Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystem we the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The book he is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or six readers of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help of beginners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 The KP books 2 volumes of 1966 are not complete in all respects. Better to follow the 6 volumes, or the Aticles by tinwin "kp for beginners" See file section raichur anant mumbai--- On Mon, 7/28/08, swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer wrote: swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer confusion to beginners Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 6:53 PM After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help ofbeginners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Dear Swaminathan, Mr.Dhanabalan refers to a book witten by somebody else...which is hardly related to the original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...much less is it Original K.P. ! It is only an attempt by somebody to pass it off as the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati... and perhaps Mr.Dhanabalan has swallowed the bait,and bought the book... I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THE MATTER... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer Sent: Monday, 28 July, 2008 6:53:06 PM confusion to beginners After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help ofbeginners Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 dear swaynathan, the messages by mr.dhanabalan are based on book publised in 1966.current year is 2008.42 yrs are passed.so better stick to 6 readers or better switch over to 4 step theory. -sunil gondhalekar , " swamynathaniyer " <swamynathaniyer wrote: > > After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystem > we the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The book > he is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or six > readers of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help of > beginners > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Ramkimar Mr.KSK has not invented any ayanamsa. He used the Newcombe ayanamsa. No one knows how Mr.Newcombe calculated the ayanamsa. How Mr.KSK has choosen that only Newcombe ayanamsa is correct is not known to anyone. He published some ayanamsa which was closer to C.G.Rajan's ayanamsa and claimed as his ayanamsa. Fyrther, while going through the book Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of 1966, there are lot of discrepencies one can see. 1) He has choosen the moon sign as lagna when the moon sign is stronger than lagna. He gave many predictions and got the title "Jothida Martand" and "Gold Medal". After that he has withdrawn the moon sign eventhough the lagna is afflicted. In otherway, the predictions already given based on moon sign are false. 2) He criticized the sign based vedic aspect. He stated that western aspect will give accurate prediction. But in the book published in 1966, mostly vedic aspect has been used to predict. Even some k.p.astrologers is using the sign based vedic aspect without considering the orb. Even in the k.p.Readers published after 1972 and after so many editions, still using the vedic sign based aspect system without considering the orb. And in this group, decided to continue to use the vedic aspect. In 4 step theory also the vedic aspect is being used with an orb of 3.20' degree. Why Mr.KSK did not use the western aspect in k.p. for prediction or his sons till date. They have no confidence on the western aspect. They criticized the vedic aspect but continued to using. 3) Mr.KSK never ever used the sub's star in his book oublished in 1966. Without taking sub's star, he could give correct prediction and received the awards. Did he anywhere prove that the sub's star theory is better than the system published in 1966. Whether the predictions already given without considering the sub's star are false. 4) Mr.KSK advocated six fold general significator table. How many k.p. astrologers are using the six fold table. The k.p.Readers misguided all the k.p.lovers by publishing 4 fold general significator table. I can say with evidence from those Readers itself that the k.p.Readers III, V and VI were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, somebody has written. 5) Mr.KSK said that the house starts at the cusp itself is the correct system, which is being followed by the westerners. He claimed that the vedic bhava madhya is not correct.But later he said that the planets within 5 degree orb will give the results of the next house. The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of persons. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. Then where is the weakest point? It only in the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. How can one say that the vedic madhya bhava system is wrong. 