Signification of a Planet in Close Conjunction with a Cusp

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Signification of a Planet in Close Conjunction with a Cusp

 

Basic KP Rule

 

1. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu is basically a grade B significator of 12th house as per physically occupation of 12th house. It will become grade A strong significator, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star.

 

Close Conjunction KP Rule

 

2. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu is closely conj. to the 1st cusp within 3d:20m orb and so it is basically a grade B significator of 1st house by assuming as if Ketu is in the 1st house even though it is physically occupies 12th house according to Guruji KSK and other KP scholars (Pl see Attachment). It will become grade A strong significator, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star.

 

4 Step Signification Rule

 

3. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu is conj. before the 1st cusp within 3d:20m orb and so it is a primary significator of 1st house without requiring any other consideration. In addition, Ketu is also a secondary significator of 12th house and becomes a primary significator of 12th house, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 9deg. Aries, Ketu is conj. after the 1st cusp, Ketu is a primary significator of 1st house only. This is as per 4 Step Significator Rule of a Planet in Conjunction with a Cusp as mentioned in:

-A Study Note on Four Step Theory, para no. 11, in the file section of this KP group

- Four Step Theory, para no. 16, KPE-Zine, Dec-2007, www.loger.com

 

4. When Ketu is a primary significator of both 12th and 1st houses, the result of 1st house cannot be effective as 12th house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to 1st house. (KP Reader III, Old Edition part 1 p 108/ New Edt p 113, KP Reader IV, 1984, page 192).

 

 

ATTACHMENT

 

Signification of a Planet in Close Conjunction with a Cusp

 

1. KP Reader IV, 1984, p 108, under "Is Marriage promised? Why is there Abnormal Delay?"

 

"Rahu is posited in Thula very near the 11th cusp.---" (Rahu Li 13-09, XI cusp 15-38-42)

 

ie., 2:30 orb and the effect of 11th house is taken even though Rahu physically occupies 10th house. By occupation of Rahu it is a grade B significator of 11th house and will become a grade A strong significator, if Rahu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. This is the only one place that mentioned about the close conjunction of a planet to the cusp. Guruji KSK has not said that a planet on the cusp gives the strongest result.

 

2. K.M. Subramaniam (Sub Lord Speaks)

 

The planet in 8th house but near 9th cusp gives higher education to the native. (Thanks to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar for reference.) This is the same as Guruji KSK has said and Shri Subramaniam usually would say that planet is a full (grade A strong) significator, if it is with no planet in its star.

 

3. Shri Raichur

 

a) Msg#1590 of this KP group

 

Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slightly less than that of the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as the next cusp.

 

b) Msg#2665 of this KP group

 

Technically the Placemnt is strickly according to the degrees of the planet and the house cusp. However, practical experince shows that if the planet is very near the cusp, then it gives the results of the cusp. Mr raichur's SW allows for 3.3 deg (A nakshatra pada)

based on his experience.

 

c) Msg#9255 of this KP group

 

It is my experience, as well as of Mr Sunil Gondhalekar that when planets are close to a cusp, they not only give results of the house they are in, but predominantly of the house to which they are near. We fixed 3.2 deg as 1/4 of a pada of the nakstra, as an approximation. I agree we need research on this before we can accept it as a Rule. But we should not ignore the possibility.

 

4. T. Rajendra Kumar: "Aspects and Orbs in K.P. – New Features", K.P. Year Book 2000, pp 80-83, in an example chart Jupiter is in V cusp but is very near (just 57 min before) the VI cusp. It influenced his service. Even though the VI cuspal sublord is Mars

the native got into teaching. "ORB 1 or 1.5 deg"

 

5. T. Rajendra Kumar, M.COM, GRAD `CWA': "K.P. in Every Corner" by, KP ANNUAL 2003, p.45-48; in an example Jupiter (in Cp 10-22) is actually in 5th house (6th cusp Cp 11-32), but it signifies 6th house as per "ORB Theory" (which was approved with case presented in magazines like "KP & Astrlogy" & "The times of Astrlogy"). If a planet within 1 or 2 deg behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the following house, gains the significance of the following house, ie. Jupiter gains significance of 6th house and loses signification of 5th house where Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6th house

 

6. C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer: "K.P. Sub is an Endoscope", KP Year Book 2005, pp 58-62, As Moon is in closed proximity to the II cusp by 5 deg and as this fastest planet offers continued family offered 2nd marriage to the native. "ORB 5 deg proximity"

 

7. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-8: "5 or 6 degree" may signify the previous cusp; "1 or 2 deg" having the same sublord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp, (similar to Msg#1590); Considering the planets beyond the limit of

the cusp concerned will make Krishnamurti Padhdhati diverse in character, lose its image and make it a rigmarole."

