Late Marriage

May 5, 2008

Dear Hemant.

I am not sure I saw this data on net earlier also.

We must admit, Even simple matter like marriage event also eludes expert

May it be any system.

Mostly all astrological writings are post mortem study or selected

example based demonstrations of principles. Real predictions are rare.

Any way although, mail is addressed to Dr Luther, Here is how I SEE it

as per KP System perhaps it may interest you!

Step 1.

Is Data correct? We take RP at moment of judgment .Birth time RP should

match RP at moment of judgment

BT RP

as per given data using KP Ayanamsa NEW are

Lagna; 199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars Rahu

MOON: 097;58;49 Moon Saturn Ketu Saturn

Rahu:178:53:14 Mercury Mars Saturn Venus

Ketu;358:53:14

Jupiter Mercury Saturn Venus

The primary RPs are Mo, Ve,

Sa, Ra.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ma, Me, Ke.

According to some:Effective Ruling Planets: Mo, Ma, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Now look Judgment time

RP are

Lagan; 152:06:57 Mercury Sun Jupiter Venus

MOON:019:46:06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun

RAHU:299:49:08 Saturn Mars Saturn Jupiter

KETU: 119:49:08 Moon Mercury Saturn Jupiter

The primary RPs are Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.

According to some: Effective Ruling

Planets: Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve,

Ra.

So data need RBT.

Step 2

Which method to use?

Let us apply sub-star connection because

Moon and Venus RP do not match.

Lagna

rising at birth for reported time & MOON at

time of Judgment

Lagna;199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars Rahu

MOON:019:46:06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun

So we have to examine

SUB-Star level connection at SIGN,STAR and SUB level. Time chart position is (TOJ: 3:05:31 PM on 05 May 2008 at

27N11 and 78E02)

SUN: Ar 021:22:50 Ma Ve Ju Mo

MOON: Ar 019:46:06 Ma Ve Ra Su

MARS: Cn 003:45:06 Mo Sa Sa Me

MERCURY Ta 010:20:17 Ve Mo Mo Ju

JUPITER: Sg 028:27:30 Ju Su Ma Ma

VENUS: Ar 012:04:09 Ma Ke Me Ve

SATURN: Le 007:48:05 Su Ke Ju Sa

RAHU: Cp 029:49:08 Sa Ma Sa Ju

KETU: Cn 029:49:08 Mo Me Sa Ju

Thus we find

Venus and Mars at sign

level are unconnected.

Rah and venus at star level

are unconnected

Rahu and Sun at sub

level are unconnected.

We are supposed to

stop at first sign level itself.

BT is unacceptable.

Method of MPS

It gives TOB to be

5:44:41 PM and not as reported.

I wonder should we cast Chart FOR

this time and predict.

Let us experiment.

We caste horoscope FOR

23 May 1977 for 5:44:41 PM for Indore.

We notice VII Cuspal sub

lord is Saturn.

Saturn is deposited in

Star of Mercury.

Mer is

significator of 5.6.1 & 8.

Some people see

significator of Cuspal sub lord ( Sat )

Sat Signify 6.9.12.

Either way none sat or

Mercury denotes II, VII or XI.

So marriage is denied.

Let us reconfirm it.

A. As per KP position

of Sat in houses V causes delay

B. If Saturn is

connected with II,VII and XI by Occupation, Ownership

or is posited in constellation of any of 2,7 or !1 house it causes delay

C. If Sat has no

connection with 2,7 or 11 BUT only throws aspect, DENIAL

and disappointment is the result.

Lastly 7 CSL , if is connected with IV,VI or X marriage is denied.

In chart under

discussion,

A & B does not

apply.

C applies .Shows disappointment and denial.

VII CSL is Saturn but

not connected with 4,6 and 10.

Experts may enlighten,

where mistake lies.

Dear Hemant, please do not take it prediction.

This posting is just an effort to

learn from experienced list members

How newcomers like me commit mistakes in

application.

With best wishes.

