Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my mind- why starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for signification while in case of sub, star lord is considered? In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of starlord of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. Regards SUPRAKASH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 dear supraksh, KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and asks for sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step theory. but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then they may call as a separete theory and not 4 step theory. -sunil gondhalekar On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my mind- whystarlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for significationwhile in case of sub, star lord is considered?In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of starlord of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges.RegardsSUPRAKASH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Friends, 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'. 2. In contrary, " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the results and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable or not. " Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p 41 (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) " This discovery has crowned me with success. " KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in KP to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step' is not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without KP. 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the role of SUB as the decider. Regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear supraksh, > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and asks for > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step theory. > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then they may call > as a separete theory > and not 4 step theory. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my mind- why > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for signification > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of starlord > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > Regards > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 dear members, pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) one example is given by KSK.he quotes " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly refers to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying outside, loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the death of father. Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can Jupiter do the 9th house? What can Jupiter do to 12th house?Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the badhakashtanadhipati to 9,Jupiter indicates Badhaka to father. Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of Jupiter in that constellation indicates danger to father. " Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. thanks -sunil gondhalekar On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Friends,1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'.2. In contrary, " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the results and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable or not. " Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p 41 (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) " This discovery has crowned me with success. " KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in KP to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step' is not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without KP. 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the role of SUB as the decider. Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear supraksh,> KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and asks for> sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step theory.> but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then they may call> as a separete theory> and not 4 step theory.> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > >> >> > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my mind- why> > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for signification> > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > >> > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of starlord> > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges.> >> > Regards> >> > SUPRAKASH > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Friends, This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the extension of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. Regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear members, > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly refers > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying outside, > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the death of > father. > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can Jupiter do the > 9th house? > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the badhakashtanadhipati to > 9,Jupiter* > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of Jupiter in > that constellation* > *indicates danger to father. " * > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'. > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the results > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable or > > not. " > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p 41 > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in KP > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step' is > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without KP. > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the role > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and asks > > for > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step > > theory. > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then > > they may call > > > as a separete theory > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my > > mind- why > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for > > signification > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of > > starlord > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Shri Gondhalekar,My copy of the 3rd Reader is of August 1984. The paragraph quoted by you does not appear on page 140 in the edition that I have.Can you please give the title of the article in which this text appears? So, I can check whether it is there in the edition that I have.Regards,Sandeep Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 1984/old edition, part 1, page 140 2001/ new edition, page 147 , sandeep patel <sandeeppatel21 wrote: > > Dear Shri Gondhalekar, > > My copy of the 3rd Reader is of August 1984. The paragraph quoted by you does not appear on page 140 in the edition that I have. > > Can you please give the title of the article in which this text appears? So, I can check whether it is there in the edition that I have. > > Regards, > > Sandeep > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 also p 140 of KP Reader V p 84 of KP Reader VI This is the demonstration example in Guruji KSK's crowing of the discovery of the sub lord as the final deciding factor making him crowned with success simultaneously in 3 KP Readers III, V & VI, but not in the origignal KP 2 volumes of 1966. , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > 1984/old edition, part 1, page 140 > 2001/ new edition, page 147 > > > > , sandeep patel > <sandeeppatel21@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Gondhalekar, > > > > My copy of the 3rd Reader is of August 1984. The paragraph quoted > by you does not appear on page 140 in the edition that I have. > > > > Can you please give the title of the article in which this text > appears? So, I can check whether it is there in the edition that I > have. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sandeep > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 dear members, i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means he has taken sub's signification. now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any difference to me. -sunil gondhalekar On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Friends,This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the extension of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. Regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear members,> pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition)> one example is given by KSK.he quotes> " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly refers> to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying outside,> loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the death of> father.> Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can Jupiter do the> 9th house?> What can Jupiter do to 12th house?> *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the badhakashtanadhipati to> 9,Jupiter*> *indicates Badhaka to father.*> *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of Jupiter in> that constellation*> *indicates danger to father. " * > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step.> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'. > >> > 2. In contrary,> >> > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the results> > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable or> > not. " > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p 41> > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes)> >> > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41> >> > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in KP> > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step' is> > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without KP.> >> > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the role> > of SUB as the decider. > >> > Regards,> >> > tw> >> > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear supraksh,> > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and asks> > for> > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step> > theory.> > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then> > they may call > > > as a separete theory> > > and not 4 step theory.> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > >> > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > >> > > >> > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my> > mind- why> > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for > > signification> > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered?> > > >> > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification of> > starlord > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > SUPRAKASH> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dear Sunil, Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. Regards, Satish , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear members, > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means > he has taken sub's signification. > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > difference to me. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the extension > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly > > refers > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying > > outside, > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the > > death of > > > father. > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can > > Jupiter do the > > > 9th house? > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the badhakashtanadhipati > > to > > > 9,Jupiter* > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of > > Jupiter in > > > that constellation* > > > *indicates danger to father. " * > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'. > > > > > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the > > results > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable > > or > > > > not. " > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p > > 41 > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in > > KP > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step' > > is > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without > > KP. > > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the > > role > > > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, " sunil > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and > > asks > > > > for > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step > > > > theory. > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then > > > > they may call > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my > > > > mind- why > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for > > > > signification > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification > > of > > > > starlord > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 dear satish, yes,i have planted rose in kp principles named 4step theory. thousands have accepted it.so i am not worrying for any criticism. Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. -sunil gondhalekar On 3/9/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sunil,Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. Regards,Satish , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear members,> i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means> he has taken sub's signification.> now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > difference to me.> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is> > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord> > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from> > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the extension> > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. > >> > Regards,> >> > tw> > > > <% 40>, " sunil> > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > > > dear members,> > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition)> > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes> > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly> > refers> > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying> > outside,> > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the > > death of> > > father.> > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can> > Jupiter do the> > > 9th house?> > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the badhakashtanadhipati> > to> > > 9,Jupiter*> > > *indicates Badhaka to father.*> > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of > > Jupiter in> > > that constellation*> > > *indicates danger to father. " *> > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step.> > > thanks> > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's signification'.