign visit during the

jointly favorable DBA for getting money, even though a primary

signification of 1, 2, two main houses for getting money, is missing.

>

> VI. CHOICE OF DBA

>

> 29. The DBA lords are to be judged by the same above approach for

an event to fructify.

> The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly the

primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for

marriage). Suppose the Dasa lord is the primary significatotr of

the house 2 and the Bhukti lord is a primary significator of the

house 5 or 11, then the Antara lord should be the primary

significator of the remaining house 7 to complete the chain of DBA

for the event to materialize. The 3 houses must be found in the DBA

lords. The event will not materialize, if there are only primary

significators of totally adverse or negative houses in the steps 3

and 4 of the DBA lords. . In the second example of the R3, Moon may

not be chosen for the Bhukti in the DBA chain for marriage because

Rahu is a primary significator of totally negative houses 1 and 12

for marriage in the 4th step of Moon. However, if the star-lord of

Rahu, Ketu is taken into consideration, Ketu is in 6 and its sign-

lord Mercury is in 10 and lord of 10, 7. This

> 7th is supposed to help in taking the Moon Bhukti in the DBA

chain. In the example of the R10, the Bhukti lord Jupiter may not

be taken in the DBA chain for child birth because Jupiter is the only

primary significators of totally negative houses 4, 8, 10 in the 4th

step without any primary significators of 2, 5, 11 and 9 in the

steps 3 and 4. Moreover, if the 8th ( 12 to supporting 9) is

considered as a negative house for child birth (which is not clearly

known), the Dasa lord Mars and Antara lord Moon may not be taken in

the DBA chain for child birth because both Mars and Moon are the

primary significators of 8th only in both steps 3 and 4. (R 1,

pages 31-32, 39, 41-42, 75-76; R2-Part5; R 3, R8, Msg#13265, #13469)

>

> 30. In fixing the Dasa, if sometimes there may not be any

‘primary significator’ of required houses in any of the 4 steps,

then its ‘secondary significator’ in any step can be taken into

consideration as the Dasa period is too long. But for the Bhukti and

Antara, a primary significator is needed in any step for the event to

take place. (Msg #14357, #14381, #14393) In fact, the DBA chain can

not be complete, if the Dasa lord is not a primary significator of at

least one of the required houses. If the running dasa does not

signify any of the required houses (2, 7, 11 for marriage), this dasa

is left and the next dasa, which signifies any of the required

houses, is chosen to make the DBA chain (2, 7, 11 for marriage)

complete (Msg#13469, #13882)

>

> 31. In choosing the fruitful Antara out of many primary

significators of the required houses, the priority is given to the

earliest Antara, at the time of question, if the Lagna is in a

movable sign; the next Antara, if the Lagna is in a fixed sign; and

the following Antara of the last priority, if the Lagna is in a

common sign; if it is still doubtful, Rahu/Ketu Antara can be chosen,

as the nodes are stronger than the planets. Another practical way is

to choose the Antara, of which lord signifies the required houses in

the steps 3 and 4 other than the signification in the steps 1 and 2

as the primary significators in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more

important or stronger’. When a main house of the required houses (2

for marriage) is primarily signified by a planet only, a primary

significator of a supportive house (5 or 8 for marriage) can be

chosen to make the DBA chain complete as the supportive houses are

supposed to give the results of the main

> houses in certain cases. If there is not any planet, which is a

primary significator of the required houses, the sub-lord of a cusp

under consideration (4th in buying a house) can be taken into

consideration with giving preference to the cusp sub-lord, which is

also a primary significator of the required houses (4, 11, 1 in

buying a house). (R 1, pages 37-38, 46-47, 68, 80, Msg#13680)

>

> 32. In the example chart 1, a monetary gain through foreign visit

can be expected during the DBA chain jointly signifying 3, 9, 12 and

5, 7 along with 1, 2, 6, 11. A lot of combination of DBA is generally

possible according to the very wide range of primary significators as

summarized below and the details are provided in the Appendix. The

primary significators of 1, 2 houses in the steps 3 and 4 are

preferable for a monetary gain.

>

> 1) Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

> 2) Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

> 3) Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

> 4) Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

>

> 33. On the contrary to the example chart 1, in the attached example

chart 2, the DBA chain can not be complete for such major events of

finishing engineering, paper marriage and leaving for USA due to a

‘very limited’ number of primary significators, which are also

the same for some planets.

>

> 34. In the example chart 1, the Sa-Ra-Me DBA at the time of planned

foreign visit is easily found to be a complete chain of BDA for a

monetary gain through foreign visit, as shown under.

>

> 1) Dasa lord Saturn primarily signifies 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11 in

the steps 1 and 2; and 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11 in the steps 3 and 4.

> 2) Bhukti lord Rahu primarily signifies 3, 5, 12, 7, 9 and 6, 11 in

the steps 1 and 2; and 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11 in the steps 3 and 4.

> 3) Antara lord Mercury primarily signifies 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2,

11, 1, 6 in the steps 1 and 2; and 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6 in

the steps 3 and 4.

>

> VII. TRANSIT

>

> 35. A near timing of event can be fixed by the transits of the

DBA lords. Here it is to check the star-lord of the fast moving

planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) and the sub-lord of the slow

moving planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu) in the first 2 steps

only, without taking consideration of more important steps 3 and 4.

The event will fructify, if these star-lord and sub-lord are the

primary significators of any or more of the required houses (2, 7, 11

and 5, 8 for marriage) in the first 2 steps, without taking into

consideration of negative houses . The transit will not favor the

event to take place, if there are the primary significators of the

totally negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) only. The event will

not materialize while the star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA

lords are transiting, is in retrograde. In such a case, the next

transit is to be considered. The event will not fructify unless the

transits of DBA are favorable

> even when the DBA lords are fruitful. (R1, pages 49, 52-54, 71-

72,76-77; R2-Part 5, R3)

>

> 36. For the example chart 1, around the planned timing of foreign

visit, Nov - Dec 2007:

>

> 1) Dasa lord Saturn (slow moving planet) will be transiting in the

Mercury ‘sub’ till 9-11-2007, and then in the Venus sub.

> 2) Bhukti lord Rahu (slow moving planet) will be transiting in the

Jupiter ‘sub’ till 20-11-2007, in the Rahu sub till 27-12-2007

and then in the Moon sub.

> 3) Antara lord Mercury (fast moving planet) will be transiting in

the ‘star’ of Mars till 11-11-2007, then in Rahu star till 20-11-

2007, Jupiter till 29-11-2007, Saturn till 8-12-2007, Mercury till

16-12-2007, Ketu till 24-12-2007, Venus till 02-01-2008.

> 4) No star-lord or sub-lord will be in ‘retrograde’ to negate

the results of DBA. If any star-lord or sub-lord is in retrograde,

the event can not be materialized during such period of transit, and

it will require towait for the next transit.

>

> 37. The primary significators of the above star-lords and sub-lords

in the first 2 steps (1 and 2) are as given under.

>

> 1) Ketu: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7and 11

> 2) Venus: 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11

> 3) Moon: 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 and 11

> 4) Mars: 5, 12 and 6

> 5) Rahu: 3, 5, 12, 9 and 11, 6

> 6) Jupiter: 3, 12, 7, 9, 5 and 11, 6

> 7) Saturn: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11

> 8) Mercury: 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6

>

> 38. Since every star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA lords will

be transiting, primarily signifies one or more of the required

houses, the transit agrees with the DBA. The most beneficial time for

a monetary gain through foreign visit is expected, firstly from 9-12-

2007 to 16-12-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the

Venus sub, Bhukti lord Rahu in its own Rahu sub and Antara lord

Mercury in its own Mercury star, and secondly from 25-12-2007 to 02-

01-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the Venus sub,

Bhukti lord Rahu in Rahu/Moon sub and Antara lord Mercury in Venus

star.

>

> VIII. RETROGRESSION

>

> 39. The retrogression is not applied in the horary and natal

prediction. It is used ‘only’ in considering the transits of DBA

lords for the event to take place. The transiting DBA lords should

not be in the relevant sub and star of retrograde planets for an

event to materialize.. (R1, pages 54, 75, Msg#13296, Messages in

the other group)

>

> X. URANUS, NEPTUNE AND PLUTO

>

> 41. Uranus giving sudden, unexpected results, Neptune deceit and

Pluto explosive results are also taken into consideration. It is

supposed to avoid many mistakes by taking into consideration of the

effects of these planets in KP. In an example chart for a match, Mars

aspecting Pluto within the 3d:20m orb has to give the result of

Pluto, unexpectedly loosing the match, reversing Mars’ own primary

signification of 1, 6. (R1, page 63-64, Msg#13387) In an example

chart of child birth in the R6, although the star-lord of the 5th

cusp sub-lord’s sub-lord Jupiter, a primary significator, is in the

‘odd’ sign, the first child was a girl due to Jupiter’s

conjunction with Neptune in retrograde, giving a negative result. For

the sex of the 2nd child, there was no effect of Jupiter’s

conjunction with Neptune because Jupiter is not a primary

significator in this case. The star-lord of the 7 th cusp sub-lord is

Mars, and it is in conjunction with Pluto

> and aspects the 6 and 10 houses within the prescribed orb,

indicating illness and caesarian, negative to the desired normal

delivery. These write ups and the chart of the given birth details do

not tally in the article (R6). Neptune in 7th is also supposed to

deny marriage, which is promised by the standard approach.

(Msg#14051) However, the negative affects of Neptune and Pluto are

not conclusive. (Msg#14075, #14106, #14157) Pluto the planet is

dead. (Msg#9423, #9680) Moreover, to make or break a rule, a study or

one’s experience of ‘at least’ 100 cases with around 70-75%

favorable results may be required.

>

>

>

>

> IX. HOUSE GROUPING

> 40. The available house grouping is given below.

>

>

>

>

>

> S

> N

>

> Event

>

> C

> P

>

> Houses to be

> signified

>

> Remark and Reference

>

>

> 1

>

> Purchase of

> house

>

> 4

>

> 4,11,12

>

> 9,6 supportive for getting loan; 8= delay, difficulties; One

can’t have his own house if 4th Sbl is Ra/Ke. (R1, pages 77-80)

>

>

> 2

>

> Child birth

>

> 5

>

> 2,5,11 & supportive 9

> (if connected Ke & barren Sign<Ar,Ge,

> Le & Vi> a possibility of abortion)

>

> For female 5th for 1st child, 7th for 2nd etc; for male to consider

‘5th for all children’. If plt of 5th Sbl at 4th step (Stl of 5th

Sbl’s Stl) is in ‘odd’ sign, ‘male’child; in even sign,

female child; 1,4,10 are negative houses. (R1, p 43, 45, 47; R10,

Msg#14148)

>

>

> 3

>

> Caesarian

> birth

>

> 5

>

> Connected to

> Mars & 8th

>

> Also when DBA lords connected to Mars, (R1, page 47; R6)

>

>

> 4

>

> Profit in

> buying shares

>

> 5

>

> 2,6,11 & supportive

> 1,3,10

>

> To apply horary only; short term investment, less than 1yr;

5,8,12=no profit; selling when 2,6 are strong. For long term

investment to check 12th cusp sub-lord.

> 1,2= benefit in short/long term; (R5, Msg#13571 & others)

>

>

> 5

>

> Stock market

> movement

>

> 5

>

> 1,2,3,6,10,11

> (good prospect)

>

> Also dasa ending at market hr. 7th indicates a slide down. Jupiter

& Mercury transit by

> considering in all 4 steps and effects of Saturn, Rahu, Mars &

retrograde etc (Messages in the other group)

>

>

> 6

>

> Win a match

>

> 6

>

> 6,10,11 & 1,2,3

>

>

>

> If answer is doubtful, consider 11th; also 12th & 5th for opponent,

for whom 5,7,9,12 are favorable; 8,9,12 = tough fight; Also to judge

Moon’s star at starting time of

> match by all 4 steps; For other nations without India, 6 & 11 from

9th to be considered; 6,11,10= clear cut victory; no signify-cation

of them indicates loss; DBA

> is not applied for one day match.

> (R1, p 60-61, Msg#13084, #14859

> Messages in the other group)

>

>

> 7

>

> Marriage

>

> 7

>

> 2,7,11 & 5,8

>

> 1,6,10,12 are negative houses; in some cases 4 also is negative.

> (R1, pages 32,37, 41; R7; R9)

>

>

> 8

>

> Divorce

>

> 7

>

> 1,6,12

>

> Multi-marriage: 7th Sbl in dual sign and Sbls of 6th & 7th are the

same. (R1, pp 37-38)

>

>

> 9

>

> Marriage and

> Divorce

>

> D BA

>

> 2,7,11 &

> also 1,4,6,12

>

> If DBA lords primarily signify 2,7,11 & also 1,4,6,12 (R1, Page 37,

Msg#14096)

>

>

> 10

>

> Sale of house

>

> 10

>

> 10,5,6 & 3,9

>

> (R1, page 73)

>

>

> 11

>

> Change in job

>

> 10

>

> 3,5,9

>

> 3 & 12 = leave a job secured;

> (R1, pages 51-52, 55, 57)

>

>

> 12

>

> Get a new

> job

>

> 10

>

> 2,6,10 &

> 1,11

>

> Favorable houses to get a new job:2,11 & 1; 8= supportive/favorable/

also hurdles;

> (R1,p 49,51-52,57-59; R8)

>

>

> 13

>

> Going abroad

>

> 12

>

> 3,9,12 & 5,7

>

> With 10 for job; 6= unfavorable

> house; (R1, 65-67,71-72)

>

>

> 14

>

> Death

>

>

>

> Maraka(2,7),

> Badhaka, 12

>

> (R1, pages 88-89, 92)

>

> XI. OBSERVATION

>

> 42. Once the primary significators are ready in hand, the

prediction is theoretically easy by choosing the DBA chain and

checking transit. However, practically it may not be so as per a

review of events below.

>

> HOUSES SIGNIFIED BY THE DBA CHAIN AND TRANSIT AGREEMENT

>

>

>

>

>

> S

>

> Chart

>

> Event

>

> Dasa

>

> Bhukti

>

> Antara

>

> T

>

> Remark

>

>

> 1

>

> Example

> Chart 1

> (attached)

>

> 1st job

>

> 6,10,11*

>

> 6,10,11

>

> 6,10,

> 11*

>

> A

>

> No 2

> * = same plt

> A= transit

> agrees DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Marriage

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8

>

> A

>

> No 2

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Son born

>

> 5,11,9

>

> 5,11,9

>

> 2,5,11,

> 9

>

> A

>

> Complete

> DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Last foreign

> visit

>

> 3,9,12,

> 5,7*

>

> 3,9,12,

> 5,7

>

> 3,9,12,

> 5,7*

>

> A

>

> Complete

> DBA chain

>

>

> 2

>

> Example

> Chart 2

> (attached)

>

> Eng degree

>

> 9*

>

> 9

>

> 9*

>

> A

>

> No 4 or 11

> A= transit

> agrees DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st job

>

> 2

>

> 2,10*

>

> 2,10*

>

> A

>

> No 6 or 11

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Paper marriage

>

> 2

>

> 2

>

> 2

>

> N

>

> No 7,11 or 5,8

> N= transit does not agree

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Got a job

>

> 2

>

> 2,10,1

>

> 2,6

>

> A

>

> Complete

> DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Left for US

>

> 9

>

> 3,9

>

> 9

>

> N

>

> No 12 or 5,7

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Divorce

>

> No 1,4,

> 6,10,12

>

> 6,4

>

> 6,10,4

>

> N

>

> DBA chain not complete

>

>

> 3

>

> Example

> Chart

> Msg#14774

>

> Marriage

>

> 8

>

> 7,11,5

>

> 7

>

> N

>

> No 2,7,11

> in Dasa

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Divorce

>

> 10,12

>

> 1,4

>

> 10,12

>

> N

>

> No 6

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Death of 2nd husband

>

> 3,8,10

>

> 3,8

>

> 3,1

>

> A

>

> Complete

> chain (3,8,10, 1 or 3,8,10

> as per 2nd or 9th for 2nd husband)

>

>

> 4

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LVII, 2nd Example

>

> Marriage

>

> 2

>

> 2,5,8

>

> 2,7,5,

> 8

>

>

> N

>

> No 11

>

>

>

>

>

> (from KP Reader

> IV, p 192)

