Guest guest Posted December 12, 2000 Report Share Posted December 12, 2000 Dear Peter > I am not sure which program you are using but in any case Krushna's ayanamsa >is supposed to be nearest to Ramans ayanamsa. In Parasara's Light I use >Ramans with an offset at the bottom of >-00:25:00. I have Haydn, and have to give the custom ayanamsha in full each time. But, more importantly, what you say does not seem to fit with what I could gather in connection with the study chart. Taking Ron Gaunt's chart as study chart, Krushna told us to use an ayanamsha of 22* 04' 28 " for his birth date. Using Raman's, I get a rate of 21* 31' 51 " on that date. Assuming the Haydn software to be right, we would need to add 32' 37'' to Raman's to get to Krushna' s. Using Lahiri's ayanamsha of 22* 58' 37 " on that date, we would subtract 54' 09 " from Lahiri's 22* 58' 37' to get to Krushna's. I know my Lahiri's input to be correct,so I would prefer to deduct from Lahiri to get to Krushna. That's why I need to find out whether I am deducting the correct amount. Of course, Krushna has just told us that he uses 24 feb 366, while Lahiri used the year 285, for the zero ayanamsha. Also the precession rate is slightly different, 50.03 vs. 50.26. But my maths are not up to it! Thanks Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Dear Group: As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the " missing part " between where a heavenly body is " supposed " to be by calculation and where it actually is. Is that correct? If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything is? Thanks for you feedback. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear Uttara, Thank you. Could you please explain further? - Vic On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Uttara wrote: > Hi Vic, > > To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of > reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an > astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the > constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the > fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's > rotation. > > Uttara > > > > > Vic D <vicdicara > Jyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM > Ayanamsha > > Dear Group: > > As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the " missing part " between > where a heavenly body is " supposed " to be by calculation and where it > actually is. Is that correct? > > If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the > first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the > *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position > when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for > Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything > is? > > Thanks for you feedback. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Vic,I'll give it a try. The earth rotates on a ecliptic point and also wobbles against a fixed constellation. Therefore from where one stands on this planet, only so much of the constellation is seen at one time. Since the earth continues to rotate what was North South East and West in the sky can move from a point of reference for an individual. What was up yesterday could be East or West tomorrow. Gad, I hope I said that right. So, a calculated Ayanamsha of the fixed stars would remain constant even if the earth rotates against the constellation. The Ayanamsha gives a fixed point of reference. Whereas because the Tropical Chart is based on the Sun's rotation (theoretical - for it is the earths rotation) the fixed position in the sky constantly moves or separates in degrees from the fixed position and therefore, is not actually lined up with the astronomical calculation of the signs lining up in the fixed stars. We have to remember too, that signs were created in the constellation as a reference point from Earth and because of the Earth's rotation and wobble over the years, a calculation as to where the reference point begins is not spot on. In fact it is almost 24* off and what used to be the Sun's position in the signs no longer is valid for proper placement in a birth chart. Ok, all of science, time and mathematical calculations are based on the sidereal plus more.Well, I gave it my best. I am sure other members here can answer more accurately :-).Hope it helps a little.Uttara "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Vic D <vicdicarajyotish-vidya Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:22:43 PMRe: Ayanamsha Dear Uttara, Thank you. Could you please explain further? - Vic On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Uttara wrote: > Hi Vic, > > To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of > reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an > astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the > constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the > fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's > rotation. > > Uttara > > > > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Jyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya> > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM > Ayanamsha > > Dear Group: > > As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the "missing part" between > where a heavenly body is "supposed" to be by calculation and where it > actually is. Is that correct? > > If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the > first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the > *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position > when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for > Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything > is? > > Thanks for you feedback. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Uttara ji, Siderial time needs correction to fix it up with local time(based on time zones).The factor for correction is provided through Ayanamsha. Uttaraji,way of explanation is absolute. regards vrkrishnan--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: Uttara <muttaraphalguniRe: Ayanamshajyotish-vidya Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 2:12 AM Dear Vic,I'll give it a try. The earth rotates on a ecliptic point and also wobbles against a fixed constellation. Therefore from where one stands on this planet, only so much of the constellation is seen at one time. Since the earth continues to rotate what was North South East and West in the sky can move from a point of reference for an individual. What was up yesterday could be East or West tomorrow. Gad, I hope I said that right. So, a calculated Ayanamsha of the fixed stars would remain constant even if the earth rotates against the constellation. The Ayanamsha gives a fixed point of reference. Whereas because the Tropical Chart is based on the Sun's rotation (theoretical - for it is the earths rotation) the fixed position in the sky constantly moves or separates in degrees from the fixed position and therefore, is not actually lined up with the astronomical calculation of the signs lining up in the fixed stars. We have to remember too, that signs were created in the constellation as a reference point from Earth and because of the Earth's rotation and wobble over the years, a calculation as to where the reference point begins is not spot on. In fact it is almost 24* off and what used to be the Sun's position in the signs no longer is valid for proper placement in a birth chart. Ok, all of science, time and mathematical calculations are based on the sidereal plus more.Well, I gave it my best. I am sure other members here can answer more accurately :-).Hope it helps a little.Uttara "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>jyotish-vidyaSaturday, September 20, 2008 3:22:43 PMRe: Ayanamsha Dear Uttara,Thank you. Could you please explain further?- VicOn Sep 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Uttara wrote:> Hi Vic,>> To my understanding it is because we need a mathematical point of > reference and placement to begin an assessment. It is an > astronomical calculation as much as a astrological one in the > constellation of the stars. Sidereal calculation is based on the > fixed stars whereas the tropical calculation is based on the Sun's > rotation.>> Uttara>>>> > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Jyotish Vidya <jyotish-vidya>> Friday, September 19, 2008 12:52:35 PM> Subject: Ayanamsha>> Dear Group:>> As I understand it currently, Ayanamsha is the "missing part" between> where a heavenly body is "supposed" to be by calculation and where it> actually is. Is that correct?>> If that is correct, though, I don't see the need for Ayanamsha in the> first place. It would seem the Ayanamsha would only be needed in the> *opposite* direction - to calculate the theoretical tropical position> when knowing the actual sidereal position. What is the need for> Ayanamsha when we can just look up at the sky and SEE where everything> is?>> Thanks for you feedback.>> Yours,> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor> http://www.vedicast rologer.net>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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