Dear Dr Luther,

This is a case of Late marriage, the native in question is about to be 31 and still

there seems no chances of marriage, one of local astrologer has told him that

he will have 2 marriages and that too long time back but still no marriage at all,

native wants to know when will he get married and is it true that he will undergo

two marriages,

his data are 23.05.1977,5.31PM,indore, Pl apply BTR if needed

regards

Hemant

May 7, 2008

Dear swami,bip,

I appreciate ur work on the question intended of Dr. luther,

resp swami it is so humble that stalwart like u consider urself a beginner,but

matter of fact is no one uptil now could predict correctly for this chart,some

vedic astrologer is of openion that bhagyodaya of person will be after marriage

only and now u have predicted no marriage at all,another sr member has predicted

marriage this yr,possible he might not have applied BTR,no one was able to

correctly predict the profession of this person,u can take it as an exercise to

find occupation of this person,by the way uptil now there is no foreign

connection as asked by bip,if u need futher info for BTR i will provide that,u

can directly converse on mail ID also

astrology i suppose shd be applicable so as to have correct answers 99% of

times,post mortem studies are of no use for human kind.Differnce in analysis for

same chart by different persons might generate different results due to diff

understanding of subject still as far as KP is concerned it shd not be there,

regards

Hemant

--- On Mon, 5/5/08, swami <swami wrote:

swami <swami

Late Marriage

Monday, May 5, 2008, 3:38 AM

Dear Hemant.

I am not sure I saw this data on net earlier also.

We must admit, Even simple matter like marriage event also eludes expert May it

be any system.

Mostly all astrological writings are post mortem study or selected example based

demonstrations of principles. Real predictions are rare.

Any way although, mail is addressed to Dr Luther, Here is how I SEE it as per KP

System perhaps it may interest you!

Step 1.

Is Data correct? We take RP at moment of judgment .Birth time RP should match RP

at moment of judgment

BT RP as per given data using KP Ayanamsa NEW are

Lagna; 199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars Rahu

MOON: 097;58;49 Moon Saturn Ketu Saturn

Rahu:178:53:14 Mercury Mars Saturn Venus

Ketu;358:53:14 Jupiter Mercury Saturn Venus

The primary RPs are Mo, Ve, Sa, Ra.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ma, Me, Ke.

According to some:Effective Ruling Planets: Mo, Ma, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Now look Judgment time RP are

Lagan; 152:06:57 Mercury Sun Jupiter Venus

MOON:019:46:06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun

RAHU:299:49:08 Saturn Mars Saturn Jupiter

KETU: 119:49:08 Moon Mercury Saturn Jupiter

The primary RPs are Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.

According to some: Effective Ruling Planets: Su , Mo , Ma, Me, Ve, Ra.

So data need RBT.

Step 2

Which method to use?

Let us apply sub-star connection because Moon and Venus RP do not match.

Lagna rising at birth for reported time & MOON at time of Judgment

Lagna;199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars Rahu

MOON:019:46:06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun

So we have to examine SUB-Star level connection at SIGN,STAR and SUB level. Time

chart position is (TOJ: 3:05:31 PM on 05 May 2008 at 27N11 and 78E02)

SUN: Ar 021:22:50 Ma Ve Ju Mo

MOON: Ar 019:46:06 Ma Ve Ra Su

MARS: Cn 003:45:06 Mo Sa Sa Me

MERCURY Ta 010:20:17 Ve Mo Mo Ju

JUPITER: Sg 028:27:30 Ju Su Ma Ma

VENUS: Ar 012:04:09 Ma Ke Me Ve

SATURN: Le 007:48:05 Su Ke Ju Sa

RAHU: Cp 029:49:08 Sa Ma Sa Ju

KETU: Cn 029:49:08 Mo Me Sa Ju

Thus we find

Venus and Mars at sign level are unconnected.

Rah and venus at star level are unconnected

Rahu and Sun at sub level are unconnected.

We are supposed to stop at first sign level itself.

BT is unacceptable.

Method of MPS

It gives TOB to be 5:44:41 PM and not as reported.

I wonder should we cast Chart FOR this time and predict.

Let us experiment.

We caste horoscope FOR 23 May 1977 for 5:44:41 PM for Indore .

