Intriguing query from learner

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Respected senior KP stalwarts,

While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to give clear guide line to deal with followinf cases:

 

· In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].

· Many times I find planets very near to each other in the (i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of nearness ?

· How will you treat following cases for rotation of Horary chart ?

Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

Querry to astrologer by stranger for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

· I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it proper ?

Biprid

 

 

 

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Dear Bipin,

 

I am no senior and no stalwart but my replies as under -

 

// In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than

one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees]. //

 

Strictly speaking even if the planet has crossed 1 degree

in the next cusp, it means it is treated in the next cusp.

Predictions if are going wrong in your case, may be attributed

to many reasons, and not just because you find.................

 

// Many times I find planets very near to each other in the

(i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs.

Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any

importance of degree of nearness ? //

 

Of course they would be conjunct in both cases.

Nearness of degrees , is a questionable affair.

Differs from individiual to individual astrologer

how they feel. I personally allow 4 degrees as

conjunction to manifest.

 

 

// How will you treat following cases for rotation of Horary

chart ?

Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son

or daughter //

 

5th house of horary chart for elder son, or daughter and 3 houses

away for next,

 

which is the 7th.

 

// Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or

daughter/next son or daughter//

 

Naturally the same as above, because again the wife would be giveing

a Horary number,

 

as a individual, there is no meaning or trying to link the

astrologer to the query.

 

// Querry to astrologer by stranger for his elder son or

daughter/next son or daughter//

 

Same as above. I dont understand the purport of your queries. No

meaning. Astrologer is a seperate entity. Whoever comes to him

enquring him for his elder son/daughter would have to be checked

from the 5th cusp of the Horaray chart.

 

// I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is

it proper ? //

 

This is not proper, but why worry about the world what they are

doing is proper or not ?

 

You must worry whether you are meeting a proper astrologer or not.

And your worry must stop at that. Not beyond.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Bips Vasavada <biprid wrote:

>

> Respected senior KP stalwarts,

> While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain

situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you

to give clear guide line to deal with followinf cases:

> ·         In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more

than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].

> ·         Many times I find planets very near to each other in the

(i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call

them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree

of nearness ?

> ·         How will you treat following cases for rotation of

Horary chart ?

> Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son

or daughter

> Querry to astrologer by his wife for  their  elder son or

daughter/next son or daughter

> Querry to astrologer by stranger for  his  elder son or

daughter/next son or daughter

> ·         I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in

rotation ? Is it proper ?

> Biprid

>

>

>

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Dear Bips,

All such "diparities" that you have observed have been clearly explained in K.P. Readers .

Kindly study these readers vey thoroughly anbd carefully...you will then never have occasion to ask such questions again...

Shri Chandrakant Bhatt's "Nakshatra Chintamani" will also help...it is available in 3 Parts...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

Bips Vasavada <biprid Sent: Tuesday, 6 May, 2008 6:05:50 PM Intriguing query from learner

 

 

 

Respected senior KP stalwarts,

While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to give clear guide line to deal with followinf cases:

 

· In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].

· Many times I find planets very near to each other in the (i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of nearness ?

· How will you treat following cases for rotation of Horary chart ?

Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

Querry to astrologer by stranger for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter

· I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it proper ?

Biprid

 

 

 

 

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See Replies below each questionBips Vasavada <biprid wrote: Respected senior KP stalwarts, While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to give clear guide line to deal with follow inf cases: · In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].ARR: Planets near the cusp(i take 3 deg 20 min), will give results of the house in which they are situate, and also of the Cusp (house) to which they are near · Many times I find planets very near to each other in the (i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of nearness ?Arr: in kp conjunction is by degrees, not signs · How will you treat following cases for rotation of Hoary chart ? Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son Ans: 5th, 7th, Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or daughterAns 5th, 7th etc from 7th, i.e. 11 and 1From

stranger. Ans: The stranger has to give his relationship with the parents of the child. This will determine the house. which is Lagna, and then the 5,7, etc from that house.Suppose he a friend of the parents, then the Male parent will be 11th. Now use 5,7 etc from this House· I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it proper. Logically correct. AS the Lagna of the Son/Daughter are connected to the 5,7, of the Parents, THEY are not exactly same. Best is to get a Horary

NO from the daughter or son involved. ?BBiprid Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. raichur anant mumbai

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Respected Shri Raichurji,

Thank you very much sir for clear cut replies.That shows the way.

For the last uestion and reply repeated herewith for ready reference:

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My querry: I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in

rotation ? Is it proper

Your Reply: Logically correct. AS the Lagna of the Son/Daughter are

connected to the 5,7, of the Parents, THEY are not exactly same. Best

is to get a Horary NO from the daughter or son involved.

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I do agree with you that best course is to get question and

no.directly from the person concerned.But many times it is not

possible as usually parents/friends are genuinely interested and the

person concerned is either frustrated or keeping very busy.

Can you please elaborate further from your experience whether it is

worthwhile to rotate the chart or to judge as it is if the querry is

genuine from near dears.

Thanks again for very useful reply.

Biprid

 

 

 

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

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> See Replies below each question

>

> Bips Vasavada <biprid wrote:

> Respected senior KP stalwarts,

> While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain

situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to

give clear guide line to deal with follow inf cases:

> · In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more

than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].

>

> ARR: Planets near the cusp(i take 3 deg 20 min), will give results

of the house in which they are situate, and also of the Cusp (house)

to which they are near

>

> · Many times I find planets very near to each other in the

(i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them

conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of

nearness ?

> Arr: in kp conjunction is by degrees, not signs

>

> · How will you treat following cases for rotation of Hoary

chart ?

> Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son

>

> Ans: 5th, 7th,

>

> Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or

daughter/next son or

> daughter

> Ans 5th, 7th etc from 7th, i.e. 11 and 1

> From stranger.