>

> Divorce

> sectioned

>

> 1*

>

> 10,12,1

>

> 1*

>

> N

>

> No 6 or 4

> * = same planet

>

>

> 5

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LVIII, 1st Example

>

> 1st job

>

> 2,6,10,

> 1,11*

>

> 2,6,10,

> 1,11*

>

> 10,1

>

> A

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,7,11

>

> 2,7,11*

>

> 2,7,11*

>

> N

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

> 6

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LVIII, 2nd Example

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,7,8

>

> 2,7,8

>

> 2,8

>

> N

>

> No 11 or 5

> N= transit not agree DBA

>

>

> 7

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LIX, 1st Example

>

> 1st job

>

> 2,11

>

> 6,11,1

>

> 10,11

>

> A

>

> Complete

> DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Promotion

>

> 6,11,1*

>

> 6,11,1*

>

> 6,11,1

>

> A

>

> No 2, 10

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,11,8

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8*

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8*

>

> A

>

> Complete

> DBA chain

>

>

> 8

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LIX, 2nd Example

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,7,5,

> 8*

>

> 2,7,5,

> 8*

>

> 2,7,5,

> 8*

>

> A

>

> No 11

> * = same planet

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st child

>

> 2,5*

>

> 2,5*

>

> 2,5,11

>

> A

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 2nd child

>

> 2,5

>

> 2,5,9*

>

> 2,5,9*

>

> A

>

> No 7 or 11

>

>

> 9

>

> Sub Lord

> Speaks LIX, 3rd Example

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,7,5,8

>

> 2*

>

> 2*

>

> N

>

> No 11

> * = same planet

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st job

>

> 2,10,

> 11,1*

>

> 2,10,

> 11,1*

>

> 2,10,

> 11,1*

>

>

>

> No 6

>

>

> 10

>

> Guruji KSK Demon-

> stration

> Example

>

> Father’s

> death

>

> 7,8

>

> 7

> (Badk)

>

> 7,8

>

> A

>

> No 10 or 3

> (Maraka)

> A= transit agrees DBA

>

>

>

>

> (KP Reader III, p 139 or

>

> Mother’s

> death

>

> 5

>

> 5

>

> 5,3

>

> N

>

> No 12

> (Badhaka)

>

>

>

>

> 146/ Reader

> V, p 139/

>

> Child’s

> death

>

> 4,6,11

>

> 4,6,11

>

> No 4,6,

> 11(Bdk)

>

>

>

> DBA chain

> not complete

>

>

>

>

> Reader VI,

>

> Marriage

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8*

>

> 7,11,5

>

> 7,11,5,

> 8*

>

> N

>

> No 2

>

>

>

>

> p 83/ DOB 29-1-1928)

>

> 1st job

>

> 2,6,1

>

> 6,11

>

> Neg. 5

> in 4th step

>

> A

>

> DBA chain

> not complete

> No 10

>

>

> 11

>

> Guruji KSK

>

> 1st job

>

> 1

>

> 10,1

>

> 2,1

>

> N

>

> No 6

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 2nd son

> born

>

> Neg. 1

> in 4th

> step

>

>

> 5,9

>

> Neg. 1

> in 4th

> step

>

> N

>

> DBA chain not complete

> No 2, 11

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 3rd son

> born

>

> Neg. 1

> in 4th

> step

>

> 5,9

>

> Neg. 1

> in 4th

> step

>

> N

>

> DBA chain not complete

> No 2, 11

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Retired

>

> 12

>

> 5,9*

>

> 5,9*

>

> A

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st issue of

> Astrology & Athrishta

>

> ---

>

> ---

>

> ---

>

> N

>

> No 3,10,11 in DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st Edition

> of KP 2 Vol

>

> ---

>

> ---

>

> ---

>

> N

>

> No 3,10,11 in DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit to

> Malaysia

>

> 12,7

>

> 7

>

> 9

>

> A

>

> No 3

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit to

> Sri Lanka

>

> 12,7

>

> 7

>

> 3,9,12,

>

>

> A

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Death

>

> 2,7,12

>

> 7*

>

> 7*

>

> N

>

> Complete (No Bdk 11)

>

>

> 12

>

> Dr. BV Raman

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,7,11,

> 5

>

> 7,5

>

> 7,5,8

>

> N

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st son

> born

>

> Neg.10

> in 4th step

>

> No 2,5,

> 11,9

>

> 5

>

> N

>

> DBA chain not complete

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 2nd son

> born

>

> 2,5,11,

> 9

>

> Neg. 10

> in 4th step

>

> 5

>

> N

>

> DBA chain not complete

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st US visit

>

> 7

>

> 7,5

>

> 3,9,12,

> 7,5

>

> N

>

> N= transit not agree DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 2nd US visit

>

> 7

>

> 3,9,12,

> 7,5

>

> 7,5

>

> A

>

> A= transit

> agrees DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 3rd US visit

>

> 7

>

> 3,9,12,

> 7,5

>

> 7,5

>

> N

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 4th US visit

>

> 7,5*

>

> 7,5*

>

> 7,5*

>

> A

>

> No 3,9,12

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 5th US visit

>

> 7,5

>

> 3,9,12

>

> 7

>

> A

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 6th US visit

>

> 7,5

>

> 9,7,5

>

> 7

>

> N

>

> No 3,12

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Death

>

> 7*

>

> 7*

>

> 7

>

> A

>

> No Badhaka (9) & 12

>

>

> 13

>

> Albert

> Einstein

>

> 1st job

>

> 10,11,1

>

> 10

>

> 10,6,1

>

> A

>

> Complete chain (No 2)

>

>

>

>

> (AA chart)

>

> Marriage

>

> 11,5,8

>

> 11,5,8*

>

> 11,5,8*

>

> A

>

> No 7

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Got PhD

>

> 11,4

>

> 9,11*

>

> 9,11*

>

> N

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Divorce

>

> 1,4,10,

> 12

>

> 1,6,10,

> 12

>

> 1,4,10,

> 12

>

> N

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 2nd marriage

>

> 11,5,8

>

> 5

>

> 11,5,8

>

> A

>

> No 7, 2 or 9

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Moved to US

>

> 12

>

> 9,7

>

> 12,5

>

> A

>

> Complete chain (No 3)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Death

>

> 12

>

> 12

>

> 12

>

> A

>

> No Maraka,

> Badaka (7th)

>

>

> 14

>

> George W.

> Bush

> (AA chart)

>

> Marriage

>

> 2,11

>

> Neg. 1 only in

> all 4 steps

>

> Neg.

> 1,4 in 4th

> step

>

> N

>

> DBA chain

> not complete

> N= transit not agree DBA

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Twin

> daughters

> born

>

> 2,11

>

> 2

>

> Neg.

> 1,4 in 4th

> step

>

> A

>

> DBA chain

> not complete

> No 5

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 1st time

> president

>

> 10

>

> 2,6,10,

> 11,1*

>

> 2,6,10,

> 11,1*

>

> N

>

> Complete DBA chain

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Reelected

> for 2nd term

>

> 10

>

> 10

>

> 1

>

> A

>

> DBA chain

> not complete

>

> REFERENCES

>

> 1. Sunil Gondhalekar: Advance Theory of KP, Four Step Theory

> 2. A.R. Raichur: “4 Step Method ��" Part 1 to 5â€, in the

February to June-2007 issues of the KP E-Zine

> 3. A.R. Raichur: “4 STEP†(essentials of 4 step method),

Msg#5333, also in the File Section of this KP Group

> 4. A.R. Raichur: “Marriage girlâ€, DOB 25-7-1982 (4 step

example) in the File Section of the KP Group

> 5. A.R. Raichur: “Shares†(English Translation of Sunil

Gondhalekar’s article, “Will it be Profitable to Buy Shares of

IFCI Companyâ€, which appeared in the February-2007 issue of the

Nakshatrache Dene), in the File Section of the KP Group

> 6. Bane Anna: “Cannot Avoid Caesarianâ€, English Translation

English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the KP

E-Zine, which appeared in the May-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache Dene

> 7. S.S. Hiremath-Kalhapur: “Unmarried (Unfavoured Sub)â€,

English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the KP

E-Zine, which appeared in the June-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache

Dene)

> 8. Dr. Madhukar Konarde: “Will I Get a Job on Compassionate

Groundsâ€, English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the August-2007

issue of the KP E-Zine, which appeared in the July-2007 issue of the

Nakshatrache Dene

> 9. Sunil Gondhalekar: “Marriage when?,†English Translation in

the link below, which appeared in the July-2006 issue of the

Nakshatrache Dene

> http://www.astrouser.com/article_display.php?id=69

> 10. Ganeshaya Namaha: “KP Traditional vs. 4 Step ��" A

Comparative Analysisâ€, in the March-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine

> 11. Messages to learn the Four Step Theory compiled in Msg#14851

and other Messages in this KP Group

> 12. Sri K.M. Subramaniam: SUBLORD SPEAKS ��" LVII, LVIII and LIX

>

> APPENDIX

>

> 1. Life Example Chart 1 (Msg#14787)

>

> 1.1. Basic Data

>

> Hardeep ji, 28-02-1958, 17-20 PM, Ramgarh, Near Ranchi, Bihar,

23N38, 85E31,

> New KPA 23-10-58, Mars Dasa Bal 0Y-7M-16D

>

> Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl-Stl-Sbl- H

> 09th Ar 08-00 Mar-Ket-Jup Ke* Ar 11-06 Mar-Ket-Sat-9

> 10th Ta 09-41 Ven-Sun-Ven Mo+ Ge 05-28 Mer-Mar-Sun-10

> 11th Ge 10-54 Mer-Rah-Sat

> 12th Cn 11-08 Mo-Sat-Moo

> 01st Le 10-15 Sun-Ket-Sat

> 02nd Vi 07-36 Mer-Sun-Ket

> 03rd Li 08-00 Ven-Rah-Rah Ju+R Li 08-13 Ven-Rah-Ra-3 Rah* Li 11-

06 Ven-Rah-Sat-3

> 04th- Sc 09-41 Mar-Sat-Ven Fort Sc 29-30

Mar-Mer-Sat-4 Sa+ Sg 01-30 Jup-Ket-Ven-4

> 05th Sg 10-54 Jup-Ket-Sat Mar Sg

24-35 Jup-Ven-Mer-5 Ven Cp 09-27 Sat-Sun-Ven-5

> 06th Cp 11-08 Sat-Moo-Mar

> 07th Aq 10-15 Sat-Rah-Jup Me+ Aq 13-19 Sat-Rah-Mer-7 Sun

Aq 16-13 Sat-Rah-Ven-7

> 08th Pi 07-36 Jup-Sat-Ket

>

> + no planet in its star

> * in its own star

>

>

> 1.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

>

> 1) 10-09-1988 (Ju-Mo-Ju-Ra) came in govt job as lecturer

> 2) 27-10-1991 (Ju-Ra-Ke-Ve) married

> 3) 14-09-1992 (Ju-Ra-Ma-Ju) birth of a son

> 4) 29-05-2007 to 05-07-2007 (Sa-Ra-Sa-Ve to Sa-Ra-Sa-Mo) last time

foreign visit

> 5) Nov to end of Dec 2007 (Sa-Ra-Me-Mo to Sa-Ra-Me-Ju) planning to

go abroad

>

> Sa Dasa: 17-10-1992 to 17-10-2011

> Sa-Ra: 28-05-2006 to 02-04-2009

> Sa-Ju: 03-04-2009 to 17-10-2011

> Me Dasa: 18-10-2011 to 17-10-2028

>

> 1.3. QUESTIONS

>

> Will I gain through foreign visits? if yes, then what would be

possible time?

> Now I am planning to go abroad in Nov to end of December this year,

will I gain monetarily?

> Do you see any change in my professional status?

>

> 1.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

>

> Empty houses: 1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12

>

> Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Me, Ju, Sa

>

> Planets in own stars (*): Ra, Ke

>

> Me conj 7

> Ju conj 3

> Ve conj 6

> Ra conj 3

> Ke conj 9

>

> Su conj

Me

Ra conj Ju

>

> Mo is aspected by

Ju Ke is aspected

by Ju

>

> Me aspects 1

> Ju aspects 7, 9, 11

> Ve aspects 12

> Ra aspects 9

> Ke aspects 3

>

> Planet Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10, 12], Asp 7,

Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> Starlord of Ke is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10,

12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> Sublord of Ke is Sa+: 4; 6

> Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10,

12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

>

> Planet Ve: Cnj 6

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

> Sublord of Ve is Ve: Cnj 6

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

>

> Planet Su:

> Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 6

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7- 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

>

> Planet Mo+: 10-12; Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3)

> Starlord of Mo is Ma: 5

> Sublord of Mo is Su:

> Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

>

> Planet Ma:

> Starlord of Ma is Ve: 5; Asp 12; Cnj 6

> Sublord of Ma is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

>

> Planet Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12],

Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Sublord of Ra is Sa+: 4; 6

> Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-12],

Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

>

> Planet Ju+: 3-8; Asp Mo(10-12); Asp 7; Asp 9; Asp 11; Cnj 3

> Starlord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Sublord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

>

> Planet Sa+: 4; 6

> Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10-12],

Asp 7,

> Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> Sublord of Sa is Ve: Cnj 6

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7-2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

>

> Planet Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> Sublord of Me is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp

Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

>

> 1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

>

> This is a very wide rage of primary significators generally

indicating the events in the various combination of DBA chain.

> Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

> Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

> Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

> Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

>

> 2. Life Example Chart 2 (Msg#14710/14777) 2.1. BASIC DATA

>

> Khushdev Singla, 03-07-1977, 00:05 AM, Chandigarh (UT), 30N42,

76E48,

> New KP Ayanamsa 23-27-10, Sun Dasa Bal 0Y-0M-0D

>

> Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl--Stl-Sbl- -H

> 02nd Ar 21-59 Mar-Ven-Sat Mar Ar 26-02 Mar-Ven-Ket-2

Venu Ta 02-28 Ven-Sun-Jup-2

> 03rd Ta 18-57 Ven-Mon-Mer Jup Ta 26-43 Ven-Mar-Jup-3

> 04th Ge 12-16 Mer-Rah-Sat Sun Ge 17-17 Mer-Rah-Ven-

4 Mer Ge 20-38 Mer-Jup--Jup-4

> 05th Cn 06-24 Moo-Sat-Mer Sa+ Cn 21-50 Moo-Mer-Sun-5

> 06th Le 05-58 Sun-Ket-Rah

> 07th Vi 15-40 Mer-Moo-Sat Rah Vi 26-45 Mer-Mar-Jup-7

> 08th Li 21-59 Ven-Jup-Sat For Li 08-23 Ven-Rah-

Rah-8

> 09th Sc 18-57 Mar-Mer-Ket

> 10th Sg 12-16 Jup-Ket-Mer

> 11th Cp 06-24 Sat-Sun-Mer Mo+Cp 10-00 Sat-Sun-Ven-11

> 12th Aq 05-58 Sat-Mar-Moo

> 01st Pi 15-40 Jup-Sat-Jup Ket+ Pi 26-45 Jup-

Mer-Jup-1

> + no planet in its star

>

> 2.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

>

> 1) Ra-Ra-Sa: July 1995, got admission in very reputed eng college

> 2) Ra-Ju-Ra: June1999, managed to clear engineering with much

difficulty

> 3) Ra-Sa to Ra-Me-Me: appeared in IAS 3 times till July 2002 but

couldn't clear it

> 4) Ra-Me-Me: august 2002 to DEC 2003, worked in an IAS coaching

institute in partnership with his teacher

> 5) Ra-Me-Ra: Dec 2003, his partner cheated with him and had to opt

out of this institute

> 6) Ra-Me-Ju: from Dec 2003 to April 2004, under huge depression,

was idle and sitting in home

> 7) Ra-Me-Ra to Ra-Me-Ju: April 2004, got a (paper) marriage

proposal from a daughter of IAS officer who was doing masters in

Canada

> 8) Ra-Ke-Ve: February 2005, got a marriage proposal from another

girl from Canada

> 9) Ra-Ke-Ve: march 2005, got the job in Airtel and worked there

till august 2005

> 10) Ra-Ke-Ju: august 15th 2005, left for USA and joined college in

august 2005, however couldn't study there, stayed in USA for 18

months and couldn't study at all

> 11) Ra-Ve-Su: august 30th 2006, got divorce from the first girl

> 12) Ra-Ve-Ma: January 2007, decided to come back to India, the

second girl didn't like this and broke off from the native

>

> Till today the native is on high dose of Anti depression drugs. At

present he is doing job in Airtel again with salary of only Rs10000/.

>

> DASA

>

> Ra: 03-07-1994 to 03-07-2012

>

> Ra-Ra: 03-07-1994 to 14-03-1997

> Ra-Ju: 15-03-1997 to 08-08-1999

> Ra-Sa: 09-08-1999 to 14-06-2002

> Ra-Me:15-06-2002 to 31-12-2004

> Ra-Ke: 01-01-2005 to 20-01-2006

> Ra-Ve: 21-01-2006 to 20-01-2009

> Ra-Su: 21-01-2009 to 14-12-2009

> Ra-Mo: 15-12-2009 to 14-06-2011

> Ra-Ma: 15-06-2011 to 03-07-2012

>

> Ju: 04-07-2012 to 03-07-2028

>

> 2.3. QUESTIONS

>

> What do you see in future for my career?