We notice VII Cuspal sub lord is Saturn.

Saturn is deposited in Star of Mercury.

Mer is significator of 5.6.1 & 8.

Some people see significator of Cuspal sub lord ( Sat )

Sat Signify 6.9.12.

Either way none sat or Mercury denotes II, VII or XI.

So marriage is denied.

Let us reconfirm it.

A. As per KP position of Sat in houses V causes delay

B. If Saturn is connected with II,VII and XI by Occupation, Ownership or is

posited in constellation of any of 2,7 or !1 house it causes delay

C. If Sat has no connection with 2,7 or 11 BUT only throws aspect, DENIAL and

disappointment is the result.

Lastly 7 CSL , if is connected with IV,VI or X marriage is denied.

In chart under discussion,

A & B does not apply.

C applies .Shows disappointment and denial.

VII CSL is Saturn but not connected with 4,6 and 10.

Experts may enlighten, where mistake lies.

Dear Hemant, please do not take it prediction.

This posting is just an effort to learn from experienced list members

How newcomers like me commit mistakes in application.

With best wishes.

Dear Dr Luther,

This is a case of Late marriage, the native in question is about to be 31 and

still there seems no chances of marriage, one of local astrologer has told him

that he will have 2 marriages and that too long time back but still no marriage

at all, native wants to know when will he get married and is it true that he

will undergo two marriages,

his data are 23.05.1977,5. 31PM,indore, Pl apply BTR if needed

regards

Hemant

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May 8, 2008

Dear Hemant,

It is quite unfortunate that followers of Tradition Astrology System,after swithing over to K.P., unfortunately allow some ideas from Traditional Astrology like "yogas" etc.,to creep into their analyses...hence ending up with a hotch-potch of both systems...which is not desuireable...

After learning K.P., and particularly before applying it...one should UNLEARN most of the Traditional Astrological principles EXCEPT the very basic ones...

This will go a long way to apply K.P., correctly and get astoundingly correct results...

In this very forum a few days ago two K.P. astrologers worked out the correct TOB of a child using the established K.P. Method and both arrived at the very same TOB... !

Members are requested to verify this...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Hemant <hem.d007 Sent: Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 9:38:08 PMRe: Late Marriage

Dear swami,bip,I appreciate ur work on the question intended of Dr. luther,resp swami it is so humble that stalwart like u consider urself a beginner,but matter of fact is no one uptil now could predict correctly for this chart,some vedic astrologer is of openion that bhagyodaya of person will be after marriage only and now u have predicted no marriage at all,another sr member has predicted marriage this yr,possible he might not have applied BTR,no one was able to correctly predict the profession of this person,u can take it as an exercise to find occupation of this person,by the way uptil now there is no foreign connection as asked by bip,if u need futher info for BTR i will provide that,u can directly converse on mail ID alsoastrology i suppose shd be applicable so as to have correct answers 99% of times,post mortem studies are of no use for human kind.Differnce in analysis for same chart by different persons might generate

different results due to diff understanding of subject still as far as KP is concerned it shd not be there, regardsHemant--- On Mon, 5/5/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Late Marriage@gro ups.comMonday, May 5, 2008, 3:38 AM Dear Hemant.I am not sure I saw this data on net earlier also.We must admit, Even simple matter like marriage event also eludes expert May it be any system.Mostly all astrological writings are post mortem study or selected example

based demonstrations of principles. Real predictions are rare.Any way although, mail is addressed to Dr Luther, Here is how I SEE it as per KP System perhaps it may interest you! Step 1.Is Data correct? We take RP at moment of judgment .Birth time RP should match RP at moment of judgment BT RP as per given data using KP Ayanamsa NEW are Lagna; 199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON: 097;58;49 Moon Saturn Ketu SaturnRahu:178:53: 14 Mercury Mars Saturn VenusKetu;358:53: 14 Jupiter Mercury

Saturn VenusThe primary RPs are Mo, Ve, Sa, Ra.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ma, Me, Ke.According to some:Effective Ruling Planets: Mo, Ma, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Ke. Now look Judgment time RP are Lagan; 152:06:57 Mercury Sun Jupiter VenusMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu SunRAHU:299:49: 08 Saturn Mars Saturn JupiterKETU: 119:49:08 Moon Mercury Saturn JupiterThe primary RPs are Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve.Planets aspected by the primary RPs:

Ra.According to some: Effective Ruling Planets: Su , Mo , Ma, Me, Ve, Ra.So data need RBT.Step 2Which method to use?Let us apply sub-star connection because Moon and Venus RP do not match.Lagna rising at birth for reported time & MOON at time of Judgment Lagna;199;22; 37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun So we have to examine SUB-Star level connection at SIGN,STAR and SUB level. Time chart position is (TOJ: 3:05:31 PM on 05 May 2008 at 27N11 and 78E02)SUN:

Ar 021:22:50 Ma Ve Ju MoMOON: Ar 019:46:06 Ma Ve Ra SuMARS: Cn 003:45:06 Mo Sa Sa MeMERCURY Ta 010:20:17 Ve Mo Mo JuJUPITER: Sg 028:27:30 Ju Su Ma MaVENUS: Ar

012:04:09 Ma Ke Me VeSATURN: Le 007:48:05 Su Ke Ju SaRAHU: Cp 029:49:08 Sa Ma Sa JuKETU: Cn 029:49:08 Mo Me Sa Ju Thus we find Venus and Mars at sign level are unconnected.Rah and venus at star level are unconnectedRahu and Sun at sub level are unconnected.We are supposed to stop at first sign level itself.BT is

unacceptable.Method of MPSIt gives TOB to be 5:44:41 PM and not as reported.I wonder should we cast Chart FOR this time and predict.Let us experiment.We caste horoscope FOR 23 May 1977 for 5:44:41 PM for Indore .We notice VII Cuspal sub lord is Saturn.Saturn is deposited in Star of Mercury.Mer is significator of 5.6.1 & 8.Some people see significator of Cuspal sub lord ( Sat )Sat Signify 6.9.12.Either way none sat or Mercury denotes II, VII or XI.So marriage is denied.Let us reconfirm it.A. As per KP position of Sat in houses V causes delayB. If Saturn is connected with II,VII and XI by Occupation, Ownership or is posited in constellation of any of 2,7 or !1 house it causes delayC. If Sat has no connection with 2,7 or 11 BUT only throws aspect, DENIAL and disappointment is the result.Lastly 7 CSL , if is connected with IV,VI or X marriage is denied.In chart

under discussion,A & B does not apply.C applies .Shows disappointment and denial.VII CSL is Saturn but not connected with 4,6 and 10.Experts may enlighten, where mistake lies.Dear Hemant, please do not take it prediction.This posting is just an effort to learn from experienced list members How newcomers like me commit mistakes in application.With best wishes. Dear Dr Luther,This is a case of Late marriage, the native in question is about to be 31 and still there seems no chances of marriage, one of local astrologer has told him that he will have 2 marriages and that too long time back but still no marriage at all, native wants to know when will he get married and is it true that he will undergo two marriages,his data are 23.05.1977,5. 31PM,indore, Pl apply BTR if needed regardsHemant ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________

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May 8, 2008

Dear Sir,

In the mean time Swamiji has replied your queries. I am so much thankful to him that he answered before I did. I have no qualification to comment on the analysis and presiction of such a learned astrologer. I am very sorry for my delay.

Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/7/08, Hemant <hem.d007 wrote:

Hemant <hem.d007Re: Late Marriage Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 4:08 PM

Dear swami,bip,I appreciate ur work on the question intended of Dr. luther,resp swami it is so humble that stalwart like u consider urself a beginner,but matter of fact is no one uptil now could predict correctly for this chart,some vedic astrologer is of openion that bhagyodaya of person will be after marriage only and now u have predicted no marriage at all,another sr member has predicted marriage this yr,possible he might not have applied BTR,no one was able to correctly predict the profession of this person,u can take it as an exercise to find occupation of this person,by the way uptil now there is no foreign connection as asked by bip,if u need futher info for BTR i will provide that,u can directly converse on mail ID alsoastrology i suppose shd be applicable so as to have correct answers 99% of times,post mortem studies are of no use for human kind.Differnce in analysis for same chart by different persons might generate

