Pre & Extra marital relations...Eagerly await comments & analysis

February 6, 2008

Dear all Members,

I received a personal mail from Shri Yogesh rao Lajmi. So I sent

some cases. As proposed by Tinwin, I also sent one Chart to analyse.

Since I didnt receive any response to any of my mails, I wish to

put forth same Chart here for Veterans & all members to study &

comment. This is a reverse example, Though sublord of 5th house Rahu

is significator of 7,8th & 11th house, nothing happened as person

claims. Or am I making mistake in calling Rahu as significator of

7,8th & 11th house? Here are the details:---

DoB 30th June 1971

ToB 0305 am i.e. 29th night & dawn of 30th

Place Dombivli in Thane District, a suburb of Mumbai

, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare wrote:

>

> Dear Friends

>

> In my opinion Mr. Sujatkaramji is right. Just giving references

> confuse new students like me. And expecting everybody to choose the

> correct one is asking a bit too much.

>

> I appriciate Mr. Tin Win ji for his vast knowledge and hard work he

> does for promotion of Astrology. He is a living encyclopeadia, I

> accept. My proposal to all members is, " Why not form a research team

> under able guidance of Mr.Tin Winji ? " He can choose the topic for

> research, members to help him etc. Commitee of stalwarts like Lajmi

> ji, Raichur ji, Tin Winji, Gondhalekar ji and others may be formed to

> finalise the methodology of research. Each member can contribute to

> the database alongwith (research) working as suggested by the

> commitee which may be consolidated and summerized by Mr.Tin Winji.

>

> The research carried out alongwith results shall then be posted on

> the forum. Members of forum can express their views/opinions and

> finally a commitee/jury of learned members mentioned above can

> express their approval or otherwise. Thus we can eliminate many

> options and endorse the right one thus clearing the muddy water.

>

> I am ready to assist in this noble cause and hereby offer my services

> to Mr.Tin Winji....of course, if this proposal is acceptabble to him

> and all other members.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sujatkaram ji,

> >

> > That is why references are given to read Gurui KSK's view and 4

> step

> > view, if you want to know. Which one is true is open to imperical

> > research.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Tinwinji,

> > > sir,

> > > There are views, views and views and in most cases they

> contradict

> > > one another. Someone has jocularly said that we agree on only one

> > > point viz. Disagreement.When there is only one truth why

> different

> > > views should keep on floating ? I think this might be the

> > situation

> > > which our revered Guruji referred to as muddy water.And therefore

> > he

> > > gave us a wholesome complete system which has only one rule for

> > > prediction of each aspect of life.Are we going to contaminate

> > the

> > > waters again?

> > > It is not correct, in my opinion, to expect each and every

> student

> > to

> > > study all the views and arrive at correct conclusion. The

> > veterans,

> > > researchers and scholors have to do this and put forth a single

> > view

> > > that comes closest to the truth, and that view will stand good

> > until

> > > it is proved wrong.This happens in science.

> > > regards,

> > > sujat.-- In , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sujatkaram,

> > > >

> > > > 1. Why don't you read KP Reader VI page 145-147, if you want to

> > > > properly understand Guruji KSK's teaching in this regard.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The 4 Step view in this regard can be found in the 4 Step

> > note

> > > in

> > > > the file section of this group.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > The latest about retro. planets I came across is that a

> retro.

> > > > planet,

> > > > > in horaty, does give results; a planet in the star of a

> > > retro.planet

> > > > > will not give results only as long as the star planet is

> > > retrograde

> > > > but

> > > > > will give results after it begins to move direct.Is it

> correct?

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > sujatkaram

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2008

Dear Parag,

The data you have supplied is vague and exact details of DOB,POB & TOB ,about which I have already written to you, and details are still being AWAITED...which please note...

You will,I am sure appreciate that no K.P. Astrologer worth his name,will embark to analyse,let alone comment on the type of incomplete data you have sent...and stake his reputation...

I find your mail falsely accusing me,as totally unfair and hitting below the belt...and I suspect that you are upto some "game"...!

Pl. do not correspond with me, and I too refuse to respond to not only your mails,but any such motivated mails in future...

L.Y.Rao.

parag_m_g <parag_m_g Sent: Wednesday, 6 February, 2008 3:10:51 PM Pre & Extra marital relations...Eagerly await comments & analysis

