Marriage, plz comments.- - - Think and rethink

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Daer Friends,

 

1. As per TOB given by the native, Atul, DOB 12-04-1979,TOB 4-50

(Original), POB Delhi 77E14,28N39, New KPA 23:28:39, KPAstro 3.0,

Geocenric Asc Piece 01-57-56 (Geographic Asc. Piece 01-58-30). As

per KP, marriage is found promised but realisation very difiicult.

 

2. It is said the exact TOB is 4-45-30 even withuot verifying with

major life events and to work out on this basis. No body knows what

is the exact or correct TOB, except very exceptional one Yogi ji

Karve. In astrology of world standard, there is no exact or correct

TOB but only rectified TOB, AA-rated TOB as per birth certificate

and birth record. I'm sorry to say that when this so-called exact or

correct TOB was sent to me by private mail to work out on this

basis, I feel personally like saying a joke.

 

3. Why we can't analyse as per original TOB? What is the reason of

changing original TOB? To get the diiferernt result, other than the

one given by original TOB?

 

4. As per the so-called exact TOB, Atul, DOB 12-04-1979,TOB 4-45-30

(Adjusted), POB Delhi 77E14,28N39, New KPA 23:28:39, KPAstro 3.0,

Geocenric Asc Piece 0-21-30 (Geographic Asc. Piece 0-22-16). As per

KP, marriage is found not promised and a life event of an accident

is checked and said it's fit with the chart, but accident is found

not promised. (As per original TOB, an accident is found both

promised and fit with the chart.)

 

5. When it is asked whether to conclude marriage is not promised as

per the socalled exact TOB, the answer is -- if not so conclusive it

is to go to horary. What kind of circus is goin on?

 

6. What kind of result can be got by driving a bullock cart by

changing one bullock with one buffelo, ie. using the original chart

and the revised cuspal sublord without recasting the chart?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Swami ji,

>

> It's still going on in the vicious circle from sure to not sure,

try

> again from not sure to sure. Let us wait and see what can we learn

> form this.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " swami " <swami@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > Hari Om,

> > Dear friends,

> > The discussion initiated by Shri Shivendra Tiwari, is an eye

> opener.

> > Whole fraternety is inconclusive of Marriage of Shri ATUL.Forget

> about marriage timing.

> > This calls for audit on our part, where we stand .

> > May divine grant us clarity in correct application of principle

we

> follow.

> > Please fogive me for my lack of understanding, if my conclusion

is

> faulty.

> >

> > OM TATSAT

> > ------------------------

> > Swami_RCS

> > -----------------------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine

Being

> who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > --------------------------------

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> > -

> > Shivendra Tiwari

> >

> > Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:53 PM

> > Re: Marriage, plz comments.

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > Thanks for help. I will try my level best.

> > regards

> > yours

> >

> >

> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> wrote:

> > Dear Shivendra,

> > As per your own

analysis/confirmation

> the TOB arrived at is correct...but you are apprehensive about

your

> reading of his marriage...In that case the best way out,is to

> resoert to Horary Horoscopy...ask him to give you a horary number

> between 1 & 249...and analyse...

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

> >

> >

> > Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56@>

> >

> > Thursday, 20 March, 2008 11:18:51 AM

> > Re: Marriage, plz comments.

> >

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > I made my attempt to check the correctness of horoscop of

the

> corrected time as suggested.

> > Atul, DOB 12-04-1979, TOB 4-45-30, POB Delhi 77E14, 28N39,

> Asc. Piece 0-22-15 i.e. Jup-Jup-Moon- Ven.

> > To verify correctness the first rule was verified by Shri

> Sheetal ji and corrected the TOB as 4-45-30 against 4-50 Hrs.

> > As per another rule, 9th house should connected with Asc. In

> this case 9th lord is mars having positional status and placed in

> Asc. The star lord Sat is in leo lord of which Sun having

positional

> status is also placed in Asc. The sub lord of 9th is Ven which is

in

> star of Jup the lord of Asc. Hence this is also satisfy.