different results due to diff understanding of subject still as far as KP is concerned it shd not be there, regardsHemant--- On Mon, 5/5/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Late Marriage@gro ups.comMonday, May 5, 2008, 3:38 AM Dear Hemant.I am not sure I saw this data on net earlier also.We must admit, Even simple matter like marriage event also eludes expert May it be any system.Mostly all astrological writings are post mortem study or selected example based demonstrations of principles. Real predictions are rare.Any way although, mail is addressed to Dr Luther, Here

is how I SEE it as per KP System perhaps it may interest you! Step 1.Is Data correct? We take RP at moment of judgment .Birth time RP should match RP at moment of judgment BT RP as per given data using KP Ayanamsa NEW are Lagna; 199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON: 097;58;49 Moon Saturn Ketu SaturnRahu:178:53: 14 Mercury Mars Saturn VenusKetu;358:53: 14 Jupiter Mercury Saturn VenusThe primary RPs are Mo, Ve, Sa, Ra.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ma, Me, Ke.According to

some:Effective Ruling Planets: Mo, Ma, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Ke. Now look Judgment time RP are Lagan; 152:06:57 Mercury Sun Jupiter VenusMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu SunRAHU:299:49: 08 Saturn Mars Saturn JupiterKETU: 119:49:08 Moon Mercury Saturn JupiterThe primary RPs are Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.According to some: Effective Ruling Planets: Su , Mo , Ma, Me, Ve, Ra.So data need RBT.Step 2Which method to use?Let us apply sub-star

connection because Moon and Venus RP do not match.Lagna rising at birth for reported time & MOON at time of Judgment Lagna;199;22; 37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun So we have to examine SUB-Star level connection at SIGN,STAR and SUB level. Time chart position is (TOJ: 3:05:31 PM on 05 May 2008 at 27N11 and 78E02)SUN: Ar 021:22:50 Ma Ve Ju

MoMOON: Ar 019:46:06 Ma Ve Ra SuMARS: Cn 003:45:06 Mo Sa Sa MeMERCURY Ta 010:20:17 Ve Mo Mo JuJUPITER: Sg 028:27:30 Ju Su Ma MaVENUS: Ar 012:04:09 Ma Ke Me VeSATURN:

Le 007:48:05 Su Ke Ju SaRAHU: Cp 029:49:08 Sa Ma Sa JuKETU: Cn 029:49:08 Mo Me Sa Ju Thus we find Venus and Mars at sign level are unconnected.Rah and venus at star level are unconnectedRahu and Sun at sub level are unconnected.We are supposed to stop at first sign level itself.BT is unacceptable.Method of MPSIt gives TOB to be 5:44:41 PM and not as reported.I wonder should we cast Chart FOR this time and

predict.Let us experiment.We caste horoscope FOR 23 May 1977 for 5:44:41 PM for Indore .We notice VII Cuspal sub lord is Saturn.Saturn is deposited in Star of Mercury.Mer is significator of 5.6.1 & 8.Some people see significator of Cuspal sub lord ( Sat )Sat Signify 6.9.12.Either way none sat or Mercury denotes II, VII or XI.So marriage is denied.Let us reconfirm it.A. As per KP position of Sat in houses V causes delayB. If Saturn is connected with II,VII and XI by Occupation, Ownership or is posited in constellation of any of 2,7 or !1 house it causes delayC. If Sat has no connection with 2,7 or 11 BUT only throws aspect, DENIAL and disappointment is the result.Lastly 7 CSL , if is connected with IV,VI or X marriage is denied.In chart under discussion,A & B does not apply.C applies .Shows disappointment and denial.VII CSL is Saturn but not connected with

4,6 and 10.Experts may enlighten, where mistake lies.Dear Hemant, please do not take it prediction.This posting is just an effort to learn from experienced list members How newcomers like me commit mistakes in application.With best wishes. Dear Dr Luther,This is a case of Late marriage, the native in question is about to be 31 and still there seems no chances of marriage, one of local astrologer has told him that he will have 2 marriages and that too long time back but still no marriage at all, native wants to know when will he get married and is it true that he will undergo two marriages,his data are 23.05.1977,5. 31PM,indore, Pl apply BTR if needed regardsHemant ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ

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May 9, 2008

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipataye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Dr Luther and other friends ,

Sorry,

I am not famous swami Omkar.My ID/ signatures " swami_RCS" is about a decade old.