 

8. Carl Woebcke (Western astrologer): You and the Universe (Sample Complete Basic Astrology Reading)

 

IF the Sun is in your third house AND also within 3°-4° of your fourth house cusp (check the orb in the header), THEN its expression through your fourth house is at least as strong as through your third; if its orb is less than 1.5°, it should be read as though it were in the fourth house and not in the third at all!

 

 

, "murthy_yedebettu" <geethamurthy wrote:>> SunilJI> > Can you elaborate on change in significance based on the other planets> occupying the star of ketu?> Does having other planet mars in 12 change situation?> > Or is it rule has to be followed for all the planets on the cusps?> > > , "sunil gondhalekar"> sunilalaka@ wrote:> >> > dear shri.murthy,> > as per 4 step theory the rules for planets on cusp is> > 1.if there are planets in star of planet then in your case ketu> > will signify only 1st house.> > 2.if there are no planets in star of ketu,then ketu will signify 12> and 1 st> > house> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > 1. The general finding by many astrologers' experience is that if a> > > planet is close to the next cusp (within 3deg:20 min), that planet> > > becomes the significator of the next house. In the given example,> > > Ketu is supposed to signfy the 1st house, even though it's> > > physically located in the 12th house.> > >> > > 2. As per 4 step, Ketu is supposed to signify both 12th and 1st> > > houses.> > >> > > 3. If Ketu is in its own star, it is the strong significator of the> > > house it occupied. As per the above Orb practice, Ketu is supposed> > > to strongly signify 1st house as Ketu is assumed as if in the 1st> > > house.> > >> > > 4. As per 4 step, in my understanding, Ketu is supposed to strongly> > > signify both 12th and 1st houses. If I'm wrong, a correction by the> > > 4 step authority is apreciated.> > >> > > 5. As per the above Orb practice, two planets beyond 3deg:20 min orb> > > are not supposed to be conjunct.> > >> > > 6. Ketu is not an agent of Mars to give the result of Mars.> > >> > > 7. The interseting questions have been raised. For further KP study,> > > KP books can be ordered on line from reliable --> > >> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik@>> > > astroclinic@> > >> > >> > > > > cusp.Does> > > > > > it signify the cusp or the previous house?> > >> > > <%40>,> > > "murthy_yedebettu"> > > <geethamurthy@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Ketu is in his own star and no one occupies the ketu sign.> > > >> > > > Does ketu signify 1st house strongly or 12th . There ia a conflict.> > > >> > > > While i am at it> > > >> > > > Mars is in meena 26 degrees . does 8 degrees between ketu and kuja> > > > qualify conjuction? if so will kwtu signify Mars.> > > >> > > > Obviously you must have noticed my ignorance about kp.> > > >> > > > I can not buy any books here unless they are online. I do not find> > > any> > > > on line.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> > > "dubeyamitkumar"> > > > <dubeyamitkumar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > sir> > > > > ketu will be called the occupant of 12 but due to> > > close> > > > > conjuction with the ASC It will be taken for first house matters> > > also> > > > > (According to 4 step also)> > > > > With> > > Regards> > > > > AMIT> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>,> > > "murthy_yedebettu"> > > > > <geethamurthy@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > if planet is on a cusp ( with in 3 degrees) and behind the> > > > > cusp.Does> > > > > > it signify the cusp or the previous house?> > > > > >> > > > > > Like Asc 6degrees Aris and ketu 4degrees aries, Does ketu> > > signify> > > > > 12> > > > > > th or the ist as it falls in the cusp of the first house?> > > > > >> > > > > > Any ideas?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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Basic KP Rule 1. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu is basically a grade B significator of 12th house as per physically occupation of 12th house. It will become grade A strong significator, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. Close Conjunction KP Rule 2. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu

is closely conj. to the 1st cusp within 3d:20m orb and so it is basically a grade B significator of 1st house by assuming as if Ketu is in the 1st house even though it is physically occupies 12th house according to Guruji KSK and other KP scholars (Pl see Attachment). It will become grade A strong significator, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. 4 Step Signification Rule 3. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 4deg. Aries, Ketu is conj. before the 1st cusp within 3d:20m orb and so it is a primary significator of 1st house without requiring

any other consideration. In addition, Ketu is also a secondary significator of 12th house and becomes a primary significator of 12th house, if Ketu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. In the case of Asc 6deg. Aries and Ketu 9deg. Aries, Ketu is conj. after the 1st cusp, Ketu is a primary significator of 1st house only. This is as per 4 Step Significator Rule of a Planet in Conjunction with a Cusp as mentioned in: -A Study Note on Four Step Theory, para no. 11, in the file section of this KP group - Four Step Theory, para no. 16, KPE-Zine, Dec-2007, www.loger.com 4. When Ketu is a primary significator of both 12th and 1st houses, the result of 1st house cannot be effective as 12th house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to 1st house. (KP Reader III, Old Edition part 1 p 108/ New Edt p 113, KP Reader IV, 1984, page 192). ATTACHMENT Signification of a Planet in Close Conjunction with a Cusp

1. KP Reader IV, 1984, p 108, under "Is Marriage promised? Why is there Abnormal Delay?" "Rahu is posited in Thula very near the 11th cusp.---" (Rahu Li 13-09, XI cusp 15-38-42) ie., 2:30 orb and the effect of 11th house is taken even though Rahu physically occupies 10th house. By occupation of Rahu it is a grade B significator of 11th house and will become a grade A strong significator, if Rahu is with no planet in its star or in its own star. This is the only one place that mentioned

about the close conjunction of a planet to the cusp. Guruji KSK has not said that a planet on the cusp gives the strongest result. 2. K.M. Subramaniam (Sub Lord Speaks) The planet in 8th house but near 9th cusp gives higher education to the native. (Thanks to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar for reference.) This is the same as Guruji KSK has said and Shri Subramaniam usually would say that planet is a full (grade A strong) significator, if it is with no planet in its star. 3. Shri Raichur

a) Msg#1590 of this KP group Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slightly less than that of the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as the next cusp. b) Msg#2665 of this KP group Technically the Placemnt is strickly according to the degrees of the planet and the house cusp. However, practical experince shows that if the planet is very near the cusp, then it gives the results of the cusp. Mr raichur's SW allows for 3.3 deg (A nakshatra pada) based on his experience. c) Msg#9255 of this KP group It is my experience, as well as of Mr Sunil Gondhalekar that when planets are close to a cusp, they not only give results of the house they are in, but predominantly of the house to which they are near. We fixed

3.2 deg as 1/4 of a pada of the nakstra, as an approximation. I agree we need research on this before we can accept it as a Rule. But we should not ignore the possibility. 4. T. Rajendra Kumar: "Aspects and Orbs in K.P. – New Features", K.P. Year Book 2000, pp 80-83, in an example chart Jupiter is in V cusp but is very near (just 57 min before) the VI cusp. It influenced his service. Even though the VI cuspal sublord is Mars the native got into teaching. "ORB 1 or 1.5 deg" 5. T. Rajendra Kumar, M.COM, GRAD `CWA': "K.P. in Every Corner" by, KP ANNUAL 2003, p.45-48; in an example