Dear all Members,I received a personal mail from Shri Yogesh rao Lajmi. So I sentsome cases. As proposed by Tinwin, I also sent one Chart to analyse. Since I didnt receive any response to any of my mails, I wish toput forth same Chart here for Veterans & all members to study & comment. This is a reverse example, Though sublord of 5th house Rahuis significator of 7,8th & 11th house, nothing happened as personclaims. Or am I making mistake in calling Rahu as significator of7,8th & 11th house? Here are the details:---DoB 30th June 1971ToB 0305 am i.e. 29th night & dawn of 30thPlace Dombivli in Thane District, a suburb of Mumbai@gro ups.com, "Subhash" <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends> > In my

opinion Mr. Sujatkaramji is right. Just giving references > confuse new students like me. And expecting everybody to choose the > correct one is asking a bit too much.> > I appriciate Mr. Tin Win ji for his vast knowledge and hard work he > does for promotion of Astrology. He is a living encyclopeadia, I > accept. My proposal to all members is, "Why not form a research team > under able guidance of Mr.Tin Winji ?" He can choose the topic for > research, members to help him etc. Commitee of stalwarts like Lajmi > ji, Raichur ji, Tin Winji, Gondhalekar ji and others may be formed to > finalise the methodology of research. Each member can contribute to > the database alongwith (research) working as suggested by the > commitee which may be consolidated and summerized by Mr.Tin Winji.> > The research carried out alongwith results shall then be posted on >

the forum. Members of forum can express their views/opinions and > finally a commitee/jury of learned members mentioned above can > express their approval or otherwise. Thus we can eliminate many > options and endorse the right one thus clearing the muddy water.> > I am ready to assist in this noble cause and hereby offer my services > to Mr.Tin Winji....of course, if this proposal is acceptabble to him > and all other members.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sujatkaram ji,> > > > That is why references are given to read Gurui KSK's view and 4 > step > > view, if you want to know. Which one is true is

open to imperical > > research.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw > > > > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Tinwinji,> > > sir,> > > There are views, views and views and in most cases they > contradict > > > one another. Someone has jocularly said that we agree on only one > > > point viz. Disagreement. When there is only one truth why > different > > > views should keep on floating ? I think this might be the > > situation > > > which our revered Guruji referred to as muddy water.And therefore > > he

> > > gave us a wholesome complete system which has only one rule for > > > prediction of each aspect of life.Are we going to contaminate > > the > > > waters again?> > > It is not correct, in my opinion, to expect each and every > student > > to > > > study all the views and arrive at correct conclusion. The > > veterans, > > > researchers and scholors have to do this and put forth a single > > view > > > that comes closest to the truth, and that view will stand good > > until > > > it is proved wrong.This happens in science.> > > regards,> > > sujat.-- In @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >>

> > > Dear Sujatkaram,> > > > > > > > 1. Why don't you read KP Reader VI page 145-147, if you want to > > > > properly understand Guruji KSK's teaching in this regard.> > > > > > > > 2. The 4 Step view in this regard can be found in the 4 Step > > note > > > in > > > > the file section of this group.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram@ > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected members,> > > > > Sirs,> > > > > The

latest about retro. planets I came across is that a > retro. > > > > planet, > > > > > in horaty, does give results; a planet in the star of a > > > retro.planet > > > > > will not give results only as long as the star planet is > > > retrograde > > > > but > > > > > will give results after it begins to move direct.Is it > correct?> > > > > regards,> > > > > sujatkaram> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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February 10, 2008

I am surprised what else data you need? I grown up watching KP

astrologers erecting Horoscope with DoB, PoB & ToB. I havent come

across any other data.

I have already supplied one case with above details. Since Pandeyjee

accused me blame game & requested me to send personal mail, I promptly

sent correspondence I had with you. Neither He nor you erected or

analysed the chart & now Instead of saying sorry for the late reply,

You have accused me that I am upto some " game " .

I am amazed at the behaviour of few members here. I dont know what

wrong I have done! I just wanted to analyse above chart & correct me

whether I was wrong in saying that 5th sublord Rahu was significator

of 7,8th & 11th house!

I dont know what so much " Explosive " in such case that nobody is

daring to comment on this Natal chart! And instead accusing me of

" blame game " . I am shocked that even Moderator without confirming

anything accused me of " blame game " . I dont know what sort of " blame

game " , " Challenging KP System " etc is going on in this forum? Does

some Veteran members of this forum treat KP students this way? while

others remain silent on the issue?

I am deeply Hurt & totally disappointed with the way a forum named

after " Krishnamurthy Guruji's Padhhati " is run!

Parag

& , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Parag,

> The data you have supplied is vague and exact

details of DOB,POB & TOB ,about which I have already written to you,

and details are still being AWAITED...which please note...

> You will,I am sure appreciate that no K.P.

Astrologer worth his name,will embark to analyse,let alone comment on

the type of incomplete data you have sent...and stake his reputation...

> I find your mail falsely accusing me,as totally

unfair and hitting below the belt...and I suspect that you are upto

some " game " ...!

> Pl. do not correspond with me, and I too refuse to

respond to not only your mails,but any such motivated mails in future...

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> parag_m_g <parag_m_g

>

> Wednesday, 6 February, 2008 3:10:51 PM

> Pre & Extra marital relations...Eagerly await

comments & analysis

>

> Dear all Members,

> I received a personal mail from Shri Yogesh rao Lajmi. So I sent

> some cases. As proposed by Tinwin, I also sent one Chart to analyse.