Although I learned KP around 1981 but my interest has been spirituality and I worked as Engineer in GOVT department leaving little time to learn properly .

I understand ,I must answer only postings that are not addressed by Name to any one else.

I appreciate list members for their tolerance that they are bearings my postings ,many of them could be childish before the Senior contributors.

My enthusiasm has been to be of use to those seeking answers, but I do not know, how far I am right or wrong .

One thing to end,I expect corrections and improvement on my postings for I am just a beginner, but can not unlearn Vedic astrology For it is the mother of all astrological learning's.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCShttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com] -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

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Luther Rath

Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:50 PM

Re: Late Marriage

Dear Sir,

In the mean time Swamiji has replied your queries. I am so much thankful to him that he answered before I did. I have no qualification to comment on the analysis and presiction of such a learned astrologer. I am very sorry for my delay.

Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/7/08, Hemant <hem.d007 > wrote:

Hemant <hem.d007 >Re: Late Marriage Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 4:08 PM

Dear swami,bip,I appreciate ur work on the question intended of Dr. luther,resp swami it is so humble that stalwart like u consider urself a beginner,but matter of fact is no one uptil now could predict correctly for this chart,some vedic astrologer is of openion that bhagyodaya of person will be after marriage only and now u have predicted no marriage at all,another sr member has predicted marriage this yr,possible he might not have applied BTR,no one was able to correctly predict the profession of this person,u can take it as an exercise to find occupation of this person,by the way uptil now there is no foreign connection as asked by bip,if u need futher info for BTR i will provide that,u can directly converse on mail ID alsoastrology i suppose shd be applicable so as to have correct answers 99% of times,post mortem studies are of no use for human kind.Differnce in analysis for same chart by different persons might generate different results due to diff understanding of subject still as far as KP is concerned it shd not be there, regardsHemant--- On Mon, 5/5/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Late Marriage@gro ups.comMonday, May 5, 2008, 3:38 AM Dear Hemant.I am not sure I saw this data on net earlier also.We must admit, Even simple matter like marriage event also eludes expert May it be any system.Mostly all astrological writings are post mortem study or selected example based demonstrations of principles. Real predictions are rare.Any way although, mail is addressed to Dr Luther, Here is how I SEE it as per KP System perhaps it may interest you! Step 1.Is Data correct? We take RP at moment of judgment .Birth time RP should match RP at moment of judgment BT RP as per given data using KP Ayanamsa NEW are Lagna; 199;22;37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON: 097;58;49 Moon Saturn Ketu SaturnRahu:178:53: 14 Mercury Mars Saturn VenusKetu;358:53: 14 Jupiter Mercury Saturn VenusThe primary RPs are Mo, Ve, Sa, Ra.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ma, Me, Ke.According to some:Effective Ruling Planets: Mo, Ma, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Ke. Now look Judgment time RP are Lagan; 152:06:57 Mercury Sun Jupiter VenusMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu SunRAHU:299:49: 08 Saturn Mars Saturn JupiterKETU: 119:49:08 Moon Mercury Saturn JupiterThe primary RPs are Su, Mo, Ma, Me, Ve.Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.According to some: Effective Ruling Planets: Su , Mo , Ma, Me, Ve, Ra.So data need RBT.Step 2Which method to use?Let us apply sub-star connection because Moon and Venus RP do not match.Lagna rising at birth for reported time & MOON at time of Judgment Lagna;199;22; 37 Venus Rahu Mars RahuMOON:019:46: 06 Mars Venus Rahu Sun So we have to examine SUB-Star level connection at SIGN,STAR and SUB level. Time chart position is (TOJ: 3:05:31 PM on 05 May 2008 at 27N11 and 78E02)SUN: Ar 021:22:50 Ma Ve Ju MoMOON: Ar 019:46:06 Ma Ve Ra SuMARS: Cn 003:45:06 Mo Sa Sa MeMERCURY Ta 010:20:17 Ve Mo Mo JuJUPITER: Sg 028:27:30 Ju Su Ma MaVENUS: Ar 012:04:09 Ma Ke Me VeSATURN: Le 007:48:05 Su Ke Ju SaRAHU: Cp 029:49:08 Sa Ma Sa JuKETU: Cn 029:49:08 Mo Me Sa Ju Thus we find Venus and Mars at sign level are unconnected.Rah and venus at star level are unconnectedRahu and Sun at sub level are unconnected.We are supposed to stop at first sign level itself.BT is unacceptable.Method of MPSIt gives TOB to be 5:44:41 PM and not as reported.I wonder should we cast Chart FOR this time and predict.Let us experiment.We caste horoscope FOR 23 May 1977 for 5:44:41 PM for Indore .We notice VII Cuspal sub lord is Saturn.Saturn is deposited in Star of Mercury.Mer is significator of 5.6.1 & 8.Some people see significator of Cuspal sub lord ( Sat )Sat Signify 6.9.12.Either way none sat or Mercury denotes II, VII or XI.So marriage is denied.Let us reconfirm it.A. As per KP position of Sat in houses V causes delayB. If Saturn is connected with II,VII and XI by Occupation, Ownership or is posited in constellation of any of 2,7 or !1 house it causes delayC. If Sat has no connection with 2,7 or 11 BUT only throws aspect, DENIAL and disappointment is the result.Lastly 7 CSL , if is connected with IV,VI or X marriage is denied.In chart under discussion,A & B does not apply.C applies .Shows disappointment and denial.VII CSL is Saturn but not connected with 4,6 and 10.Experts may enlighten, where mistake lies.Dear Hemant, please do not take it prediction.This posting is just an effort to learn from experienced list members How newcomers like me commit mistakes in application.With best wishes. Dear Dr Luther,This is a case of Late marriage, the native in question is about to be 31 and still there seems no chances of marriage, one of local astrologer has told him that he will have 2 marriages and that too long time back but still no marriage at all, native wants to know when will he get married and is it true that he will undergo two marriages,his data are 23.05.1977,5. 31PM,indore, Pl apply BTR if needed regardsHemant ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ

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May 11, 2008

Respected Sir,

I do believe that you deserve the respect and honour we, at least me, show to you. Wehave to learn many things from your analysis and predictios. Your 27 years in astrology is quite long experience. I wish you guide us when ever you feel to do so.

Your message shows your highness.

With due regards.

Dr. Luther

--- On Fri, 5/9/08, swami <swami wrote:

swami <swamiRe: Late Marriage Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 4:34 AM

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Om SreeMahaGanaadhipat aye Namah Hari Om,

Dear Dr Luther and other friends ,

Sorry,

I am not famous swami Omkar.My ID/ signatures " swami_RCS" is about a decade old.

Although I learned KP around 1981 but my interest has been spirituality and I worked as Engineer in GOVT department leaving little time to learn properly .

I understand ,I must answer only postings that are not addressed by Name to any one else.

I appreciate list members for their tolerance that they are bearings my postings ,many of them could be childish before the Senior contributors.

My enthusiasm has been to be of use to those seeking answers, but I do not know, how far I am right or wrong .

One thing to end,I expect corrections and improvement on my postings for I am just a beginner, but can not unlearn Vedic astrology For it is the mother of all astrological learning's.

with regards.

OM TATSAT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_RCShttp:\\www.kaalvast u.com] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

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Luther Rath

@gro ups.com

Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:50 PM

Re: Late Marriage

Dear Sir,

In the mean time Swamiji has replied your queries. I am so much thankful to him that he answered before I did. I have no qualification to comment on the analysis and presiction of such a learned astrologer. I am very sorry for my delay.

Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/7/08, Hemant <hem.d007 > wrote:

Hemant <hem.d007 >Re: Late Marriage@gro ups.comWednesday, May 7, 2008, 4:08 PM