> > Finally we may test the correctness by event which would

have

> been taken place in past. Mr. Atul was accidented on 3-2-2002

during

> the period of Rahu-Ven-Mer- Rahu period and his L 3 & L4 was

breaked

> resultantly his spin was compressed so his legs remained

disterebed

> for three to four month. In short this is verifyable through

revised

> TOB.

> > Coming to the point again CSL 7 is Rahu and in no way

> connected to 2, 5, 7 and 11 except 8. Again should I declare " No

> marriage " .

> > with regards

> > yours.

> >

> > Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56@ .co. in> wrote:

> > Respected sir

> > Thanks a lot. Though I have casted chart with the help of

> corrected time given by you and will submit my finding by evening

> today. Since I am worried a number 03 came in my mind for the

> purpose, so kindly take it for the purpose.

> > Regards

> > Yours

> >

> >

> > Sheetal <ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > Why dont u give kp no to tally the birth chart

findings!!!

> > Dr Sheetal

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Sheetal

> <ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > When I examined the birth chart, I took out the RP at

> the time of judgement of birth chart. In 4step we use routinely RP

> to fix Vidasha when there is doubt in mind, and also to confirm

the

> sublord of the house under querry in birth chart. I judged the

chart

> at Male,on 18th March 08 at 00.45Am and Rulling planets were =Mars-

> Venus- Shani-moon- Moon.Shani was Moon star lord. There was no

Guru

> in Rulling so I took nearby planet Shani as the sublord of house

> under querry.Also Moon and Mars are there to consider as Vidasha

> and Sukshma though there was no doubt in my mind for Vidasha

> >

> > 7th sublord either Guru or shani both signify +ve

houses

> for marriage 5,7,8,11 along with negating houses 6,10,12 etc but I

> personally feel When 7th sub has given green signal for marriage

it

> will compete it and then the role of negating houses will come.

> >

> > One point came to my mind while going through this

chart

> 2nd time and I want to request Mr Sunil Gondhalekar to correct me

if

> anything wrong. Because in RP, Rahu represents Shani and if I take

> Rahu as 7th sublord then Rahu signify=1,3, 6,8,12. Mostly all

> negating houses at all 4steps expect 8th house which is taken as

> supporting house for marriage. So I have doubt in mind will this

8th

> house signification will give marriage to this person in presence

of

> all other negating houses at all steps? I request Sunil sir to

give

> his advice and opinion to me.

> >

> > Thanks and regards

> > Sheetal

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Shivendra Tiwari

> <shivendra56@ .co. in> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Dr. Sheetal

> > Thanks for taking pain and providing relief. Sir if

> you donot feel otherwise, kindly guide me as to how I should take

> CSL 7 as Sat in place of Jup.

> > Regards

> > yours

> >

> >

> > Sheetal <ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > Dear Shivendra

> >

> > I have tried to solve the querry with Astro 3.3

> SW ,by 4step method.When I solved this querry at Male,On 18th

March

> at 00.45AM, Guru is not in rulling but Shani is there so I took

> Shani as 7th sublord;

> >

> > 7th sub shani signifies 5,8,11 & 3,9 along with

> negating houses 6,10,12, So marriage is promised with lot of

marital

> problems in life.

> >

> > Presently running dashas are=Guru--Shani- -Shani

> >

> > STRONG PLANETS=SUN,MARS,RAHU, KETU & MOON. NO CUSPAL

> PLANETS: SHUKRA+KETU CONJUNCTION 1*

> > ASP=CUSPAL ASPECT WITHIN 3*.20' ORBIT; GURU--9H;

> SHANI-- 8H;MARS--8H

> >

> > STEP SIGNIFICATION OF PLANETS=

> >

> > GURU M.DASHA=5,6,10,11+9, 8

> > 5,8,11+ve houses and 6,10--ve houses also.

> >

> > SHANI BHUKTI = 3,5,6,8,9,10, 11,12

> > 5,8,11 +ve houses and 6,10,12 --ve houses also.

> >

> > MOON VIDASHA=5,7,10,11+9, 6

> > 5,7,11 +ve houses and 6,12 --ve houses also.