> Ans: The stranger has to give his relationship with the parents of

the child. This will determine the house. which is Lagna, and then

the 5,7, etc from that house.

> Suppose he a friend of the parents, then the Male parent will be

11th. Now use 5,7 etc from this House

> · I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in

rotation ? Is it proper

> . Logically correct. AS the Lagna of the Son/Daughter are connected

to the 5,7, of the Parents, THEY are not exactly same. Best is to get

a Horary NO from the daughter or son involved.

>

> ?B

> Biprid

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IDear Biprid, f you cannot get a Horary from the son/daghter concerned, then adopt the rotation method. Late Prof KSK has used this in his solved examples.. I use this method. good luck biprid <biprid wrote: Respected Shri Raichurji,Thank you very much sir for clear cut replies.That shows the way.For the last uestion and reply repeated herewith for ready

reference:-------------------------My querry: I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it properYour Reply: Logically correct. AS the Lagna of the Son/Daughter are connected to the 5,7, of the Parents, THEY are not exactly same. Best is to get a Horary NO from the daughter or son involved.-------------------------I do agree with you that best course is to get question and no.directly from the person concerned.But many times it is not possible as usually parents/friends are genuinely interested and the person concerned is either frustrated or keeping very busy.Can you please elaborate further from your experience whether it is worthwhile to rotate the chart or to judge as it is if the querry is genuine from near dears.Thanks again for very useful

reply.Biprid , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> See Replies below each question> > Bips Vasavada <biprid wrote: > Respected senior KP stalwarts,> While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to give clear guide line to deal with follow inf cases:> · In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].> > ARR: Planets near the cusp(i take 3 deg 20 min), will give results of the house in which they are situate, and also of the Cusp (house) to which they are near> > · Many times I find planets very near to each other in the (i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases

? is there any importance of degree of nearness ?> Arr: in kp conjunction is by degrees, not signs> > · How will you treat following cases for rotation of Hoary chart ?> Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son > > Ans: 5th, 7th, > > Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or> daughter> Ans 5th, 7th etc from 7th, i.e. 11 and 1> From stranger. > Ans: The stranger has to give his relationship with the parents of the child. This will determine the house. which is Lagna, and then the 5,7, etc from that house.> Suppose he a friend of the parents, then the Male parent will be 11th. Now use 5,7 etc from this House> · I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it proper> . Logically correct. AS the Lagna of the Son/Daughter are connected to the 5,7, of the Parents,

THEY are not exactly same. Best is to get a Horary NO from the daughter or son involved.> > ?B> Biprid> > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>raichur anant mumbai

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Dear Sir,

Regarding conjunction of planets may I say that the occupation of the concerned planets in same or different sings, stars or sub has no effect in conjunction. Whereever they are, if they are with in a degree from each other they are considered to be in conjunction by most astrologers.So I suppose this distance has to be given due importance. I would put here, only as an information, that unless the planets remain with in a distance of 15 minutes, there cannot be real conjunction. If they are at a bigger distance they can be easily be differenciated by telescopes. I don't want to say that this should be followed untill and unless the stallwart astologers pass an approoval after verification of the fact.

Regarding the 5 degree distance for considering conjunction i would like to say that the Moon and Sun conjunct with each other on the days of eclipse when they reach to a proximity of 5 degrees. The Moon is very very near to earth so the conjunction at 5 degrees. But for other planets that are quite far off this distance shall not be acceptable. I such cases we should consider 1 degree only.

 

It needs comments from senior astrologers.

 

Dr. Luther --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Intriguing query from learner Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

Dear Bipin,I am no senior and no stalwart but my replies as under -// In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees]. //Strictly speaking even if the planet has crossed 1 degreein the next cusp, it means it is treated in the next cusp. Predictions if are going wrong in your case, may be attributed to many reasons, and not just because you find......... .........// Many times I find planets very near to each other in the(i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of nearness ? //Of course they would be conjunct in both cases.Nearness of degrees , is a questionable affair.Differs from individiual to individual astrologerhow they feel. I personally allow 4 degrees asconjunction to manifest.// How will you treat following

cases for rotation of Horary chart ?Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter //5th house of horary chart for elder son, or daughter and 3 houses away for next,which is the 7th.// Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or daughter//Naturally the same as above, because again the wife would be giveing a Horary number,as a individual, there is no meaning or trying to link the astrologer to the query.// Querry to astrologer by stranger for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter//Same as above. I dont understand the purport of your queries. No meaning. Astrologer is a seperate entity. Whoever comes to him enquring him for his elder son/daughter would have to be checked from the 5th cusp of the Horaray chart.// I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is

it proper ? //This is not proper, but why worry about the world what they are doing is proper or not ?You must worry whether you are meeting a proper astrologer or not. And your worry must stop at that. Not beyond.best wishes,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyot ish.com@gro ups.com, Bips Vasavada <biprid wrote:>> Respected senior KP stalwarts,> While analysing Birth and Horary charts,I came across certain situations which are detrimental to final outcome.I request you to give clear guide line to deal with followinf cases:> · In many chats where predictions go wrong I find more than one planet very near to cusps [1 to 5 degrees].> · Many times

I find planets very near to each other in the (i) Same sign (ii) same house but different signs. Will you call them conjuct in both the cases ? is there any importance of degree of nearness ?> · How will you treat following cases for rotation of Horary chart ?> Query by astrologer himself for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter> Querry to astrologer by his wife for their elder son or daughter/next son or daughter> Querry to astrologer by stranger for his elder son or daughter/next son or daughter> · I came across kp astrologers who donot believe in rotation ? Is it proper ?> Biprid> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ ___> Be a better friend, newshound, and >

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