6) Mr.KSK said that the placidous method of dividing the house is correct. Placidus system is an improved system than the Sripadhi system. Sripathy developed the system in the eleventh century. Due to scientific advancement, the sripathy system has been modified. Tomorrow some other better method may come to replace the placidous method. 7) In worldwide Lahari ayanamsam is followed except the k.p.astrologers. Even the "Vasan Thirukanitha panchangam", salem "Srinivasan Panchangam" have switched over to Lahari. Mr.KMS and Mr.Mohan were using the Lahari ayanamsam in the name of Newcombe straight line ayanamsam. Difference between these two are negligible. 8) Since Mr.KSK's sons published all the books based on the old ayanamsa, they want to stick to the same old ayanamsa on commercial basis. They stopped further discussion about ayanamsa in this group. 9) In the volume II of sagar publication, Mr.KSK used Sripathi bhava(Bhava mathi) in one example, he used sayana system in another example, used equal bhava system in another example. He is telling onething and doing otherthing. He said that the placidious method is correct but using vedic house division in his examples and claiming that he gave correct prediction. 10) Though he stated the rules for Rahu/Ketu, he did not follow the rule in his examples. Even then he claimed that he gave correct prdiction. 11) Mr.KSK said that the birth time can be corrected with the help of Ruling Planets. But this group proved that it is inconsistant and not reliable. 12) The discussion on the subject 360 days or 365.24 days per year for dasa calculation is closed in this forum. The ayanamsa issue is not yet closed in this forum. Only the editor of Astrology and athirsta has closed. It will not control the members of this forum. They cannot control our members to discuss about ayanamsa. Mr.KSK's sons are interested in this issue and they are biased. 13) Mr.KSK' son Mr.Hariharan claimed that the western aspect is not giving results with his experience. What research they have done for the improvement of k.p. 14) I am giving my views in this group only in the interest of the members and not to blame anybody. I want to improve the k.p.system. The k.p.Readers are the hurdles for the improvement of the k.p.system. R.Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote: Ramkumar <ramkumaravmRe: confusion to beginners , raichurar, swamynathaniyer.Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:59 AM My sincere opinion is all the books of Guruji has to be read for understanding the system. We cannot say that any thing is complete or incomplete as astrology is ocean and all are tasting only a drop of it. The reasearch done by Guruji KSK is vast and it is presented in all readers whether in the books published in Sagar Publications or Krishnamurthi publications. Those who are studying this system it is my sincere advise to get it from a Guru who is a KP astrologer but once a tradtional astrologer. Without a Guru you cannot stream line your learning and in grasping the rules. Please do not get deviated to any new concepts of KP as they say advancement in KP. Nothing is advancement in KP other than the readers. If the rules followed in the readers are followed strictly you can arrive at correct predictions. I have experienced it. When i peeped my interest into KB cuspal theory , Advancement in KP so called 4 step theory i was not successful. This is my experience. KP is KP please do not get deviated from the orginality. People have limited the usage of KP. If anybody who would have had experienced with Mr.Subramaniam (2nd son of KP) they will understand actually the efficacy of this system. He himself has shared that the predictive methodoly in traditional is not upto the mark but the subject cannot be omitted. Jai Guruji --- On Mon, 28/7/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: confusion to beginners Date: Monday, 28 July, 2008, 7:41 PM The KP books 2 volumes of 1966 are not complete in all respects. Better to follow the 6 volumes, or the Aticles by tinwin "kp for beginners" See file section raichur anant mumbai --- On Mon, 7/28/08, swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> wrote: swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> confusion to beginners@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 , 6:53 PM After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help ofbeginners Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity · 13 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. 