> When will I get married?

> How will be my financial status?

>

> 2.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

>

> Empty houses: 6, 8, 9, 10, 12

>

> Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa, Ke

>

> Planets in own stars (*): Nil

>

> Ra is aspected by Ju

>

> Sa aspects 2

>

> Planet Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)

> Starlord of Ke is Me: 4

> Sublord of Ke is Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

>

> Planet Ve:

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

> Sublord of Ve is Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

>

> Planet Su:

> Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)

> Sublord of Su is Ve:

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

>

> Planet Mo+: 11

> Starlord of Mo is Su: 4-6

> Sublord of Mo is Ve:

> Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

>

>

> Planet Ma:

> Starlord of Ma is Ve: 2-8

> Sublord of Ma is Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)

> Starlord of Ke is Me: 4

>

>

> Planet Ra:

> Starlord of Ra is Ma: 2-9

> Sublord of Ra is Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

>

> Planet Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> Sublord of Ju is Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

>

> Planet Sa+: 5-12; Asp 2

> Starlord of Sa is Me: 4

> Sublord of Sa is Su:

> Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)

>

>

> Planet Me:

> Starlord of Me is Ju: 3-10

> Sublord of Me is Ju:

> Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

>

> 1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

> Here is a very limited number of primary significators providing

the insufficient indication for events. Both the current running Rahu

Dasa lord and the next coming Jupiter Dasa lord are primarily

signifying the same 2-9 houses only, indicating the same results for

the both Dasa periods.

>

> R.Dhanabalan

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Ramesh <ram_t_1968 wrote:

>

> Ramesh <ram_t_1968

> Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as

representatives of other significators

>

> Cc: sunilalaka

> Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 4:50 AM

>

I am still confused on how to use Rahu and Ketu for predictions.

>

> Amma Saranam!

>

> Regards

> Ramesh

> http://www.amma. org

>

> "I am working on identifying a parcel of land for a Dutch investor

in Bangalore"

>

>

>

>

>

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 10:47:15 AM

> Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as

representatives of other significators

>

>

>

>

> dear dhanabalan,

> pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

> DearKanak Bosmia,

> I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar' s effort for the 4 step

theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give

prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the

conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was

omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator

for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for

k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I

am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve

the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory.. I request all

the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

>

> Thank you

> R.Dhanabalan

>

> dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's

star.

> 4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide

me?

> can you clarify?

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

>

>

> On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dear Ramkumar

> 1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted

the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

> 2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas

Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord

saturn.

> 3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given.

So we cannot assume anything as we like.

> 4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of

the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) .

Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4.

Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

> Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as

ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

> 5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always

stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger

(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this

condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an

occupant.

> 6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated

by Mr.KSK.. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate

all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by

somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with

Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

>

> Thank youR.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>

> Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators

> r.dhanabalan@

> Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

>

>

> 

> Dear Sir,

>

>

> I have a doubt please calrify.

>

>

> 3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star.

Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

signify strongly the first house.

>

>

>

>

> In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the

cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

>

> I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

>

> Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in

the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

>

> Transfer".

>

> I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a

significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where

the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

>

> Please clarify Sir.

>

> *(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the

planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not

manifest.)

>

> I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is

occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not

give the results of the sign occupied by B.

>

> Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

>

> I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much

from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

>

> How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of

arriving the significators.

>

> When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is

predictive intelligence.

>

> Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

>

> It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with

you.

>

> Can you please give me your address and phone number.

>

> I respect you Sir.

>

> I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in

groups because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have

understood.I fear!!!

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Ramkumar.

>

> --- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

>

>

>

 

> Dear Antariksh

>

>

>

> I am giving my view in step by step

>

>

> 1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets

in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond

that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In

k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since

the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering

those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

>

> 2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So

ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime

significator.

>

> 3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star.

Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

signify strongly the first house.

>

> 4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5

strongly.

>

> 5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a

prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu

signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

>

> 6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu.

Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp

11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

>

> 7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

>

> 8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime

significator.

>

>

>

> In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not

signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

>

>

>

> R.Dhanabalan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

>

> Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

> Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other

significators

> @gro ups.com

>

> Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

>

>

>

>

> Dear All -

>

> I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

other significators. Take the following example -

Planet

>

>

>

> Longitude

>

>

>

> Star

>

>

>

> Pada

>

>

>

> KP Pointer

>

>

>

> House

>

>

>

>

> Sun

>

>

>

> 10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

>

>

>

> Pushya

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

>

>

>

> 4

>

>

>

>

> Mercury

>

>

>

> 6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

>

>

>

> Pushya

>

>

>

> 1

>

>

>

> Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

>

>

>

> 4

>

>

>

>

> Venus

>

>

>

> 23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

>

>

>

> Aslesha

>

>

>

> 2

>

>

>

> Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

>

>

>

> 4

>

>

>

>

> Moon

>

>

>

> 22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

>

>

>

> Bharani

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

>

>

>

> 1

>

>

>

>

> Mars

>

>

>

> 21° Le 17' 39.8286"

>

>

>

> Poorva Phalguni

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

>

>

>

> 5

>

>

>

>

> Jupiter (Retro.)

>

>

>

> 21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

>

>

>

> Poorvashada

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

>

>

>

> 9

>

>

>

>

> Saturn

>

>

>

> 13° Le 15' 22.763"

>

>

>

> Makha

>

>

>

> 4

>

>

>

> Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

>

>

>

> 5

>

>

>

>

> Uranus (Retro.)

>

>

>

> 28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

>

>

>

> Poorva Bhadra

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

>

>

>

> 11

>

>

>

>

> Neptune (Retro.)

>

>

>

> 29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

>

>

>

> Dhanishta

>

>

>

> 2

>

>

>

> Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

>

>

>

> 11

>

>

>

>

> Pluto (Retro.)

>

>

>

> 5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

>

>

>

> Moola

>

>

>

> 2

>

>

>

> Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

>

>

>

> 8

>

>

>

>

> Rahu

>

>

>

> 25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

>

>

>

> Dhanishta

>

>

>

> 1

>

>

>

> Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

>

>

>

> 10

>

>

>

>

> Ketu

>

>

>

> 25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

>

>

>

> Aslesha

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

>

>

>

> 4

>

>

>

>

> Lagna

>

>

>

> 9° Ar 20' 0.36"

>

>

>

> Aswini

>

>

>

> 3

>

>

>

> Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

>

>

>

> 1

>

>

Cusps

>

>

>

> Longitude

>

>

>

> Star

>

>

>

> KP Pointer

>

>

>

>

> I

>

>

>

> 9° Ar 20' 0.36"

>

>

>

> Aswini

>

>

>

> Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

>

>

>

>

> II

>

>

>

> 9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

>

>

>

> Krittika

>

>

>

> Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

>

>

>

>

> III

>

>

>

> 5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

>

>

>

> Mrigasiras

>

>

>

> Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

>

>

>

>

> IV

>

>

>

> 29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

>

>

>

> Punarvasu

>

>

>

> Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

>

>

>

>

> V

>

>

>

> 27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

>

>

>

> Aslesha

>

>

>

> Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

>

>

>

>

> VI

>

>

>

> 0° Vi 44' 51.17"

>

>

>

> Utra Phalguni

>

>

>

> Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

>

>

>

>

> VII

>

>

>

> 9° Li 20' 0.36"

>

>

>

> Swati

>

>

>

> Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

>

>

>

>

> VIII

>

>

>

> 9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

>

>

>

> Anuradha

>

>

>

> Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

>

>

>

>

> IX

>

>

>

> 5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

>

>

>

> Moola

>

>

>

> Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

>

>

>

>

> X

>

>

>

> 29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

>

>

>

> Utrashada

>

>

>

> Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

>

>

>

>

> XI

>

>

>

> 27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

>

>

>

> Dhanishta

>

>

>

> Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

>

>

>

>

> XII

>

>

>

> 0° Pi 44' 51.17"

>

>

>

> Poorva Bhadra

>

>

>

> Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

>

>

>

>

> Fortuna

>

>

>

> 21° Cp 56' 38.767"

>

>

>

> Shravana

>

>

>

> Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

>

>

>

> In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and

Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly

Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation

of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of

Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus

and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

>

> Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

> (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/

page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

> 1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it

isconjoined;

> 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

> 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of

theconstellation in which it is deposited;

>

> 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

>

>

> Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find

whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is

a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a

movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or

11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and

Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question

is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

>

> Please clarify my doubt.

>

> Regards,

> Antariksh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

> Get an email ID as yourname (AT) ymail (DOT) com or yourname@rocketmail .com.

 

>

>

>

>

> Get an email ID as yourname (AT) ymail (DOT) com or yourname@rocketmail .com.

 

>

[Guest guest]

dear dhanabalan,

i dont understand what you wants to say.

KMS is using sub's star and by reading these articles,

i was inspired to research on this subject.

is it okey to you?

-sunil gondhalekar

On 7/30/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil Gondhalekar

It is stated that the 4 step theory was developed based on the articles " sublord speaks " by Mr.KMS. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree I will show you the reference.

 

In the article " sublord speaks " , Mr.KMS gave prediction taking sub's star. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree, I will give you the evidence.

 

Please explain in detail, where I am wrong.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

 

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka

Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:12 AM

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

very funny message.

4 step theory is based on sub's star,so no questin of misgiuding by KMS

-SUNIL GONDHALEKAR

On 7/29/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil

I have gone through the earlier messages in this group. I came to know that you have developed the 4 step theory based on the articles of Mr.KMS " Sublord speaks " . In those articles, Mr.KMS took sub's star and gave prediction. Hence Mr.KMS's articles misguided you.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:17 AM

 

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star...

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr...Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr..KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided..

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

r.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is " Time of

Transfer " .

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord " this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

 

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

 

Pada

 

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

House

 

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179 "

 

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989 "

 

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037 "

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248 "

 

 

 

 

Bharani

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286 "

 

 

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876 "

 

 

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763 "

 

 

 

 

Makha

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757 "

 

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515 "

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385 "

 

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262 "

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

 

I

 

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

II

 

 

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

 

 

Krittika

 

 

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

 

III

 

 

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

 

 

IV

 

 

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

 

 

V

 

 

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

 

VI

 

 

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

 

VII

 

 

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36 "

 

 

 

 

Swati

 

 

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516 "

 

 

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

IX

 

 

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261 "

 

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

 

 

X

 

 

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456 "

 

 

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

XI

 

 

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079 "

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

 

XII

 

 

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17 "

 

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767 "

 

 

 

 

Shravana

 

 

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

 

 

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear sunil Gondhalekar

O.K.

 

R.Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 7/31/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 5:09 AM

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

i dont understand what you wants to say.

KMS is using sub's star and by reading these articles,

i was inspired to research on this subject.

is it okey to you?

-sunil gondhalekar

On 7/30/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil Gondhalekar

It is stated that the 4 step theory was developed based on the articles "sublord speaks" by Mr.KMS. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree I will show you the reference.

 

In the article "sublord speaks", Mr.KMS gave prediction taking sub's star. Do you agree or not. If you do not agree, I will give you the evidence.

 

Please explain in detail, where I am wrong.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.comWednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:12 AM

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

very funny message.

4 step theory is based on sub's star,so no questin of misgiuding by KMS

-SUNIL GONDHALEKAR

On 7/29/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear sunil

I have gone through the earlier messages in this group. I came to know that you have developed the 4 step theory based on the articles of Mr.KMS "Sublord speaks". In those articles, Mr.KMS took sub's star and gave prediction. Hence Mr.KMS's articles misguided you.

 

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com

Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:17 AM

 

 

 

 

dear dhanabalan,

pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

DearKanak Bosmia,

I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar's effort for the 4 step theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot for k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p. lovers. Since I am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to improve the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory. I request all the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan

 

dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's star....

4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will misguide me?

can you clarify?

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramkumar

1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have omitted the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord saturn.

3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given. So we cannot assume anything as we like.

4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner of the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) . Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4. Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4 as ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is stronger(exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is an occupant.

6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated by Mr.KSK. Mr....Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to incorporate all the rules of Mr..KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided by somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided..

 

Thank youR.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significatorsr.dhanabalan@ Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

 

 Dear Sir,

 

 

I have a doubt please calrify.

 

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

 

 

 

 

 

In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

 

I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

 

Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example in the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

Transfer".

 

I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is where the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

 

Please clarify Sir.

 

*(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not manifest.)

 

I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not give the results of the sign occupied by B.

 

Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

 

I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

 

How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of arriving the significators.

 

When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is predictive intelligence.

 

Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

 

It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with you.

 

Can you please give me your address and phone number.

 

I respect you Sir.

 

I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have understood.I fear!!!

 

Thanks and Regards,

Ramkumar.

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators

@gro ups.comSunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Antariksh

I am giving my view in step by step

1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected planets in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not considering those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

 

2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star. So ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime significator.

 

3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star. Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu signify strongly the first house.

4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5 strongly.

5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu. Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the cusp 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime significator.

In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators@gro ups.com Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

Dear All -I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators. Take the following example -

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

 

 

Pada

 

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

House

 

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

 

 

10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

 

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

 

 

 

 

Pushya

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

 

 

 

 

Bharani

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

 

21° Le 17' 39.8286"

 

 

 

 

Poorva Phalguni

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

 

Jupiter (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

 

 

 

 

Poorvashada

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

 

 

13° Le 15' 22.763"

 

 

 

 

Makha

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

 

 

 

Uranus (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

 

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

 

Neptune (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

 

Pluto (Retro.)

 

 

 

 

5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

 

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

 

 

25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

 

 

 

Lagna

 

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cusps

 

 

 

 

Longitude

 

 

 

 

Star

 

 

 

 

KP Pointer

 

 

 

 

 

I

 

 

 

 

9° Ar 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

 

Aswini

 

 

 

 

Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

II

 

 

 

 

9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

 

Krittika

 

 

 

 

Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

 

 

 

 

 

III

 

 

 

 

5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

 

Mrigasiras

 

 

 

 

Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

 

 

 

 

 

IV

 

 

 

 

29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

 

Punarvasu

 

 

 

 

Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

 

 

 

 

 

V

 

 

 

 

27° Cn 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

 

Aslesha

 

 

 

 

Moo-Mer-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

 

VI

 

 

 

 

0° Vi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

 

Utra Phalguni

 

 

 

 

Mer-Sun-Rah- Ven

 

 

 

 

 

VII

 

 

 

 

9° Li 20' 0.36"

 

 

 

 

Swati

 

 

 

 

Ven-Rah-Jup- Mer

 

 

 

 

 

VIII

 

 

 

 

9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

 

 

 

 

Anuradha

 

 

 

 

Mar-Sat-Ven- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

IX

 

 

 

 

5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

 

 

 

 

Moola

 

 

 

 

Jup-Ket-Mar- Ket

 

 

 

 

 

X

 

 

 

 

29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

 

 

 

 

Utrashada

 

 

 

 

Jup-Sun-Rah- Sat

 

 

 

 

 

XI

 

 

 

 

27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

 

 

 

 

Dhanishta

 

 

 

 

Sat-Mar-Jup- Sun

 

 

 

 

 

XII

 

 

 

 

0° Pi 44' 51.17"

 

 

 

 

Poorva Bhadra

 

 

 

 

Jup-Jup-Mar- Jup

 

 

 

 

 

Fortuna

 

 

 

 

21° Cp 56' 38.767"

 

 

 

 

Shravana

 

 

 

 

Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

 

 

In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in constellation of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK(KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/ page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it isconjoined;

2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspectingit;

3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of theconstellation in which it is deposited;

4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited. Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn) is a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as it's a movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my question is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?Please clarify my doubt.Regards,Antariksh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mohankumar

 

 

You have stated that,

 

“In my opinion and experience, I have now concluded - contrary to KP principles and advocating Dr.KAR's principle on Rahu/Kethu's effect - that Rahu or Kethu represent their SignLords.

 

So, the best way is to restrict ourselves to the level that Rahu/Kethu substitute their Signlords in addition to their own significations in that chart. Try this and clear your minds, my dear friends.â€

 

I need some clarifications from you.

 

1) From the above, I understand that Dr.KAR has not considered the conjoin and aspecting planets of Rahu/Ketu. Also he did not consider the cuspal aspect and conjoin of Rahu/Ketu.

 

2) Rahu/Ketu representing signlords. What way? Signlord occupation and ownership alone or signlord’s star lord occupation and ownership also to be included.

 

3) What is Rahu/Ketu’s own signification? You mean the Rahu/Ketu’s starlord occupation and ownership.

