Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am, by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16¢50¢¢ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha BTR by a KP Student Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Dear Kalyan, Your process of BTR appears to be very correct. But what ayanamsa are you using? Accordin to me the ayanamsa on the date of birth ought to be about 23-49-05. Some may differ in seconds. Yours is almost equal to that of Lahiri. Please check. Almost every one now useses New KP ayanamsa. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha BTR by a KP Student Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Please verify the corrected TOB with timing of Known Facts. raichur anant mumbai--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha BTR by a KP Student Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 8:56 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan, The exact TOB is the one,when,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the st.lord and sub-lord of the Moon. ! You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc., and the Chapters on Rectification of Birth Time,in Astrosecrets & K.P., by Mr.K.Subramaniam... Perhaps you are quoting from some other author's book... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Monday, 28 July, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16’50’’ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Pranam,Dear Dr.Luthar,Thank U very much and very happy to hear the correctness of my very first trial. For your information, I have used the SW, Astro Soft 2008,developed and presented by Mr. Nagesh Sathis Rajesh sivasankar at, sankar_kp_astro, which is freely available in the File section of our group.Unfortunately it dose'nt show the Ayanamsha and I thought it is KP. as it has been recently developed ie 2008.Further I erected a chart using "FREEHOR.exe" , which is also available in the File section, for the same TOB and it showed Ayanamsa as 23.49.01 and out puts are as follows.SW Astro Soft 2008 - Asc. Vir 15.23.50SW Freehor - Asc. Vir 15.23.48Sir, please continue yr attention on my trial and do the necessary to manure my brain.The developer of Astro Soft 2008 too, may help us to verify the Ayanamsa.Om Tat SatSunaparanthaLuther Rath <rathluther Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:17:39 PMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear Kalyan,Your process of BTR appears to be very correct. But what ayanamsa are you using?Accordin to me the ayanamsa on the date of birth ought to be about 23-49-05. Some may differ in seconds. Yours is almost equal to that of Lahiri. Please check. Almost every one now useses New KP ayanamsa. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all membersBeing a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct.Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exactTOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am ,by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the membersto see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Pranam,Dear Mr.Dhanabalan,Thank U very much for your commencements on my very first trial. But U have misunderstood the given detail in my mail.1. The given TOB is 10.26AM. But that is an advanced Sri Lanka S.T. by 30 Min. So it should be read as 09.56AM2. The Time Zone is +5.30, not 6.00 Native is a FemalePl. do excuse and go through once again and advise me to be a skilled KP Astrologer like U.Om Tat Sat.SunaparanthaDhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP StudentDear SunaparanthaYou have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00;KPNA(2003) ayanamasaAsc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - MeStar Ld - MoSub Ld - SaSub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software)Sign Ld - MaStar Ld - JuSub Ld - MaSub Sub Ld - MeAscedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon.Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 amNow find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16¢50¢¢ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. RegardsR.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all membersBeing a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct.DetailDOB - 2003.08.06*TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native)POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri LankaLat. 07.03Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exactTOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am ,by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - MeStar Ld - MoSub Ld - SaSub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07Sign Ld - MaStar Ld - JuSub Ld - MaSub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down.When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50Sign Ld - MeStar Ld - MoSub Ld - JuSub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - MaStar Ld - JuSub Ld - MaSub Sub Ld - SaNow the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the membersto see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Dear Yogesh Rao You advised me to read prenatal epoch. “You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc.,”. Mr.KSK has explained about the pre-natal-epoch in page number 403 of volume II of sagar publications. I am reproducing his comments about pre-natal-epoch. “Much is said about this. Very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all…….Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers.” The pre-natal-epoch theory was invented by a foreigner and not by Mr.KSK. Mr.KSK did not accept the pre-natal-epoch theory. R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: BTR by a KP Student Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:53 PM Dear Dhanabalan, The exact TOB is the one,when,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the st.lord and sub-lord of the Moon. ! You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc., and the Chapters on Rectification of Birth Time,in Astrosecrets & K.P.., by Mr.K.Subramaniam. .. Perhaps you are quoting from some other author's book... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comMonday, 28 July, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16’50’’ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Dear Dhanabalan, I have referred you to a K.P.Book on advanced stellar astrolgy written by the late M.P.Shanmugham and edited by KSK's second son, Mr. K.Subramaniam..."Astrosecrets & K.P." Have you read this book ? Pl. read and then comment...the rationale for why a birth-chart is deemed correct if the sub-lord of the Ascendant appears as the Moon's star-lord is explained... I am aware that SP Khullar has given his own(borrowed ?) method for Birth Time rectification...how corect it is one is not aware,only time will tell... L.Y.Rao. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 7:15:14 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Yogesh Rao You advised me to read prenatal epoch. “You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc.,â€. Mr.KSK has explained about the pre-natal-epoch in page number 403 of volume II of sagar publications. I am reproducing his comments about pre-natal-epoch. “Much is said about this. Very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all…….Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers.†The pre-natal-epoch theory was invented by a foreigner and not by Mr.KSK. Mr.KSK did not accept the pre-natal-epoch theory. R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 2:53 PM Dear Dhanabalan, The exact TOB is the one,when,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the st.lord and sub-lord of the Moon. ! You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc., and the Chapters on Rectification of Birth Time,in Astrosecrets & K.P.., by Mr.K.Subramaniam. .. Perhaps you are quoting from some other author's book... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comMonday, 28 July, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16’50’’ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Check out the all-new face of India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Dear Yogesh Rao You asked me to read about pre-natal-epoch which was neglected by Mr.KSK as not correct. I have all the three parts of Astrosecret and I have read it. Everything were already discussed in this group by our members. Please recall from file section and verify yourself. R.Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: BTR by a KP Student Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan, I have referred you to a K.P.Book on advanced stellar astrolgy written by the late M.P.Shanmugham and edited by KSK's second son, Mr. K.Subramaniam..."Astrosecrets & K.P." Have you read this book ? Pl. read and then comment...the rationale for why a birth-chart is deemed correct if the sub-lord of the Ascendant appears as the Moon's star-lord is explained... I am aware that SP Khullar has given his own(borrowed ?) method for Birth Time rectification. ..how corect it is one is not aware,only time will tell... L.Y.Rao. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, 30 July, 2008 7:15:14 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Yogesh Rao You advised me to read prenatal epoch. “You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc.,”. Mr.KSK has explained about the pre-natal-epoch in page number 403 of volume II of sagar publications. I am reproducing his comments about pre-natal-epoch. “Much is said about this. Very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all…….Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers.” The pre-natal-epoch theory was invented by a foreigner and not by Mr.KSK. Mr.KSK did not accept the pre-natal-epoch theory. R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 2:53 PM Dear Dhanabalan, The exact TOB is the one,when,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the st.lord and sub-lord of the Moon. ! You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc., and the Chapters on Rectification of Birth Time,in Astrosecrets & K.P..., by Mr.K.Subramaniam. .. Perhaps you are quoting from some other author's book... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comMonday, 28 July, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16’50’’ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Check out the all-new face of India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi Kp founder Late Shree KSK, Late Shree KMS and many kp followers had given their experiences since so many years. A small missing of a link will cause cofussion or failure of predictions. Though I got succeeded in 1000's of predictions I too failed , even scholors too failed to predict with accuracy. Some hidden points in the horoscope can not be predicted by any one. Sahhasra Saagara--- On Wed, 30/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: BTR by a KP Student Date: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008, 2:27 PM Dear Yogesh Rao You asked me to read about pre-natal-epoch which was neglected by Mr.KSK as not correct. I have all the three parts of Astrosecret and I have read it. Everything were already discussed in this group by our members. Please recall from file section and verify yourself. R.Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comWednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:26 AM Dear Dhanabalan, I have referred you to a K.P.Book on advanced stellar astrolgy written by the late M.P.Shanmugham and edited by KSK's second son, Mr. K.Subramaniam..."Astrosecrets & K.P." Have you read this book ? Pl. read and then comment...the rationale for why a birth-chart is deemed correct if the sub-lord of the Ascendant appears as the Moon's star-lord is explained... I am aware that SP Khullar has given his own(borrowed ?) method for Birth Time rectification. ..how corect it is one is not aware,only time will tell... L.Y.Rao. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, 30 July, 2008 7:15:14 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Yogesh Rao You advised me to read prenatal epoch. “You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc.,â€. Mr.KSK has explained about the pre-natal-epoch in page number 403 of volume II of sagar publications. I am reproducing his comments about pre-natal-epoch. “Much is said about this. Very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all…….Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers.†The pre-natal-epoch theory was invented by a foreigner and not by Mr.KSK. Mr.KSK did not accept the pre-natal-epoch theory. R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 2:53 PM Dear Dhanabalan, The exact TOB is the one,when,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the st.lord and sub-lord of the Moon. ! You are requested to read K.P.,prenatal epoch etc., and the Chapters on Rectification of Birth Time,in Astrosecrets & K.P..., by Mr.K.Subramaniam. .. Perhaps you are quoting from some other author's book... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comMonday, 28 July, 2008 10:16:55 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha You have erected the chart for the time 10.26 am; with time zone: 6.00; KPNA(2003) ayanamasa Asc. Vir 17. 27. 28 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 01. 29 (according to my software) Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me Ascedent sublord Saturn has no connection with moon. Adjust the time so that the asc sublord comes to Jupiter. It comes about 10.19 am Now find out whether the subsub lord and sub sub sub lord falls in Male hora. It comes around 10..16’50’’ AM. So your birth time is about 9 minutes and 10 seconds less than the actual birth time given. It seems you have also done correctly. But you have fixed the Asc. Sub sub lord as Mars, which falls in Female Hora. Moon also falls in Female Hora. So I brought to Sun. Again I fixed the Jupiter as sss lord since it falls in Female Hora. Regards R.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exact TOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am , by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the members to see this erection and comments in detail. 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Dear Sunaparantha I would like to convey you that I was examining your calculation and BTR. I can emphatically say you that it was perfect in all respects. Ayanamsa used by you differs from mine by few seconds. i.e. 4 seconds. Mine is 4 seconds more. Reason behind is I do not count number of days by multiplying the number of months by 30. In fact I do it by adding the true number of days in the months covered. For example 31+28+31+30+31+30+31+31 from January to August. This comes to 243 days. If you get by multiplication it comes to 240 days. Here I differ. Secondly I take 365 days in normal years and 366 day in leap years. I don¢t know how far I am correct. How ever a difference of 4 seconds does not mater at all. Your decision in fixing the birth time at 9-48-05 AM is correct as well. According to my calculation the Ascendant in Virgo differed by 2 and a half minutes. Here also I cannot claim that I am correct and you are wrong. No body can claim as well. We all depend on various SWs and different publication. There is no use going in to controversy. Please continue and watch to what extent your predictions come out to be correct. Wish you all the best. Dr. Luther --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparanthaRe: BTR by a KP Student Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 4:08 PM Pranam,Dear Dr.Luthar,Thank U very much and very happy to hear the correctness of my very first trial. For your information, I have used the SW, Astro Soft 2008,developed and presented by Mr. Nagesh Sathis Rajesh sivasankar at, sankar_kp_astro@ , which is freely available in the File section of our group.Unfortunately it dose'nt show the Ayanamsha and I thought it is KP.. as it has been recently developed ie 2008.Further I erected a chart using "FREEHOR.exe" , which is also available in the File section, for the same TOB and it showed Ayanamsa as 23.49.01 and out puts are as follows.SW Astro Soft 2008 - Asc. Vir 15.23.50SW Freehor - Asc. Vir 15.23.48Sir, please continue yr attention on my trial and do the necessary to manure my brain.The developer of Astro Soft 2008 too, may help us to verify the Ayanamsa.Om Tat SatSunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 12:17:39 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Kalyan, Your process of BTR appears to be very correct. But what ayanamsa are you using? Accordin to me the ayanamsa on the date of birth ought to be about 23-49-05. Some may differ in seconds. Yours is almost equal to that of Lahiri. Please check. Almost every one now useses New KP ayanamsa. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exactTOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am ,by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the membersto see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Pranam, Dear Guruji Dr.Luther, I am extremely happy to see yr mail on BTR. You have followed the real way of instructing a student. Once again , Thank U very much. For last three decades, I have practiced Traditional Astrology, under one of my relations. But I was never taught about a system of BTR or even there is sign of such a rule in astrology. As some predictions delivered by me were not accurate and not correct cent per cent, I gave up the practicing also. After I come across some article in some mags of Astro. on KP, I trusted that there are some hidden things to be observed, which I have not seen earlier. That is why I change my path to KP. But unfortunately today, we can see and hear some debates on Late KSK's teaching and contradictory ideas of. Now it is a question for beginners to sort out the real and correct thing from this debating stage, which shows the endless journey. How ever I trust, what Late KSK has invented, written and presented to the world on KP are most accurate and truth. All the best Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:03:22 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha I would like to convey you that I was examining your calculation and BTR. I can emphatically say you that it was perfect in all respects. Ayanamsa used by you differs from mine by few seconds. i.e. 4 seconds. Mine is 4 seconds more. Reason behind is I do not count number of days by multiplying the number of months by 30. In fact I do it by adding the true number of days in the months covered. For example 31+28+31+30+ 31+30+31+ 31 from January to August. This comes to 243 days. If you get by multiplication it comes to 240 days. Here I differ. Secondly I take 365 days in normal years and 366 day in leap years. I don¢t know how far I am correct. How ever a difference of 4 seconds does not mater at all. Your decision in fixing the birth time at 9-48-05 AM is correct as well. According to my calculation the Ascendant in Virgo differed by 2 and a half minutes. Here also I cannot claim that I am correct and you are wrong. No body can claim as well. We all depend on various SWs and different publication. There is no use going in to controversy. Please continue and watch to what extent your predictions come out to be correct. Wish you all the best. Dr. Luther --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 4:08 PM Pranam,Dear Dr.Luthar,Thank U very much and very happy to hear the correctness of my very first trial. For your information, I have used the SW, Astro Soft 2008,developed and presented by Mr. Nagesh Sathis Rajesh sivasankar at, sankar_kp_astro@ , which is freely available in the File section of our group.Unfortunately it dose'nt show the Ayanamsha and I thought it is KP.. as it has been recently developed ie 2008.Further I erected a chart using "FREEHOR.exe" , which is also available in the File section, for the same TOB and it showed Ayanamsa as 23.49.01 and out puts are as follows.SW Astro Soft 2008 - Asc. Vir 15.23.50SW Freehor - Asc. Vir 15.23.48Sir, please continue yr attention on my trial and do the necessary to manure my brain.The developer of Astro Soft 2008 too, may help us to verify the Ayanamsa.Om Tat SatSunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 12:17:39 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Kalyan, Your process of BTR appears to be very correct. But what ayanamsa are you using? Accordin to me the ayanamsa on the date of birth ought to be about 23-49-05. Some may differ in seconds. Yours is almost equal to that of Lahiri. Please check. Almost every one now useses New KP ayanamsa. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exactTOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am ,by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the membersto see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Dear Sunaparantha, Thank you very much for your appreciation which perhaps I don't deserve. Every thing depends on analysis and justifiction. The dabate and contraversy that is now going on is not desirable. Changes and improvements are to be invited and tested. If you get good results accept it else give up. Show your charts and prediction to the forum. Remember to inform the forum if the prediction cme out correct. Then only it is proven. Biginers should at no cost enter in to these debates. It leads to confusion. I follow sub theory and get satisfactory results. I have been trying to study heliocentricity of the solar system and its influence on present astrology. Thank you again. With due regards. Dr. Luther. Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 9:28:02 AMRe: BTR by a KP Student Pranam, Dear Guruji Dr.Luther, I am extremely happy to see yr mail on BTR. You have followed the real way of instructing a student. Once again , Thank U very much. For last three decades, I have practiced Traditional Astrology, under one of my relations. But I was never taught about a system of BTR or even there is sign of such a rule in astrology. As some predictions delivered by me were not accurate and not correct cent per cent, I gave up the practicing also. After I come across some article in some mags of Astro. on KP, I trusted that there are some hidden things to be observed, which I have not seen earlier. That is why I change my path to KP. But unfortunately today, we can see and hear some debates on Late KSK's teaching and contradictory ideas of. Now it is a question for beginners to sort out the real and correct thing from this debating stage, which shows the endless journey. How ever I trust, what Late KSK has invented, written and presented to the world on KP are most accurate and truth. All the best Sunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comThursday, July 31, 2008 4:03:22 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Sunaparantha I would like to convey you that I was examining your calculation and BTR. I can emphatically say you that it was perfect in all respects. Ayanamsa used by you differs from mine by few seconds. i.e. 4 seconds. Mine is 4 seconds more. Reason behind is I do not count number of days by multiplying the number of months by 30. In fact I do it by adding the true number of days in the months covered.. For example 31+28+31+30+ 31+30+31+ 31 from January to August. This comes to 243 days. If you get by multiplication it comes to 240 days. Here I differ. Secondly I take 365 days in normal years and 366 day in leap years. I don¢t know how far I am correct. How ever a difference of 4 seconds does not mater at all. Your decision in fixing the birth time at 9-48-05 AM is correct as well. According to my calculation the Ascendant in Virgo differed by 2 and a half minutes. Here also I cannot claim that I am correct and you are wrong. No body can claim as well. We all depend on various SWs and different publication. There is no use going in to controversy. Please continue and watch to what extent your predictions come out to be correct. Wish you all the best. Dr. Luther --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 4:08 PM Pranam,Dear Dr.Luthar,Thank U very much and very happy to hear the correctness of my very first trial. For your information, I have used the SW, Astro Soft 2008,developed and presented by Mr. Nagesh Sathis Rajesh sivasankar at, sankar_kp_astro@ , which is freely available in the File section of our group.Unfortunately it dose'nt show the Ayanamsha and I thought it is KP.. as it has been recently developed ie 2008.Further I erected a chart using "FREEHOR.exe" , which is also available in the File section, for the same TOB and it showed Ayanamsa as 23.49.01 and out puts are as follows.SW Astro Soft 2008 - Asc. Vir 15.23.50SW Freehor - Asc. Vir 15.23.48Sir, please continue yr attention on my trial and do the necessary to manure my brain.The developer of Astro Soft 2008 too, may help us to verify the Ayanamsa.Om Tat SatSunaparantha Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008 12:17:39 PMRe: BTR by a KP Student Dear Kalyan, Your process of BTR appears to be very correct. But what ayanamsa are you using? Accordin to me the ayanamsa on the date of birth ought to be about 23-49-05. Some may differ in seconds. Yours is almost equal to that of Lahiri. Please check. Almost every one now useses New KP ayanamsa. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > BTR by a KP Student@gro ups.comSaturday, July 26, 2008, 3:26 PM Dear all members Being a student and a group member, by following the KP books and discussion, I rectified a BT as follows. I kindly invite the members to check my trial whether it is correct. Detail DOB - 2003.08.06 *TOB - 10.26 am (As given by the parents of the native) POB - Wathupitiwela, Sri Lanka Lat. 07.03 Long. 80.07 TOB - From 1996.10.26 to 2006.04.14, the local time has advanced by 30 minutes of GMT. So the given BT should be 10.26-00.30= 09.56 KP rule observed - " When the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. ..confirming it as the exactTOB." The chart erected for 09.56 am ,by using the SW "Horo 2008", shows the following result. Asc. Vir 17. 26. 29 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Sa Sub Sub Ld - Rh Moon Sco 01. 00. 07 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Me As this is not tally with each other as per the above rule, I tried to obtain correct BT by changing one one min. up and down. When the BT decreased to 09.48.05 am, I found the following result, which tallied with the KP rule. Asc. Vir 15 23 50 Sign Ld - Me Star Ld - Mo Sub Ld - Ju Sub Sub Ld - Ma Moon Sco 00 55 27 Sign Ld - Ma Star Ld - Ju Sub Ld - Ma Sub Sub Ld - Sa Now the sub lord and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant JU & MA appear as the Star-lord and Sub-lord of the Moon, respectively. And also the Sub Lord of the Asc. Jup ownes the Janma Naksasthra, Visakha. Now the BT 09.48.05 am is about 08 Min. before the given BT.! If I finalized the judgment by deciding the BT is as 09.48.05 AM, am I correct? I humbly request the membersto see this erection and comments in detail. Guru Brihaspathiye bless you all Sunaparantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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