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Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Ramkumar 1) How can you say that Mr.KSK gave concrete results. He, himself did not follow his own rules and guidelines which were advocated to others. It is evident from his books published in 1966 and the K.P.Readers III, V and VI. Every one of this group is aware of it. I have cited mny area. How was it possible to give correct predictions without following his own guidelines. He had no confidence in his own rules. Hence I am not agreeing your statement that he is the only astrologer who could give concrete rule. 2) I agree that “A planet offers the result of its starlord and the results are decided by the sublord.” There is no second opinion in it. Even the vedic astrologers agree this point. The sublord system is in vedic even before the birth of Mr.KSK. In the same dasa period, the buckthi is changing the result is known to every body. The buckthi lord is the sublord of Moon. Antharam is sub sub lord of Moon. Sootsama is sub sub sub of Moon. Everything is already in vedic. Mr.KSK could not claim that he is the inventor of the sublord system. Navamsa is also a sub theory dividing the star into four parts. Actually Mr.Rao (Meena) has derived 243 subs, later Mr.KSK added 6 subs for the purpose of Horary. 3) No doubt that you gave correct predictions. If we follow the correct rules and guidelines we can give correct predictions. 4) I do not agree that Mr.KSK revealed the secrets of RP. The RP system is there in vedic even before the birth of Mr.KSK. He has mentioned in his book that where he has taken. Instead of Navamsa lagna lord, he used the day lord in the R.P. 5) One should be thorough in vedic system before entering into k.p.system. K.P. is an advanced level of vedic system incorporating all the vedic rules. Mr.KSK did not deviate much from vedic system. The so called western aspect also is in our vedic system in the name of Tajak. Most of the students of k.p. have no basic knowledge in vedic system and understood the k.p. wrongly and are giving wrong predictions, later blaming the k.p.system. It is actually going on. 6) Every astrologer claims that they are giving 100% correct prediction but actually it is not true. It is a commercial secret. The persons writing articles in the magazine need not be a good astrologer. It is also applicable to Mr.KSK and K.M.Subramaniam. How was it possible for Mr.KMS to give correct predictions without considering the rule of conjoin, aspect, cusp conjoin, cusp aspect of Rahu/Ketu and other planets. How was it possible for KMS to give correct predictions with the ayanamsa closer to Lahari, which is not acceptable to the editor of Astrology and Arista. Why the editors have published Mr.KMS's article "sublord speaks" in their magazine. 7) I do not agree the cuspal interlink system using sub’s star. I am not in favour of any cuspal interlink theory. I have purchased all the books of Mr.Baskaran on cuspal interlink and studied. He did not consider the conjoin and aspect. The cuspal interlink needs accurate birth time than k.p. I am not satisfied with the method of birth time correction by them. The cuspal interlink system is not reliable. 8) Already some of our members complained in this group that Mr.KSK’s son gave wrong predictions after getting Rs.250. I do not consider Mr.Subramaniam and Mr.Hariharan as good astrologer. I consider them as booksellers only. R.Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote: Ramkumar <ramkumaravmRe: confusion to beginnersr.dhanabalan, "kpsystem groups" Cc: swamynathaniyer, raichurarDate: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 8:46 AM Dear Sir, What ever it is, he is the only astrologer who could give the concerete rule. A planet offers the result of its starlord and the results are decided by the sublord. I have predicted many events to my clients to the timing, using the above simple rule bestowed by Guruji. KSK. He has revealed the secrets of RP. One can become a very good astrologer by taking the above two factors and binding it with traditional concepts with limitation. You have given much reference, but for me the above two factors are more than enough to be known as an astrologer. Iam not a researcher in Astrology but a astrologer practicising commercially so, as for that, I bow my head to KP and its inventor. Please have a experience with Mr.Subramaniam (second son of Kp) who could tell you what, when and how about any thing within a second. Always my prayers to Guruji and great regards to his son Mr.Subramaniam. Thanks and Regards, Ramkumar. - Dhanabalan R Ramkumar ; kpsystem groups Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:59 AM Re: confusion to beginners Dear Ramkimar Mr.KSK has not invented any ayanamsa. He used the Newcombe ayanamsa. No one knows how Mr.Newcombe calculated the ayanamsa. How Mr.KSK has choosen that only Newcombe ayanamsa is correct is not known to anyone. He published some ayanamsa which was closer to C.G.Rajan's ayanamsa and claimed as his ayanamsa. Fyrther, while going through the book Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of 1966, there are lot of discrepencies one can see. 1) He has choosen the moon sign as lagna when the moon sign is stronger than lagna. He gave many predictions and got the title "Jothida Martand" and "Gold Medal". After that he has withdrawn the moon sign eventhough the lagna is afflicted. In otherway, the predictions already given based on moon sign are false. 