 

4) What are the other deviations from KP principles by Dr.KAR?

 

Thank you

R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 8/2/08, MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology wrote:

MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrologyFw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other significators"Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalanSaturday, August 2, 2008, 3:58 PMDear Dhanbalan Sir,

Thanks for responding. In my opinion and experience, I have now

concluded - contrary to KP principles and advocating Dr.KAR's

principle on Rahu/Kethu's effect - that Rahu or Kethu represent their

SignLords. when you add the significations of the Planets conjoined

with Rahu/Kethu or aspecting Rahu/Kethu or their StarLord

signification, it CAN BE SEEN much to our confusion that Rahu/Kethu

signify all the 12 Houses in almost all charts. So, judgement on

Rahu/Kethu's effect is uncertain and confusing. So, the best way is

to restrict ourselves to the level that Rahu/Kethu substitute their

Signlords in addition to their own significations in that chart.

Try this and clear your minds, my dear friends. May Dr.KAR's Soul

guide me further.

Thanks. Bye for now.

MOHAN KUMAR.R.

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Mohankumar

> Mr.Ramesh wants to know about Rahu/Ketu. This group has discussed

already about Rahu/Ketu and the messages are in the file section.

Some other members also wanted to know about Rahu/Ketu. I have just

reproduced from the file section of this group for his convenience.

It is not my collection. However, I do appreciate the persons who

have collected thses materials and gave to the members.

>

> R.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Wed, 7/30/08, MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology wrote:

>

> MOHAN KUMAR. R. <kpmk_astrology

> Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives

of other significators

> "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan

> Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:31 PM

>

> Dear Dhanapalan Sir,

> Pranams to you. This is MK. We know each other at Salem. just went

> through your posting on Rahu/Kethu's job. Wonderful collection by

> you. You do read a lot, it seems. Well, let's come to the point.

> What do you intend to put forward, my friend?

> Do you want to say "That nobody is following nobody's

rules"?

> Have you ever applied anything anywhere and found anything so far?

> Which point on Rahu/Kethu works really?

> Pl come out with you practical views? Your experience.

> Trust nobody, if you don't want to.

> But, be precise; do some practicals; experiment each one's views.

> Find out which is working and which is not.

> Let us not just be critics. Let us find answers.

> Everyone has got his own. I hope you have yours too.

> All the best to you. I'LL BE BACK WITH MY ANSWERS. BYE NOW!

> With regards,

> MK (MOHAN KUMAR.R., SALEM)

>

> , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh

> >

> > RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP (by Tin Win in KP E-Zine, May 2007)

> >

> > I. BASIC RAHU/KETU RULES

> >

> > 1.1. Origin of Rahu/Ketu Rules

> > (KP Reader II, 1983, page 315 )

> >

> > Rahu or Ketu will act as a strong agent to the planets to which

> they are conjoined. If they are not conjoined with any planet, then

> they give the results of the planet which aspects them. Only when

> they are neither conjoined with, nor aspected by any planet, they

> represent the lord of the house. (Uthrakalamrita -- Khanda VI Sloka

> 14 onwards)

> >

> > 1.2. Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

> > (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/New

Edition /NE/

> page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

> >

> > 1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it is

> conjoined;

> > 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting

it;

> > 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the

> constellation in which it is deposited;

> > 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

> >

> > 1.3. Similar Version by Sri C. B. Bhatt

> > (Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19)

> > Rahu/Ketu as PLANET gives:

> >

> > 1) Firstly, the results of the planet in conjunction with it,

> > 2) Secondly, the results of the planet aspecting it,

> > 3) Thirdly, the results of its own star lord, and

> > 4) Fourthly, the results of the owner of the sign occupied by it.

> >

> > 1.4. A Slightly Different Version by Guruji KSK

> > (by taking the STARLORD "before" the planet in aspect/ KP

Reader

> VI, 1978/2002, pages 187/212/214/274/276)

> > A node gives:

> >

> > 1) Firstly, the result of the planet or planets with which it is

> conjoined,

> > 2) Secondly, of the star lord in which it is deposited,

> > 3) Then, of the planet or planets aspecting it and

> > 4) Lastly, of the lord of the sign in which it is deposited.

> >

> > II. HOUSE OCCUPIED BY RAHU/KETU

> > (KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 124 /NE, page 130/ KP

> > Reader V, 1983, page 124)

> >

> > 2.1. The Role of House Occupied by Rahu/Ketu

> > 1) Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what

Starlord

> can

> > offer.

> > 2) Imagine as though Starlord is posited in that house in which

> Rahu or

> > Ketu tenanted.

> > 3) Also imagine that Starlord is posited in that bhava. And it

gives

> > results to greater extent.

> >

> > 2.2. KP Reader III, OE, Part 1, page 110/ NE, page 116/ KP Reader

> V, 1983, page 110

> > Rahu and Ketu will occupy a house. They govern the stars Arudhra,

> Swathi, Sathabisha, Aswini, Maka and Moola. So planets situated in

> these stars will offer the results as indicated by either Rahu or

> Kethu according to the house occupied by them. Further one should

> include the results of the lord of the constellation and then the

> lord of the sign in which Rahu and Kethu is posited. It is

explained

> in the end of the chapter (i.e. as furnished in 1.2 and 2.1).

> >

> > III. A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> >

> > 3.1. Nakshatra Chintamani, page 19 (Sri C. B. Bhatt)

> > If any planet is in the STAR of Rahu or Ketu,

> > 1) that planet will signify the matters of the house occupied by

> Rahu or Ketu;

> > 2) that planet will indicate the matters of the house owned and

> occupied by the Star lord of Rahu or Ketu; and

> > 3) that planet will denote the matters of the house occupied and

> owned by the owner of the sign occupied by Rahu or Ketu.

> >

> > 3.2. It is similar to 2.2 including the house occupied and

> excluding the planets in conjunction and aspect.

> >

> > 3.3. The results of planets in conjunction and aspect for

Rahu/Ketu

> as STARLORD is rarely applied in KP Readers as furnished in 1.2 and

> 2.2. of the Appendix.

> >

> > 3.4. It may be a little awkward in preparing a KP planet wise and

> star wise significator table while taking the starlord effects of

> Rahu/Ketu as STARLORD.

> >

> > IV. OTHER VIEWS

> >

> > 4.1. An interesting approach is noted in Astrosecrets & KP, Part

1,

> 2003, page 308 and 311 (Sri M.P. Shanmughan) and in KP Year Book

> 2002, page 40 (N. Pandu/N. Santhanalingam), that Rahu/Ketu will

offer

> the results of a planet which is deposited in Rahu/Ketu star, eg.

if

> Mars is deposited in Rahu star, Rahu will offer the results of

houses

> 3 and10 owned by Mars. And then the results of planets in

conjunction

> and aspect and starlord are mentioned to be considered.

> >

> > 4.2. In the 4 Step Method (invented by Sri Sunil Gonchalekar and

> explained by Sri Anant Raichur in English), Rahu/Ketu is taken as

> agent of the lord of sign occupied and as a significator of the

house

> occupied. If Rahu/Ketu is in conjunction with any planet within

3.33

> degrees, this planet is also considered, and then the Starlord of

> Rahu/Ketu, the Sublod of Rahu/Ketu, and the Starlord of the Sublord

> are also considered. Only strong significators are considered by

> taking into account of occupation of starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own

star,

> Rahu/Ket having no planet in its star and empty houses. Planets in

> aspect are not considered unless within 3.33 degrees.

> >

> > 4.3. The importance of strong significators is emphasized in

> Astrology for Beginners, Vol 5, page 669 (Sri K. Subramanium). Only

> if there are no planets in Rahu/Ketu star, Rahu/Ket will signify

the

> house occupied. (If a planet is in Rahu/Ketu star, the planet will

> signify the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu.) Only if there are no

> planets in the star of the signlord, Rahu/Ketu will signify the

> results of the signlord. (If a planet is in the star of signlord,

> Rahu/Ketu will signify the houses occupied by the signlod and the

> starlod of the signlord and the houses owned by the STARLORD of the

> signlord, provided there is no planet in those houses). And then

the

> results of the planets in conjunction and aspect are mentioned to

be

> considered.

> >

> > ..V. RAHU/KETU’S ASPECTS

> >

> > 5.1. Since the Rahu/Ketu Rules in 1.2 and 2.1 are commonly used,

> the application of Rahu/Ketu’s aspects is not found in KP

> literature except Dr. Bal Krishna Singh Hatia applying Rahu `s 5th

> and 9th aspects in KP Year Book, 1999, page 26 and Sri Prof. K.

> Balachandran using Kethu's 7th, 9th and 12th (Hindu) aspects in KP

> Year Book, 2002, page 82-90. According to Parasara, Rahu aspects 5,

> 7, 9, and 12 fully (Uttara Kalamrita Kalidasa by Dr. P. S. Sastri,

> Edition 2001, page 43; Thanks to Ms. Sandy Crowther for giving

> reference.) and Jupiter-like aspects of Rahu/Ketu are used in Vedic

> Astrology.

> >

> > VI. SOME FINDINGS FROM EXAMPLES IN KP READERS

> >

> > 6.1. In examples regarding Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP Readers III,

IV, V

> and VI (as furnishe in the Appendix), Hindu aspects and conjunction

> are used; the importance of strong significators is considered

> whenever appropriate by taking into account of the occupation of

> starlord, Rahu/Ketu in own star, Rahu/Ket having no planet in its

> star and empty houses.

> >

> > 6.2. Even though quoted "only when they are neither conjoined

with,

> nor

> > aspected by any planet, they represent the lord of the house." ,

> whether Rahu/Ketu as Planet or Starlod or Sublord, the results of

the

> followings are taken depending on relevance to the matter under

> consideration regardless of their sequence of order:

> >

> > 1) House occupied,

> > 2) Planet in conjunction,

> > 3) Planet in aspect and

> > 4) Starlord,

> > 5) Signlord, for instances:

> >

> > a) Conjunction/Starlord/Signlord Rules are applied together in

> Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50) and Reader VI

> pages 302/316;

> > b) Conjuction/Aspect/ Signlord Rules are applied together in

Reader

> IV page 111;

> > c) Occupation/Aspect/Signlord Rules are applied together in

Reader

> VI, page 190;

> > d) Signlord Rule is applied neglecting the planet in conjunction

in

> Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/85 (NE pages 200-1/244-45).

> >

> > 6.3. Rahu/Ketu as agent of the planet in conjunction or aspect or

> signlord is supposed to give whatever the planet concerned is to

> signify (KP Reader VI, page 234) but only houses occupied and owned

> by the planet are commonly considered, and further results of the

> planet's Starlord are taken in some cases only, for instances:

> >

> > 1) Starlod of Starlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 13 (NE page

> 166);

> > 2) Starlord of Signlord in Reader III OE Part 2 page 85 (NE pages

> 244-45).

> >

> > 6.4. Generally the houses occupied and owned by STARLORD and the

> house occupied by Rahu/Ketu are shown by KP SWs, and in addition

> planets acted by Rahu/Ketu as agent and planets having no planet in

> their stars are also shown by KPAstro 2.5.

> >

> > VII. CONCLUSION

> >

> > In applying Rahu/Ketu Rules of house occupied, planets in

> conjunction and aspect, starlord and signlord, consideration of the

> priority and strong significators will be crucial when Rahu/Ketu

> plays a dual role in cases of life or death, marriage or denial

etc.

> >

> >

> > APPENDIX: APPLICATION OF RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP READERS

> >

> > 1. PLANET IN CONJUNCTION RULE

> >

> > 1.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> > Reader III Old Edition (OE) Part 2 pages 11/85/140/206-7 (New

> Edition/NE/ pages 164/244-5/304/376-7)

> > Reader IV (1984/2002) pages 111/133

> > Reader V (1983) page 200

> > Reader VI (1978/2002) pages 187/302

> >

> > 1.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLOD

> > Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3 (NE pages 149-50)

> >

> > 1.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 44-5/202 (NE pages 200-1/371)

> > Reader IV page 106

> > Reader VI pages 312/316

> >

> >

> > 2. PLANET IN ASPECT RULE

> >

> > 2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244-

> 5/294/344/376-7/383-4)

> > Reader IV page 111

> > Reader VI page 187

> >

> > 2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> >

> > Reader VI page 190

> > 2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> > Reader IV page 108

> >

> > 3. STARLORD RULE

> >

> > 3.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> > Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 12-13/ 42/61/130 (NE

> pages 149/165-6/198/219/294)

> > Reader IV pages 133/207-8/230

> > Reader VI pages 190/298/302

> >

> > 3.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 1 pages 142-3/ Part 2 pages 11/18/ 61/85/108

(NE

> pages 149-50/164/171/219/245/270)

> >

> > 3.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 1 page 143/Part 2 page 61 (NE pages 150/219)

> > Reader IV pages 106/108/145

> > Reader VI pages 226/291/316

> >

> > 4. SIGNLORD RULE

> >

> > 4.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> > Reader III OE Part 1 page 142/Part 2 pages 11/39/66-

> 7/85/108/144/150/152/176/199/202/206-7 (NE pages 149/164/194/223-

> 4/245/270/308/na/318/344/368/371/376-7)

> > Reader IV page 111/175/208/239

> > Reader V page 200-1

> > Reader VI pages 273/ 298/302

> >

> > 4.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 1 page 142-3/Part 2 pages 11/37/85/111/140/144

> (NE pages 149-50/164/192/244-5//273/304/308)

> > Reader IV pages 190/225

> > Reader V pages 141/200

> >

> > 4.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 18/37/44-5/202 (NE pages 171/192/200-

> 1/371)

> > Reader IV 106/108/145

> > Reader VI p 290/312/316

> >

> > 5. HOUSE OCCUPIED RULE

> >

> > 5.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET

> > KP Reader III OE, Part 1 page142/Part 2 pages 11/61/80/149/155

(NE

> pages 149/164/219/238-9/315/320)

> > KP Reader IV pages 197/239

> > KP Reader V pages 141/201

> > KP Reader VI pages 190/217/298

> >

> > 5.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD

> > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 12-3/39-40/85/154-5 (NE pages 165-

6/193-

> 4/244-5/320-1)

> > Reader IV pages 207/225/227/239

> > Reader V pages 133/141/200

> > Reader VI page 190

> >

> > 5.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD

> > Reader III Part 2 pages 61/143/155 (NE pages 219/307/320)

> > Reader IV pages 106/197/227

> > Reader VI p 226/290

> >

> > --------------------------------

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> --------

> > A STUDY NOTE ON FOUR STEP THEORY

> >

> > I. INRTODUCTION

> >

> > 1. This is a study note for better understanding of the Four

Step

> Theory.

> >

> > II. SIGNIFICATORS

> >

> > 2. The 4 steps are as follows:

> >

> > 1) The Planet itself

> > 2) The Star Lord of the Planet

> > 3) The Sub Lord of the Planet

> > 4) The Star Lord of this Sub Lord

> >

> > 3. In each step, the houses signified by the planet are the

house

> occupied and the houses owned by the planet. All the houses

indicated

> in the 4 steps are basically the secondary significators of the

> ‘main’ planet in the step 1. Out of them the primary (strong)

> significators are chosen by the basic and special rules.

> >

> > 4. Only the primary significators are considered in this theory

> and the 3rd and 4th steps are given more importance. In checking

the

> promise of an event by the relevant cusp sub-lord and choosing the

> fruitful DBA for an event, the cusp sub-lord and the DBA lords are

> considered by the houses of primary significators in all 4 steps.

> >

> > III. PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

> >

> > III.1. Basic Primary Significators

> >

> > 5. The basic primary significators are as given under:

> >

> > III.1.1. Based on Starlord

> >

> > 5.1. A planet acting as the starlord of another planet, i.e. a

> planet in the step 2 or 4 is a primary significator of the house

> occupied and the houses owned by this planet, provided they are

empty

> (not occupied by Sun to Ketu, without taking into consideration of

> Fortuna, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto).. So the empty houses, in the

> ‘attached’ example chart 1, ‘1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12’ houses,

are

> to be noted down. These houses primarily signified are the KP

grade A

> significators and grade C significators, which are upgraded when

the

> relevant houses are empty.

> >

> > III.1.2. Based on Star Position

> >

> > 5.2. A planet with no planet in its star or a planet in its own

> star is the primary significator of the house it occupies and the

> houses it owned, only if the houses are empty. So in the example

> chart 1, the planets with no planet in their stars are to be marked

> by “+â€, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa’ and the planets in their own stars

> by “*â€, ‘Ra, Ke’. All these planets, ‘Mo, Me, Ju, Sa, Ra,

> Ke’, are the primary significators in any step of 4 steps.