>

> Since I didnt receive any response to any of my mails, I wish to

> put forth same Chart here for Veterans & all members to study &

> comment. This is a reverse example, Though sublord of 5th house Rahu

> is significator of 7,8th & 11th house, nothing happened as person

> claims. Or am I making mistake in calling Rahu as significator of

> 7,8th & 11th house? Here are the details:---

> DoB 30th June 1971

> ToB 0305 am i.e. 29th night & dawn of 30th

> Place Dombivli in Thane District, a suburb of Mumbai

>

> @gro ups.com, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends

> >

> > In my opinion Mr. Sujatkaramji is right. Just giving references

> > confuse new students like me. And expecting everybody to choose the

> > correct one is asking a bit too much.

> >

> > I appriciate Mr. Tin Win ji for his vast knowledge and hard work he

> > does for promotion of Astrology. He is a living encyclopeadia, I

> > accept. My proposal to all members is, " Why not form a research team

> > under able guidance of Mr.Tin Winji ? " He can choose the topic for

> > research, members to help him etc. Commitee of stalwarts like Lajmi

> > ji, Raichur ji, Tin Winji, Gondhalekar ji and others may be formed to

> > finalise the methodology of research. Each member can contribute to

> > the database alongwith (research) working as suggested by the

> > commitee which may be consolidated and summerized by Mr.Tin Winji.

> >

> > The research carried out alongwith results shall then be posted on

> > the forum. Members of forum can express their views/opinions and

> > finally a commitee/jury of learned members mentioned above can

> > express their approval or otherwise. Thus we can eliminate many

> > options and endorse the right one thus clearing the muddy water.

> >

> > I am ready to assist in this noble cause and hereby offer my services

> > to Mr.Tin Winji....of course, if this proposal is acceptabble to him

> > and all other members.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sujatkaram ji,

> > >

> > > That is why references are given to read Gurui KSK's view and 4

> > step

> > > view, if you want to know. Which one is true is open to imperical

> > > research.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Tinwinji,

> > > > sir,

> > > > There are views, views and views and in most cases they

> > contradict

> > > > one another. Someone has jocularly said that we agree on only one

> > > > point viz. Disagreement. When there is only one truth why

> > different

> > > > views should keep on floating ? I think this might be the

> > > situation

> > > > which our revered Guruji referred to as muddy water.And therefore

> > > he

> > > > gave us a wholesome complete system which has only one rule for

> > > > prediction of each aspect of life.Are we going to contaminate

> > > the

> > > > waters again?

> > > > It is not correct, in my opinion, to expect each and every

> > student

> > > to

> > > > study all the views and arrive at correct conclusion. The

> > > veterans,

> > > > researchers and scholors have to do this and put forth a single

> > > view

> > > > that comes closest to the truth, and that view will stand good

> > > until

> > > > it is proved wrong.This happens in science.

> > > > regards,

> > > > sujat.-- In @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sujatkaram,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Why don't you read KP Reader VI page 145-147, if you want to

> > > > > properly understand Guruji KSK's teaching in this regard.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. The 4 Step view in this regard can be found in the 4 Step

> > > note

> > > > in

> > > > > the file section of this group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > The latest about retro. planets I came across is that a

> > retro.

> > > > > planet,

> > > > > > in horaty, does give results; a planet in the star of a

> > > > retro.planet

> > > > > > will not give results only as long as the star planet is

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > but

> > > > > > will give results after it begins to move direct.Is it

> > correct?

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > sujatkaram

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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February 10, 2008

I thought somebody would erect a Natal chart from the ToB, Place of

Birth & DoB given by me & would shed some light. I was expecting

somebody from this forum would say " Yes Parag you are right, 5th

Sublord, Rahu is significator of 7,8th & 11th; but it is very weak

significator; so its not sufficient to promise Pre or Extra Marital

relations " or something like that.

I wanted to know whether the person/querrist lied about pre & extra

marital life or was I wrong in understanding 5th sublord as

significator of 7th, 8th & 11th house!

Since I didnt receive any reply from Yogesh to this specific case,

I posted the same details here. But instead of

studying/analysing/commenting(by anybody) on this chart, I was shocked

to see Pandeyji's posting alleging that I was doing " Blame game " ,

earlier it was TW alleging that I was challenging KP System & now both

Yogesh & Pandeyji.

I just dont understand what wrong I have done?

If ToB, PoB & DoB were not sufficient details, Why didnt Yogesh

reply that he was not able to plot the chart with given details & he

needed readymade Natal chart to comment? How would I come to know that

he needed more details? I kept on waiting for his reply.

Now I am waiting for Pandeyji's reply. He requested me personal

mail, & didnt even shown courtesy to write back that he received my

mail or not?

How can a person come to know? whats going on? So when I post

message that I didnt receive reply, I am called as doing blame game,

challenging KP system blah blah blah.

It is really right when Eminent Astrologers like Krishnamurthy

remarked that Science of Astrology has a Curse!

Parag

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1