2) He criticized the sign based vedic aspect. He stated that western aspect will give accurate prediction. But in the book published in 1966, mostly vedic aspect has been used to predict. Even some k.p.astrologers is using the sign based vedic aspect without considering the orb. Even in the k.p.Readers published after 1972 and after so many editions, still using the vedic sign based aspect system without considering the orb. And in this group, decided to continue to use the vedic aspect. In 4 step theory also the vedic aspect is being used with an orb of 3.20' degree. Why Mr.KSK did not use the western aspect in k.p. for prediction or his sons till date. They have no confidence on the western aspect. They criticized the vedic aspect but continued to using. 3) Mr.KSK never ever used the sub's star in his book oublished in 1966. Without taking sub's star, he could give correct prediction and received the awards. Did he anywhere prove that the sub's star theory is better than the system published in 1966. Whether the predictions already given without considering the sub's star are false. 4) Mr.KSK advocated six fold general significator table. How many k.p. astrologers are using the six fold table. The k.p.Readers misguided all the k.p.lovers by publishing 4 fold general significator table. I can say with evidence from those Readers itself that the k.p.Readers III, V and VI were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, somebody has written. 5) Mr.KSK said that the house starts at the cusp itself is the correct system, which is being followed by the westerners. He claimed that the vedic bhava madhya is not correct.But later he said that the planets within 5 degree orb will give the results of the next house. The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of persons. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. Then where is the weakest point? It only in the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. How can one say that the vedic madhya bhava system is wrong. 6) Mr.KSK said that the placidous method of dividing the house is correct. Placidus system is an improved system than the Sripadhi system. Sripathy developed the system in the eleventh century. Due to scientific advancement, the sripathy system has been modified. Tomorrow some other better method may come to replace the placidous method. 7) In worldwide Lahari ayanamsam is followed except the k.p.astrologers. Even the "Vasan Thirukanitha panchangam", salem "Srinivasan Panchangam" have switched over to Lahari. Mr.KMS and Mr.Mohan were using the Lahari ayanamsam in the name of Newcombe straight line ayanamsam. Difference between these two are negligible. 8) Since Mr.KSK's sons published all the books based on the old ayanamsa, they want to stick to the same old ayanamsa on commercial basis. They stopped further discussion about ayanamsa in this group. 9) In the volume II of sagar publication, Mr.KSK used Sripathi bhava(Bhava mathi) in one example, he used sayana system in another example, used equal bhava system in another example. He is telling onething and doing otherthing. He said that the placidious method is correct but using vedic house division in his examples and claiming that he gave correct prediction. 10) Though he stated the rules for Rahu/Ketu, he did not follow the rule in his examples. Even then he claimed that he gave correct prdiction. 11) Mr.KSK said that the birth time can be corrected with the help of Ruling Planets. But this group proved that it is inconsistant and not reliable. 12) The discussion on the subject 360 days or 365.24 days per year for dasa calculation is closed in this forum. The ayanamsa issue is not yet closed in this forum. Only the editor of Astrology and athirsta has closed. It will not control the members of this forum. They cannot control our members to discuss about ayanamsa. Mr.KSK's sons are interested in this issue and they are biased. 13) Mr.KSK' son Mr.Hariharan claimed that the western aspect is not giving results with his experience. What research they have done for the improvement of k.p. 14) I am giving my views in this group only in the interest of the members and not to blame anybody. I want to improve the k.p.system. The k.p.Readers are the hurdles for the improvement of the k.p.system. R.Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote: Ramkumar <ramkumaravmRe: confusion to beginners , raichurar, swamynathaniyer.Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:59 AM My sincere opinion is all the books of Guruji has to be read for understanding the system. We cannot say that any thing is complete or incomplete as astrology is ocean and all are tasting only a drop of it. The reasearch done by Guruji KSK is vast and it is presented in all readers whether in the books published in Sagar Publications or Krishnamurthi publications. Those who are studying this system it is my sincere advise to get it from a Guru who is a KP astrologer but once a tradtional astrologer. Without a Guru you cannot stream line your learning and in grasping the rules. Please do not get deviated to any new concepts of KP as they say advancement in KP. Nothing is advancement in KP other than the readers. If the rules followed in the readers are followed strictly you can arrive at correct predictions. I have experienced it. When i peeped my interest into KB cuspal theory , Advancement in KP so called 4 step theory i was not successful. This is my experience. KP is KP please do not get deviated from the orginality. People have limited the usage of KP. If anybody who would have had experienced with Mr.Subramaniam (2nd son of KP) they will understand actually the efficacy of this system. He himself has shared that the predictive methodoly in traditional is not upto the mark but the subject cannot be omitted. Jai Guruji --- On Mon, 28/7/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: confusion to beginners Date: Monday, 28 July, 2008, 7:41 PM The KP books 2 volumes of 1966 are not complete in all respects. Better to follow the 6 volumes, or the Aticles by tinwin "kp for beginners" See file section raichur anant mumbai --- On Mon, 7/28/08, swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> wrote: swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> confusion to beginners@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 , 6:53 PM After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help ofbeginners Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity · 13 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Yogesh Rao What I referring is original book of Mr.KSK. No doubt in it. You can trust me. There is no need to lie. R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: confusion to beginners Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:36 PM Dear Swaminathan, Mr.Dhanabalan refers to a book witten by somebody else...which is hardly related to the original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...much less is it Original K.P. ! It is only an attempt by somebody to pass it off as the Original Krishnamurthi Padhdhati... and perhaps Mr.Dhanabalan has swallowed the bait,and bought the book... I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THE MATTER... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in>@gro ups.comMonday, 28 July, 2008 6:53:06 PM confusion to beginners After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? Could somebody come to the help ofbeginners Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Dear DhanbalanI am extremely happy to see ur bold approach and telling the truth in plain words.There are very few people who have such guts. I do agree that the sons of KSK, are not astrologers, rather they are publishers and booksellers.UrsPadmakshaa--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: confusion to beginners"Ramkumar" <ramkumaravm, "kpsystem groups" Cc: swamynathaniyer, raichurarDate: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 9:20 PMDear Ramkumar 1) How can you say that Mr.KSK gave concrete results. He, himself did not follow his own rules and guidelines which were advocated to others. It is evident from his books published in 1966 and the K.P.Readers III, V and VI. Every one of this group is aware of it. I have cited mny area. How was it possible to give correct predictions without following his own guidelines. He had no confidence in his own rules. Hence I am not agreeing your statement that he is the only astrologer who could give concrete rule. 2) I agree that “A planet offers the result of its starlord and the results are decided by the sublord.” There is no second opinion in it. Even the vedic astrologers agree this point. The sublord system is in vedic even before the birth of Mr.KSK. In the same dasa period, the buckthi is changing the result is known to every body. The buckthi lord is the sublord of Moon. Antharam is sub sub lord of Moon. Sootsama is sub sub sub of Moon. Everything is already in vedic. Mr.KSK could not claim that he is the inventor of the sublord system. Navamsa is also a sub theory dividing the star into four parts. Actually Mr.Rao (Meena) has derived 243 subs, later Mr.KSK added 6 subs for the purpose of Horary. 3) No doubt that you gave correct predictions. If we follow the correct rules and guidelines we can give correct predictions. 4) I do not agree that Mr.KSK revealed the secrets of RP. The RP system is there in vedic even before the birth of Mr.KSK. He has mentioned in his book that where he has taken. Instead of Navamsa lagna lord, he used the day lord in the R.P. 5) One should be thorough in vedic system before entering into k.p.system. K.P. is an advanced level of vedic system incorporating all the vedic rules. Mr.KSK did not deviate much from vedic system. The so called western aspect also is in our vedic system in the name of Tajak. Most of the students of k.p. have no basic knowledge in vedic system and understood the k.p. wrongly and are giving wrong predictions, later blaming the k.p.system. It is actually going on. 6) Every astrologer claims that they are giving 100% correct prediction but actually it is not true. It is a commercial secret. The persons writing articles in the magazine need not be a good astrologer. It is also applicable to Mr.KSK and K.M.Subramaniam. How was it possible for Mr.KMS to give correct predictions without considering the rule of conjoin, aspect, cusp conjoin, cusp aspect of Rahu/Ketu and other planets. How was it possible for KMS to give correct predictions with the ayanamsa closer to Lahari, which is not acceptable to the editor of Astrology and Arista. Why the editors have published Mr.KMS's article "sublord speaks" in their magazine. 