> Otherwise the planets in step 1 and step 3 are the secondary

> significators. These houses primarily signified are the upgraded KP

> grade B significators for the planets with no planet in their stars

> and in their own stars and upgraded grade D significators, when the

> relevant houses are empty. In the example chart 1, Venus is a

primary

> significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1 and 3.

> >

> > III.2. Rahu/Ketu Significators

> >

> > 6. The above same rules (in the point 5) apply to Rahu/Ketu,

which

> gives the results of the planets conjoined and aspecting within the

> 3d:20m orb, its star-lord and its sign-lord in the ascending order.

> As a practical starting point, the house occupied by Rahu/Ketu, and

> the house occupied and the houses owned by its sign-lord are

usually

> taken into consideration. Only if Rahu/Ketu is itself the

‘primary

> significator’(as per the principles in the point 5), then the

> planets conj or aspt, star-lord and sign-lord also will become the

> ‘primary significators’. If Rahu/ Ketu is itself the secondary

> significator only, then they also will be the secondary

significators

> even though they are by themselves the primary significators. In

the

> attached example chart 1, since Rahu is a primary significator in

any

> step of 4 steps by being in its own star, its ‘Sgl Ve and conj

> Ju’ also become the primary significators. In the attached

example

> chart 2, Rahu is a

> > primary significator in the steps 2 and 4 but not in the steps 1

> and 3. (R1, pages 30, 41-42, R2, R9) (R1 means the Reference

item

> no 1.)

> >

> > 7. An emphasis is given to take into consideration of the house

> occupied and the houses owned by the star-lord of Rahu/Ketu when it

> is the star-lord of another planet, ie. Rahu/Ketu in the step 2 or

> 4. Its star-lord gives stronger results than its signlord. The

> primary significators of the conjoined and aspecting planets are

also

> to be added as relevant. The results of the conjoined or aspecting

> planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator)

> should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its

> results. In the attached example chart 2, for the primary

> significator Rahu as a Stl of Su, ‘Asp by Ju(3,10) and Stl Mo

(2,7)

> ’ are supposed to be stronger than ‘Sgl Me(4)’, which is

> assumed not to give its results in such case. (R 1, pages 28, 30,

41-

> 42, 61, 77, 79, R5, Msg#14976, #14998) (Msg# means the Messages in

> this KP Group.)

> >

> > 8. The KP Rahu/Ketu rules are only the Kalidasa’s “rules of

the

> results of planets conjoined and aspecting and the sign-lordâ€

plus

> “Guruji KSK’s star-lord ruleâ€, nothing else, and the same

rules

> followed by ‘Shri Bhatt’ and the Four Step Theory can be seen

in

> Msg#1832, #3231 and Msg #8911 or Ra/Ke rules in the KP E-Zine May

> 2007, in which each and every practical application of the

Rahu/Ketu

> rules applied by Guruji KSK in his all Readers has been studied and

> the other views in the KP literature have been provided. It can

also

> be found there whether there are two separate Rahu/Ketu rules as

> mentioned in Msg#14976 and whether Shri Bhatt could not judge how

> nodes give the results as mentioned in Msg14998#.

> >

> > 9. It is worthy to note that Rahu is called as a blemish planet,

> which creates problems and does not give results effectively to the

> native when it is in the DBA. If Rahu is a strong significator of

> improving houses in all 4 steps, which is not found in most cases,

> then it won’t create problems. Ketu does not create problems if

it

> is supporting favorable houses. (Messages in other group)

> >

> > II.3. Additional Primary Significators from the KP ‘E’ Grade

> Significators

> >

> > 10. The special rules of upgrading the weak KP ‘E’ grade

> significators to the additional primary significators are as

follows:

> >

> > 1) Conjunction with Cusp,

> > 2) Conjunction between Planets,

> > 3) Aspect on Cusp, and

> > 4) Aspect between Planets.

> >

> > II.3.1. Conjunction with Cusp

> >

> > 11. If a planet is in conjunction with a cusp within 3d:20m orb,

> behind (before) the cusp or ahead (after) the cusp, the planet is

> ‘automatically’ taken as a primary significator of this cusp in

> ‘any step’ of 4 steps, irrespective of other planets being in

the

> house whose cusp is conjoined by the planet or the planet not

being a

> primary significator. One may wonder whether a planet can become a

> primary significator by the mere conjunction with a cusp within

> 3d:20m orb. In the case of conjunction before the cusp, the

> physically occupied house is also taken into consideration as a

> significator, and it will also become a primary significator when

the

> relevant planet is a primary significator. In such a case, the

planet

> becomes a primary signifcator of the conjoined house as well as the

> previous house, which is a negative house for the conjoined house.

> The 3d:20m orb can be increased up to 4-5 degree especially for the

> fast moving planets (Sun, Mars,

> > Mercury and Venus) and the very fast moving Moon. (R 1, pages

20-

> 24, 27, 49, 53, 57, 61,67, 91; R2, Part-4 & 5; Msg#13680, #13882,

> #14148, #14976)

> >

> > 12. In the example chart 1, ‘Ven conj 6’ is a conjunction

> before 6th cusp, and ‘Me conj 7, Ju conj 3, Ra conj 3, Ke conj

9’

> are the conjunctions after the cusps. In the case of ‘Ven

> > conj 6’ before the cusp, the physically occupied house 5th is

> also taken in to consideration. When Venus becomes a primary

> significator by being the star-lord of Mars in the step 2, both 5

and

> 6 houses become primary significators, offering 6th and 5th,

> ‘12th to 6th’, at the same time, which are opposing to each

> other such as gain and loss, sickness and cure etc.

> >

> > II.3.2. Conjunction of Planets

> >

> > 13. If a planet is conjoined with another planet within 3d:20m

orb,

> the planet becomes a primary significator of another planet, only

if

> the original planet itself is a primary significator (as per the

> rules in the point 5). These two planets (excluding Rahu/Ketu) in

> conjunction will offer the results to each other. However, in the

> case of ‘Ra/Ke conj another planet’, ‘only’ Rahu/Ketu

offers

> the results of the conjoined planet as an agent of this planet

but

> the conjoined planet cannot offer the results of Rahu/Ketu. (R 1,

> pages 27-28, 41-42, 51-53, R2-Part 4 & 5; Msg #13882, #14140)

> >

> > 14. In the example chart 1, in the case of ‘Su conj Me’, Sun

> gives the results of Mercury when Sun becomes a primary

significator

> by being the star-lord of Venus in the step 2. On the other side,

> Mercury, having no planet in its star, offers the results of Sun in

> any step of 4 steps. However, in the case of ‘Ra conj Ju’,

> ‘only’ Rahu offers the results of Jupiter as an agent of

Jupiter

> since Rahu is a primary significator by being in its own star.

Here a

> caution is that Jupiter cannot give the results of Rahu, like

Jupiter

> giving the results of Ketu in the case of ‘Ke conj Ju’ in the

> example of the R 2-Part 4. Similarly Jupiter, which is the sign-

lord

> of Rahu, cannot offer the results of Ra(2,8) in the first 2 steps

> like being mentioned to do so in Msg#14867, even though Rahu is an

> agent of Jupiter. Rahu/Ketu will give whatever the planet is to

> give when it is an agent of this planet but the planet can not give

> the results of RahuKetu.

> > It is an agent of the planets conjoined and aspecting and the

sign-

> lord but it does not act as an agent of its star-lord.

> >

> > II.3.3. Aspect on Cusp

> >

> > 15. If a planet throws the Hindu aspects on the cusps (not

houses)

> within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of

> these cusps, only if the ‘original’ planet itself is a primary

> significator (as per the rules in the point 5), irrespective of

other

> planets being in the aspected houses. Ketu’s 7th aspect on the

> ‘cusp’ within 30d:20m orb is taken into consideration, implying

> to take Rahu’s similar aspect also. (R 1, pages 28, 34, 70, 87,

> #14976, #14998)

> >

> > 16. In the example chart 1, Jupiter aspects 7, 9, 11 cusps. Since

> Jupiter is a primary significator with no planet in its star, it

> becomes a primary significator of 7, 9, 11 houses. In the example

> chart 2, Saturn aspects 2 only and as a primary significator by

> having no planet in its star, it becomes a primary significator of

> the 2nd house. ‘Me asp 7, Ju asp 9, Ve asp 12, Ra asp 9, Ke asp

> 3’ are all the ‘7th’ aspects. While aspecting these cusps,

the

> planets are conjoined with the opposite cusps, ie. ‘Me conj 1,

Ju

> conj 3, Ve conj 6, Ra conj 3, Ke conj 9. Thus these planets

become

> the significators of opposite houses, ie. Me for 1 & 7; Ju for 2 &

9;

> Ve for 6 & 12; Ra for 3 & 9; Ke for 9 & 3 (Ra /Ke for the same

3

> &

> 9) . One may think whether the same planet can signify the

opposite

> houses, indicating opposite matters and how Rahu or Ketu can aspect

> the opposite cusp and consequently signify all the same opposite

> houses. (Msg#3316,

> > #14708, #14843, #14987, #15079) In KP the aspect of Rahu/Ketu

is

> not considered since it is only the sensitive intersecting point in

> the pathway of Sun and Moon. In the chart in the R5, where Sun (Sc

09-

> 03) is conjoined with the 12th cusp (Sc 10-59) and aspects the 6th

> cusp (Ta 10-59), signifying the opposite houses of financial gain

> (6th) and loss (12th) at the same time, which are opposing to each

> other. Whether to take into consideration of all primary

> significators or to exclude some of them, especially significators

by

> 7th aspect is up to the own judgment and preference of an

astrologer.

> If 7th aspect is not taken into consideration, Rahu/Ketu’s

opposite

> 7th aspect on a cusp will be automatically ruled out. Depending on

> which option is chosen, the result can be entirely different, for

> instance in the example chart in Msg#14714, Antara lord Venus can

> give marriage if ‘Su asp 7’ is taken into consideration in the

> 4th step, otherwise marriage

> > is denied in Venus Antara by the primary signification of

> ‘totally negative’ houses 1, 12 in the 4th step.

> >

> > 17. The Rahu/Ketu conjunction with a cusp within the 3d:20m orb

> is not rare as said in Msg#14976 but common as shown below:

> >

> > 1) R1, chart no 5, ‘Ketu conj 3’

> > 2) R1, chart no 8, ‘Ketu conj 12’

> > 3) R1, chart no 10, ‘Ketu conj 1’

> > 4) R1, chart no 16, ‘Ketu conj 2’

> > 5) R1, chart no 17, ‘Ketu conj 9’

> > 6) R2- Part 2, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

> > 7) R2- Part 4, example chart, ‘Ke conj 3’

> > 8) R2- Part 5, example chart, ‘Ke conj 11’

> > 9) Msg#5258, example chart, ‘Ke conj 10’

> > 10) Msg#13680, example chat, Ke conj 6’

> > 11) Msg#14700, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 3’

> > 12) Msg#14711, example chart, ‘Ketu conj 9’

> > 13) Msg#14787, example chart, ‘Ket conj 9’

> > 14) SUB LORD SPEAKS LIX 1st example, ‘Ket conj 8’

> >

> > 18. Every case is unique but the rules are general for all cases

> without discrimination. The rules can not work for each case and

> every event, for instance the marriage on 13-4-1979 (ceremony on

14-4-

> 1979) of the live chart in Msg#14774 can not be clearly justified

> by the KP or Four Steps rules.

> >

> > II.3.4. Aspect between Planets

> >

> > 19. If a planet has the Hindu aspect (throwing or receiving)

with

> another planet within the 3d:20m orb, the planet becomes a primary

> significator of another planet, provided the original planet itself

> is a primary significator (as per the rules in the point 5). (R 1,

> pages 28, 30, 54, 57, 70, 75)

> >

> > 20. In the example chart 1, ‘Mo Aspected by Ju’ and on the

side

> of receiving aspect, Moon with no planet in it star, as a primary

> significator, offers the results of Jupiter in any step of 4 steps.

> On the other side of throwing aspect, Jupiter, a primary

significator

> by having no planet in its star, also gives the results of Moon in

> any step of 4 steps. In the chart of Msg#13882, Me (Ar 07-

> >

> > 21) and Jupiter (Li 04-40) are aspecting each other by 7th

aspect,

> which is not taken into consideration there. If this 7th aspect is

> taken into consideration like in the Four Step Book, Mercury, as

star-

> lord of Sun, has to offer the results of Ju(8-11) and Jupiter,

> without any planet in its star, has to give the results of Me(2-5),

> and thus both Mercury and Jupiter have to signify the same opposite

> houses of 2 and 8 at the same time, which seems doubtful.

> >

> > IV. RULING PLANETS

> >

> > 21. The RPs of only 4 items applied in this theory are in the

> following order. (R1, pages 32, 34, 40-42, 81-83, 88, 91, R2-Part

5,

> R9, Msg#13610, #13882, #14553, #14976):

> >

> > 1) Lagna Lord,

> > 2) Moon’s Starlord,

> > 3) Moon’s Sign Lord, and

> > 4) Day Lord.

> >

> > 22. The Rahu/Ketu is to be taken as the RPs, only if it

> ‘directly’ appears in the RPs and not to take it while

appearing

> as the agents of the RPs.

> >

> > 23. The ‘main essence’ of this theory is to judge the events

> without the help of the RPs and so they are not used in fixing the

> DBA, except in the analysis of the chart no. 21 at the end of the

R1,

> pages 91-92.. The RPs are used ‘only’ to confirm or correct the

> sub-lord of the relevant cusp in the Natal chart. If the sub-lord

is

> among the RPs, it is supposed to be correct. If it does not

appear

> in the RPs, the RP (planet), which is ahead or behind the original

> sub-lord is taken as the corrected sub-lord of the relevant cusp.

> The preference is given to the RP as per the above order of

priority,

> if both planets ahead and behind the original sub-lord appear in

the

> RPs. The confirmation or correction of the cusp sub-lord under

> consideration is to be done, as if there is some change in the

birth

> time, before the prediction of a natal chart. However, the

horoscope

> is not recasted in line with the corrected sub-lord of the relevant

> cusp.

> >

> > 24. The RPs will change depending on time, place and person.

> Consequently, any result based on the RPs also will change,

implying

> not giving support or help to everybody at every time. (R1, page 2,

> Msg#14833,#13387, #14976, #5051, #5054)

> >

> > 25. For the example chart 1, the RPs at the time of judgment, at

> 22:03:27 PM on 08-10-2007 at 39N05, 77W09, TZ (GMT-5) are as

follows:

> >

> > 1) Lagna Lord = Venus

> > 2) Moon’s Star Lord = Venus

> > 3) Moon’s Star Lord = Sun

> > 4) Day Lord = Moon

> >

> > 26. Since the 12th cusp sub-lord Moon is in the RPs, it is

supposed

> to be a correct sub-lord. For a case where the relevant sub-lord is

> not in the RPs, suppose the Day Lord is Mars, then the sub-lord

Moon

> is not in the RPs. So Moon is to be corrected to Sun (before Moon)

or

> Mars (after Moon), which are in the RPs, and the preference should

be

> given to Sun as per the priority order of the RPs.

> >

> >

> > V. PROMISE OF AN EVENT

> >

> > 27. If the sub-lord of the cusp governing the event under

> consideration is a primary significator of any or more of the

> required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for marriage) in any or more of

> the 4 steps, then the event is promised for fructification unless

> there is the primary signification of ‘totally negative’ houses

> (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. Whatever it may be

or

> even though there are the primary significators of the ‘totally

> negative’ houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps 1 and 2,

any

> primary significator of the required houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for

> marriage) or a mixture of positive houses (2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 for

> marriage) and negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) in the steps

3

> and 4, will give the positive result. The result will be

unfavorable,

> only if the primary significators are ‘totally negative’ (4, 6,

> 12 for marriage) in the steps 3 and 4. So the primary

significators

> in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more

> > important’ than the ones in the steps 1 and 2. The common rule

> of taking ‘12th to any house’ as a ‘negative house’ for

this

> house is not applicable in every case, for instance the 1st house,

> though 12th to the 2nd, is not held as a negative house for 2nd,

but

> considered as a primary house to get money as it represents the

> native and his efforts etc; 10th is not considered as a negative

> house to 11th.. In the 1st example chart of the SUB LORD SPEAKS

��"

> LVII article, the 7th cusp sublord Mercury is a primary

significator

> of 12 only in the 4th step, without any other marriage giving

primary

> significtors of 2, 7, 11 and 5, 8 in the steps 3 and 4. If 12th is

> considered as a negative house to marriage, the result will be the

> same as in the article that the martial life is not promised. In

the

> example chart of the R4, the marriage an not be promised, if the

12th

> house is considered as a negative house for marriage since the 7th

> cusp sub-lord Venus

> > is the primary significator of 12th house only in the 4th step.

