Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear Seniors, I have some querie as under, which are very much innocent and for learning purpose only, so please reply in same vein. Kp as we know before 4 step was discovered (?), was very much accurate , in pinpointing events and timing them. 1) Should a new learner of KP, straightaway start learning KP 4 step, or should he go through the Traditional KP method too before he embarks on learning the 4 step.? Also what are the pitfalls in learning 4 step, and what should a new learner avoid while studying this. 2) What would you rate the percentage of success given 100 Queries of experience,by usage of method. Which method would give better results ? The old traditional method, or the 4step , and what percentage difference you find which one better ? 3) Considering that the 4step is much better theory perchance, whall we consider the old method as defunct or outdated ? Will the new breed of astrologers make any mistakes while predicting through the old method , and be successfull, only if they learn and use 4 Step ? Please do not answer diplomatically and only honestly. I am personally respecting the old methods as well as the new researches done by the scholars practising KP. Am open to any new findings too. But would like to know, whether is the 4 step really better in delineating the events and timings vis a vis , what we have learnt from the old schools ? best wishes, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dear BhaskarHere are honest answers.A new comer must study KP before trying 4 step, as the latter is based on KP with some alleged improvements of fixing time without usings RPsHonestly I have no records, to say with gives better/or accurate results. Some body should do research on at least 100 cases and then decide. No reply on this hypothetical question.Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Seniors, I have some querie as under, which are very much innocent and for learning purpose only, so please reply in same vein. Kp as we know before 4 step was discovered (?), was very much accurate , in pinpointing events and timing them. 1) Should a new learner of KP, straightaway start learning KP 4 step, or should he go through the Traditional KP method too before he embarks on learning the 4 step.? Also what are the pitfalls in learning 4 step, and what should a new learner avoid while studying this. 2) What would you rate the percentage of success given 100 Queries of experience,by usage of method. Which method would give better results ? The old traditional method, or the 4step , and what percentage difference you find which one better ? 3) Considering that the 4step is much better theory perchance, whall we consider the old method as defunct or outdated ? Will the new breed of astrologers make any mistakes while predicting through the old method , and be successfull, only if they learn and use 4 Step ? Please do not answer diplomatically and only honestly. I am personally respecting the old methods as well as the new researches done by the scholars practising KP. Am open to any new findings too. But would like to know, whether is the 4 step really better in delineating the events and timings vis a vis , what we have learnt from the old schools ? best wishes, Bhaskar. raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 sir, can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method does not take into consideration the sign lord and the star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some planet,it considers only the empty houses for signification.kp considers the lord of the cusp as significator of the cusp even if some planet is there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does give important to such planet.4 step takes into consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment on the difference pattern.regards-vasudhakar goswami Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search./search? & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & \ p=global+warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear GosamiAll your doubts abot 4 step will be cleared, if you are prepared to buy the book4-step method by shri gondhalekar. Trying to learn about it in detail . Cost is 500 only. good luckvasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami wrote: sir, can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method does not take into consideration the sign lord and the star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some planet,it considers only the empty houses for signification.kp considers the lord of the cusp as significator of the cusp even if some planet is there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does give important to such planet.4 step takes into consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment on the difference pattern.regards-vasudhakar goswami Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search./search? & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=global+warming raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 dear bhaskar, the honest answer is already given by mr.raichur who was also learned in old school and now following 4 step theory only. as far as accuracy is to be concerned,since 4 step theory is totally based on krishnamurthy method(though everybody is not accepting this fact) so no need for better/best.it has to be decided by the learner only. regarding case studies,i am editing one magazine since 1993 and every year about 40 charts on 4step theory are presented in this magazine, so if anybody takes pain to compile it,it will give better picture for this theory. -sunil gondhalekar On 5/15/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear GosamiAll your doubts abot 4 step will be cleared, if you are prepared to buy the book4-step method by shri gondhalekar. Trying to learn about it in detail . Cost is 500 only. good luck vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami wrote: sir,can someone pin point basic differences between 4 stepand the origiginal kp method.To me four step methoddoes not take into consideration the sign lord and thestar lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp considersub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not considerthe lord of the cusp if it is occupied by someplanet,it considers only the empty houses for signification.kp considers the lord of the cusp assignificator of the cusp even if some planet isthere.though he says the tenent is stonger than the lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a starof any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp doesgive important to such planet.4 step takes into consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venusand mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shriraichoorji and other sr. members may like to commenton the difference pattern.regards-vasudhakar goswami Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search./search? & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=global+warming raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Shri Goswami, I take strong exception to the language you have used... It appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and reading it..."free of cost" and without making any effort at all...I think that we have yet to get out of this "guide" mentality... By asking for an "honest reply" are you trying to insinuate that false,or "dishonest replies" are also given...on this site ? ! If you are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami Sent: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM Re: Honest reply required. sir,can someone pin point basic differences between 4 stepand the origiginal kp method.To me four step methoddoes not take into consideration the sign lord and thestar lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord ofthe cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp considersub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not considerthe lord of the cusp if it is occupied by someplanet,it considers only the empty houses forsignification. kp considers the lord of the cusp assignificator of the cusp even if some planet isthere.though he says the tenent is stonger than thelord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a starof any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp doesgive important to such planet.4 step takes intoconsideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venusand mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shriraichoorji and other sr. members may like to commenton the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswamiPlanet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=global+ warming Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 sir-I had purchased 4 step book of suneelji long back.also,i had also attended his surat discource in sept 2007.I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BOOK RELIGIOUSLY BY EACH WORD OF IT.My confusion is about the points i raised in my previous mail because the book does not specify differences between two methodologies,however it deals very well on 4 step.in addition to points raised i also want to know whether kp himself has taken 7th opposite aspects of sun,mer.ve and,moon which suneelji has taken in his book. at page 33-34 of his book suneelji has also taken 7th aspect of ketu(which is always there in every horoscope).has ksk taken such aspect.i request you to categorically answer on these issues.regards,vasudhakar goswami Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Dear Rao Sahab, The title of the thread was put by me, and not by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual but made of thousands of individuals, and some of them are honest and some are not. Duality has to persist in nature. What I meant with the title was, the seniors must not give a roundabout reply or evade the query, but reply with the best of innocence what they feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, and the 4 step. I already have the book by Sunilji, and also have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need the help of a guide at times, a guide like your goodself or other seniors who help us with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. anyway, my query unfortunately still remains unreplied honestly. regards, Bhaskar. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Shri Goswami, >                              I take strong exception to the language you have used... >                               It appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at all...I think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... >                              By asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this site ? ! >                              If you are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... >                              With best wishes, >                               L.Y.Rao. >                                                    GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > Re: Honest reply required. > > > sir, > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - http://in.search./search? & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 dear shri lajmiji, I HONOUR YOUR LERNED COMMENTS BUT I AM SURE, YOU HAVE NOT READ RAICHURJI'S ADVISE GIVEN TO ME IN KP SYSTEM MAIL NO. 2376 WHEREIN I WAS ASKED TO PURCHASE THE BOOK OF SHRI SUNEELJI ON 4 STEP FOR A COST OF RS 500-00.IT WAS TO INFORM HIM THAT I ALREADY POSSESS ONE. I QUOTE RAICHURJI'S MAIL BELOW " 4b. Re: Honest reply required. Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar Thu May 15, 2008 12:05 am (PDT) Dear Gosami All your doubts abot 4 step will be cleared, if you are prepared to buy the book 4-step method by shri gondhalekar. Trying to learn about it in detail . Cost is 500 only. good luck I AM SURE IT SATISFIES YOU AND MAKES ME FREE OF YOUR " STRONG EXCEPTIONS " IN THIS REGARD.REGARDS VASUDHAKAR Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Dear Vasudhakar, Simply possessing the book is not enough...it is important tot read and re-read it to imbibe it's contents...Sudhakar... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami Sent: Monday, 19 May, 2008 8:13:10 PM Re: Honest reply required. dear shri lajmiji,I HONOUR YOUR LERNED COMMENTS BUT I AM SURE, YOU HAVENOT READ RAICHURJI'S ADVISE GIVEN TO ME IN KP SYSTEMMAIL NO. 2376 WHEREIN I WAS ASKED TO PURCHASE THE BOOKOF SHRI SUNEELJI ON 4 STEP FOR A COST OF RS 500-00.ITWAS TO INFORM HIM THAT I ALREADY POSSESS ONE. I QUOTERAICHURJI'S MAIL BELOW"4b. Re: Honest reply required. Posted by: "Raichur-a-r" raichurar raichurar Thu May 15, 2008 12:05 am (PDT) Dear GosamiAll your doubts abot 4 step will be cleared, if youare prepared to buy the book4-step method by shri gondhalekar. Trying to learnabout it in detail . Cost is 500 only. good luckI AM SURE IT SATISFIES YOU AND MAKES ME FREE OF YOUR "STRONG EXCEPTIONS" IN THIS REGARD.REGARDSVASUDHAKARUnlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/ Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Dear BhaskarYou have books on KP and 4 step.You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether it is right or notBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Rao Sahab, The title of the thread was put by me, and not by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual but made of thousands of individuals, and some of them are honest and some are not. Duality has to persist in nature. What I meant with the title was, the seniors must not give a roundabout reply or evade the query, but reply with the best of innocence what they feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, and the 4 step. I already have the book by Sunilji, and also have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need the help of a guide at times, a guide like your goodself or other seniors who help us with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. anyway, my query unfortunately still remains unreplied honestly. regards, Bhaskar. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Shri Goswami, >                              I take strong exception to the language you have used... >                               It appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and reading it..."free of cost" and without making any effort at all...I think that we have yet to get out of this "guide" mentality... >                              By asking for an "honest reply" are you trying to insinuate that false,or "dishonest  replies"  are also given...on this site ? ! >                              If you are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... >                              With best wishes, >                               L.Y.Rao. >                                                    GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > Re: Honest reply required. > > > sir, > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - http://in.search./search? & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Dear Shri Raichurji. I did not understand the 4step book which I purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide me before I embark on another study of the same and spend some time on 4 step. But luckily I have downloaded Your notes and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines of last year and taken out print out, which i feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. I will surely come back to you in case of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. I look forward to educative contributions from Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as the best and authentic one on astrology. Fortunate to be here due to purva punya .....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. regards, Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > You have books on KP and 4 step. > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether it is right or not > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Rao Sahab, > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > has to persist in nature. > > What I meant with the title was, > the seniors must not > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > but reply with the best of innocence what they > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > and the 4 step. > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > your goodself or other seniors who help us > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > unreplied honestly. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > >                              I take > strong exception to the language you have used... > >                               It > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at all...I > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > >                              By > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this site ? ! > >                              If you > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > >                              With > best wishes, > >                               > L.Y.Rao. > > >                                    >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > sir, > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > http://in.search./search? > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > raichur anant mumbai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 dear vasudhakar, you have mentioned that no comparison is made in book. that was not necessary,but for you it is like this. using planet and its star is stellar method,using its sub is kp method and using sub's star is 4 step theory -sunil gondhalekar On 5/20/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Vasudhakar, Simply possessing the book is not enough...it is important tot read and re-read it to imbibe it's contents...Sudhakar... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami Sent: Monday, 19 May, 2008 8:13:10 PM Re: Honest reply required. dear shri lajmiji,I HONOUR YOUR LERNED COMMENTS BUT I AM SURE, YOU HAVENOT READ RAICHURJI'S ADVISE GIVEN TO ME IN KP SYSTEMMAIL NO. 2376 WHEREIN I WAS ASKED TO PURCHASE THE BOOKOF SHRI SUNEELJI ON 4 STEP FOR A COST OF RS 500-00.IT WAS TO INFORM HIM THAT I ALREADY POSSESS ONE. I QUOTERAICHURJI'S MAIL BELOW " 4b. Re: Honest reply required. Posted by: " Raichur-a-r " raichurar raichurar Thu May 15, 2008 12:05 am (PDT) Dear GosamiAll your doubts abot 4 step will be cleared, if youare prepared to buy the book4-step method by shri gondhalekar. Trying to learnabout it in detail . Cost is 500 only. good luckI AM SURE IT SATISFIES YOU AND MAKES ME FREE OF YOUR " STRONG EXCEPTIONS " IN THIS REGARD.REGARDSVASUDHAKARUnlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/ Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear BhaskarWe were also children, when we started learing kp/4step.We used to cast horoscope manually, using the 1st reader, check what was give in the book, find out our mistakes and corrected them. You have to follow that method. One cannot jump from buying a book, and being able to predictBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Shri Raichurji. I did not understand the 4step book which I purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide me before I embark on another study of the same and spend some time on 4 step. But luckily I have downloaded Your notes and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines of last year and taken out print out, which i feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. I will surely come back to you in case of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. I look forward to educative contributions from Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as the best and authentic one on astrology. Fortunate to be here due to purva punya ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. regards, Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > You have books on KP and 4 step. > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether it is right or not > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Rao Sahab, > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > has to persist in nature. > > What I meant with the title was, > the seniors must not > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > but reply with the best of innocence what they > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > and the 4 step. > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > your goodself or other seniors who help us > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > unreplied honestly. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > >                              I take > strong exception to the language you have used... > >                               It > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > reading it..."free of cost" and without making any effort at all...I > think that we have yet to get out of this "guide" mentality... > >                              By > asking for an "honest reply" are you trying to insinuate that > false,or "dishonest  replies"  are also given...on this site ? ! > >                              If you > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > >                              With > best wishes, > >                               > L.Y.Rao. > > >                                    >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > sir, > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > http://in.search./search? > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the significations for the required houses are worked out and the strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). This 4th step is not considered in KP. The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step only strong significators can offer results and presence of any planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. So it does not become totally useless as assumed. 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based on the experience of the astrologer. Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my view……honest view. Subhash Ektare , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > me before I embark on another study of the same > and spend some time on 4 step. > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > of last year and taken out print out, which i > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > I will surely come back to you in case > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > I look forward to educative contributions from > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > it is right or not > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > has to persist in nature. > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > the seniors must not > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > and the 4 step. > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > unreplied honestly. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > >                              I > take > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > >                               It > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > all...I > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > >                              By > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this site ? ! > > >                              If > you > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > > >                              With > > best wishes, > > >                               > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > >                                  >   > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > http://in.search./search? > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Shri Subhashji, Your reply is the first honest reply I have received uptil now, I must admit. Thanks for the same. Now my confessions - (a) 4 step is further advancement of KP is what I agree and accept, as the right advance of the Traditional KP. (b) Ruling Planets I , still feel has its own role to offer, which cannot be substituted , as yet by any other evident advanced approach witnessed uptil now. © I am a beginner in 4 step and do not find it simple or easy to follow, the available literature. (d) I have already been doing 50% of what 4 step offers,unconsciously,and therefore, find 4 step is a good sequel to the Original KP. (e) I am interested in yet another step ahead - the quality of the star( planet ) of the 4th sublevel. Here quality refers to , its placement in a sign and its affections to its owner. That too should make a difference. The starLord if Sun, is placed suppose in sign owned by Saturn in, first case, and if placed in sign owned by Mars in second case, would give a difference in results forthcoming, in both cases. But I will have to learn 4 step properly, before I reach the above level, I suppose. And thanks for the honest reply. regards, Bhaskar. , " Subhash " <subhash_ektare wrote: > > Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji > The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and > Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message > # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji > (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. > Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. > > As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two > theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on > it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. > > I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. > However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the > points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the > significations for the required houses are worked out and the > strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in > 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as > per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd > step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). > This 4th step is not considered in KP. > > The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the > cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step > only strong significators can offer results and presence of any > planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp > lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically > gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong > signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. > > In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is > deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same > in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of > other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does > not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. > So it does not become totally useless as assumed. > > 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the > experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this > can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based > on the experience of the astrologer. > > Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state > (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP > (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets > (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner > > So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. > That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my > view……honest view. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > > me before I embark on another study of the same > > and spend some time on 4 step. > > > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > > of last year and taken out print out, which i > > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > > > I will surely come back to you in case > > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > > I look forward to educative contributions from > > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > > it is right or not > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > > has to persist in nature. > > > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > > the seniors must not > > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > > and the 4 step. > > > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > > unreplied honestly. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > > >                              I > > take > > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > > >                               It > > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement > in > > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > > all...I > > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > > >                              By > > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this > site ? ! > > > >                              If > > you > > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > > > >                              > With > > > best wishes, > > > >                               > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > >                                 >  > >   > > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > > http://in.search./search? > > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 In this context I want to clear my confusion after reading ‘Sub Lord Speaks’ series of articles and 4 Step theory of Sunilji. Both of them put stress on the sub part of any planet (Step 3,4 in four Step theory). Numerous examples are given in ‘Sub Lord Speaks’ books(3 Vol.) where though stellar significance (Step1,2) indicates negation of a matter, the matter has happened only by sub level strong signification. My question is: 1) As per this new learning, do we at all need to see the star level signification (1,2 step) of a planet as propounded by KSK ? ( As this, obviously loses its importance) 2) If not, then what actually these level significance imply? I put these questions specially to Raichurji and Sunilji. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Subhash Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:21 PM Re: Honest reply required. Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the significations for the required houses are worked out and the strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). This 4th step is not considered in KP. The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step only strong significators can offer results and presence of any planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. So it does not become totally useless as assumed. 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based on the experience of the astrologer. Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my view……honest view. Subhash Ektare , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > me before I embark on another study of the same > and spend some time on 4 step. > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > of last year and taken out print out, which i > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > I will surely come back to you in case > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > I look forward to educative contributions from > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > it is right or not > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > has to persist in nature. > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > the seniors must not > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > and the 4 step. > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > unreplied honestly. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > >                              I > take > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > >                               It > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > all...I > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > >                              By > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this site ? ! > > >                              If > you > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > > >                              With > > best wishes, > > >                               > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > >                                  >   > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > http://in.search./search? > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 If you read the 4 step theory, there the author clearly states the research was taken up after reading those articles on SUB LORD SPEAKS.Whatever the adaption or inventives the basic of KP THE PLANET SHOWS THE EFFECTS OF THE STAR LORD( 1,2) BUT THE ULTIMATE RESULT + OR - IS SHOWN BY THE SUBLORD. SO YOU CANNT IGNORE STEPS 1 AND 2. MORE OVER IN 4 STEP ONLY THE HOUSES PRICIPALLY SIGNIFIED ARE TAKEN. sORRY NO THEOREY, EXCEPT GOD GIVEN INTUTUION CAN GIVE YOU A N ANSWER WITHOUT DOING SOME CALCULATION.GOD BLESS YOU raichur anant mumbai--- On Thu, 5/29/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshRE: Re: Honest reply required. Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 12:40 PM In this context I want to clear my confusion after reading ‘Sub Lord Speaks’ series of articles and 4 Step theory of Sunilji. Both of them put stress on the sub part of any planet (Step 3,4 in four Step theory). Numerous examples are given in ‘Sub Lord Speaks’ books(3 Vol.) where though stellar significance (Step1,2) indicates negation of a matter, the matter has happened only by sub level strong signification. My question is: 1) As per this new learning, do we at all need to see the star level signification (1,2 step) of a planet as propounded by KSK ? ( As this, obviously loses its importance) 2) If not, then what actually these level significance imply? I put these questions specially to Raichurji and Sunilji. Regards Suprakash @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Subhash Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:21 PM @gro ups.com Re: Honest reply required. Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji The thread "Honest reply required" was started by Bhaskar ji and Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the significations for the required houses are worked out and the strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). This 4th step is not considered in KP. The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step only strong significators can offer results and presence of any planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. So it does not become totally useless as assumed. 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based on the experience of the astrologer. Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my view……honest view. Subhash Ektare @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > me before I embark on another study of the same > and spend some time on 4 step. > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > of last year and taken out print out, which i > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > I will surely come back to you in case > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > I look forward to educative contributions from > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > it is right or not > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > has to persist in nature. > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > the seniors must not > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > and the 4 step. > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > unreplied honestly. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > >                              I > take > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > >                               It > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > reading it..."free of cost" and without making any effort at > all...I > > think that we have yet to get out of this "guide" mentality... > > >                              By > > asking for an "honest reply" are you trying to insinuate that > > false,or "dishonest  replies"  are also given...on this site ? ! > > >                              If > you > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > straight-forward questions... without imputing ant motives... > > >                              With > > best wishes, > > >                               > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > >                                  >   > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@ > > > > @gro ups.com > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > http://in.search. / search? > > & fr=na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolat es > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 dear supraksh, thanks that you have studied old,new and base of 4 step theory also. you have observed the fact that in some cases you wont get signification on 1-2 levels. your main query is whether these 1-2 levels has to be ignored? answer is definately- " NO " if you study it properly you will find some supportive houses on 1-2 levels which gives the results. level 1-2 is used in transit in my 4 step theory just because there is most important place of level 1-2 in KP method which offers the results. -sunil gondhalekar On 5/29/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: In this context I want to clear my confusion after reading 'Sub LordSpeaks' series of articles and 4 Step theory of Sunilji. Both of themput stress on the sub part of any planet (Step 3,4 in four Step theory). Numerous examples are given in 'Sub Lord Speaks' books(3 Vol.) wherethough stellar significance (Step1,2) indicates negation of a matter,the matter has happened only by sub level strong signification.My question is: 1) As per this new learning, do we at all need to see the star levelsignification (1,2 step) of a planet as propounded by KSK ? ( As this,obviously loses its importance)2) If not, then what actually these level significance imply? I put these questions specially to Raichurji and Sunilji.RegardsSuprakash On Behalf Of SubhashWednesday, May 28, 2008 10:21 PM Re: Honest reply required.Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar jiThe thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. Bhaskar the query is still unanswered.As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the significations for the required houses are worked out and the strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). This 4th step is not considered in KP. The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step only strong significators can offer results and presence of any planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house.In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. So it does not become totally useless as assumed. 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based on the experience of the astrologer. Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP(2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets(3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise.That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my view……honest view.Subhash Ektare , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Shri Raichurji.> > I did not understand the 4step book which I > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > me before I embark on another study of the same > and spend some time on 4 step.> > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes> and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines> of last year and taken out print out, which i > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > I will surely come back to you in case> of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you> scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge.> I look forward to educative contributions from > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji,> and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as> the best and authentic one on astrology. > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya> ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > >> > Dear Bhaskar> > You have books on KP and 4 step.> > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > it is right or not> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > Dear Rao Sahab,> > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality> > has to persist in nature.> > > > What I meant with the title was, > > the seniors must not > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query,> > but reply with the best of innocence what they> > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP,> > and the 4 step.> > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading> > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need> > the help of a guide at times, a guide like> > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice.> > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > unreplied honestly.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar. > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > wrote: > > >> > > Dear Shri Goswami,> > >                              I > take > > strong exception to the language you have used...> > >                               It > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement in > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > all...I > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality...> > >                              By > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this site ? !> > >                              If > you > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives...> > >                              With > > best wishes,> > >                               > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >                                  >  Â> >                 GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@>> > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM> > > Re: Honest reply required.> > > > > > > > > sir,> > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method> > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the> > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider> > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider> > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some> > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as> > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is> > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the> > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does> > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into> > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus> > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment> > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami> > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > http://in.search./search? > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > >>--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dear Mr. Bhaskar ji We are probably sailing in the same boat. Only difference, may be, I used to get my doubts/difficulties clarified directly from Mr. Gondhalekar ji. He is gem of a person to deal with. You are welcome to contact me on my personal ID, for discussion, provided you consider me worth it. By the way, your proposal of adding another step is worth considering and I will definately think over the matter. With best regards Subhash Ektare -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Subhashji, > > Your reply is the first honest reply I have received > uptil now, I must admit. Thanks for the same. > > Now my confessions - > > (a) 4 step is further advancement of KP > is what I agree and accept, as the right advance > of the Traditional KP. > > (b) Ruling Planets I , still feel has its own > role to offer, which cannot be substituted , > as yet by any other evident advanced approach > witnessed uptil now. > > © I am a beginner in 4 step and do not find it > simple or easy to follow, the available literature. > > (d) I have already been doing 50% of what 4 step > offers,unconsciously,and therefore, find > 4 step is a good sequel to the Original KP. > > (e) I am interested in yet another step ahead - > the quality of the star( planet ) of the > 4th sublevel. Here quality refers to , its > placement in a sign and its affections to its > owner. > That too should make a difference. The starLord > if Sun, is placed suppose in sign owned by Saturn > in, first case, and if placed in sign owned by > Mars in second case, would give a difference in > results forthcoming, in both cases. > > But I will have to learn 4 step properly, before I > reach the above level, I suppose. > > And thanks for the honest reply. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Subhash " subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji > > The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and > > Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji > (message > > # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji > > (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to > Mr. > > Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. > > > > As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two > > theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on > > it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. > > > > I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. > > However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the > > points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the > > significations for the required houses are worked out and the > > strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However > in > > 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as > > per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd > > step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). > > This 4th step is not considered in KP. > > > > The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the > > cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 > step > > only strong significators can offer results and presence of any > > planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the > cusp > > lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically > > gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong > > signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. > > > > In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is > > deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same > > in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of > > other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does > > not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub > lord. > > So it does not become totally useless as assumed. > > > > 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on > the > > experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However > this > > can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets > based > > on the experience of the astrologer. > > > > Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state > > (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP > > (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets > > (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner > > > > So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. > > That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my > > view……honest view. > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > > > > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > > > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > > > me before I embark on another study of the same > > > and spend some time on 4 step. > > > > > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > > > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > > > of last year and taken out print out, which i > > > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > > > > > I will surely come back to you in case > > > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > > > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > > > I look forward to educative contributions from > > > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > > > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > > > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > > > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > > > > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > > > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences > between > > > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say > wether > > > it is right or not > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > > > has to persist in nature. > > > > > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > > > the seniors must not > > > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > > > and the 4 step. > > > > > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > > > unreplied honestly. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > > > >                              I > > > take > > > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > > > >                               > It > > > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement > > in > > > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > > > all...I > > > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > > > >                              > By > > > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this > > site ? ! > > > > >                              > If > > > you > > > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English > Language...use > > > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > > > > >                              > > With > > > > best wishes, > > > > >                               > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > >                                >  > >  > > >   > > > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - > http://in.search. > > > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > > > http://in.search./search? > > > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dear BhaskarIn your letter to Subhashiji, you have written " Dear Shri Subhashji, Your reply is the first honest reply I have received uptil now, I must admit. Thanks for the same "This seemingly innocent letter, implies, that the reply you have recieved from others ARENOT HONEST REPLIES,but dishonest replies.YOU BETTER TAKE LESSONS IN WRTING ENGLISH. WITHOUT MENAING YOU ARE INSULTING MEMBERS OF THE GROUP.PLEASE NOTE YOU WILL NOT GET ANY REPLIES FROM MR RAICHUR. X@gro ups.com, "Subhash" <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji > The thread "Honest reply required" was started by Bhaskar ji and > Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message > # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji > (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. > Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. > > As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two > theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on > it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. > > I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. > However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the > points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the > significations for the required houses are worked out and the > strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in > 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as > per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd > step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). > This 4th step is not considered in KP. > > The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the > cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step > only strong significators can offer results and presence of any > planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp > lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically > gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong > signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. > > In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is > deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same > in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of > other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does > not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. > So it does not become totally useless as assumed. > > 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the > experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this > can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based > on the experience of the astrologer. > > Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state > (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP > (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets > (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner > > So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. > That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my > view……honest view. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > > me before I embark on another study of the same > > and spend some time on 4 step. > > > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > > of last year and taken out print out, which i > > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > > > I will surely come back to you in case > > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > > I look forward to educative contributions from > > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > > it is right or not > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > > has to persist in nature. > > > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > > the seniors must not > > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > > and the 4 step. > > > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > > unreplied honestly. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > > >                              I > > take > > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > > >                               It > > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement > in > > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > > reading it..."free of cost" and without making any effort at > > all...I > > > think that we have yet to get out of this "guide" mentality... > > > >                              By > > > asking for an "honest reply" are you trying to insinuate that > > > false,or "dishonest  replies"  are also given...on this > site ? ! > > > >                              If > > you > > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > > straight-forward questions... without imputing ant motives... > > > >                              > With > > > best wishes, > > > >                               > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > >                                 >  > >   > > >                 GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@ > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > > http://in.search. / search? > > > & fr=na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolat es > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dear Shri Subhashji, Thanks for your kind words and offer of help. Let me first become worthy enough, to approach the good KP masters like Shri Gondhalekarji and yourself, among others like, Yogeshji ,Raichurji, Tinwinji and others whom I may have missed to name. I may have ofended Shri raichurji by my last mail to you. Please let him know that it was unintentional. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Subhash " <subhash_ektare wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Bhaskar ji > > We are probably sailing in the same boat. Only difference, may be, I > used to get my doubts/difficulties clarified directly from Mr. > Gondhalekar ji. He is gem of a person to deal with. > > You are welcome to contact me on my personal ID, for discussion, > provided you consider me worth it. By the way, your proposal of adding > another step is worth considering and I will definately think over the > matter. > > With best regards > > Subhash Ektare > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Subhashji, > > > > Your reply is the first honest reply I have received > > uptil now, I must admit. Thanks for the same. > > > > Now my confessions - > > > > (a) 4 step is further advancement of KP > > is what I agree and accept, as the right advance > > of the Traditional KP. > > > > (b) Ruling Planets I , still feel has its own > > role to offer, which cannot be substituted , > > as yet by any other evident advanced approach > > witnessed uptil now. > > > > © I am a beginner in 4 step and do not find it > > simple or easy to follow, the available literature. > > > > (d) I have already been doing 50% of what 4 step > > offers,unconsciously,and therefore, find > > 4 step is a good sequel to the Original KP. > > > > (e) I am interested in yet another step ahead - > > the quality of the star( planet ) of the > > 4th sublevel. Here quality refers to , its > > placement in a sign and its affections to its > > owner. > > That too should make a difference. The starLord > > if Sun, is placed suppose in sign owned by Saturn > > in, first case, and if placed in sign owned by > > Mars in second case, would give a difference in > > results forthcoming, in both cases. > > > > But I will have to learn 4 step properly, before I > > reach the above level, I suppose. > > > > And thanks for the honest reply. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Subhash " subhash_ektare@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji > > > The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and > > > Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji > > (message > > > # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji > > > (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to > > Mr. > > > Bhaskar the query is still unanswered. > > > > > > As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two > > > theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on > > > it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. > > > > > > I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. > > > However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the > > > points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the > > > significations for the required houses are worked out and the > > > strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However > > in > > > 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as > > > per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd > > > step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). > > > This 4th step is not considered in KP. > > > > > > The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the > > > cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 > > step > > > only strong significators can offer results and presence of any > > > planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the > > cusp > > > lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically > > > gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong > > > signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house. > > > > > > In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is > > > deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same > > > in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of > > > other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does > > > not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub > > lord. > > > So it does not become totally useless as assumed. > > > > > > 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on > > the > > > experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However > > this > > > can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets > > based > > > on the experience of the astrologer. > > > > > > Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state > > > (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP > > > (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets > > > (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner > > > > > > So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise. > > > That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my > > > view……honest view. > > > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raichurji. > > > > > > > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > > > > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > > > > me before I embark on another study of the same > > > > and spend some time on 4 step. > > > > > > > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes > > > > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines > > > > of last year and taken out print out, which i > > > > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same. > > > > > > > > I will surely come back to you in case > > > > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you > > > > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > > > > I look forward to educative contributions from > > > > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji, > > > > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > > > > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > > > > the best and authentic one on astrology. > > > > > > > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya > > > > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > > > You have books on KP and 4 step. > > > > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences > > between > > > > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say > > wether > > > > it is right or not > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rao Sahab, > > > > > > > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > > > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual > > > > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > > > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality > > > > > has to persist in nature. > > > > > > > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > > > > the seniors must not > > > > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query, > > > > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > > > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP, > > > > > and the 4 step. > > > > > > > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also > > > > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > > > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need > > > > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like > > > > > your goodself or other seniors who help us > > > > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > > > > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > > > > unreplied honestly. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goswami, > > > > > >             >               >    I > > > > take > > > > > strong exception to the language you have used... > > > > > >             >               >     > > It > > > > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement > > > in > > > > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > > > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > > > > all...I > > > > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > > > > >             >               >    > > By > > > > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > > > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this > > > site ? ! > > > > > >             >               >    > > If > > > > you > > > > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English > > Language...use > > > > > straight-forward questions...without imputing ant motives... > > > > > >             >               >    > > > With > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > >             >               >     > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > >              >               >     > >  > > >  > > > >   > > > > >              >    GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM > > > > > > Re: Honest reply required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir, > > > > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method > > > > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the > > > > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider > > > > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider > > > > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for > > > > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as > > > > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is > > > > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star > > > > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into > > > > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus > > > > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri > > > > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - > > http://in.search. > > > > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF- 8 & > > > > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > > > > http://in.search./search? > > > > > & fr=na_onnetwork_mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 dear raichurji, i also agrree with your views. -sunil gondhalekar On 6/1/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear BhaskarIn your letter to Subhashiji, you have written " Dear Shri Subhashji,Your reply is the first honest reply I have received uptil now, I must admit. Thanks for the same " This seemingly innocent letter, implies, that the reply you have recieved from others ARE NOT HONEST REPLIES,but dishonest replies. YOU BETTER TAKE LESSONS IN WRTING ENGLISH. WITHOUT MENAING YOU ARE INSULTING MEMBERS OF THE GROUP. PLEASE NOTE YOU WILL NOT GET ANY REPLIES FROM MR RAICHUR ..X@gro ups.com, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr. Goswami ji, Bhaskar ji> The thread " Honest reply required " was started by Bhaskar ji and > Goswami ji added his views. The seniors like A R Raichur ji (message > # 17386 and 17446), L Y Rao ji (message # 17414) and Godhalekar ji > (message # 17422) had put forth their views. However according to Mr. > Bhaskar the query is still unanswered.> > As suggested by Raichur ji if some one puts the differences in two > theories, one by one, it will be easy for the seniors to comment on > it. But unfortunately this path is avoided. > > I appreciate Mr. Godhalekar remaining silent for obvious reasons. > However with his permission I would like to add my comments on the > points raised by Mr. Goswami in message #17395. In KP the > significations for the required houses are worked out and the > strongest significators are arrived at by various methods. However in > 4 Step planet's signification to houses are directly worked out as > per set rules at 1) planet level (first step) 2) star level (2nd > step) 3) sub level (3rd step) and 4) star of sub level (4th step). > This 4th step is not considered in KP. > > The 4 Step Theory dose take into consideration the sign lord of the > cusp when that particular house is empty. Because according to 4 step > only strong significators can offer results and presence of any > planet in the house makes the cusp lord weak. In KP, though the cusp > lord is taken as significator (4th Grade/ D Grade) it automatically > gets sidelined because the planet in the house gets strong > signification (2nd Grade/B Grade) for the same house.> > In KP planet offers the results of house where its star lord is > deposited and the house(s) owned by the star lord. The rule is same > in 4 step theory. It is true that a planet (if it is star lord of > other planet) is useless, but at planet level only. However it does > not take away its power to give result of its star lord and sub lord. > So it does not become totally useless as assumed.> > 4 step considers an orb of 3.33 degrees for all aspects based on the > experience of Mr. Gondhalekar who developed this theory. However this > can be extended up to 5 degrees in case of slow moving planets based > on the experience of the astrologer. > > Now, coming to the HONEST reply I have no hesitation to state > (1) 4 step is further advancement of KP > (2) 4 step has minimized the dependence on ruling planets> (3) 4 step is very simple for application even for a beginner> > So I prefer 4 step over KP unless some one convince me otherwise.> That does not mean KP is not dependable or is inferior. That is my > view……honest view.> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote:> >> > Dear Shri Raichurji.> > > > I did not understand the 4step book which I > > purchased, hence I requested you seniors to guide > > me before I embark on another study of the same > > and spend some time on 4 step.> > > > But luckily I have downloaded Your notes> > and Shri Tinwinjis too, from the e magazines> > of last year and taken out print out, which i > > feel would help me a lot on doing study of the same.> > > > I will surely come back to you in case> > of any doubts, as I am just a child in front of you> > scholars in both age as well as epcerience and knowledge. > > I look forward to educative contributions from> > Your goodself, Shri Yogeshraoji, Shri Tinwinji,> > and of course Kanak Bosnia ji and all the other experts > > on this forum of KP astrology, which I find as > > the best and authentic one on astrology.> > > > Fortunate to be here due to purva punya> > ....in the company of you Pitamhas and Gurus. > > > > regards,> > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > You have books on KP and 4 step.> > > You have studied both. You can put forth the differences between > > KP and 4 step, one by one and ask honest astologers, to say wether > > it is right or not> > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > Dear Rao Sahab,> > > > > > The title of the thread was put by me, and not > > > by Mr.Goswami. The Forum is not a individual> > > but made of thousands of individuals, and some > > > of them are honest and some are not. Duality> > > has to persist in nature. > > > > > > What I meant with the title was, > > > the seniors must not> > > give a roundabout reply or evade the query,> > > but reply with the best of innocence what they > > > feel about the 2 methods, the Traditional KP,> > > and the 4 step.> > > > > > I already have the book by Sunilji, and also> > > have about 650 books in my Library. But Reading > > > alone cannot make one a pundit. One does need> > > the help of a guide at times, a guide like> > > your goodself or other seniors who help us> > > with their experience, knowleedge and good advice. > > > > > > anyway, my query unfortunately still remains > > > unreplied honestly.> > > > > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Goswami,> > > >                              I > > take > > > strong exception to the language you have used...> > > >                               It > > > appears that people want to know/learn about a new improvement > in > > > K.P., without even buying the book written on the subject and > > > reading it... " free of cost " and without making any effort at > > all...I > > > think that we have yet to get out of this " guide " mentality... > > > >                              By > > > asking for an " honest reply " are you trying to insinuate that > > > false,or " dishonest  replies "  are also given...on this > site ? !> > > >                              If > > you > > > are not familiar with the nuances in the English Language...use > > > straight-forward questions... without imputing ant motives... > > > >                              > With > > > best wishes,> > > >                               > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > >                                 >  > >  Â> > >                 GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami@ > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Tuesday, 13 May, 2008 7:44:58 PM> > > > Re: Honest reply required.> > > > > > > > > > > > sir,> > > > can someone pin point basic differences between 4 step > > > > and the origiginal kp method.To me four step method> > > > does not take into consideration the sign lord and the> > > > star lord of a cusp.it does consider the sub-lord of > > > > the cusp,its star,sub and sub's star. did kp consider> > > > sub's sub's star.similarly 4 step does not consider> > > > the lord of the cusp if it is occupied by some > > > > planet,it considers only the empty houses for> > > > signification. kp considers the lord of the cusp as> > > > significator of the cusp even if some planet is> > > > there.though he says the tenent is stonger than the > > > > lord.in 4 step the planet is useless if it is a star> > > > of any other planet other than its own.perhaps kp does > > > > give important to such planet.4 step takes into> > > > consideration the opposite aspect of sun.moon,venus> > > > and mercury if it is within an orbit of 3.20m.shri> > > > raichoorji and other sr. members may like to comment > > > > on the difference pattern.regards- vasudhakar goswami> > > > > > > > Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more - http://in.search. > > > / search? & fr= na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & > > > rd=r1 & p=global+ warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chocoholics & #39; paradise! Enter here - > > > http://in.search. / search? > > > & fr=na_onnetwork_ mail_taglines & ei=UTF-8 & rd=r1 & p=chocolat es> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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