7) I do not agree the cuspal interlink system using sub’s star. I am not in favour of any cuspal interlink theory. I have purchased all the books of Mr.Baskaran on cuspal interlink and studied. He did not consider the conjoin and aspect. The cuspal interlink needs accurate birth time than k.p. I am not satisfied with the method of birth time correction by them. The cuspal interlink system is not reliable. 8) Already some of our members complained in this group that Mr.KSK’s son gave wrong predictions after getting Rs.250. I do not consider Mr.Subramaniam and Mr.Hariharan as good astrologer. I consider them as booksellers only. R.Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote: Ramkumar <ramkumaravmRe: confusion to beginnersr.dhanabalan, "kpsystem groups" Cc: swamynathaniyer, raichurarDate: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 8:46 AM Dear Sir, What ever it is, he is the only astrologer who could give the concerete rule. A planet offers the result of its starlord and the results are decided by the sublord. I have predicted many events to my clients to the timing, using the above simple rule bestowed by Guruji. KSK. He has revealed the secrets of RP. One can become a very good astrologer by taking the above two factors and binding it with traditional concepts with limitation. You have given much reference, but for me the above two factors are more than enough to be known as an astrologer. Iam not a researcher in Astrology but a astrologer practicising commercially so, as for that, I bow my head to KP and its inventor. Please have a experience with Mr.Subramaniam (second son of Kp) who could tell you what, when and how about any thing within a second. Always my prayers to Guruji and great regards to his son Mr.Subramaniam. Thanks and Regards, Ramkumar. - Dhanabalan R Ramkumar ; kpsystem groups Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:59 AM Re: confusion to beginners Dear Ramkimar Mr.KSK has not invented any ayanamsa. He used the Newcombe ayanamsa. No one knows how Mr.Newcombe calculated the ayanamsa. How Mr.KSK has choosen that only Newcombe ayanamsa is correct is not known to anyone. He published some ayanamsa which was closer to C.G.Rajan's ayanamsa and claimed as his ayanamsa. Fyrther, while going through the book Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of 1966, there are lot of discrepencies one can see. 1) He has choosen the moon sign as lagna when the moon sign is stronger than lagna. He gave many predictions and got the title "Jothida Martand" and "Gold Medal". After that he has withdrawn the moon sign eventhough the lagna is afflicted. In otherway, the predictions already given based on moon sign are false. 2) He criticized the sign based vedic aspect. He stated that western aspect will give accurate prediction. But in the book published in 1966, mostly vedic aspect has been used to predict. Even some k.p.astrologers is using the sign based vedic aspect without considering the orb. Even in the k.p.Readers published after 1972 and after so many editions, still using the vedic sign based aspect system without considering the orb. And in this group, decided to continue to use the vedic aspect. In 4 step theory also the vedic aspect is being used with an orb of 3.20' degree. Why Mr.KSK did not use the western aspect in k.p. for prediction or his sons till date. They have no confidence on the western aspect. They criticized the vedic aspect but continued to using. 3) Mr.KSK never ever used the sub's star in his book oublished in 1966. Without taking sub's star, he could give correct prediction and received the awards. Did he anywhere prove that the sub's star theory is better than the system published in 1966. Whether the predictions already given without considering the sub's star are false. 4) Mr.KSK advocated six fold general significator table. How many k.p. astrologers are using the six fold table. The k.p.Readers misguided all the k.p.lovers by publishing 4 fold general significator table. I can say with evidence from those Readers itself that the k.p.Readers III, V and VI were not written by Mr.KSK. In the name of Mr.KSK, somebody has written. 5) Mr.KSK said that the house starts at the cusp itself is the correct system, which is being followed by the westerners. He claimed that the vedic bhava madhya is not correct.But later he said that the planets within 5 degree orb will give the results of the next house. The vedic astrologers are using 15 degree orb, which is correct. Mr.KSK agreed that the cusp is the strongest point and sensitive point and will decide the fate of persons. Vedic astrologers also agreed the same. There is no difference of opinion in it. Then where is the weakest point? It only in the middle of two cusps. i.e. 15 degree from the cusp. The vedic astrologers are saying that this point is bhava sandhi, and a planet in the bhava sandhi will not give result to any bhava. How can one say that the vedic madhya bhava system is wrong. 