Jupiter (in Cp 10-22) is actually in 5th house (6th cusp Cp 11-32), but it signifies 6th house as per "ORB Theory" (which was approved with case presented in magazines like "KP & Astrlogy" & "The times of Astrlogy"). If a planet within 1 or 2 deg behind the cusp of a house and no other planet in the following house, gains the significance of the following house, ie. Jupiter gains significance of 6th house and loses signification of 5th house where Jupiter actually located since there is no planet in 6th house 6. C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer: "K.P. Sub is an Endoscope", KP Year Book 2005, pp 58-62, As Moon is in closed proximity to the II cusp by 5 deg and as this fastest planet offers continued family offered 2nd marriage to the native. "ORB 5 deg proximity" 7. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-8: "5 or 6 degree" may signify the previous cusp; "1 or 2 deg" having the same sublord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp, (similar to Msg#1590); Considering the planets beyond the limit of the cusp concerned will make Krishnamurti Padhdhati diverse in character, lose its image and make it a rigmarole." 8. Carl Woebcke (Western astrologer): You and the Universe (Sample Complete Basic Astrology Reading) IF the Sun

is in your third house AND also within 3°-4° of your fourth house cusp (check the orb in the header), THEN its expression through your fourth house is at least as strong as through your third; if its orb is less than 1.5°, it should be read as though it were in the fourth house and not in the third at all! , "murthy_yedebettu" <geethamurthy wrote:>> SunilJI> > Can you elaborate on change in significance based on the other planets> occupying the star of ketu?> Does having other planet mars in 12 change situation?> > Or is it rule has to be followed for all the planets on the cusps?> > > , "sunil gondhalekar"> sunilalaka@ wrote:> >> > dear shri.murthy,> > as per 4 step theory the rules for planets on cusp is> > 1.if

there are planets in star of planet then in your case ketu> > will signify only 1st house.> > 2.if there are no planets in star of ketu,then ketu will signify 12> and 1 st> > house> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > 1. The general finding by many astrologers' experience is that if a> > > planet is close to the next cusp (within 3deg:20 min), that planet> > > becomes the significator of the next house. In the given example,> > > Ketu is supposed to signfy the 1st house, even though it's> > > physically located in the 12th house.> > >> > > 2. As per 4 step, Ketu is supposed to signify both 12th and 1st> > > houses.> > >> > > 3. If Ketu is in its own star, it is the strong significator of the> > > house it

occupied. As per the above Orb practice, Ketu is supposed> > > to strongly signify 1st house as Ketu is assumed as if in the 1st> > > house.> > >> > > 4. As per 4 step, in my understanding, Ketu is supposed to strongly> > > signify both 12th and 1st houses. If I'm wrong, a correction by the> > > 4 step authority is apreciated.> > >> > > 5. As per the above Orb practice, two planets beyond 3deg:20 min orb> > > are not supposed to be conjunct.> > >> > > 6. Ketu is not an agent of Mars to give the result of Mars.> > >> > > 7. The interseting questions have been raised. For further KP study,> > > KP books can be ordered on line from reliable --> > >> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik@>> > > astroclinic@> > >> > >> >

> > > cusp.Does> > > > > > it signify the cusp or the previous house?> > >> > > <%40>,> > > "murthy_yedebettu"> > > <geethamurthy@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Ketu is in his own star and no one occupies the ketu sign.> > > >> > > > Does ketu signify 1st house strongly or 12th . There ia a conflict.> > > >> > > > While i am at it> > > >> > > > Mars is in meena 26 degrees . does 8 degrees between ketu and kuja> > > > qualify conjuction? if so will kwtu signify Mars.> > > >> > > > Obviously you must have noticed my ignorance about kp.> > > >> > > > I can not buy any books here unless they are online. I do not

find> > > any> > > > on line.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> > > "dubeyamitkumar"> > > > <dubeyamitkumar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > sir> > > > > ketu will be called the occupant of 12 but due to> > > close> > > > > conjuction with the ASC It will be taken for first house matters> > > also> > > > > (According to 4 step also)> > > > > With> > > Regards> > > > > AMIT> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>,> >

> "murthy_yedebettu"> > > > > <geethamurthy@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > if planet is on a cusp ( with in 3 degrees) and behind the> > > > > cusp.Does> > > > > > it signify the cusp or the previous house?> > > > > >> > > > > > Like Asc 6degrees Aris and ketu 4degrees aries, Does ketu> > > signify> > > > > 12> > > > > > th or the ist as it falls in the cusp of the first house?> > > > > >> > > > > > Any ideas?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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