As

> per KP marriage is also found not promised in Msg#6077 (#6088).

(R1,

> page 41-42, R5, Msg#4409, #13195, #13245, #13571, #14336, #14364)

> >

> > 28. In the example chart 1, the 12th cusp sublord is Moon,

> primarily signifying 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 in the steps 1 and 2 and 3, 5,

> 12, 7, 9 in the steps 3 and 4. So foreign going is definitely

> promised. It will be denied, only if Moon is a primary

significators

> of totally negative houses 2, 8, 11 and 4, 6 in the steps 3 and 4,

> without any primary significator of 3, 9, 12 and 5, 7. Moreover,

> since Moon is a primary significaotrs of 11 in the step 1 and most

> importantly 6 and 11 in the step 3, it is possible for getting a

> monetary gain to ‘some extent’ through foreign visit during the

> jointly favorable DBA for getting money, even though a primary

> signification of 1, 2, two main houses for getting money, is

missing.

> >

> > VI. CHOICE OF DBA

> >

> > 29. The DBA lords are to be judged by the same above approach

for

> an event to fructify.

> > The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly the

> primary significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for

> marriage). Suppose the Dasa lord is the primary significatotr of

> the house 2 and the Bhukti lord is a primary significator of the

> house 5 or 11, then the Antara lord should be the primary

> significator of the remaining house 7 to complete the chain of DBA

> for the event to materialize. The 3 houses must be found in the DBA

> lords. The event will not materialize, if there are only primary

> significators of totally adverse or negative houses in the steps 3

> and 4 of the DBA lords. . In the second example of the R3, Moon may

> not be chosen for the Bhukti in the DBA chain for marriage because

> Rahu is a primary significator of totally negative houses 1 and 12

> for marriage in the 4th step of Moon. However, if the star-lord of

> Rahu, Ketu is taken into consideration, Ketu is in 6 and its sign-

> lord Mercury is in 10 and lord of 10, 7. This

> > 7th is supposed to help in taking the Moon Bhukti in the DBA

> chain. In the example of the R10, the Bhukti lord Jupiter may not

> be taken in the DBA chain for child birth because Jupiter is the

only

> primary significators of totally negative houses 4, 8, 10 in the

4th

> step without any primary significators of 2, 5, 11 and 9 in the

> steps 3 and 4. Moreover, if the 8th ( 12 to supporting 9) is

> considered as a negative house for child birth (which is not

clearly

> known), the Dasa lord Mars and Antara lord Moon may not be taken in

> the DBA chain for child birth because both Mars and Moon are the

> primary significators of 8th only in both steps 3 and 4. (R 1,

> pages 31-32, 39, 41-42, 75-76; R2-Part5; R 3, R8, Msg#13265,

#13469)

> >

> > 30. In fixing the Dasa, if sometimes there may not be any

> ‘primary significator’ of required houses in any of the 4

steps,

> then its ‘secondary significator’ in any step can be taken into

> consideration as the Dasa period is too long. But for the Bhukti

and

> Antara, a primary significator is needed in any step for the event

to

> take place. (Msg #14357, #14381, #14393) In fact, the DBA chain can

> not be complete, if the Dasa lord is not a primary significator of

at

> least one of the required houses. If the running dasa does not

> signify any of the required houses (2, 7, 11 for marriage), this

dasa

> is left and the next dasa, which signifies any of the required

> houses, is chosen to make the DBA chain (2, 7, 11 for marriage)

> complete (Msg#13469, #13882)

> >

> > 31. In choosing the fruitful Antara out of many primary

> significators of the required houses, the priority is given to the

> earliest Antara, at the time of question, if the Lagna is in a

> movable sign; the next Antara, if the Lagna is in a fixed sign; and

> the following Antara of the last priority, if the Lagna is in a

> common sign; if it is still doubtful, Rahu/Ketu Antara can be

chosen,

> as the nodes are stronger than the planets. Another practical way

is

> to choose the Antara, of which lord signifies the required houses

in

> the steps 3 and 4 other than the signification in the steps 1 and 2

> as the primary significators in the steps 3 and 4 are ‘more

> important or stronger’. When a main house of the required houses

(2

> for marriage) is primarily signified by a planet only, a primary

> significator of a supportive house (5 or 8 for marriage) can be

> chosen to make the DBA chain complete as the supportive houses are

> supposed to give the results of the main

> > houses in certain cases. If there is not any planet, which is a

> primary significator of the required houses, the sub-lord of a cusp

> under consideration (4th in buying a house) can be taken into

> consideration with giving preference to the cusp sub-lord, which is

> also a primary significator of the required houses (4, 11, 1 in

> buying a house). (R 1, pages 37-38, 46-47, 68, 80, Msg#13680)

> >

> > 32. In the example chart 1, a monetary gain through foreign visit

> can be expected during the DBA chain jointly signifying 3, 9, 12

and

> 5, 7 along with 1, 2, 6, 11. A lot of combination of DBA is

generally

> possible according to the very wide range of primary significators

as

> summarized below and the details are provided in the Appendix. The

> primary significators of 1, 2 houses in the steps 3 and 4 are

> preferable for a monetary gain.

> >

> > 1) Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

> > 2) Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

> > 3) Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

> > 4) Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

> >

> > 33. On the contrary to the example chart 1, in the attached

example

> chart 2, the DBA chain can not be complete for such major events

of

> finishing engineering, paper marriage and leaving for USA due to a

> ‘very limited’ number of primary significators, which are also

> the same for some planets.

> >

> > 34. In the example chart 1, the Sa-Ra-Me DBA at the time of

planned

> foreign visit is easily found to be a complete chain of BDA for a

> monetary gain through foreign visit, as shown under.

> >

> > 1) Dasa lord Saturn primarily signifies 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11

in

> the steps 1 and 2; and 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11 in the steps 3 and 4.

> > 2) Bhukti lord Rahu primarily signifies 3, 5, 12, 7, 9 and 6, 11

in

> the steps 1 and 2; and 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11 in the steps 3 and

4.

> > 3) Antara lord Mercury primarily signifies 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2,

> 11, 1, 6 in the steps 1 and 2; and 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6

in

> the steps 3 and 4.

> >

> > VII. TRANSIT

> >

> > 35. A near timing of event can be fixed by the transits of the

> DBA lords. Here it is to check the star-lord of the fast moving

> planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) and the sub-lord of the slow

> moving planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu) in the first 2

steps

> only, without taking consideration of more important steps 3 and 4.

> The event will fructify, if these star-lord and sub-lord are the

> primary significators of any or more of the required houses (2, 7,

11

> and 5, 8 for marriage) in the first 2 steps, without taking into

> consideration of negative houses . The transit will not favor the

> event to take place, if there are the primary significators of the

> totally negative houses (4, 6, 12 for marriage) only. The event

will

> not materialize while the star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA

> lords are transiting, is in retrograde. In such a case, the next

> transit is to be considered. The event will not fructify unless the

> transits of DBA are favorable

> > even when the DBA lords are fruitful. (R1, pages 49, 52-54, 71-

> 72,76-77; R2-Part 5, R3)

> >

> > 36. For the example chart 1, around the planned timing of foreign

> visit, Nov - Dec 2007:

> >

> > 1) Dasa lord Saturn (slow moving planet) will be transiting in

the

> Mercury ‘sub’ till 9-11-2007, and then in the Venus sub.

> > 2) Bhukti lord Rahu (slow moving planet) will be transiting in

the

> Jupiter ‘sub’ till 20-11-2007, in the Rahu sub till 27-12-2007

> and then in the Moon sub.

> > 3) Antara lord Mercury (fast moving planet) will be transiting in

> the ‘star’ of Mars till 11-11-2007, then in Rahu star till 20-

11-

> 2007, Jupiter till 29-11-2007, Saturn till 8-12-2007, Mercury

till

> 16-12-2007, Ketu till 24-12-2007, Venus till 02-01-2008.

> > 4) No star-lord or sub-lord will be in ‘retrograde’ to negate

> the results of DBA. If any star-lord or sub-lord is in retrograde,

> the event can not be materialized during such period of transit,

and

> it will require towait for the next transit.

> >

> > 37. The primary significators of the above star-lords and sub-

lords

> in the first 2 steps (1 and 2) are as given under.

> >

> > 1) Ketu: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7and 11

> > 2) Venus: 7 and 6, 1, 2, 11

> > 3) Moon: 12, 3, 7, 9, 5 and 11

> > 4) Mars: 5, 12 and 6

> > 5) Rahu: 3, 5, 12, 9 and 11, 6

> > 6) Jupiter: 3, 12, 7, 9, 5 and 11, 6

> > 7) Saturn: 9, 5, 3, 12, 7 and 6, 11

> > 8) Mercury: 7, 3, 5, 12, 9 and 2, 11, 1, 6

> >

> > 38. Since every star-lord or sub-lord, in which the DBA lords

will

> be transiting, primarily signifies one or more of the required

> houses, the transit agrees with the DBA. The most beneficial time

for

> a monetary gain through foreign visit is expected, firstly from 9-

12-

> 2007 to 16-12-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the

> Venus sub, Bhukti lord Rahu in its own Rahu sub and Antara lord

> Mercury in its own Mercury star, and secondly from 25-12-2007 to

02-

> 01-2007 while Dasa lord Saturn will be transiting in the Venus sub,

> Bhukti lord Rahu in Rahu/Moon sub and Antara lord Mercury in

Venus

> star.

> >

> > VIII. RETROGRESSION

> >

> > 39. The retrogression is not applied in the horary and natal

> prediction. It is used ‘only’ in considering the transits of

DBA

> lords for the event to take place. The transiting DBA lords should

> not be in the relevant sub and star of retrograde planets for an

> event to materialize.. (R1, pages 54, 75, Msg#13296, Messages in

> the other group)

> >

> > X. URANUS, NEPTUNE AND PLUTO

> >

> > 41. Uranus giving sudden, unexpected results, Neptune deceit

and

> Pluto explosive results are also taken into consideration. It is

> supposed to avoid many mistakes by taking into consideration of the

> effects of these planets in KP. In an example chart for a match,

Mars

> aspecting Pluto within the 3d:20m orb has to give the result of

> Pluto, unexpectedly loosing the match, reversing Mars’ own

primary

> signification of 1, 6. (R1, page 63-64, Msg#13387) In an example

> chart of child birth in the R6, although the star-lord of the 5th

> cusp sub-lord’s sub-lord Jupiter, a primary significator, is in

the

> ‘odd’ sign, the first child was a girl due to Jupiter’s

> conjunction with Neptune in retrograde, giving a negative result.

For

> the sex of the 2nd child, there was no effect of Jupiter’s

> conjunction with Neptune because Jupiter is not a primary

> significator in this case. The star-lord of the 7 th cusp sub-lord

is

> Mars, and it is in conjunction with Pluto

> > and aspects the 6 and 10 houses within the prescribed orb,

> indicating illness and caesarian, negative to the desired normal

> delivery. These write ups and the chart of the given birth details

do

> not tally in the article (R6). Neptune in 7th is also supposed to

> deny marriage, which is promised by the standard approach.

> (Msg#14051) However, the negative affects of Neptune and Pluto are

> not conclusive. (Msg#14075, #14106, #14157) Pluto the planet is

> dead. (Msg#9423, #9680) Moreover, to make or break a rule, a study

or

> one’s experience of ‘at least’ 100 cases with around 70-75%

> favorable results may be required.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > IX. HOUSE GROUPING

> > 40. The available house grouping is given below.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > S

> > N

> >

> > Event

> >

> > C

> > P

> >

> > Houses to be

> > signified

> >

> > Remark and Reference

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> > Purchase of

> > house

> >

> > 4

> >

> > 4,11,12

> >

> > 9,6 supportive for getting loan; 8= delay, difficulties; One

> can’t have his own house if 4th Sbl is Ra/Ke. (R1, pages 77-80)

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> > Child birth

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 2,5,11 & supportive 9

> > (if connected Ke & barren Sign<Ar,Ge,

> > Le & Vi> a possibility of abortion)

> >

> > For female 5th for 1st child, 7th for 2nd etc; for male to

consider

> ‘5th for all children’. If plt of 5th Sbl at 4th step (Stl of

5th

> Sbl’s Stl) is in ‘odd’ sign, ‘male’child; in even sign,

> female child; 1,4,10 are negative houses. (R1, p 43, 45, 47; R10,

> Msg#14148)

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> > Caesarian

> > birth

> >

> > 5

> >

> > Connected to

> > Mars & 8th

> >

> > Also when DBA lords connected to Mars, (R1, page 47; R6)

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> > Profit in

> > buying shares

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 2,6,11 & supportive

> > 1,3,10

> >

> > To apply horary only; short term investment, less than 1yr;

> 5,8,12=no profit; selling when 2,6 are strong. For long term

> investment to check 12th cusp sub-lord.

> > 1,2= benefit in short/long term; (R5, Msg#13571 & others)

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> > Stock market

> > movement

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 1,2,3,6,10,11

> > (good prospect)

> >

> > Also dasa ending at market hr. 7th indicates a slide down.

Jupiter

> & Mercury transit by

> > considering in all 4 steps and effects of Saturn, Rahu, Mars &

> retrograde etc (Messages in the other group)

> >

> >

> > 6

> >

> > Win a match

> >

> > 6

> >

> > 6,10,11 & 1,2,3

> >

> >

> >

> > If answer is doubtful, consider 11th; also 12th & 5th for

opponent,

> for whom 5,7,9,12 are favorable; 8,9,12 = tough fight; Also to

judge

> Moon’s star at starting time of

> > match by all 4 steps; For other nations without India, 6 & 11

from

> 9th to be considered; 6,11,10= clear cut victory; no signify-cation

> of them indicates loss; DBA

> > is not applied for one day match.

> > (R1, p 60-61, Msg#13084, #14859

> > Messages in the other group)

> >

> >

> > 7

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 2,7,11 & 5,8

> >

> > 1,6,10,12 are negative houses; in some cases 4 also is negative.

> > (R1, pages 32,37, 41; R7; R9)

> >

> >

> > 8

> >

> > Divorce

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 1,6,12

> >

> > Multi-marriage: 7th Sbl in dual sign and Sbls of 6th & 7th are

the

> same. (R1, pp 37-38)

> >

> >

> > 9

> >

> > Marriage and

> > Divorce

> >

> > D BA

> >

> > 2,7,11 &

> > also 1,4,6,12

> >

> > If DBA lords primarily signify 2,7,11 & also 1,4,6,12 (R1, Page

37,

> Msg#14096)

> >

> >

> > 10

> >

> > Sale of house

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 10,5,6 & 3,9

> >

> > (R1, page 73)

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> > Change in job

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 3,5,9

> >

> > 3 & 12 = leave a job secured;

> > (R1, pages 51-52, 55, 57)

> >

> >

> > 12

> >

> > Get a new

> > job

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 2,6,10 &

> > 1,11

> >

> > Favorable houses to get a new job:2,11 & 1; 8=

supportive/favorable/

> also hurdles;

> > (R1,p 49,51-52,57-59; R8)

> >

> >

> > 13

> >

> > Going abroad

> >

> > 12

> >

> > 3,9,12 & 5,7

> >

> > With 10 for job; 6= unfavorable

> > house; (R1, 65-67,71-72)

> >

> >

> > 14

> >

> > Death

> >

> >

> >

> > Maraka(2,7),

> > Badhaka, 12

> >

> > (R1, pages 88-89, 92)

> >

> > XI. OBSERVATION

> >

> > 42. Once the primary significators are ready in hand, the

> prediction is theoretically easy by choosing the DBA chain and

> checking transit. However, practically it may not be so as per a

> review of events below.