> > > >> > > > 2. In contrary,> > > >> > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the> > results> > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favvourable> > or> > > > not. " > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan 1966, p> > 41> > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > >> > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41> > > >> > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' in> > KP> > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 step'> > is> > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without > > KP.> > > >> > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the> > role> > > > of SUB as the decider.> > > >> > > > Regards, > > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, " sunil> > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear supraksh,> > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and> > asks > > > > for> > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step> > > > theory.> > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord also.then> > > > they may call> > > > > as a separete theory> > > > > and not 4 step theory.> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to my> > > > mind- why> > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for> > > > signification> > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > >> > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the signification> > of> > > > starlord> > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > SUPRAKASH> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Dear Friends, No one cannot fool this group with sufficient knowledge of KP. Regards, tw , " R Satish " <rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 > step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The > variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. > > Regards, > > Satish > > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear members, > > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means > > he has taken sub's signification. > > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > > difference to me. > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter > > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is > > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord > > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star > > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the > extension > > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > <% > 40>, " sunil > > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly > > > refers > > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying > > > outside, > > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the > > > death of > > > > father. > > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can > > > Jupiter do the > > > > 9th house? > > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the > badhakashtanadhipati > > > to > > > > 9,Jupiter* > > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of > > > Jupiter in > > > > that constellation* > > > > *indicates danger to father. " * > > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > > thanks > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's > signification'. > > > > > > > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the > > > results > > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is > favvourable > > > or > > > > > not. " > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan > 1966, p > > > 41 > > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' > in > > > KP > > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 > step' > > > is > > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the > > > role > > > > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40><% > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and > > > asks > > > > > for > > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step > > > > > theory. > > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord > also.then > > > > > they may call > > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to > my > > > > > mind- why > > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for > > > > > signification > > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the > signification > > > of > > > > > starlord > > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar, Here you say Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. but not in your website. Regards, tw Profile Mechanical engineer by profession. Started study of vedic astrology from 1970.Get in touch with Late Jyotindra Hasbe somewhere in 1979 and attracted with Krishnamurti Method widely known as KP Method. Started Study of KP Method and were getting very fantastic results about predictions. While studying this method I have found some discrepancies in method and then started more research. Research gives a good clue and developed some rules to get correct predictions. This new method was named as " 4 step theory " Now this theory is very popular in Maharashtra. Now I am known as a Pioneer in the field. Started half-yearly astrological magazine after demise of my guru, Jyotindra Hasbe from 1993 named " Nakshtrache Dene " in marathi language.It is getting more popularity till date. To get more advantage to students distance learning course on " 4 step theory " was introduced from 1996.Till date this course is studied by more Than 1500 students and enjoying the fruits. Conducted seminars on 4 step theory in various cities like Mumbai, Thane, Nagpur, Sangli, Pune,Surat,Dombivli,Belgaum. This crosses about 20 seminars. Written and published own books in marathi 1.Vivah Yoga 2.Nakshtra Sandesh 3.Nakstra Prabha. These books are very popular in the field. Written articles in various astrological magazines. Honoured by many titles like " Jyotish Alankar " , " Jyotish Maharshi " Awarded many titles by astrological institute like " Mandashri Puraskar " from Pune. Recently medal , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear satish, > yes,i have planted rose in kp principles named 4step theory. > thousands have accepted it.so i am not worrying for any criticism. > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/9/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 > > step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The > > variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. > > > > Regards, > > > > Satish > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means > > > he has taken sub's signification. > > > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > > > difference to me. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub Jupiter > > > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub Jupiter is > > > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star lord > > > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and its star > > > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the > > extension > > > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40>, " sunil > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > > > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna reults. > > > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun mostly > > > > refers > > > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long journey,staying > > > > outside, > > > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge the > > > > death of > > > > > father. > > > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What can > > > > Jupiter do the > > > > > 9th house? > > > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the > > badhakashtanadhipati > > > > to > > > > > 9,Jupiter* > > > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > > > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the sub of > > > > Jupiter in > > > > > that constellation* > > > > > *indicates danger to father. " * > > > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's > > signification'. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the > > > > results > > > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is > > favvourable > > > > or > > > > > > not. " > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan > > 1966, p > > > > 41 > > > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > > > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from the 'decider' > > in > > > > KP > > > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP 4 > > step' > > > > is > > > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' without > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has maintained the > > > > role > > > > > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><% > > 40><% > > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a sub.and > > > > asks > > > > > > for > > > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in 4 step > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord > > also.then > > > > > > they may call > > > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question came to > > my > > > > > > mind- why > > > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not considered for > > > > > > signification > > > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the > > signification > > > > of > > > > > > starlord > > > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Respected TW ji In your message #15397 dated Jan 3,2008 you advised that " the member is supposed not to make this forum unpleasent with your non- astrological personal matters " . Looking at your posting in message # 16761 it seems that this is not applicable to respectable senior member like you. With regards Subhash Ektare , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear sunil gondhalekar, > > Here you say > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > > but not in your website. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > Profile > > Mechanical engineer by profession. Started study of vedic astrology > from 1970.Get in touch with Late Jyotindra Hasbe somewhere in 1979 > and attracted with Krishnamurti Method widely known as KP Method. > Started Study of KP Method and were getting very fantastic results > about predictions. While studying this method I have found some > discrepancies in method and then started more research. Research > gives a good clue and developed some rules to get correct > predictions. This new method was named as " 4 step theory " > > Now this theory is very popular in Maharashtra. Now I am known as a > Pioneer in the field. Started half-yearly astrological magazine > after demise of my guru, Jyotindra Hasbe from 1993 > named " Nakshtrache Dene " in marathi language.It is getting more > popularity till date. To get more advantage to students distance > learning course on " 4 step theory " was introduced from 1996.Till > date this course is studied by more Than 1500 students and enjoying > the fruits. Conducted seminars on 4 step theory in various cities > like Mumbai, Thane, Nagpur, Sangli, Pune,Surat,Dombivli,Belgaum. > This crosses about 20 seminars. Written and published own books in > marathi 1.Vivah Yoga 2.Nakshtra Sandesh 3.Nakstra Prabha. These > books are very popular in the field. Written articles in various > astrological magazines. Honoured by many titles like " Jyotish > Alankar " , " Jyotish Maharshi " Awarded many titles by astrological > institute like " Mandashri Puraskar " from Pune. Recently medal > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear satish, > > yes,i have planted rose in kp principles named 4step theory. > > thousands have accepted it.so i am not worrying for any criticism. > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > On 3/9/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 > > > step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The > > > variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > <% > 40>, " sunil > > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means > > > > he has taken sub's signification. > > > > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > > > > difference to me. > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub > Jupiter > > > > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub > Jupiter is > > > > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star > lord > > > > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and > its star > > > > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > > > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the > > > extension > > > > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not KP. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40><% > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > > > > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna > reults. > > > > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun > mostly > > > > > refers > > > > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long > journey,staying > > > > > outside, > > > > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us judge > the > > > > > death of > > > > > > father. > > > > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What > can > > > > > Jupiter do the > > > > > > 9th house? > > > > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the > > > badhakashtanadhipati > > > > > to > > > > > > 9,Jupiter* > > > > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > > > > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the > sub of > > > > > Jupiter in > > > > > > that constellation* > > > > > > *indicates danger to father. " * > > > > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's > > > signification'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of > the > > > > > results > > > > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is > > > favvourable > > > > > or > > > > > > > not. " > > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan > > > 1966, p > > > > > 41 > > > > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from > the 'decider' > > > in > > > > > KP > > > > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and using 'KP > 4 > > > step' > > > > > is > > > > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' > without > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has > maintained the > > > > > role > > > > > > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > 40><% > > > 40><% > > > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a > sub.and > > > > > asks > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in > 4 step > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord > > > also.then > > > > > > > they may call > > > > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question > came to > > > my > > > > > > > mind- why > > > > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not > considered for > > > > > > > signification > > > > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the > > > signification > > > > > of > > > > > > > starlord > > > > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Dear Subhash Ektare ji, This is an astrological matter relating to Guruji KSK, not personal, which I'm not interseted. Regards, tw , " Subhash " <subhash_ektare wrote: > > Respected TW ji > > In your message #15397 dated Jan 3,2008 you advised that " the member > is supposed not to make this forum unpleasent with your non- > astrological personal matters " . Looking at your posting in message # > 16761 it seems that this is not applicable to respectable senior > member like you. > > With regards > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear sunil gondhalekar, > > > > Here you say > > > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > > > > but not in your website. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > Profile > > > > Mechanical engineer by profession. Started study of vedic astrology > > from 1970.Get in touch with Late Jyotindra Hasbe somewhere in 1979 > > and attracted with Krishnamurti Method widely known as KP Method. > > Started Study of KP Method and were getting very fantastic results > > about predictions. While studying this method I have found some > > discrepancies in method and then started more research. Research > > gives a good clue and developed some rules to get correct > > predictions. This new method was named as " 4 step theory " > > > > Now this theory is very popular in Maharashtra. Now I am known as a > > Pioneer in the field. Started half-yearly astrological magazine > > after demise of my guru, Jyotindra Hasbe from 1993 > > named " Nakshtrache Dene " in marathi language.It is getting more > > popularity till date. To get more advantage to students distance > > learning course on " 4 step theory " was introduced from 1996.Till > > date this course is studied by more Than 1500 students and enjoying > > the fruits. Conducted seminars on 4 step theory in various cities > > like Mumbai, Thane, Nagpur, Sangli, Pune,Surat,Dombivli,Belgaum. > > This crosses about 20 seminars. Written and published own books in > > marathi 1.Vivah Yoga 2.Nakshtra Sandesh 3.Nakstra Prabha. These > > books are very popular in the field. Written articles in various > > astrological magazines. Honoured by many titles like " Jyotish > > Alankar " , " Jyotish Maharshi " Awarded many titles by astrological > > institute like " Mandashri Puraskar " from Pune. Recently medal > > > > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear satish, > > > yes,i have planted rose in kp principles named 4step theory. > > > thousands have accepted it.so i am not worrying for any criticism. > > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > On 3/9/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4 > > > > step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The > > > > variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > <% > > 40>, " sunil > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means > > > > > he has taken sub's signification. > > > > > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any > > > > > difference to me. > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub > > Jupiter > > > > > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub > > Jupiter is > > > > > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star > > lord > > > > > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and > > its star > > > > > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > > > > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the > > > > extension > > > > > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > 40><% > > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > > > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes > > > > > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna > > reults. > > > > > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun > > mostly > > > > > > refers > > > > > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long > > journey,staying > > > > > > outside, > > > > > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us > judge > > the > > > > > > death of > > > > > > > father. > > > > > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What > > can > > > > > > Jupiter do the > > > > > > > 9th house? > > > > > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house? > > > > > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the > > > > badhakashtanadhipati > > > > > > to > > > > > > > 9,Jupiter* > > > > > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.* > > > > > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the > > sub of > > > > > > Jupiter in > > > > > > > that constellation* > > > > > > > *indicates danger to father. " * > > > > > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's > > > > signification'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In contrary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature > of > > the > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is > > > > favvourable > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > not. " > > > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan > > > > 1966, p > > > > > > 41 > > > > > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from > > the 'decider' > > > > in > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and > using 'KP > > 4 > > > > step' > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' > > without > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has > > maintained the > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > of SUB as the decider. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% > > 40><% > > > > 40><% > > > > > > 40>, " sunil > > > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear supraksh, > > > > > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a > > sub.and > > > > > > asks > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in > > 4 step > > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord > > > > also.then > > > > > > > > they may call > > > > > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > > > > > and not 4 step theory. > > > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question > > came to > > > > my > > > > > > > > mind- why > > > > > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not > > considered for > > > > > > > > signification > > > > > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the > > > > signification > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > starlord > > > > > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I would request all senior member to move on and stop this thread. Please no more posting on this thread, this topic is becoming personal. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Subhash Ektare ji,This is an astrological matter relating to Guruji KSK, not personal, which I'm not interseted. Regards,tw , " Subhash " <subhash_ektare wrote: >> Respected TW ji> > In your message #15397 dated Jan 3,2008 you advised that " the member> is supposed not to make this forum unpleasent with your non- > astrological personal matters " . Looking at your posting in message # > 16761 it seems that this is not applicable to respectable senior > member like you.