> >

> > MARS SUKHSMA=1,2,4,6,9,+ 8

> > 2 is the required house so I took sushma of Mars

to

> complete the chain of 2,7,11+5,8 supporting houses

> >

> > This period is 28th May to 2nd June( if birth time

> 4.50 is taken then GURU is 7th sublord and Mars sukshma period is

> 6th June to 10th june.)

> >

> > TRANSIT= Transit favourable for all dasha swamis

> betn 28th May to 10th june.(at first 2steps, for Guru and Shani

> through subs and for fast Mars thruough star.)

> >

> > Conclusion= Atul should get married between 28th

May

> and 1oth June 09.(Guru--Shani- -Moon--Mars)

> >

> > NB=Guru, Shani,Moon, Mars all dasha swamis are

> strong significator for +ve houses for marriage so he should get

> married definitely but all dasha swamis are strong significators

of -

> -ve houses for marriage also so that show he will have mariatal

> problems in his life. These negative houses should not deny

marriage

> to him.

> >

> > Best of luck to Atul

> > Regards

> > Dr Sheetal

> >

> >

> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM, shivendra56

> <shivendra56@ .co. in> wrote:

> >

> > Name: ATUL,

> > DOB: 12-04-1979,

> > TOB: 04:50AM.

> > POB: Kasturba Hospital, Delhi. 77:14:16 East,

> 28:38:54 North.

> > NKPA (2003): 23:28:41.

> > Asc.: Pieces 01:58:16.

> >

> > Sir,

> > I have examined the chart to find out marriage.

KP

> Rule:

> > house 2, 7 & 11 are to be examined. Csl 7 should

> signify 2, 7 or 11

> > than marriage would be promised. In this case

> house 2, 7 and 11 are

> > here as under: -

> >

> > 2. Ar. Mars – Ketu – Sat vacant.

> > 7. Vir. Mer – Sun – Jup Moon (in

own

> star)

> > 11. Sag. Jup – Sun – Moon Vacant.

> >

> > Analysis: Cuspal sub lord of 7 is Jup. Jup has

no

> positional status

> > since Mer, Ven and Ketu are in Jup star. Jup

> occupy 5 th and owned 1

> > not empty, 10 (E) & 11(E). Jup is in Sat star

> occupy 6 th and owned

> > 12 (not empty). Jup is in Mer sub having no

> positional status and

> > occupy 1 owned 4 (E), 5 & 7 both not empty. Mer

is

> in Jup star

> > signify 1,5,10 & 11. Thus Jup signify 7 & 11 so

> marriage is promised.

> > But its connection with 6 and 12 indicate

> difficulty.

> >

> > Significators:

> > 2 nd house is vacant. Mars rules 2 nd house. Non

> in mars star so Mars

> > signify 2 nd. Mars is in sub of sun. Non in sun

> star, Sun occupy 1

> > but does not own any house. Sun is in Mer star

> owned 7 hence Mars is

> > fruitful.

> >

> > 7 th house is occupied by Moon and owned by Mer.

> Moon is in own star

> > and in Ven sub. Since Ven has no positional

status

> so signify 1, 5 10

> > & 11. Hence Moon is fruitful. Mer has no

> positional status since Sun

> > is in Mer star. Sun is in sub of Sat in 6

signify

> 3, 8 and 12. So sun

> > is not fruitful since it indicate break in

> negotiation of marriage.

> > Mer is in Jup star and rahu sub. Since Rahu has

> positional status so

> > strongly signify 6 th a negative house hence not

> good.

> >

> > 11 th house is empty and owned by Jup. Mer, Ven

> and Ketu are in Jup

> > star. Mer as has already discussed is not

> fruitful. Ven is in Sat sub

> > in 6 in star of Ven occupy 12 owned 3 & 8 hence

> not fruitful.

> > Similarly Ketu having positional status

conjoined

> with Ven and

> > strongly an agent of Ven which is not fruitful.

> Further Ketu is in

> > sub of Sat signify 6 and 3, 8 & 12 hence not

> fruitful.

> >

> > Thus only fruitful significators are Jup, Mars

and

> Moon. But this

> > period will come so late when marriage is not

> probable. Sir any

> > member will comment upon of possibility of

> marriage in near future.

> > with regards

> > yours

> > Shivendra

> >

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