> >

> > HOUSES SIGNIFIED BY THE DBA CHAIN AND TRANSIT AGREEMENT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > S

> >

> > Chart

> >

> > Event

> >

> > Dasa

> >

> > Bhukti

> >

> > Antara

> >

> > T

> >

> > Remark

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> > Example

> > Chart 1

> > (attached)

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 6,10,11*

> >

> > 6,10,11

> >

> > 6,10,

> > 11*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 2

> > * = same plt

> > A= transit

> > agrees DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 2

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Son born

> >

> > 5,11,9

> >

> > 5,11,9

> >

> > 2,5,11,

> > 9

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Last foreign

> > visit

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 5,7*

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 5,7

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 5,7*

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > DBA chain

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> > Example

> > Chart 2

> > (attached)

> >

> > Eng degree

> >

> > 9*

> >

> > 9

> >

> > 9*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 4 or 11

> > A= transit

> > agrees DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 2,10*

> >

> > 2,10*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 6 or 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Paper marriage

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 2

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 7,11 or 5,8

> > N= transit does not agree

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Got a job

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 2,10,1

> >

> > 2,6

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Left for US

> >

> > 9

> >

> > 3,9

> >

> > 9

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 12 or 5,7

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Divorce

> >

> > No 1,4,

> > 6,10,12

> >

> > 6,4

> >

> > 6,10,4

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain not complete

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> > Example

> > Chart

> > Msg#14774

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 8

> >

> > 7,11,5

> >

> > 7

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 2,7,11

> > in Dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Divorce

> >

> > 10,12

> >

> > 1,4

> >

> > 10,12

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 6

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Death of 2nd husband

> >

> > 3,8,10

> >

> > 3,8

> >

> > 3,1

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > chain (3,8,10, 1 or 3,8,10

> > as per 2nd or 9th for 2nd husband)

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LVII, 2nd Example

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 2,5,8

> >

> > 2,7,5,

> > 8

> >

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > (from KP Reader

> > IV, p 192)

> >

> > Divorce

> > sectioned

> >

> > 1*

> >

> > 10,12,1

> >

> > 1*

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 6 or 4

> > * = same planet

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LVIII, 1st Example

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 2,6,10,

> > 1,11*

> >

> > 2,6,10,

> > 1,11*

> >

> > 10,1

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,7,11

> >

> > 2,7,11*

> >

> > 2,7,11*

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> > 6

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LVIII, 2nd Example

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,7,8

> >

> > 2,7,8

> >

> > 2,8

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 11 or 5

> > N= transit not agree DBA

> >

> >

> > 7

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LIX, 1st Example

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 2,11

> >

> > 6,11,1

> >

> > 10,11

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Promotion

> >

> > 6,11,1*

> >

> > 6,11,1*

> >

> > 6,11,1

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 2, 10

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,11,8

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete

> > DBA chain

> >

> >

> > 8

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LIX, 2nd Example

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,7,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > 2,7,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > 2,7,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 11

> > * = same planet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st child

> >

> > 2,5*

> >

> > 2,5*

> >

> > 2,5,11

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd child

> >

> > 2,5

> >

> > 2,5,9*

> >

> > 2,5,9*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 7 or 11

> >

> >

> > 9

> >

> > Sub Lord

> > Speaks LIX, 3rd Example

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,7,5,8

> >

> > 2*

> >

> > 2*

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 11

> > * = same planet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 2,10,

> > 11,1*

> >

> > 2,10,

> > 11,1*

> >

> > 2,10,

> > 11,1*

> >

> >

> >

> > No 6

> >

> >

> > 10

> >

> > Guruji KSK Demon-

> > stration

> > Example

> >

> > Father’s

> > death

> >

> > 7,8

> >

> > 7

> > (Badk)

> >

> > 7,8

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 10 or 3

> > (Maraka)

> > A= transit agrees DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > (KP Reader III, p 139 or

> >

> > Mother’s

> > death

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 5,3

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 12

> > (Badhaka)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 146/ Reader

> > V, p 139/

> >

> > Child’s

> > death

> >

> > 4,6,11

> >

> > 4,6,11

> >

> > No 4,6,

> > 11(Bdk)

> >

> >

> >

> > DBA chain

> > not complete

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Reader VI,

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > 7,11,5

> >

> > 7,11,5,

> > 8*

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 2

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > p 83/ DOB 29-1-1928)

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 2,6,1

> >

> > 6,11

> >

> > Neg. 5

> > in 4th step

> >

> > A

> >

> > DBA chain

> > not complete

> > No 10

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> > Guruji KSK

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 1

> >

> > 10,1

> >

> > 2,1

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 6

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd son

> > born

> >

> > Neg. 1

> > in 4th

> > step

> >

> >

> > 5,9

> >

> > Neg. 1

> > in 4th

> > step

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain not complete

> > No 2, 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd son

> > born

> >

> > Neg. 1

> > in 4th

> > step

> >

> > 5,9

> >

> > Neg. 1

> > in 4th

> > step

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain not complete

> > No 2, 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Retired

> >

> > 12

> >

> > 5,9*

> >

> > 5,9*

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st issue of

> > Astrology & Athrishta

> >

> > ---

> >

> > ---

> >

> > ---

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 3,10,11 in DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st Edition

> > of KP 2 Vol

> >

> > ---

> >

> > ---

> >

> > ---

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 3,10,11 in DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit to

> > Malaysia

> >

> > 12,7

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 9

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 3

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit to

> > Sri Lanka

> >

> > 12,7

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> >

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Death

> >

> > 2,7,12

> >

> > 7*

> >

> > 7*

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete (No Bdk 11)

> >

> >

> > 12

> >

> > Dr. BV Raman

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,7,11,

> > 5

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > 7,5,8

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st son

> > born

> >

> > Neg.10

> > in 4th step

> >

> > No 2,5,

> > 11,9

> >

> > 5

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain not complete

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd son

> > born

> >

> > 2,5,11,

> > 9

> >

> > Neg. 10

> > in 4th step

> >

> > 5

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain not complete

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st US visit

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 7,5

> >

> > N

> >

> > N= transit not agree DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd US visit

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 7,5

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > A

> >

> > A= transit

> > agrees DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 3rd US visit

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 3,9,12,

> > 7,5

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > N

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 4th US visit

> >

> > 7,5*

> >

> > 7,5*

> >

> > 7,5*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 3,9,12

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 5th US visit

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > 3,9,12

> >

> > 7

> >

> > A

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 6th US visit

> >

> > 7,5

> >

> > 9,7,5

> >

> > 7

> >

> > N

> >

> > No 3,12

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Death

> >

> > 7*

> >

> > 7*

> >

> > 7

> >

> > A

> >

> > No Badhaka (9) & 12

> >

> >

> > 13

> >

> > Albert

> > Einstein

> >

> > 1st job

> >

> > 10,11,1

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 10,6,1

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete chain (No 2)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > (AA chart)

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 11,5,8

> >

> > 11,5,8*

> >

> > 11,5,8*

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 7

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Got PhD

> >

> > 11,4

> >

> > 9,11*

> >

> > 9,11*

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Divorce

> >

> > 1,4,10,

> > 12

> >

> > 1,6,10,

> > 12

> >

> > 1,4,10,

> > 12

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2nd marriage

> >

> > 11,5,8

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 11,5,8

> >

> > A

> >

> > No 7, 2 or 9

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Moved to US

> >

> > 12

> >

> > 9,7

> >

> > 12,5

> >

> > A

> >

> > Complete chain (No 3)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Death

> >

> > 12

> >

> > 12

> >

> > 12

> >

> > A

> >

> > No Maraka,

> > Badaka (7th)

> >

> >

> > 14

> >

> > George W.

> > Bush

> > (AA chart)

> >

> > Marriage

> >

> > 2,11

> >

> > Neg. 1 only in

> > all 4 steps

> >

> > Neg.

> > 1,4 in 4th

> > step

> >

> > N

> >

> > DBA chain

> > not complete

> > N= transit not agree DBA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Twin

> > daughters

> > born

> >

> > 2,11

> >

> > 2

> >

> > Neg.

> > 1,4 in 4th

> > step

> >

> > A

> >

> > DBA chain

> > not complete

> > No 5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 1st time

> > president

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 2,6,10,

> > 11,1*

> >

> > 2,6,10,

> > 11,1*

> >

> > N

> >

> > Complete DBA chain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Reelected

> > for 2nd term

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 10

> >

> > 1

> >

> > A

> >

> > DBA chain

> > not complete

> >

> > REFERENCES

> >

> > 1. Sunil Gondhalekar: Advance Theory of KP, Four Step Theory

> > 2. A.R. Raichur: “4 Step Method ��" Part 1 to 5â€, in the

> February to June-2007 issues of the KP E-Zine

> > 3. A.R. Raichur: “4 STEP†(essentials of 4 step method),

> Msg#5333, also in the File Section of this KP Group

> > 4. A.R. Raichur: “Marriage girlâ€, DOB 25-7-1982 (4 step

> example) in the File Section of the KP Group

> > 5. A.R. Raichur: “Shares†(English Translation of Sunil

> Gondhalekar’s article, “Will it be Profitable to Buy Shares of

> IFCI Companyâ€, which appeared in the February-2007 issue of the

> Nakshatrache Dene), in the File Section of the KP Group

> > 6. Bane Anna: “Cannot Avoid Caesarianâ€, English Translation

> English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the

KP

> E-Zine, which appeared in the May-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache

Dene

> > 7. S.S. Hiremath-Kalhapur: “Unmarried (Unfavoured Sub)â€,

> English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the July-2007 issue of the

KP

> E-Zine, which appeared in the June-2007 issue of the Nakshatrache

> Dene)

> > 8. Dr. Madhukar Konarde: “Will I Get a Job on Compassionate

> Groundsâ€, English Translation by A.R. Raichur in the August-2007

> issue of the KP E-Zine, which appeared in the July-2007 issue of

the

> Nakshatrache Dene

> > 9. Sunil Gondhalekar: “Marriage when?,†English Translation

in

> the link below, which appeared in the July-2006 issue of the

> Nakshatrache Dene

> > http://www.astrouser.com/article_display.php?id=69

> > 10. Ganeshaya Namaha: “KP Traditional vs. 4 Step ��" A

> Comparative Analysisâ€, in the March-2007 issue of the KP E-Zine

> > 11. Messages to learn the Four Step Theory compiled in Msg#14851

> and other Messages in this KP Group

> > 12. Sri K.M. Subramaniam: SUBLORD SPEAKS ��" LVII, LVIII and

LIX

> >

> > APPENDIX

> >

> > 1. Life Example Chart 1 (Msg#14787)

> >

> > 1.1. Basic Data

> >

> > Hardeep ji, 28-02-1958, 17-20 PM, Ramgarh, Near Ranchi, Bihar,

> 23N38, 85E31,

> > New KPA 23-10-58, Mars Dasa Bal 0Y-7M-16D

> >

> > Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl-Stl-Sbl- H

> > 09th Ar 08-00 Mar-Ket-Jup Ke* Ar 11-06 Mar-Ket-Sat-9

> > 10th Ta 09-41 Ven-Sun-Ven Mo+ Ge 05-28 Mer-Mar-Sun-10

> > 11th Ge 10-54 Mer-Rah-Sat

> > 12th Cn 11-08 Mo-Sat-Moo

> > 01st Le 10-15 Sun-Ket-Sat

> > 02nd Vi 07-36 Mer-Sun-Ket

> > 03rd Li 08-00 Ven-Rah-Rah Ju+R Li 08-13 Ven-Rah-Ra-3 Rah* Li

11-

> 06 Ven-Rah-Sat-3

> > 04th- Sc 09-41 Mar-Sat-Ven Fort Sc 29-

30

> Mar-Mer-Sat-4 Sa+ Sg 01-30 Jup-Ket-Ven-4

> > 05th Sg 10-54 Jup-Ket-Sat Mar Sg

> 24-35 Jup-Ven-Mer-5 Ven Cp 09-27 Sat-Sun-Ven-5

> > 06th Cp 11-08 Sat-Moo-Mar

> > 07th Aq 10-15 Sat-Rah-Jup Me+ Aq 13-19 Sat-Rah-Mer-7

Sun

> Aq 16-13 Sat-Rah-Ven-7

> > 08th Pi 07-36 Jup-Sat-Ket

> >

> > + no planet in its star

> > * in its own star

> >

> >

> > 1.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

> >

> > 1) 10-09-1988 (Ju-Mo-Ju-Ra) came in govt job as lecturer

> > 2) 27-10-1991 (Ju-Ra-Ke-Ve) married

> > 3) 14-09-1992 (Ju-Ra-Ma-Ju) birth of a son

> > 4) 29-05-2007 to 05-07-2007 (Sa-Ra-Sa-Ve to Sa-Ra-Sa-Mo) last

time

> foreign visit

> > 5) Nov to end of Dec 2007 (Sa-Ra-Me-Mo to Sa-Ra-Me-Ju) planning

to

> go abroad

> >

> > Sa Dasa: 17-10-1992 to 17-10-2011

> > Sa-Ra: 28-05-2006 to 02-04-2009

> > Sa-Ju: 03-04-2009 to 17-10-2011

> > Me Dasa: 18-10-2011 to 17-10-2028

> >

> > 1.3. QUESTIONS

> >

> > Will I gain through foreign visits? if yes, then what would be

> possible time?

> > Now I am planning to go abroad in Nov to end of December this

year,

> will I gain monetarily?

> > Do you see any change in my professional status?

> >

> > 1.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

> >

> > Empty houses: 1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12

> >

> > Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Me, Ju, Sa

> >

> > Planets in own stars (*): Ra, Ke

> >

> > Me conj 7

> > Ju conj 3

> > Ve conj 6

> > Ra conj 3

> > Ke conj 9

> >

> > Su conj

>

Me �

�

> Ra conj Ju

> >

> > Mo is aspected by

> Ju Ke is

aspected

> by Ju

> >

> > Me aspects 1

> > Ju aspects 7, 9, 11

> > Ve aspects 12

> > Ra aspects 9

> > Ke aspects 3

> >

> > Planet Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10, 12], Asp 7,

> Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> > Starlord of Ke is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10,

> 12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> > Sublord of Ke is Sa+: 4; 6

> > Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10,

> 12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> >

> > Planet Ve: Cnj 6

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

> > Sublord of Ve is Ve: Cnj 6

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7; 1; Cnj Me(7, 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

> >

> > Planet Su:

> > Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> > Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Sublord of Su is Ve: Cnj 6

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7- 2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

> >

> > Planet Mo+: 10-12; Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3)

> > Starlord of Mo is Ma: 5

> > Sublord of Mo is Su:

> > Starlord of Su is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> > Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> >

> > Planet Ma:

> > Starlord of Ma is Ve: 5; Asp 12; Cnj 6

> > Sublord of Ma is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> > Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> >

> > Planet Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-

12],

> Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Sublord of Ra is Sa+: 4; 6

> > Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3-8, Asp Mo[10-

12],

> Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> >

> > Planet Ju+: 3-8; Asp Mo(10-12); Asp 7; Asp 9; Asp 11; Cnj 3

> > Starlord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Sublord of Ju is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> >

> > Planet Sa+: 4; 6

> > Starlord of Sa is Ke*: 9; Sgl Ma(5); Asp by Ju(3, 8, Asp Mo[10-

12],

> Asp 7,

> > Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 3; Cnj 9

> > Sublord of Sa is Ve: Cnj 6

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 7-1; Cnj Me(7-2-11, Asp 1, Cnj 7)

> >

> > Planet Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> > Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> > Sublord of Me is Me+: 7-2-11; Cnj Su(7-1); Asp 1; Cnj 7

> > Starlord of Me is Ra*: 3; Sgl Ve(5, Asp 12, Cnj 6); Cnj Ju(3-8,

Asp

> Mo[10-12], Asp 7, Asp 9, Asp 11, Cnj 3); Asp 9; Cnj 3

> >

> > 1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

> >

> > This is a very wide rage of primary significators generally

> indicating the events in the various combination of DBA chain.

> > Su/Ma/Me/Sa signify all houses except 4.

> > Ra/Ke signify all houses except 1-2.

> > Mo/Ju signify all houses except 1-2-4.

> > Ve signifies 1-2-6-7-11.