6) Mr.KSK said that the placidous method of dividing the house is correct. Placidus system is an improved system than the Sripadhi system. Sripathy developed the system in the eleventh century. Due to scientific advancement, the sripathy system has been modified. Tomorrow some other better method may come to replace the placidous method. 7) In worldwide Lahari ayanamsam is followed except the k.p.astrologers. Even the "Vasan Thirukanitha panchangam", salem "Srinivasan Panchangam" have switched over to Lahari. Mr.KMS and Mr.Mohan were using the Lahari ayanamsam in the name of Newcombe straight line ayanamsam. Difference between these two are negligible. 8) Since Mr.KSK's sons published all the books based on the old ayanamsa, they want to stick to the same old ayanamsa on commercial basis. They stopped further discussion about ayanamsa in this group. 9) In the volume II of sagar publication, Mr.KSK used Sripathi bhava(Bhava mathi) in one example, he used sayana system in another example, used equal bhava system in another example. He is telling onething and doing otherthing. He said that the placidious method is correct but using vedic house division in his examples and claiming that he gave correct prediction. 10) Though he stated the rules for Rahu/Ketu, he did not follow the rule in his examples. Even then he claimed that he gave correct prdiction. 11) Mr.KSK said that the birth time can be corrected with the help of Ruling Planets. But this group proved that it is inconsistant and not reliable. 12) The discussion on the subject 360 days or 365.24 days per year for dasa calculation is closed in this forum. The ayanamsa issue is not yet closed in this forum. Only the editor of Astrology and athirsta has closed. It will not control the members of this forum. They cannot control our members to discuss about ayanamsa. Mr.KSK's sons are interested in this issue and they are biased. 13) Mr.KSK' son Mr.Hariharan claimed that the western aspect is not giving results with his experience. What research they have done for the improvement of k.p. 14) I am giving my views in this group only in the interest of the members and not to blame anybody. I want to improve the k.p.system. The k.p.Readers are the hurdles for the improvement of the k.p.system. R.Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ramkumar <ramkumaravm wrote: Ramkumar <ramkumaravmRe: confusion to beginners , raichurar, swamynathaniyer.Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:59 AM My sincere opinion is all the books of Guruji has to be read for understanding the system. We cannot say that any thing is complete or incomplete as astrology is ocean and all are tasting only a drop of it. The reasearch done by Guruji KSK is vast and it is presented in all readers whether in the books published in Sagar Publications or Krishnamurthi publications. Those who are studying this system it is my sincere advise to get it from a Guru who is a KP astrologer but once a tradtional astrologer. Without a Guru you cannot stream line your learning and in grasping the rules. Please do not get deviated to any new concepts of KP as they say advancement in KP. Nothing is advancement in KP other than the readers. If the rules followed in the readers are followed strictly you can arrive at correct predictions. I have experienced it. When i peeped my interest into KB cuspal theory , Advancement in KP so called 4 step theory i was not successful. This is my experience. KP is KP please do not get deviated from the orginality. People have limited the usage of KP. If anybody who would have had experienced with Mr.Subramaniam (2nd son of KP) they will understand actually the efficacy of this system. He himself has shared that the predictive methodoly in traditional is not upto the mark but the subject cannot be omitted. Jai Guruji --- On Mon, 28/7/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: confusion to beginners Date: Monday, 28 July, 2008, 7:41 PM The KP books 2 volumes of 1966 are not complete in all respects. Better to follow the 6 volumes, or the Aticles by tinwin "kp for beginners" See file section raichur anant mumbai --- On Mon, 7/28/08, swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> wrote: swamynathaniyer <swamynathaniyer@ .co. in> confusion to beginners@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 , 6:53 PM After seeing the posts by Mr Dhanabalan on various points of KPsystemwe the beginners are confused lot. Our heads start reeling. The bookhe is mentioning by Sagar Publications should be followed or sixreaders of KP should be followed?? 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