> > With regards> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:> > > > Dear sunil gondhalekar,> > > > Here you say> > > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru.> > > > but not in your website.> > > > Regards, > > > > tw> > > > > > > > Profile > > > > Mechanical engineer by profession. Started study of vedic astrology > > from 1970.Get in touch with Late Jyotindra Hasbe somewhere in 1979 > > and attracted with Krishnamurti Method widely known as KP Method. > > Started Study of KP Method and were getting very fantastic results > > about predictions. While studying this method I have found some > > discrepancies in method and then started more research. Research > > gives a good clue and developed some rules to get correct > > predictions. This new method was named as " 4 step theory " > > > > Now this theory is very popular in Maharashtra. Now I am known as a > > Pioneer in the field. Started half-yearly astrological magazine > > after demise of my guru, Jyotindra Hasbe from 1993 > > named " Nakshtrache Dene " in marathi language.It is getting more > > popularity till date. To get more advantage to students distance > > learning course on " 4 step theory " was introduced from 1996.Till > > date this course is studied by more Than 1500 students and enjoying > > the fruits. Conducted seminars on 4 step theory in various cities > > like Mumbai, Thane, Nagpur, Sangli, Pune,Surat,Dombivli,Belgaum. > > This crosses about 20 seminars. Written and published own books in > > marathi 1.Vivah Yoga 2.Nakshtra Sandesh 3.Nakstra Prabha. These > > books are very popular in the field. Written articles in various > > astrological magazines. Honoured by many titles like " Jyotish > > Alankar " , " Jyotish Maharshi " Awarded many titles by astrological > > institute like " Mandashri Puraskar " from Pune. Recently medal > > > > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > > > dear satish,> > > yes,i have planted rose in kp principles named 4step theory.> > > thousands have accepted it.so i am not worrying for any criticism.> > > Pranam to KSK which is my Manas Guru. > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > > > On 3/9/08, R Satish <rsatish1942@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil, > > > >> > > > Rose by any other name smells as sweet. To me , KP, 4> > > > step, Cuspal intelinks, Khullar are all KP in several forms. The> > > > variations seen cannot fool any one with basic knowledge of KP.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Satish> > > >> > > > <% > > 40>, " sunil> > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > dear members,> > > > > i have shown you that KSK has used sub's star that means> > > > > he has taken sub's signification.> > > > > now whether this is 4 step or kp or anything doesnt make any> > > > > difference to me.> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > This is KP not KP 4 step. Here the star lord Saturn of sub > > Jupiter > > > > > > is consindered to know what the sub can do, and the sub > > Jupiter is> > > > > > the " deciding " factor. In 4 step these sub Jupiter and star > > lord> > > > > > Saturn are taken as significators like the planet Sun and > > its star> > > > > > Moon. It's the revision of the KP coner stone sub from > > > > > > the " deciding " factor to the significators. It's said the> > > > extension> > > > > > of KP but it's found the revision of KP. So 4 step is not > KP.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > > <% > > 40><%> > > > 40>, " sunil> > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear members,> > > > > > > pl.refer page no.140 of 3rd reader(july 1981 edition) > > > > > > > one example is given by KSK.he quotes> > > > > > > " There is no planets in Sun's star.Hence Sun gives lagna > > reults.> > > > > > > Sun is in Moon's star.Moon is in 9 and owns 12.Hence Sun > > mostly> > > > > > refers> > > > > > > to the matters signified by 9 and 12.i.e.long > > journey,staying> > > > > > outside, > > > > > > > loss of father,permanent possession of father.Let us > judge > > the> > > > > > death of> > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > Note the sub occupied by Sun.It is in Jupiter's sub.What > > can> > > > > > Jupiter do the> > > > > > > 9th house?> > > > > > > What can Jupiter do to 12th house?> > > > > > > *Jupiter is in Saturn's star.As Saturn is the > > > > badhakashtanadhipati> > > > > > to> > > > > > > 9,Jupiter*> > > > > > > *indicates Badhaka to father.*> > > > > > > *Therefore if a constellation indicates father,then the > > sub of> > > > > > Jupiter in> > > > > > > that constellation*> > > > > > > *indicates danger to father. " *> > > > > > > Now you decide whether this is KP or a kp 4step. > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > On 3/4/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. Guruji KSK has never ever nowhere asked 'sub's> > > > signification'. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. In contrary,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature > of > > the> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is> > > > favvourable> > > > > > or > > > > > > > > not. " > > > > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Volume 2, Sugar Publication, Jan> > > > 1966, p> > > > > > 41 > > > > > > > > (Rs 25/- for both Volumes)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > " This discovery has crowned me with success. " > > > > > > > > KP Reader III p. 137/ , V p.137 & VI p.41 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. 4 step has revised the role of the SUB from > > the 'decider'> > > > in> > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > to the 'significator'. So 4 step is NOT KP and > using 'KP > > 4> > > > step'> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > not appropriate and it should be used his own '4 step' > > without> > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4. Sub Lord Speaks author K.M. Subramaniam has > > maintained the > > > > > > role> > > > > > > > of SUB as the decider.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <% > > 40><%> > > > 40><% > > > > > > 40>, " sunil> > > > > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear supraksh,> > > > > > > > > KSK has divided nakshtra in 9 parts and called as a > > sub.and > > > > > > asks> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > sub's signification hence sub's star is considered in > > 4 step> > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > but some astrologers looks into star lord's starlord> > > > also.then> > > > > > > > they may call> > > > > > > > > as a separete theory > > > > > > > > > and not 4 step theory.> > > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/1/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > While going deep in to 4step theory, one question > > came to> > > > my> > > > > > > > mind- why> > > > > > > > > > starlord of the starlord of a planet is not > > considered for > > > > > > > > signification> > > > > > > > > > while in case of sub, star lord is considered?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In some cases I have found that if I take the > > > > signification> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > starlord> > > > > > > > > > of the starlord, a more clear picture emerges. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SUPRAKASH > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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