> >

> > 2. Life Example Chart 2 (Msg#14710/14777) 2.1. BASIC DATA

> >

> > Khushdev Singla, 03-07-1977, 00:05 AM, Chandigarh (UT), 30N42,

> 76E48,

> > New KP Ayanamsa 23-27-10, Sun Dasa Bal 0Y-0M-0D

> >

> > Pt/Cp-Sg-D-M-Sgl--Stl-Sbl- -H

> > 02nd Ar 21-59 Mar-Ven-Sat Mar Ar 26-02 Mar-Ven-Ket-

2

> Venu Ta 02-28 Ven-Sun-Jup-2

> > 03rd Ta 18-57 Ven-Mon-Mer Jup Ta 26-43 Ven-Mar-Jup-3

> > 04th Ge 12-16 Mer-Rah-Sat Sun Ge 17-17 Mer-Rah-Ven-

> 4 Mer Ge 20-38 Mer-Jup--Jup-4

> > 05th Cn 06-24 Moo-Sat-Mer Sa+ Cn 21-50 Moo-Mer-Sun-5

> > 06th Le 05-58 Sun-Ket-Rah

> > 07th Vi 15-40 Mer-Moo-Sat Rah Vi 26-45 Mer-Mar-Jup-7

> > 08th Li 21-59 Ven-Jup-Sat For Li 08-23 Ven-Rah-

> Rah-8

> > 09th Sc 18-57 Mar-Mer-Ket

> > 10th Sg 12-16 Jup-Ket-Mer

> > 11th Cp 06-24 Sat-Sun-Mer Mo+Cp 10-00 Sat-Sun-Ven-11

> > 12th Aq 05-58 Sat-Mar-Moo

> > 01st Pi 15-40 Jup-Sat-Jup Ket+ Pi 26-45

Jup-

> Mer-Jup-1

> > + no planet in its star

> >

> > 2.2. TIMELINE AND DASA

> >

> > 1) Ra-Ra-Sa: July 1995, got admission in very reputed eng college

> > 2) Ra-Ju-Ra: June1999, managed to clear engineering with much

> difficulty

> > 3) Ra-Sa to Ra-Me-Me: appeared in IAS 3 times till July 2002 but

> couldn't clear it

> > 4) Ra-Me-Me: august 2002 to DEC 2003, worked in an IAS coaching

> institute in partnership with his teacher

> > 5) Ra-Me-Ra: Dec 2003, his partner cheated with him and had to

opt

> out of this institute

> > 6) Ra-Me-Ju: from Dec 2003 to April 2004, under huge depression,

> was idle and sitting in home

> > 7) Ra-Me-Ra to Ra-Me-Ju: April 2004, got a (paper) marriage

> proposal from a daughter of IAS officer who was doing masters in

> Canada

> > 8) Ra-Ke-Ve: February 2005, got a marriage proposal from another

> girl from Canada

> > 9) Ra-Ke-Ve: march 2005, got the job in Airtel and worked there

> till august 2005

> > 10) Ra-Ke-Ju: august 15th 2005, left for USA and joined college

in

> august 2005, however couldn't study there, stayed in USA for 18

> months and couldn't study at all

> > 11) Ra-Ve-Su: august 30th 2006, got divorce from the first girl

> > 12) Ra-Ve-Ma: January 2007, decided to come back to India, the

> second girl didn't like this and broke off from the native

> >

> > Till today the native is on high dose of Anti depression drugs.

At

> present he is doing job in Airtel again with salary of only

Rs10000/.

> >

> > DASA

> >

> > Ra: 03-07-1994 to 03-07-2012

> >

> > Ra-Ra: 03-07-1994 to 14-03-1997

> > Ra-Ju: 15-03-1997 to 08-08-1999

> > Ra-Sa: 09-08-1999 to 14-06-2002

> > Ra-Me:15-06-2002 to 31-12-2004

> > Ra-Ke: 01-01-2005 to 20-01-2006

> > Ra-Ve: 21-01-2006 to 20-01-2009

> > Ra-Su: 21-01-2009 to 14-12-2009

> > Ra-Mo: 15-12-2009 to 14-06-2011

> > Ra-Ma: 15-06-2011 to 03-07-2012

> >

> > Ju: 04-07-2012 to 03-07-2028

> >

> > 2.3. QUESTIONS

> >

> > What do you see in future for my career?

> > When will I get married?

> > How will be my financial status?

> >

> > 2.4. FOUR STEP PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS

> >

> > Empty houses: 6, 8, 9, 10, 12

> >

> > Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa, Ke

> >

> > Planets in own stars (*): Nil

> >

> > Ra is aspected by Ju

> >

> > Sa aspects 2

> >

> > Planet Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)

> > Starlord of Ke is Me: 4

> > Sublord of Ke is Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> >

> > Planet Ve:

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

> > Sublord of Ve is Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> >

> > Planet Su:

> > Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)

> > Sublord of Su is Ve:

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

> >

> > Planet Mo+: 11

> > Starlord of Mo is Su: 4-6

> > Sublord of Mo is Ve:

> > Starlord of Ve is Su: 4-6

> >

> >

> > Planet Ma:

> > Starlord of Ma is Ve: 2-8

> > Sublord of Ma is Ke+: 1; Sgl Ju(3-10)

> > Starlord of Ke is Me: 4

> >

> >

> > Planet Ra:

> > Starlord of Ra is Ma: 2-9

> > Sublord of Ra is Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> >

> > Planet Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> > Sublord of Ju is Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> >

> > Planet Sa+: 5-12; Asp 2

> > Starlord of Sa is Me: 4

> > Sublord of Sa is Su:

> > Starlord of Su is Ra: 7; Sgl Me(4); Stl Ma(2-9); Asp by Ju(3-10)

> >

> >

> > Planet Me:

> > Starlord of Me is Ju: 3-10

> > Sublord of Me is Ju:

> > Starlord of Ju is Ma: 2-9

> >

> > 1.5. SPECEFIC FEATURE

> > Here is a very limited number of primary significators providing

> the insufficient indication for events. Both the current running

Rahu

> Dasa lord and the next coming Jupiter Dasa lord are primarily

> signifying the same 2-9 houses only, indicating the same results

for

> the both Dasa periods.

> >

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Ramesh <ram_t_1968@> wrote:

> >

> > Ramesh <ram_t_1968@>

> > Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as

> representatives of other significators

> >

> > Cc: sunilalaka@

> > Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 4:50 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am still confused on how to use Rahu and Ketu for predictions.

> >

> > Amma Saranam!

> >

> > Regards

> > Ramesh

> > http://www.amma. org

> >

> > "I am working on identifying a parcel of land for a Dutch

investor

> in Bangalore"

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 10:47:15 AM

> > Re: Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as

> representatives of other significators

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear dhanabalan,

> > pl.refer your message# 18082 reproduced here.

> > DearKanak Bosmia,

> > I do appreciate Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar' s effort for the 4 step

> theory. I do accept the 4 step theory and in future I want to give

> prediction based on the 4 step theory. Mr.Sunil has added the

> conjuction and aspects for the planets and for the cusps, which was

> omitted by Mr.KMS. He also stated clearly how to take significator

> for Rahu/Ketu, which was omitted by Mr.KMS. Mr.Sunil has done lot

for

> k.p. and his 4 step theory is an eye opener for k.p.

lovers. Since I

> am more interested in 4 step theory, my comments are only to

improve

> the 4 step theory and not against the 4 step theory.. I request all

> the members to take my comments in the positive sense.

> >

> > Thank you

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

> > dear sir ,now your message says that you are not favaouring sub's

> star.

> > 4step theory is totally developed by me and then who will

misguide

> me?

> > can you clarify?

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/28/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramkumar

> > 1) I am not in favour of sub's star theory. So, I have

omitted

> the first point and answered the second point of Mr.Antariksh.

> > 2) You are considering Ketu as first cuspal starlord, whereas

> Mr.Antariksh considered Ketu as starlord of first cuspal sublord

> saturn.

> > 3) Mr.KSK did not take sub's star anywhere in his examples given.

> So we cannot assume anything as we like.

> > 4) Assume that the lagna is saggitarius, Jupiter(A) is the owner

of

> the houses 1 and 4. Assume that Jupiter is in cancer(Exalted) .

> Assume that Mercury(B) is in Pisces(debilitation ) in the house 4.

> Assume that Mars© is in the star of Jupiter(A).

> > Since Mercury is in Jupiter's house, Jupiter will not signify 4

as

> ownership is the general rule in k.p. This is what you are telling.

> > 5) There is another rule in k.p. that the occupant is not always

> stronger than the owner. In the above example, the owner is

stronger

> (exalted) and the occupant is weaker(debilited) . Under this

> condition, the Jupiter signifies the house 4 also though there is

an

> occupant.

> > 6) I can boldly say that no one followed all the rules stipulated

> by Mr.KSK.. Mr.Sunil Gondhelaker tried his level best to

incorporate

> all the rules of Mr.KSK in the 4 step theory but he was misguided

by

> somebody to consider sublord as planet. I am not finding fault with

> Mr.Gondhelaker. He was misguided.

> >

> > Thank youR.Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > Ramkumar <ramkumaravm@ gmail.com>

> > Fw: Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives

of

> other significators

> > r.dhanabalan@

> > Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:59 AM

> >

> >

> > 

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> >

> > I have a doubt please calrify.

> >

> >

> > 3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star.

> Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

> planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

> signify strongly the first house.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In what manner Ketu signifies the first house ( because Ketu the

> cusp Starlord for the 1st house).

> >

> > I did like the way you brought about the 6 fold significators.

> >

> > Guruji KSK has dealt this in a facinating manner in one example

in

> the Sagar publication book, I remember the topic is "Time of

> >

> > Transfer".

> >

> > I have a doubt in this also if we say a planet's sub is a

> significator then it will operate as per its star lord" this is

where

> the 4th step in the 4-Step theory come in.

> >

> > Please clarify Sir.

> >

> > *(Planetary sub reveals only the status of the Starlord of the

> planet whether it will manifest the connected bhavas or do not

> manifest.)

> >

> > I also do not understand the rule if a sign of a planet A is

> occupied by a planet B then the planet in the star of A will not

> give the results of the sign occupied by B.

> >

> > Guruji, KSK has not mentioned this in his texts.

> >

> > I agree with your statement that Guruji KSK has not deviated much

> from Vedic astrology but has made the area of prediction easy.

> >

> > How to predict - When?, Where? and How? is the objective of

> arriving the significators.

> >

> > When is pure calculation , Where is methodology and How is

> predictive intelligence.

> >

> > Kindly give your valuable comments Sir.

> >

> > It is very nice and refreshing the basic of Kp by dicussing with

> you.

> >

> > Can you please give me your address and phone number.

> >

> > I respect you Sir.

> >

> > I am not putting all my dicussions and clarifications in

> groups because some intervention will corrupt the basics I have

> understood.I fear!!!

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Ramkumar.

> >

> > --- On Sun, 27/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > Re: Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

> other significators

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 7:19 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Antariksh

> >

> >

> >

> > I am giving my view in step by step

> >

> >

> > 1) The orb 3.20' degree is given for conjoined and aspected

planets

> in 4 step theory. It may be streched upto 5 degree and not beyond

> that. Mr.KSK is not in favour of the sign based vedic aspect. In

> k.p.Readers also, the sign based vedic aspect is criticized. Since

> the sun and mercury are beyond the 5 degree orb, I am not

considering

> those planets and I consider only the venus as conjoined planet.

> >

> > 2) There are planets in ketu star. Ketu is not in its own star.

So

> ketu is not a prime significator. Venus also not a prime

> significator.

> >

> > 3) Ketu is in moon sign. There are no planets in moon star.

> Hence, Moon is a prime significator. But in its house, there are

> planets. So, Moon will signify only the first house. Hence Ketu

> signify strongly the first house.

> >

> > 4) Ketu conjoin the cusp 5. Hence, Ketu signify the house 5

> strongly.

> >

> > 5) Ketu is in the star of Mercury. Being the star, Mercury is a

> prime significator. Mercury signiy the houses 3,4 and 6. Hence Ketu

> signifies strongly 3,4 and 6.

> >

> > 6) Ketu is in the sub of Rahu. No planets in the star of Rahu.

> Hence, Rahu is a prime significator. Rahu is conjoined with the

cusp

> 11. So Ketu signifies strongly 11.

> >

> > 7) Rahu is in saturn sign. Saturn is in 5.

> >

> > 8) Ketu is in the sub sub of venus. Venus is not a prime

> significator.

> >

> >

> >

> > In total Ketu signifies strongly 1,3,4,5,6,11. Ketu is not

> signifying 2 and 7 houses. Ketu is not a significator of death.

> >

> >

> >

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Antariksh <antariksh_80@ > wrote:

> >

> > Antariksh <antariksh_80@ >

> > Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of other

> significators

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All -

> >

> > I've a doubt regarding how Rahu/ Ketu work as representatives of

> other significators. Take the following example -

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Planet

> >

> >

> >

> > Longitude

> >

> >

> >

> > Star

> >

> >

> >

> > Pada

> >

> >

> >

> > KP Pointer

> >

> >

> >

> > House

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sun

> >

> >

> >

> > 10° Cn 12' 34.3179"

> >

> >

> >

> > Pushya

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Moo-Sat-Ven- Ket

> >

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mercury

> >

> >

> >

> > 6° Cn 38' 18.3989"

> >

> >

> >

> > Pushya

> >

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> > Moo-Sat-Mer- Rah

> >

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Venus

> >

> >

> >

> > 23° Cn 16' 48.4037"

> >

> >

> >

> > Aslesha

> >

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Moo-Mer-Moo- Sun

> >

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Moon

> >

> >

> >

> > 22° Ar 49' 12.7248"

> >

> >

> >

> > Bharani

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ven-Sat- Ven

> >

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mars

> >

> >

> >

> > 21° Le 17' 39.8286"

> >

> >

> >

> > Poorva Phalguni

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Sun-Ven-Jup- Sun

> >

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jupiter (Retro.)

> >

> >

> >

> > 21° Sa 25' 40.3876"

> >

> >

> >

> > Poorvashada

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Jup-Ven-Jup- Moo

> >

> >

> >

> > 9

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Saturn

> >

> >

> >

> > 13° Le 15' 22.763"

> >

> >

> >

> > Makha

> >

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> > Sun-Ket-Mer- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > 5

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Uranus (Retro.)

> >

> >

> >

> > 28° Aq 25' 59.9757"

> >

> >

> >

> > Poorva Bhadra

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Sat-Jup-Ven- Mer

> >

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Neptune (Retro.)

> >

> >

> >

> > 29° Cp 29' 37.4515"

> >

> >

> >

> > Dhanishta

> >

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Sat-Mar-Sat- Rah

> >

> >

> >

> > 11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Pluto (Retro.)

> >

> >

> >

> > 5° Sa 5' 31.0385"

> >

> >

> >

> > Moola

> >

> >

> >

> > 2

> >

> >

> >

> > Jup-Ket-Mar- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > 8

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Rahu

> >

> >

> >

> > 25° Cp 27' 30.1262"

> >

> >

> >

> > Dhanishta

> >

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> > Sat-Mar-Rah- Ven

> >

> >

> >

> > 10

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ketu

> >

> >

> >

> > 25° Cn 27' 30.1262"

> >

> >

> >

> > Aslesha

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Moo-Mer-Rah- Ven

> >

> >

> >

> > 4

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Lagna

> >

> >

> >

> > 9° Ar 20' 0.36"

> >

> >

> >

> > Aswini

> >

> >

> >

> > 3

> >

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > 1

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cusps

> >

> >

> >

> > Longitude

> >

> >

> >

> > Star

> >

> >

> >

> > KP Pointer

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I

> >

> >

> >

> > 9° Ar 20' 0.36"

> >

> >

> >

> > Aswini

> >

> >

> >

> > Mar-Ket-Sat- Sat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > II

> >

> >

> >

> > 9° Ta 53' 11.5516"

> >

> >

> >

> > Krittika

> >

> >

> >

> > Ven-Sun-Ven- Ket

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > III

> >

> >

> >

> > 5° Ge 19' 6.0261"

> >

> >

> >

> > Mrigasiras

> >

> >

> >

> > Mer-Mar-Sun- Mer

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > IV

> >

> >

> >

> > 29° Ge 54' 26.9456"

> >

> >

> >

> > Punarvasu

> >

> >

> >

> > Mer-Jup-Moo- Jup

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > V

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> > 0° Vi 44' 51.17"

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> > 9° Li 20' 0.36"

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> > 9° Sc 53' 11.5516"

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> > 5° Sa 19' 6.0261"

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> > 29° Sa 54' 26.9456"

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> > 27° Cp 20' 55.2079"

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> > 0° Pi 44' 51.17"

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> > 21° Cp 56' 38.767"

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> > Shravana

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> > Sat-Moo-Ven- Sat

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> > In the above horary chart, Rahu is aspected by Sun, Venus and

> Mercury, and it's in star of Mars and in house of Saturn; similarly

> Ketu is conjoined by Sun, Venus and Mercury and it's in

constellation

> of Mercury and in house of Moon. Therefore Rahu acts as an agent of

> Sun, Venus and Mercury and Ketu also acts as an agent of Sun, Venus

> and Mercury, if we follow the below rules by KSK -

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> > Rahu/Ketu Rules by Guruji KSK

> > (KP Reader III, Old Edition/OE/, Part 1, page 123/NewEdition /NE/

> page 130; KP Reader V, 1983, page 123)

> > 1) Rahu or Kethu indicates the results of planet which it

> isconjoined;

> > 2) If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets

aspectingit;

> > 3) If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of

> theconstellation in which it is deposited;

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> > 4) Lastly the result of the sign in which it is deposited.

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> > Now if we judge the time of death of the querant, we have to find

> whether the star lord (ketu) of the sub lord of ascendant (saturn)

is

> a significator of 2nd, 7th and 11th house (badhaka sthana - as

it's a

> movable sign). But here Ketu is not a significator of 2nd, 7th or

> 11th, but being an agent of Venus (signifies II, VII), Sun(XI) and

> Mercury (XI) - Ketu signifies all three houses. Therefore my

question

> is whether thus Ketu becomes a significator of death?

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> > Please clarify my doubt.

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> > Regards,

> > Antariksh

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